I am thinking they(the powers that be) have Warren lined up.

[Luminous Animal]

Her unrelenting attacks against Trump signal, to me, she ready to step up.

[JoePhilly]

1. But I heard on DU that TPTB hate hate hate Warren.

So confusing.

[Aerows]

20. If your previous posts are anything to go by

so do you.

Would you like me to link to those?

I have to be careful here. I was accused of threatening someone because I simply stated I could link to the previous things they themselves said.

Surely you wouldn't get all bent out of shape about that, though, would you?

[still_one]

2. interesting speculation

[Ed Suspicious]

3. We were trying to draft her a year ago. Why now?

[Luminous Animal]

5. Because Hillary is falling apart and Bernie ran because she didn't.

[Ed Suspicious]

6. Right, but what does the establishment get from her that they don't get from Sanders?

Why would they risk party implosion just to trade populists.

[Luminous Animal]

11. A woman.

[leveymg]

35. Pedigree

She isn't an avowed Socialist. I know that's silly, but the label still strikes terror to a lot of PTB.

[NanceGreggs]

10. Hillary is falling apart ...

... to the tune of being hundreds of delegates and millions of votes ahead of Bernie.

And if you're counting on the Indictment Fairy to change things, you're going to be even more disappointed than you are right now.

[morningfog]

14. It won't take an indictment to make her untenable.

We already know that she violated the law, and this came from the State IG!

The FBI has access to documents and persons that the State IG did not. The FBI's investigation is of a whole other ball of wax.

I doubt Hillary will be indicted. But it would not need to rise to that level to sink her general election viability. There are serious open questions remaining and incredible risk in a Hillary nomination.

[NanceGreggs]

15. I realize this scenario ...

... is Bernie's last hope - but it's not gonna happen.

[morningfog]

17. This has jack shit to do with Bernie.

[NanceGreggs]

19. But your hope ...

... that Hillary goes down in flames - for one reason or another - has everything to do with Bernie.

[morningfog]

25. Fuck that. You are dead wrong.

And insulting.

I don't owe that kind of insult a response,but will anyway.

I suffer from no illusion that Hillary is not set to be our nominee. I've acknowledged that for months. I've supported Bernie's continued run for reasons other than winning the nomination, which has long been a near impossibility.

The last thing I want, the last fucking thing, is for the democratic nominee or democratic nominee to be to be at risk of serious scandal and/or criminal liability. That is the worst thing that could happen to the party and the country. Particularly since trump secured enough delegates to be declared the presumptive republican nominee.

So no. You are dead wrong. I do not hope Hillary goes down in flames.

[Live and Learn]

26. Perhaps you should re-read the OP. Bernie is not mentioned. nt

[leveymg]

37. The party leadership, the ones who are sane, won't run an unindicted felon

She's unviable and stands too high a risk of being defeated. If elected, she will have the taint of illegitimacy. It will have disastrous consequences for governability and government. Period.

That's why, Nance.

[John Poet]

43. I don't know if I can give the party leadership that much credit---

being "sane" enough to get off this train wreck before it's too late....

[Ken Burch]

18. If it ended up being HRC giving way to Warren instead of Bernie...

...could you live with that?

You'd have all of the HRC's feminist commitment, without any of the negatives.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Why are you bringing up ...

... "the gender liberation aspect"?

Freudian slip?

[Ken Burch]

23. Nothing negative or disparaging meant in the reference at all. I've now changed it for clarity.

It was simply a reference to HRC's strongest suit-her commitment to feminism.

Warren would be just as strong on that...without the Wall Street ickiness.

And she'd instantly unify us all.

[NanceGreggs]

27. So HRC's "strongest suit" ...

... is the "gender liberation aspect"?

Really?

THIS I've GOT to hear.

[Ken Burch]

29. I just meant her feminist commitment.

It's the best thing about her. It's more important than anything else about her in positive terms(certainly more positive than her hawkishness on foreign policy or her conservatism on economic policy).

I was paying her a compliment, and it's silly for you to be pretending to be indignant.

(Besides which, I'm for ALL forms of human liberation...including the liberation of women from the constraints they live under due to their gender. That's all I meant by "gender liberation". It's a good thing, not a slam.)

[NanceGreggs]

33. Again you attribute ...

... thoughts and feelings to me without cause. I am not "indignant" about anything, nor am I pretending to be.

I am truly curious to hear your explanation for claiming that ""the gender liberation aspect" is Hillary's strong suit. And the above post doesn't even come close to you explaining it.

"It's more important than anything else about her in positive terms ..."

So let's hear it, Ken. Tell us all about how HRC's "gender liberation aspect" and what that's actually supposed to mean.

