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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:33 PM May 2016

If Sanders put half as much energy into unseating repubs as he does into unseating elected democrats

where would we be right now? There are so many districts around the US where house republicans are running unopposed. Sanders now has the formula for attracting conservative "working class" whites, why doesn't he devote his energy into recruiting and funding democrats to run in those districts? Instead he's making it all about him and his revenge mission against DWS. I have a hard time respecting his approach because it doesn't get us any closer to achieving our shared goals.

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If Sanders put half as much energy into unseating repubs as he does into unseating elected democrats (Original Post) fried eggs May 2016 OP
If elected Dems spent as much time being Democrats as they spend being Republicans... Scootaloo May 2016 #1
That is a false narrative. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #3
Substantive rebuttal. n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #17
This article Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #19
That article was dumb two months ago, and hasn't aged well. Scootaloo May 2016 #29
Please check out where Hillary falls Perogie May 2016 #38
38. Please check out where Hillary falls brooklynite May 2016 #48
Ha Ha Ha Perogie May 2016 #63
As it stands, Trump could have all 3 branches of government backing him up fried eggs May 2016 #7
It's not Sanders' fault that the party keeps fielding shit candidates Scootaloo May 2016 #23
We live here, too. tazkcmo May 2016 #36
This is truth. +100 ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #10
Jury results Omaha Steve May 2016 #12
If DWS actually supported democrats as oposed to timmymoff May 2016 #16
Something Bernie wouldn't know a goddamn thing about, given he's never been elected as a Dem. eom tarheelsunc May 2016 #43
And yet is still better at it than most. Scootaloo May 2016 #44
You think he should have pulled a Nader? libdem4life May 2016 #59
Your op is comedy gold AgingAmerican May 2016 #2
Sanders is a fake progressive. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #5
You spelled Tavaris Jacksons name wrong AgingAmerican May 2016 #8
You are so full of it. Pretending you supported Sanders in that ridiculously disingenuous cali May 2016 #25
He is not as progressive as you think. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #26
He's represented me for over 25 years cali May 2016 #37
Sr. Montoya, your cue Scootaloo May 2016 #46
Or very many other words, from what I see cali May 2016 #52
You do realize that this is exactly Debbie Wasserman Schultz' job? KeepItReal May 2016 #4
Exactly. Her tenure as Chair of the DNC has been abysmal. The RNC thanks her. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #13
Sanders appears to have done great in Vermont. Not sure what you mean. Ash_F May 2016 #6
What is the minimum wage in Vermont? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #14
$9.60. cali May 2016 #28
WHAT?!!! Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #30
You are being so ludicrous. Do you understand that a U.S. Senator has zip cali May 2016 #40
That is NOT what Bernie's talking points say.. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #42
You're not too bright, are you? HooptieWagon May 2016 #50
You can't even get that right- unsurprisingly. Now where do you live? cali May 2016 #51
Pimping payday loans Mnpaul May 2016 #9
Focus on our shared goals then. I'm not sure wtf you're talking about fried eggs May 2016 #11
DWS is heavily bribed by payday loan industry. HooptieWagon May 2016 #20
But contributions don't mean... scscholar May 2016 #60
The answer is in the video Mnpaul May 2016 #24
Isn't that a truth. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #15
So you like payday lenders? Are against medical marijuana? Like losing seats in Senate & Congress? jillan May 2016 #18
I'm not praising her. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #21
That is what the President does. The President picks the DNC chair. It's not communism - it's jillan May 2016 #27
Bwahahaha! You don't even know how it works, do you? HooptieWagon May 2016 #31
You are embarrassing yourself. cali May 2016 #32
It's hard to find good trolls these days. HooptieWagon May 2016 #33
You really going to go with that? Scootaloo May 2016 #49
Brock must have penny-pinched on scriptwriters . HooptieWagon May 2016 #55
You're missing the point. fried eggs May 2016 #64
He is unseating Republicans.... HooptieWagon May 2016 #22
^^^This is a sentence^^^ -none May 2016 #41
It could not be clearer, he is going after DWS because she is the DNC Chair. Thinkingabout May 2016 #34
No one, absolutely NO ONE can beat DWS record for unseating Democrats randr May 2016 #35
"There are so many districts around the US where house republicans are running unopposed." tazkcmo May 2016 #39
Her history is to not help progressive Dems challenging incumbent Republicans. HooptieWagon May 2016 #47
I know. tazkcmo May 2016 #53
So, so true... nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #45
DWS doesnt count as a Democrat AgingAmerican May 2016 #54
I doubt DWS will lose her primary. hrmjustin May 2016 #56
You ever think there is a reason? TipTok May 2016 #57
he will send us all to hell if he doesnt let up and #Bowdown reddread May 2016 #58
Unseating republicans glitterbag May 2016 #61
DWS is the best thing to happen to Republicans in fifty years reddread May 2016 #62
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. If elected Dems spent as much time being Democrats as they spend being Republicans...
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

