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Just watched the news. I saw Hillary attacking Donald Trump. I saw Bernie Sanders attacking Hillary. (Original Post) Renew Deal May 2016 OP
You watched the news, presumably on television? arcane1 May 2016 #1
Certainly not the Democratic party or its nominee... comradebillyboy May 2016 #2
You do not listen! oldandhappy May 2016 #11
If he does that then I will comradebillyboy May 2016 #66
the american people. which side are you on? wendylaroux May 2016 #3
He knows what his current challenge is. elleng May 2016 #4
Yup. He has dug in. He gets not a bit of consideration. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #5
America's side! NWCorona May 2016 #6
What did he say? cali May 2016 #7
He called Hillary evil Renew Deal May 2016 #10
No. He used a phrase frequently used in politics cali May 2016 #16
He fooled no one. Games, and so obvious at that? seabeyond May 2016 #20
He said "two evils" Renew Deal May 2016 #24
Here's the full context thesquanderer May 2016 #52
So he called her evil, but he didn't mean it? Renew Deal May 2016 #55
I'll try again thesquanderer May 2016 #62
By your thinking (!) He also called her Lesser and Two elehhhhna May 2016 #34
Nope. That's just you Renew Deal May 2016 #39
Each and every day he says Trump will not be president. oldandhappy May 2016 #14
While he actively works at destroying Clinton. Then, it is her fault for not getting his supporters seabeyond May 2016 #21
Clinton is the most vetted candidate evah timmymoff May 2016 #27
Firstly, Sanders will be showing us what he has got. That will work for Clinton. seabeyond May 2016 #31
Should be an interesting election cycle timmymoff May 2016 #41
So vetted she's under investigation. Currently. elehhhhna May 2016 #37
He will support if that is how it happens. oldandhappy May 2016 #8
Sanders called Trump a pathological liar. Ash_F May 2016 #9
While Sec. Clinton was still likely focus testing what words to describe Trump with KeepItReal May 2016 #36
She thinks she can win with Republican voters not happy with Trump. Sad for us. B Calm May 2016 #12
Aren't candidates supposed to get more people to vote for them? Renew Deal May 2016 #18
Not by going further to the right. If you want a real Republican vote Republican. B Calm May 2016 #30
When do you believe Hillary went further to the right since she locked up the nomination Renew Deal May 2016 #57
Probably after the Koch endorsement. . B Calm May 2016 #67
Good question. samsingh May 2016 #13
Sanders attacks Trump in every speech, every rally, every day. oldandhappy May 2016 #17
i saw him on a recent interview with stephanopolous. In the interview - Bernie said both trump and samsingh May 2016 #28
Neither do we timmymoff May 2016 #23
let me explain the definition of extortion. samsingh May 2016 #32
Anyone voting for hillary is voting for a conservative timmymoff May 2016 #38
what are bernie's policies and how is he going to deliver? samsingh May 2016 #49
If you do not know these by now that explains how Hillary has done so well timmymoff May 2016 #50
thanks for the nonanswer. If you knew them you would have typed some. samsingh May 2016 #56
My plans to change it are in full force.. timmymoff May 2016 #58
like i've said: there is no plan to deliver on any promises. samsingh May 2016 #59
I like no plan better than hillary's plan timmymoff May 2016 #60
I also hate being extorted. For example, stoking fear of a Trump Supreme Court to get votes n/t arcane1 May 2016 #51
that's a fact - it's what's used to determine who to vote for. samsingh May 2016 #54
He has never run a dirty campaign......until now. Thinkingabout May 2016 #15
You will get what you want! Inhale. oldandhappy May 2016 #19
The side of the PEOPLE. Skwmom May 2016 #22
If he wants to stay in the race to the end, that's OK. I do wish he'd tone down his remarks Arkansas Granny May 2016 #25
What remarks? Tell us what he says that is so damaging. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #48
That's because Bernie is still competing with Hillary in upcoming primaries One Black Sheep May 2016 #26
That news station chose the quotes. It could have shown Sanders criticizing Trump. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #29
evil? MFM008 May 2016 #33
It's going to be a long two weeks for Bernie BeyondGeography May 2016 #35
Bernie is for Bernie thelordofhell May 2016 #40
Bernie has always been for the People while the Clintons are for amassing huge wealth rhett o rick May 2016 #44
He is on the side of the People not the Wealthy 1% like Hillary. Not surprised you had to rhett o rick May 2016 #42
Somehow I don't see how Demsrule86 May 2016 #45
Let me say it slowly. Bernie has a better chance of defeating Trump than Hillary with her baggage. rhett o rick May 2016 #46
Do you have a link to Hillary attacking Bernie in the last two months? Renew Deal May 2016 #53
I think it is probably Trump's side based on Sanders behavior. Demsrule86 May 2016 #43
The nominating process is still in progress, not the general election. AtomicKitten May 2016 #47
We the People. 99Forever May 2016 #61
Bernie's got quite the racket going. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #63
That is accurate Cosmocat May 2016 #68
Two Face and The Joker never got along either. Android3.14 May 2016 #64
The side that realizes we're still in the primaries. Further questions? DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #65

