2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's long list of racist comments should disqualify her from the Democratic nomination
Sometimes it seems Hillary is trying to out-Trump Trump over who can be more politically incorrect.
A racial joke about Indian Americans working at gas stations. Very funny?
Super-Predators. Got to bring them to heel.
Casual racist comment toward Native Americans: She can handle men who get "off the reservation". So very casual it's clearly the way she thinks, it runs very deep.
Calling undocumented people "illegal". Throws in sterotypes of foreigners hanging out on the corner waiting to do "yard work" etc. These comments are Widely understood to be offensive toward Latinos. Hillary has since apologized and promised to stop talking like this.
Speaking of Iraqi Arabs as if they are children who need to learn we're only doing them a favor.
Joining in with a scripted racial joke about Colored People Time
Is there any race or ethnic group Hillary Clinton hasn't had to apologize to? Somebody should make a checklist on which of these comments she has already apologized for and which ones we are still waiting for an apology.
This is garbage. Not at all presidential. This list is just another reason Hillary Clinton ought to be disqualified from the Democratic nomination.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Apparently they can take a joke.
No wonder comedians dont perform at colleges anymore, the pc police have squashed free speech through microaggressions. I'll stick with the communities of color who OVERWHELMINGLY back her candidacy.
still_one
(92,219 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)"Only rightwingers would defend her racism." None of the ethnic groups implied in those jokes thought they were racist.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)OBVIOUSLY thinks these minorities that are supporting her in huge numbers are just too freeking stupid to know better. YOU know better than they and should all bow down to YOUR superior wisdom. That about right?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Come to think of it, that should have its own forum.
atomingai
(71 posts)used against their beloved Obama during the 2008 primary.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And she's not racially challenged like another person in the race either. She's not out there calling groups of people racist or pretending like one group of people doesn't know what it's like to be poor. Don't go there.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)"...doesn't know what it's like to be poor."
right. she leaves that up to her surrogates and paid trolls
No Clinton surrogate has ever said anything this ridiculous http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ghetto_us_56dce712e4b03a405679062b
cali
(114,904 posts)she, Bill and many of her surrogates said far, far, far worse?
TimPlo
(443 posts)Who lack in simple understanding of simple words.
From you article main point "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said white people dont understand what its like to be poor and live in the ghetto, in response to a question about the candidates racial blind spots"
And Sanders was right. Let us look at what the word ghetto means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
https://www.google.com/search?q=ghetto&oq=ghetto&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.568j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ghetto
ghet·to
ˈɡedō/
noun
1.
a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
verb
1.
put in or restrict to an isolated or segregated area or group.
Now as living in a place the word must be a noun and we see that it means "a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups." I know some racist people think that Whites are a minority and live under the thumbs of those ruthless black people. I see clips of Fox news claiming this all the time.
So going by my assumption that you think whites are a minority. because you posted a link to a article trying to claim Sanders was wrong in saying Whites don't know what being in a ghetto means, I assume you agree with Fox News and think Whites are a minority race in America. Pleas prove me wrong and admit Sanders was right that White Americans have no clue what living in a ghetto means, as it is impossible for a White person to be a minority.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)is still bullshit. And many duers who support Hillary have flat out called him a racist.
Neither are racists. Neither are racially challenged. Neither enable racists.
not to argue with you about bullshit, but
for practical purposes
classism and racism are the same thing.
and they are equally represented in people like
Hillary Clinton and all of her friends.
dont bullshit me.
Do I need to repeat the stories about Hillary's local buddy who
opened an upscale market with primarily mexican workers (an interesting choice)
and yelled at them, asking them incredibly rudely if they "spoke English"
and so much worse.
And that is her closest bestie in this town.
Sorry to generalize, but it is how those people roll.
hundreds of millions of dollars do not make you nice.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)He's racially challenged no doubt
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)How nice to know.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)At least send to a sensitivity class.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Tip of the iceberg, right here:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride
Some of those views are, frankly, sick. That's why even the candidate himself disavows them.
cali
(114,904 posts)Neither Hillary or Bernie are bigots.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I also found his views towards women, young girls and children in his essays patriarchal, backward and frankly, a bit twisted.