It wouldn't be a damn issue, now would it?

Perogie

(687 posts)
63. Ha Ha Ha
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

You provide a link to things Hilliary has said not done.

She says a lot of things but actually votes more right.

Here are some of her votes

Secure Fence Act (Just like a Republican)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HR 6061 - Secure Fence Act of 2006. The bill passed on September 29, 2006, by a vote of 80-19. The bill authorized the construction of 700 miles of additional fencing along the United States-Mexico border. The Democratic Party split on the vote.

Iraq War (Not very liberal)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HJ Res 114 - Use of Military Force Against Iraq. The resolution passed on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23. The resolution authorized the use of the United States military against Iraq. The Democratic Party split on the vote.

Patriot Act (She voted to take away your privacy)
Voted "Yes" Clinton voted in support of HR 3162 - USA Patriot Act of 2001. The bill passed on October 25, 2001, by a vote of 98-1. The bill allowed law enforcement more authority in searching homes, tapping phone lines and tracking internet information while searching for suspected terrorists.

So you can post all the things she says, but I'll look at what she ACTUALLY does.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
7. As it stands, Trump could have all 3 branches of government backing him up
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

it's a shame that you and Sanders don't understand what that could mean for us.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
23. It's not Sanders' fault that the party keeps fielding shit candidates
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

It's their job to get votes. If they fail in that, then the problem lies with them, not a Senator from Vermont.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
36. We live here, too.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

You can blame me and other Sanders' supporters all you want (And we know you will) but that's not going to change anything. As for the "damage" The Donald may do, we live here too and will be subject to it also. That "Fear of The Donald" will not motivate me to cast a vote for Sec Clinton. Only she can do that and clearly she's not going to do anything to get my vote. Things like being honest, having good judgement and not going to war to prove how tough she is. Don't like it? Tough toe nails.

Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
12. Jury results
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Saying ALL elected Democrats are republicans?? Really??

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 23, 2016, 03:42 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post does not say "ALL" democrats. The alert is a straw-man smear against the post. The OP is ridiculous. This post to counter the OP is not especially informative, but does express a valid opinion contrary to the OP.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There's no law here against stupid.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Reading comprehension is your friend - we do have a center right party overall.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Doesn't say all. It a fair retort to the OP.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
16. If DWS actually supported democrats as oposed to
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

republicans she said she could work with we would really have something, instead we have her vast record of losses galore.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
59. You think he should have pulled a Nader?
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

With Trump and Clinton neck in neck and Sanders beating Trump...not vetted a big red herring so don't go there.

Now that would have really been swell. As it stands and it is a disgrace, he's the best Democrat in the race. The Queen' s Coronation isn't a winning event with the Turd Way. Never was. Just a figment of political privilege.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. You are so full of it. Pretending you supported Sanders in that ridiculously disingenuous
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

op about being "mesmorized" by Clinton. Now calling the most progressive member of the Senate a fake progressive.

You are painfully transparent

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
26. He is not as progressive as you think.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

He is an odd kind of progressive if you look at the big picture.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. He's represented me for over 25 years
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

I've met with him several times. I think I know far more than YOU about his politics. And Vermont is the most progressive state in the union.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
4. You do realize that this is exactly Debbie Wasserman Schultz' job?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

She had been rewarded for abject failure by keeping her job. As Chair of the Democratic NATIONAL Committee.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. You are being so ludicrous. Do you understand that a U.S. Senator has zip
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

to do with raising the minimum wage in the state he or she represents, beyond expressing an opinion? And Vermont's minimum wage is the third highest. Where do you live? What's the minimum wage there?