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
11. You do not listen!
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

He attacks Trump every single day in his rally speeches. He is strong and consistent. And he will be for clinton.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
4. He knows what his current challenge is.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

We know DAMN well which side he's on, if we pay attention with clear eyes and ears.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. No. He used a phrase frequently used in politics
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

Lesser of two evils. You're being a wee bit silly.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
52. Here's the full context
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016
SANDERS: We need a campaign, an election coming up, which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils.

I want the American people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of social justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice. That is the campaign we are running and that's why we are getting the support we are.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Is that how you would describe Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump, the lesser of two evils?

SANDERS: Well, if you look at -- no, I wouldn't describe it, but that's what the American people are saying. If you look at the favorability ratings of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, both of them have very, very high unfavorables. You're not going to disagree with me on that...

STEPHANOPOULOS: There's no question about that.


If you have two candidates with very high unfavorables, then you have a situation where many people are voting for, not who they like most, but who they dislike least, the less bad of two undesirable options, aka lesser of two evils. So (a) it is a reference to what many are saying, not Bernie's personal characterization, and (b) it is an aphorism where "evil" is used in the sense of "bad choice" not in the sense of someone having an evil character. So no, in no sense at all did he call Hillary evil.

Renew Deal

(81,863 posts)
55. So he called her evil, but he didn't mean it?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

I can't wait for the Trump ads featuring Bernie saying Hillary is unqualified and evil.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
62. I'll try again
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

He did not call her evil. TWO ways.

1. He was talking about how others have characterized the Trump/Clinton choice as the lesser of two evils.

2. And even then, in the context of that idiom, the word "evil" is used rhetorically. It means something you don't want. It does not mean literally Satanic. Idioms are not literal. In most cases, people are not without limbs if they pay an arm and a leg for something, and rarely are literally barking up wrong trees, for example. To declare something or someone the lesser of two evils does not mean you think either option is literally evil, but rather merely an unsatisfactory option. It's a figure of speech.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
34. By your thinking (!) He also called her Lesser and Two
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

Which us it Bernie? ? ? Can't be lesser and two at the same time!!1!!1

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. While he actively works at destroying Clinton. Then, it is her fault for not getting his supporters
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

What bullshit.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
27. Clinton is the most vetted candidate evah
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

how could someone like sanders harm her corporate majesty? The vetting may not have been complete?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. Firstly, Sanders will be showing us what he has got. That will work for Clinton.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

Just show the nation more of who Sanders is.

Secondly, Clinton will continue running her campaign at Trump. Showing us presidential.

I see Sanders is making the move both inside and out of the convention. The nation won't be thrilled with that either. Lighting things on fire generally causes more problems than not. But, this is where Sanders continues to misstep.


 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
41. Should be an interesting election cycle
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

with the one who inspires few being our headliner. Unless of course now McAuliffe sings on the Clinton foundation. Yet another investigation, should fare well for her corporate majesty.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
8. He will support if that is how it happens.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

The under person always attacks up. clinton knows this. And since you have not watched and do not know, Senator Sanders attacks Trump in every single speech he makes and it is a lot of sentences. I watch every day. He has been consistent every day in attacking Trump.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
9. Sanders called Trump a pathological liar.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

Clinton has not shown the guts to be as scathing, and has largely couched her words.

Renew Deal

(81,863 posts)
57. When do you believe Hillary went further to the right since she locked up the nomination
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

On March 15th?

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
13. Good question.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

But look at some Bernie supporter posts - some supporters say they will not vote Democratic if Bernie is not the nominee.

I for one do not like to be extorted.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
17. Sanders attacks Trump in every speech, every rally, every day.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

I watch the live streams. I understand you do not get this on MSM, but it is happening. Sanders is very against Trump.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
28. i saw him on a recent interview with stephanopolous. In the interview - Bernie said both trump and
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

Hillary were unacceptable to the public. Stephanopolous actually asked him if he was saying that Hillary was no better than trump? Bernie hesitated and THEN said no, Hillary was better.