Since he has since disavowed them, I'd say he's probably closer to my opinion WRT them than yours.
14. Oh bullshit. His piece, ill written as it was, wasn't sexist.
View profile
Neither Hillary or Bernie are bigots.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)the outcome of the final round of primaries, Cheese Sandwich? Do you think these videos and your frequent posts of the Clintons standing with the Trumps at a wedding are going to convince anyone to vote in any way other than the way they intend?
It's puzzling to me. You're investing what is obviously a lot of work in posting all this stuff. Some of it gets hidden by juries, while other posts stay visible. But, none of them will affect even a single vote in the remaining primaries. This is DU. Look at the number of views your posts receive. A count shows up for each of your original posts. That's the total of people who see what you post.
Most have already voted or already know how they will vote. You're not influencing anyone, really. It seems like a waste of time to me, but it's your decision, of course.
FSogol
(45,490 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's sad.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Very telling
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)They are astronomical. She reaches out to black voters and listens to them. Clinton is no racist.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)......others tend to disagree with your assessment .
MADem
(135,425 posts)Dissent for the sake of dissent?
Maybe there's some sort of payoff, psychic or what-have-you. But changing hearts or minds? I don't think so. We're past that point.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I thought the purpose was to express our emotions.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)A lot of discussions here are meta discussions. Maybe even most. There aren't any rules against meta discussions. There is a rule against disruptive meta original posts, which can be locked by hosts.
The purpose of DU is to provide a place for political discussion from a Democratic or liberal perspective. Emotions? Sure, you can express those here if you wish. I don't care what you post, to tell you the truth, but I reserve the privilege of telling you what I think about what you post. That's what I've done here.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)thanks for the tips
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Tick tock, tick tock...
Skinner has promised an end to this RF'ing nonsense - we're down to DAYS at this point.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)There will be changes here. I hope they lead to a more productive sort of discussion that advances progressive goals. We'll see, once they're in place.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Hillary Clinton is not a racist. Those quotes don't prove racism. I thought it was disgusting to insinuate that Bernie is racist.
This is just as bad.
Splinter Cell
(703 posts)Which may be even WORSE. Convenience racism.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)that were commonly used phrases that originated as racist comments, but probably weren't meant that way any more by people who didn't stop and consider the origin of what they were saying. Things we all used to say that now we are trying to stop saying but sometimes they still slip out.
And the skit with DiBlasio was not intended to be racist. He would never participate or originate a racist post. It was a joke and he was joking about himself.
Yes, Hillary is apologizing today for some of the things she said years ago, but back then she didn't need to apologize. She wasn't the only one saying things like that. It was the way society was.
I agree with Cali, this is not right. I don't believe Hillary is racist.
still_one
(92,219 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You should stop promoting it as such. And you continuing to equate Clinton to Trump is on you.
This last minute gasp of desperation using race on your part all while promoting Trump as her equal is disgusting.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A willingness to openly talk about race issues for decades while learning the whole time?
I don't kid myself in thinking she simply gets it. I do know she has been learning her whole career and isn't scared to listen to or talk to anyone.
If the AA community was one and done like Sanders supporters they would have no one. Perfection doesn't exist.
And to be perfectly clear, some of this is taken out of context. Pure deception and using race to divide. That is the issue we should be having with the op on a progressive board. They are using deception with respect to race in order to divide progressives.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You should have no concerns about that.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)For example Michelle Alexander has said
And Ta-Nahesi Coates has said
Ben Jealous has said
Anybody who remembers the 80s and 90s will remember the racial undertones of the tough on crime political language that was used to justify all the racist policing and incarceration.
In conclusion that is why super-predator language is racist.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... to any ethnicity.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)e.g.,
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it ever so much more rapidly. If cluelessness were crude oil, your scalp would be crawling with caribou.