And the fight for fifteen is about raising the minimum wage to that level over a number of year.

I really don't have the patience to educate you.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
42. That is NOT what Bernie's talking points say..
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

I am glad you said it though! So he suggests starting at like say $12.00 and going up from there?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
18. So you like payday lenders? Are against medical marijuana? Like losing seats in Senate & Congress?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

And losing Governors too? Local Dems elections?

Yes, praise DWS for destroying the Democratic Party & for hurting the poor & middle class.

We know where you stand.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
21. I'm not praising her.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

I do not even like her, but there is a process called VOTING. This is a democracy. Sanders said if he was president he would use his power to remove her as chair. Those are actions of a communist dictator.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
27. That is what the President does. The President picks the DNC chair. It's not communism - it's
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

American.

Don't like how we do things in this country? Sorry.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. Bwahahaha! You don't even know how it works, do you?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

The Party Chairperson serves at the pleasure of an incumbent President. Pres. Obama or any newly elected Democratic President can fire her at will.
Perhaps Correct The Record should do better research before distributing the talking points to y'all.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
33. It's hard to find good trolls these days.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

Brock must be pulling his hair out at the lack of available talent.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
55. Brock must have penny-pinched on scriptwriters .
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

The trolls keep recycling the same feeble talking points, and get horribly stuck when forced to deviate from the script.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
64. You're missing the point.
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

Re-read the subject line. I don't care one way or another about DWS, I'm just saying that if he put half the effort he puts into trying to primary democrats (like President Obama?! WTF?!) into challenging republican seats, we'd be a lot better off. You guys are so caught up in personalities that you can't see the bigger picture. You see your actions as punishing the establishment but don't seem to realize that you're just harming us (the 99%). If the Supreme Court openings are filled by Trump, how will that help progressive causes?

-none

(1,884 posts)
41. ^^^This is a sentence^^^
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

The Democratic party has been infiltrated and taken over by the opposition.
It is time to take it back.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
34. It could not be clearer, he is going after DWS because she is the DNC Chair.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

DWS did lose the nomination for Sanders, he lost it by having an unrealistic agenda and no as people got to know him they did not support him.

This thinking and planning resulted in Landrieu getting defeated in Louisiana and wad replaced by a TP RW nut. How much is the replacement going to help progressive ideas. It doesn't. I have not been one to donate to out of state candidates but I am going to make an exception on this one.

randr

(12,412 posts)
35. No one, absolutely NO ONE can beat DWS record for unseating Democrats
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

She is responsible for the Republican majority in the Senate and in the majority of States Governors and States Houses.
Her record in any world other than the DNC would have had her our on her ass long ago.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
39. "There are so many districts around the US where house republicans are running unopposed."
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

And that's Sen Sanders' and his supporters fault, too? I thought Pay Day Debbie was in charge of that. You know, the head of the DNC?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
47. Her history is to not help progressive Dems challenging incumbent Republicans.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

In fact, she has endorsed those incumbent Rrpublicans, and called them her friends.
Pay Day Debbie's record as DNC chair is only a failure if you assume her job is to get a Democrats elected. That is a false assumption....her job is to prevent populist/progressives from being elected. By that measure she's been very successful.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
53. I know.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

And she's very good at it! But it's not her fault! It's Sen Sanders' and his supporters fault! All we have to do is vote for the candidate that supports nothing we support. The candidate that calls single payer and free tuition unicorns and rainbows and never saw an armed conflict she didn't like. No thanks.

glitterbag

(45 posts)
61. Unseating republicans
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

I'm beginning to wonder if as Democrats we've assumed too much cooperation from Sanders. Yes, he caucuses with Democrats, but maybe only because he finds he has more in common with the D's. I wonder if he thinks he can lead a third party by uniting those folks voting for him. He's running as a Democratic, but perhaps only because he needed a large organization behind him. The Republican Party never would have supported him in this effort and I am not suggesting they should.
I'm really just spitballing here, I don't have a secret source on the Sanders campaign. He's been getting enthusiastic support from his fans, Dems are at each other's throats over the candidates. It's not good enough if you prefer one over the other, diehard's expect you to hate one like poison. I'm very diacourged, and I was a voter in the late sixties when Vietnam was a divisive issue, and we had a draft.

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