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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:50 PM May 2016

The McAuliffe investigation highlights, in one word, why Sanders can't give up...

Corruption.

Nothing changes while our elected officials are on-the-take, willing to make their campaign promises disappear for the right price.

I'm seeing posts about Bernie demanding greater say in the Democratic Party platform, and even a say in Clinton's cabinet choices.

Why, you might ask, would a "loser" make such demands?

Because Clinton is as corrupt as the day is long. He's hoping to prevent her from backing away from her campaign promises for the benefit of her corporate "sponsors".

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The McAuliffe investigation highlights, in one word, why Sanders can't give up... (Original Post) Barack_America May 2016 OP
Violins are playing off in the distance and they ain't playing for Bernie. NWCorona May 2016 #1
Who then? immoderate May 2016 #2
Team Hillary. Storm Clouds are gathering NWCorona May 2016 #3
Prove she is corrupt or GTFO with this stupidity. nt Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #4
Promoting the environment AND fracking is corrupt. immoderate May 2016 #5
So you support burning *more* coal and call yourself an environmentalist? Recursion May 2016 #9
So you put words in my mouth, and call yourself a, a ... immoderate May 2016 #11
If you decrease fracking, you're increasing coal. Period. Recursion May 2016 #12
Nonsense. There's a glut of fossil fuels. immoderate May 2016 #13
They are. And *today*, if we frack less, we burn more coal. Recursion May 2016 #14
Not necessarily. immoderate May 2016 #15
Necessarily. You can't snap your fingers and build out solar/wind capacity Recursion May 2016 #16
When do you think we should start working on switching to renewables? immoderate May 2016 #18
Twenty years ago. Recursion May 2016 #19
Fossil fuels should be left in the ground. Tell Hillary. immoderate May 2016 #21
Why should I tell Hillary? Ask a supporter of hers Recursion May 2016 #22
Ask Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #24
Awful demanding for someone who can't spell their heroe's name timmymoff May 2016 #7
Perhaps various Tarvaris's use that handle? Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #10
Are you really willing to have this conversation... Barack_America May 2016 #8
K and R panader0 May 2016 #6
That agency had to find a new hobby after Obama cracked down on rolling mosques. ucrdem May 2016 #17
Dear Diary: Day 2 of the McAuliffe revelation. randome May 2016 #20
This has nothing to do with primaries... Demsrule86 May 2016 #23
 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
5. Promoting the environment AND fracking is corrupt.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

There are several other instances of apparent conflicts.

--imm

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
11. So you put words in my mouth, and call yourself a, a ...
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

What do people who insinuate statements from total strangers call themselves? Whatever, you are one of those.

As fracking has similar detrimental effects on the environment as using coal does, I'm not for that either. Transporting, pipelines, for either -- a real mess.

You can choose from renewable sustainables, or sustainable renewables.

--imm

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. If you decrease fracking, you're increasing coal. Period.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

Since you're against fracking, by your own words you are for more coal.

You can say "I want renewables" all you want; so do I. The actual fact is that today, decreasing fracking means burning more coal.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
13. Nonsense. There's a glut of fossil fuels.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

We have to end this party. Alternatives have been suppressed for fifty years. Time to move, -- now. Renewables are more fun anyway.

--imm

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. They are. And *today*, if we frack less, we burn more coal.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016
There's a glut of fossil fuels. We have to end this party.

Agreed. It also completely avoids the uncomfortable fact I pointed out: if today we decrease fracking, we are by that action burning more coal.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Necessarily. You can't snap your fingers and build out solar/wind capacity
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:39 AM
May 2016

It would take about a decade to build those out to meet what either coal or NG are doing for generation right now, if we started literally today.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. Twenty years ago.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

If we had, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We need to start this ****ing minute. But that doesn't let me avoid responsibility today for the tradeoff between fracking and coal today

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
22. Why should I tell Hillary? Ask a supporter of hers
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016
Fossil fuels should be left in the ground.

Yep. There's not a way to make that happen today. If we start working now, in about a decade there might be. Pretend otherwise all you want, though...

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. Are you really willing to have this conversation...
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

...or would I be wasting my time detailing the examples?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. That agency had to find a new hobby after Obama cracked down on rolling mosques.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:43 AM
May 2016

Now they roll Democrats to throw elections. Old game, new targets. I wouldn't pay them no never mind.

p.s. Holder seemed better at keeping them in line but I expect they'll get a smackdown soon enough.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Dear Diary: Day 2 of the McAuliffe revelation.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

Nothing new to report. It's sunny outside. Think I'll go for a walk.
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