You are a thick-headed trog. I have seen skeet with more sense than you have. You are a few bricks short of a full load, a few cards short of a full deck, a few bytes short of a full core dump, and a few chromosomes short of a full human. Worse than that, you top-post. God created houseflies, cockroaches, maggots, mosquitos, fleas, ticks, slugs, leeches, and intestinal parasites, then he lowered his standards and made you. I take it back; God didn't make you. You are Satan's spawn. You are Evil beyond comprehension, half-living in the slough of despair. You are the entropy which will claim us all. You are a green-nostriled, crossed eyed, hairy-livered, goisher kopf, inbred trout-defiler. You make Ebola look good.
source
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I LOL'd
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Another dog whissle was her infamous "hard working whites" comments (implying that nom-whites are lazy)
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)That was bad.
She's not a racist.
She is someone who will do or say anything for political expediency.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)imari362
(311 posts)I've never heard and apology....can you link to those "amends"?
I am not talking about her supporting him in the GE or being his SOS, all that was part of her plan for this run for President.
I want to see her apology to President Obama and the entire Black community.
P.S. Just because the word "ghetto" is not "pc" anymore, doesn't mean that it's still not a "ghetto, traditionally".....an 74 yr old White man uses an outdated word, "he's putting down Blacks".....a White woman in her 60's uses an outdated word "illegals" and "so what".
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)imari362
(311 posts)No "amends" from Hillary, just her supporters being her supporters
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Particularly the de Blasio one, which A-As laughed at and eyerolled at the Sanders camp poutraged?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)coming from the Bernie supporters. The desperation is really getting a very stinky smell.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=WukNRVqp5Z0
"If that is your position then I will talk only to white people" - Hillary Clinton
moriah
(8,311 posts)Couldn't help myself.
And hey, I believe in recycling!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Every day.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Just look the other way.
Some of us will continue challenging the prejudice though.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You seem to think disagreeing with Israeli government policies amounts to antisemitism. And you're wrong.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)To attack Jews is anti-Semitism, but an outright attack on the State of Israel is also anti-Semitism, Pope Francis
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)isn't racist.
Sanders isn't racist
HRC is not racist.
oh wait , Donald tRump IS racist.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)"To argue that hostility to Israel and hostility to Jews are one and the same thing is to conflate the Jewish state with the Jewish people. In fact, Israel is one thing, Jewry another. Accordingly, anti-Zionism is one thing, anti-Semitism another. They are separate. To say they are separate is not to say that they are never connected. But they are independent variables that can be connected in different ways."-Brian Klug
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)f NAFTA
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)as a response to crime that followed from unemployment and poverty related to NAFTA. Noam Chomsky used to do a whole riff on how NAFTA and the 1994 crime bill were two closely related pieces of law. One created unemployment and crime, and the other one to lock 'em up.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)You're just going to throw everything but the kitchen sink into these threads?
I realize your are experiencing deep and unsettling angst but desperation is never attractive.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)It reeks of desperation, but at the same time, I can smell a slight tinge of defeat.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)that's a designation of status with regard to immigration or lawful presence, not race or ethnicity.
No one is "undocumented" unless they were born somewhere that keeps absolutely no records of birth, education, means of official identification, tax records etc.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)Put her where she is at now....
AHEAD
Apparently they are missing the racism that you berners seem to see so clearly.
Now I understand you guys have to get this out of your system before June 16th but come on ............
betsuni
(25,541 posts)By sailors in the Ocean Sea
Which had never before been seen, and never heard about ...
A mountain of grated cheese
Is seen standing alone in the middle of the plain,
A kettle has been brought to the summit ...
A river of milk gushes forth from a cave
And goes flowing through the town
Its embankments are made of ricotta ...
The king of the place is called Bugalosso,
They have made him king because he is the laziest,
And from his arse manna comes forth
And when he spits, out come marzipans,
Instead of lice, he has fish in his head.
Who wants to travel there, I shall tell him the way:
Go embark at the port of the simpleton,
And then navigate through the sea of lies,
Whoever arrives is king over every dolt.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)because your post smells like shit and no one really buys it.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)and I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. As someone of mixed heritage, I've gotten it from all t sides during my lifetime, and while I realize that older Americans differ in what they find acceptable relative to younger Amerocans, I think we all can take some measure of satisfaction in that the needle has moved towards equality for all during the past 50 years. It's not perfect, nor is the struggle for equality over, but I think it devalues the sacrifices made by others to say nothing has changed.
