2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Sanders put half as much energy into unseating repubs as he does into unseating elected democrats
where would we be right now? There are so many districts around the US where house republicans are running unopposed. Sanders now has the formula for attracting conservative "working class" whites, why doesn't he devote his energy into recruiting and funding democrats to run in those districts? Instead he's making it all about him and his revenge mission against DWS. I have a hard time respecting his approach because it doesn't get us any closer to achieving our shared goals.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It wouldn't be a damn issue, now would it?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Ridiculous is more like it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Talks about where Hillary is at with regards to progressives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie-massa-kennedy/your-gleeful-liberal-takedown-hillary-clinton-sexism_b_9522270.html
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)She is closer to Republicans than Liberals.,
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/hillary-clintons-betrayal-of-the-american-left.html
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)One of the most liberal Senators when she was in office
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton_VoteMatch.htm
Perogie
(687 posts)You provide a link to things Hilliary has said not done.
She says a lot of things but actually votes more right.
Here are some of her votes
Secure Fence Act (Just like a Republican)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HR 6061 - Secure Fence Act of 2006. The bill passed on September 29, 2006, by a vote of 80-19. The bill authorized the construction of 700 miles of additional fencing along the United States-Mexico border. The Democratic Party split on the vote.
Iraq War (Not very liberal)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HJ Res 114 - Use of Military Force Against Iraq. The resolution passed on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23. The resolution authorized the use of the United States military against Iraq. The Democratic Party split on the vote.
Patriot Act (She voted to take away your privacy)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HR 3162 - USA Patriot Act of 2001. The bill passed on October 25, 2001, by a vote of 98-1. The bill allowed law enforcement more authority in searching homes, tapping phone lines and tracking internet information while searching for suspected terrorists.
So you can post all the things she says, but I'll look at what she ACTUALLY does.
fried eggs
(910 posts)it's a shame that you and Sanders don't understand what that could mean for us.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's their job to get votes. If they fail in that, then the problem lies with them, not a Senator from Vermont.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)You can blame me and other Sanders' supporters all you want (And we know you will) but that's not going to change anything. As for the "damage" The Donald may do, we live here too and will be subject to it also. That "Fear of The Donald" will not motivate me to cast a vote for Sec Clinton. Only she can do that and clearly she's not going to do anything to get my vote. Things like being honest, having good judgement and not going to war to prove how tough she is. Don't like it? Tough toe nails.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Saying ALL elected Democrats are republicans?? Really??
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timmymoff
(1,947 posts)republicans she said she could work with we would really have something, instead we have her vast record of losses galore.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That must be frustrating.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)With Trump and Clinton neck in neck and Sanders beating Trump...not vetted a big red herring so don't go there.
Now that would have really been swell. As it stands and it is a disgrace, he's the best Democrat in the race. The Queen' s Coronation isn't a winning event with the Turd Way. Never was. Just a figment of political privilege.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He is actually a regressive. An effective one too.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)op about being "mesmorized" by Clinton. Now calling the most progressive member of the Senate a fake progressive.
You are painfully transparent
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He is an odd kind of progressive if you look at the big picture.
cali
(114,904 posts)I've met with him several times. I think I know far more than YOU about his politics. And Vermont is the most progressive state in the union.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)She had been rewarded for abject failure by keeping her job. As Chair of the Democratic NATIONAL Committee.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)No fight for 15? The fucking nerve!!!
cali
(114,904 posts)to do with raising the minimum wage in the state he or she represents, beyond expressing an opinion? And Vermont's minimum wage is the third highest. Where do you live? What's the minimum wage there?
And the fight for fifteen is about raising the minimum wage to that level over a number of year.
I really don't have the patience to educate you.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I am glad you said it though! So he suggests starting at like say $12.00 and going up from there?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)is not a shared goal.
fried eggs
(910 posts)regarding payday loans.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)she'll give them influence.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)but you don't want to know, got it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)And losing Governors too? Local Dems elections?
Yes, praise DWS for destroying the Democratic Party & for hurting the poor & middle class.
We know where you stand.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I do not even like her, but there is a process called VOTING. This is a democracy. Sanders said if he was president he would use his power to remove her as chair. Those are actions of a communist dictator.
jillan
(39,451 posts)American.
Don't like how we do things in this country? Sorry.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The Party Chairperson serves at the pleasure of an incumbent President. Pres. Obama or any newly elected Democratic President can fire her at will.
Perhaps Correct The Record should do better research before distributing the talking points to y'all.
cali
(114,904 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Brock must be pulling his hair out at the lack of available talent.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The trolls keep recycling the same feeble talking points, and get horribly stuck when forced to deviate from the script.
fried eggs
(910 posts)Re-read the subject line. I don't care one way or another about DWS, I'm just saying that if he put half the effort he puts into trying to primary democrats (like President Obama?! WTF?!) into challenging republican seats, we'd be a lot better off. You guys are so caught up in personalities that you can't see the bigger picture. You see your actions as punishing the establishment but don't seem to realize that you're just harming us (the 99%). If the Supreme Court openings are filled by Trump, how will that help progressive causes?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...ones in the Democratic Party.
-none
(1,884 posts)The Democratic party has been infiltrated and taken over by the opposition.
It is time to take it back.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DWS did lose the nomination for Sanders, he lost it by having an unrealistic agenda and no as people got to know him they did not support him.
This thinking and planning resulted in Landrieu getting defeated in Louisiana and wad replaced by a TP RW nut. How much is the replacement going to help progressive ideas. It doesn't. I have not been one to donate to out of state candidates but I am going to make an exception on this one.
randr
(12,412 posts)She is responsible for the Republican majority in the Senate and in the majority of States Governors and States Houses.
Her record in any world other than the DNC would have had her our on her ass long ago.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And that's Sen Sanders' and his supporters fault, too? I thought Pay Day Debbie was in charge of that. You know, the head of the DNC?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)In fact, she has endorsed those incumbent Rrpublicans, and called them her friends.
Pay Day Debbie's record as DNC chair is only a failure if you assume her job is to get a Democrats elected. That is a false assumption....her job is to prevent populist/progressives from being elected. By that measure she's been very successful.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And she's very good at it! But it's not her fault! It's Sen Sanders' and his supporters fault! All we have to do is vote for the candidate that supports nothing we support. The candidate that calls single payer and free tuition unicorns and rainbows and never saw an armed conflict she didn't like. No thanks.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She is a trojan horse Republican GOOD RIDDANCE to her
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)glitterbag
(45 posts)I'm beginning to wonder if as Democrats we've assumed too much cooperation from Sanders. Yes, he caucuses with Democrats, but maybe only because he finds he has more in common with the D's. I wonder if he thinks he can lead a third party by uniting those folks voting for him. He's running as a Democratic, but perhaps only because he needed a large organization behind him. The Republican Party never would have supported him in this effort and I am not suggesting they should.
I'm really just spitballing here, I don't have a secret source on the Sanders campaign. He's been getting enthusiastic support from his fans, Dems are at each other's throats over the candidates. It's not good enough if you prefer one over the other, diehard's expect you to hate one like poison. I'm very diacourged, and I was a voter in the late sixties when Vietnam was a divisive issue, and we had a draft.