[John Poet]

44. Oh, Quit your Hill-Bullying!

And regarding Hillary's current implosion, I was wondering:
are you blind as well as deaf? (figuratively speaking, of course)

[Art_from_Ark]

7. The coronation committee is just throwing a bunch of stuff into the moat

to see what floats.

Or sinks, as the case may be.

[highprincipleswork]

39. I hope so. I'm with Warren in a second. President or Vice-President.

[geek tragedy]

4. She is a Democrat and is acting like one.

This is unsurprising, she doesn't need to be coaxed into attacking Trump.

[Luminous Animal]

9. Neither does Bernie. And he attacks Trump in every speech he makes these days.

And ge attacks Trump oh his Twitter and Facebook feeds. So does Hillary. All 3 of them need no coaxing.

[Aerows]

22. Well it is absolutely excellent to hear you say that.

I like Elizabeth Warren, too, and think she would make a fine President in 2016.

[larkrake]

8. Hill wont like being overshadowed, and VPs have to toe the line, Warren wont be silent, no, it wont

[leveymg]

38. Warren for President, not Veep

Hillary is in a position where if she wants to be pardoned instead of being indicted will have to stand aside. That's the inside baseball view.

[lostnfound]

45. I agree that it's a significant possibility - Warren as Plan B

Select as VP, and Hillary drops out a month after convention?

Or is Warren sufficiently helpful as running mate to shore up progressive vote, get through the general, and take over after a resignation?

[Eric J in MN]

12. I think Warren would like to be VP

...and that Hilary Clinton respects Warren.

However, if Clinton floats the idea of Warren-as-VP to her Wall St donors, they'll say No.

[snowy owl]

30. I hope not. She needs to stay in Senate and earn the Presidency if she wants it.

Made a mistake expecting too much from green Obama. Won't do that again. Wish she'd have been our first female Pres.

[zappaman]

13. I guess we have different definitions of "thinking"

[Samantha]

16. Sanders and Warren have similar views on many things

I am thinking she probably is against the TPP and that would rule her out. Also she comes down very hard on the big banks and Wall Street. I think the Establishment would rather have a New Dem or a Third Way (same thing) type.

I also think she would have run initially if she were interested. She really likes the job she has now.

Sam

[snowy owl]

31. Wouldn't that be a reason to pick her? Get those votes?

I wonder if Warren would take it? Seems a step down given her desire to make changes in US domestically. Of course, Hillary loves the international stage so maybe she'd just let Warren do what she wants. Kind of a shared Presidency?

[SheilaT]

28. Lined up for what?

Are you suggesting Hillary is no longer viable and will pull out of the race, and then Warren will smoothly take over her delegates, instead of Biden doing so as has been floated more than once?

I was one of those who desperately wanted her to join the race last year, but she didn't. Bernie has been out there, campaigning, raising money from people like me. If Hillary is or any reason whatsoever no longer in this, then Bernie should be the nominee. Anything else would be a travesty.

However, she'd make a great VP, although last year when many of us were hoping she'd run, a lot of posters here said no, no, no, she's needed in the Senate. In reality, if she's not going to be President, she ought to remain in the Senate.

[snowy owl]

32. VP don't do much. Think Biden. Good support but what's he done? Short sighted thinking.

Stop thinking so short sighted. She is needed in the Senate. Only step for her up is Presidency. And who remembers VPs anyway.

[Art_from_Ark]

34. The last Democratic VP who didn't run for the presidency

on the Democratic ticket was Henry Wallace (although he did run for President in 1948 on a 3rd party ticket).

So between Henry Wallace and Biden, EVERY Democratic vice president has run for the presidency

Harry Truman
Lyndon Johnson
Hubert Humphrey
Walter Mondale
Al Gore, Jr.

[3hummingbirds]

36. Elizabeth Warren

I hope not. She could possibly be the next Senate leader and I think she could wield more influence than being VP.

[Locrian]

40. maybe that's the plan

Put her in as VP to help with hrc's dismal approval numbers - which she might see as helping a much needed win. And they get her our of the way re wallstreet -as VPs' don't really get to do much. Devious.

Don't know how much of a "team player" she would be if that was the scenario.

[bobbobbins01]

41. She just better not challenge Trump to a debate!

Apparent that is over the line and would help him in cuckoo world.

[CentralMass]

42. I believe that Senator Warren has repeatedly said she is not interested.

She has been taken to task publically by the establishment on several of her stances. I just don't think she is willing to end her senate career to carry someone's water.

[TheProgressive]

46. There is this guy named Sanders running for President...

A lot of people like him and his policy positions... You should check him out!