Really. Is that party solidarity? I wonder what would happen if Hillary really let loose on Bernie? Would that be acceptable to his supporters?

I used to be one - no longer - mostly because of his negativity towards Hillary.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
32. let me explain the definition of extortion.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

recent polls show 90% of Hillary supporters will support Bernie over trump.

about 60% of Bernie supporters way they would vote Hillary over trump.

In any rational sense, anyone voting for trump could not be a liberal.

That is the definition of extortion.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
38. Anyone voting for hillary is voting for a conservative
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

you didn't give a definition of extortion at all. Here's mine.. foisting a flawed candidate with corporate media, the establishment, big money and lobbyist's all pulling for a candidate to keep business as usual. The extortion part is the role trump is playing to aid Hillary, we get a choice of a conservative nut job or a slightly less conservative.. that's extortion, but enjoy, as of now you can count me in the 40% you didn't mention but is there in your post. Don't you just love math? It's the math. Thank goodness I have until November to decide for who or if I will vote.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
49. what are bernie's policies and how is he going to deliver?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

as far as I can tell, he talks and talks but has no way to deliver on anything he's promising.

Has he been particularly effective in office? What are his achievements?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
50. If you do not know these by now that explains how Hillary has done so well
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

I will not do your homework for you. If you haven't the intellectual curiosity that's on you.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
56. thanks for the nonanswer. If you knew them you would have typed some.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

there are only complaints about the system WITH NO plan to change it.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
58. My plans to change it are in full force..
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

as in taking over a local democratic party, and not voting for more of the same. You earned your non answer with your lack of curiosity. Be accountable is all that is asked.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
60. I like no plan better than hillary's plan
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

to negotiate with those she calls her enemies one day, then courts their mega donors the next day. If that's what you are into, duplicity, then by all means, proceed.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. I also hate being extorted. For example, stoking fear of a Trump Supreme Court to get votes n/t
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. He has never run a dirty campaign......until now.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:20 PM
May 2016

It will not turn voters to him nor will it bring the SD's to him. He has been running around 50%, this may give him 350 more delegates, not enough to get half of the pledged delegates. He is appearing angry, WE the people have spoken by three million votes, we want our voice heard.

Arkansas Granny

(31,519 posts)
25. If he wants to stay in the race to the end, that's OK. I do wish he'd tone down his remarks
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

about Hillary. He has to know that the negativity won't help him in the end.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
26. That's because Bernie is still competing with Hillary in upcoming primaries
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

Just because Hillary has already called it, does not mean Bernie has to follow suit. Hillary is not a Queen, after all, despite what some may think.

Hillary is fair game in the election, duh. That is how politics works. Pretty basic really. If she cannot stand the heat, then she should drop from the upcoming primaries.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
35. It's going to be a long two weeks for Bernie
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

And those attack lines will cause him more trouble than they're worth. Hopefully, he figures it out.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
40. Bernie is for Bernie
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

Always has been, always will be.
That's why his fellow congresspeople have trouble endorsing him.
That's why he's been an Independent and will go back to being an Independent.

Bernie is for Bernie

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. Bernie has always been for the People while the Clintons are for amassing huge wealth
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

and power. Some of her fans says she worked hard for the $150,000,000 that was amassed over a very short period of time when the corporations decided she was their candidate. While she was working hard to amass hundreds of millions, Bernie was working for the People.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
46. Let me say it slowly. Bernie has a better chance of defeating Trump than Hillary with her baggage.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

So those of us that really want to keep Trump out are continuing to fight for the nomination. We are in the 8th inning and not about to go home.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
43. I think it is probably Trump's side based on Sanders behavior.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

Scorched earth...ah well pretty soon people will tune it out...as they do when bitter people go on and on.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
47. The nominating process is still in progress, not the general election.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

And Bernie is on the side of the 99%.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
63. Bernie's got quite the racket going.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:26 PM
May 2016

He attacks Clinton while she's simultaneously fending off attacks from Republicans.

He uses language clearly designed to encourage his supporters to withhold their support for her as the nominee.

And then he gets to act as though her weakness in GE polls - which is a function of what he's doing in the first two steps - is a valid reason for overturning the will of the voters.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
68. That is accurate
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

and unfortunate.

But, it is politics, and this is the "game" we are watching.

I hate that she is being torn apart from both left and right, and a textbook meglomaniac gets two months to cull his party's obedient pods and chip at the "middle."

But, again ... It is what it is.

Just have to hope, against all hope, that his country is not THAT fucking stupid to elect Trump as POTUS.

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