While I disagree with HRC on economic and foreign policy in fundamental and perhaps irreconcilable ways, I don't think she's a racist. She may have some baggage that she came into the world with given the rank and privilege of her birth, but I believe she's tried to walk the righteous path WRT racial equality. Nobody is perfect, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on this issue.
JMHO.
runaway hero
(835 posts)Her supporters are the Obama coalition and that gets her into the white house. Come on.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Every little bit helps!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Bernie Would never be friends w/ anyone like Hillary's 2008 Racist friend & fundraiser:
This is Who Hillary Was Friends w/ During Her 2008 Campaign:
The New York Times
May 20, 2007 Sunday
Clinton Accepts Aid From a Divisive Figure
BYLINE: By PATRICK HEALY; Katharine Q. Seelye and Katie Zezima contributed reporting from New Hampshire.
DATELINE: NEW ORLEANS, May 19
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, who has cast herself as an ally of African-Americans in rebuilding this city, this weekend accepted fund-raising assistance from a family friend who is controversial with many black and white victims of Hurricane Katrina.
The friend, Sheriff Harry Lee of Jefferson Parish, has been close to former President Bill Clinton for many years, and he is popular among some Democrats here. But Sheriff Lee has a long history of making divisive and derogatory remarks, sometimes aimed at residents of neighboring New Orleans, which is predominantly black, and his relationship with many black political leaders is turbulent.
Sheriff Lee drew notoriety shortly after the hurricane when some of his deputies helped prevent hurricane evacuees, most of them black, from crossing the Crescent City Connection bridge into Jefferson Parish. Sheriff Lee defended the move, saying his office had ''a duty to protect our people.''
Sheriff Lee was a host committee member for a fund-raiser here Friday night for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign. The event, which the senator attended, was closed to the news media. A Clinton campaign spokeswoman declined to comment on Mrs. Clinton's views of Sheriff Lee's actions in 2005 or on his fund-raising support.
Phone messages left for Sheriff Lee were not returned. A Clinton adviser declined to discuss his role, citing the personal nature of his relationship with both Clintons.
Here are some shocking older posts on DU about this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5079848
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5187587
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Harry Lee hosted a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in May. Hillary Clinton was in attendance at the fundraiser.
Both Clintons are longtime friends of Sheriff Lee.
Lee passed away in October of last year. At his funeral, a letter from Bill Clinton commemorating Lee was read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commenc ...
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/10/local_and_s ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lee
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I hope she's repudiated him even if he is beyond the grave.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Clinton's Huge Donor & Univision Owner, Saban, Wants Scrutiny of Muslims
http://forward.com/opinion/national/325490/does-hillary-clinton-have-a-haim-saban-problem/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/19/top-clinton-donor-calls-for-increased-scrutiny-of-muslims/
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Hillary will be the nominee. These types of posts only serve to cause divisions.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Pretty sure this would at least get you sent to sensitivity training at most professional workplaces.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)I don't think it's going to work like you think it will.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)brooklynite
(94,599 posts)XRubicon
(2,212 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Seriously, just because Clinton is the presumptive nominee, it doesn't mean that some of us think that the TPP is the "gold standard" of trade deals.
It doesn't mean that some of us don't think Clinton will start more wars than Sanders would have.
It doesn't mean that some of us don't think her policy half-measures have any more chance of getting passed by republicans than Sanders better policies.
It doesn't mean that some of us trust her to have the interests of the majority of the American people at heart.(most of our politicians don't)
It doesn't mean that some of us don't think she will try to get the republicans to agree to a "Grand Bargain" (in fact I think the only thing that will stop it is if the goppers are as sexist as they are racist)
I could keep going, but the point is some of us don't like Clinton's politics and it has nothing to do with Sanders, and everything to do with Clinton's horrible choices.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)and Bill did. They would have crucified him. But for them I heard not a peep.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)right through the Southern primary's with the claims of Bernie's racism and that of his supporters being ratcheted up accordingly
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)and this kind of garbage will not be allowed.....YEAH!
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)Get it all out. 5 days.
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