LA Times - "For all her faults, Hillary Clinton is vastly better prepared than Bernie Sanders"

[TomCADem]

I notice some folks have been citing Editorials from the Tribune, so here is their actual editorial weighing and comparing Hillary to Sanders.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/endorsements/la-ed-democratic-presidential-endorsement-20160426-story.html

From her early days as a children’s rights advocate to her role as an activist first lady in pressing for healthcare reform to her public service in the Senate and as secretary of State, Clinton has demonstrated a steely persistence and a keen intellect. She and Sanders agree on many broad goals, including expanding healthcare, regulating the financial sector and reducing America’s reliance on fossil fuels. But where Sanders offers audacious, utopian solutions, Clinton adopts a more incremental approach that has a better chance of success during a time of divided government and political dysfunction when negotiation and compromise will be more important than ever.

For example, Sanders wants to establish a single-payer, British style health insurance system he calls “Medicare for all.” Clinton counters with the obvious: It was difficult enough for President Obama to win congressional support for the Affordable Care Act (which many Republicans in Congress still want to repeal) and the emphasis should be on building on and improving on the ACA, not tossing it out and starting from scratch. What’s more, some experts say Sanders’ proposal would cost twice as much as he estimates it will and could increase the size of the federal government by as much as 50%.

When it comes to financial reform, Sanders has proposed a bill to break up financial institutions that regulators have deemed too big to fail. But the measure, which offers no clues as to how the Treasury Department would go about doing so, seems aimed at exacting a punishment on companies at the heart of the last recession, rather than addressing the behavior that caused it. To that end, Clinton has called for strengthening the Dodd-Frank Act signed by Obama in 2010, which had many of the right concepts but not necessarily the right details.

The two candidates offer a stark contrast when they discuss the issues facing the country. Sanders focuses — often in an inspiring way — on grand causes and doesn’t sweat the details. Clinton is acutely conscious of the political and practical obstacles that must be negotiated in order to bring about change. In our view that’s an asset.

[JDPriestly]

1. I canceled the LA Times because of its dishonest reporting on the

Iraq War and its relegation of the Downing Street papers reporting to the back pages.

It's a right-wing rag and people don't realize it.

[RobertEarl]

3. LA Times is an establishment rag

And very right wing. Of course it is in the H camp of the same old same old, third way, and will eventually support Trump. Bernie is the greatest barrier to Trump so there is no way LA Times could say anything to make Bernie look good.

[TomCADem]

6. For all the insistence that Bernie is all about the issues, look at this Board...

...the focus is on Trump trolling Democrats with offers to debate and Hillary's e-mail. Bernie has reduced himself to playing this game. Offering to debate on Fox News. Jumping on Trump's throw away line to debate him, then continuing to chase a debate by agreeing to help give Trump $10-15 million to claim as a write off for charity?

At one point, Bernie was focused on the issues, and he seemed really intriguing, but now he is just being used as a tool for Trump. You attack the LA Times for this piece, but they are actually discussing actual issues? Would you prefer more tabloid coverage of Trump?

[JDPriestly]

15. A Bernie Trump debate would be great.

Hillary reneged on an agreement to debate Bernie before the California primary. I think she just has too many problems right now and is afraid of debating, afraid of the questions that might be asked of her.

But a Trump/Bernie debate would be great in my opinion.

Bring it on!

[FreakinDJ]

12. OLD article before the latest Email Developments

Hillary has become the "Walking Dead" in the media

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Faults? What faults?

Oh - those.....

[KingFlorez]

4. We don't Cornel West, Susan Sarandon and Killer Mike as key cabinet members

That would be a major disaster.

[mazzarro]

5. This is no doubt a "DLC/Third Way/neo-liberal" opinion b***sh**

Gradualism has not pushed back one inch of RW policies and measures since the Reagan administration unleashed them with full vehemence on the world, especially the US!

[TomCADem]

7. TIME - "I Felt the Bern But the Bros Are Extinguishing the Flames"

I think your post is emblematic of the Bernie campaign. Use of profanity, yelling, screaming and character attacks. How is this different from the way Trump and his followers campaign. Yes, the underlying issues are similar, but the approach is the same. This article from a Bernie supporter illustrates where I am coming from.

http://time.com/4339865/bernie-sanders-supporters-violence/

The Bernie Bros are real. I’ve been the target of Bernie Bros on social media, and when I endorsed Sen. Sanders at a Brooklyn rally in front of more than 30,000 people, a not insignificant portion of the audience booed me for praising Clinton in my remarks. Forget the plainly self-defeating results of that behavior in terms of trying to recruit would-be Hillary supporters to Bernie’s column. It was disturbing from a visceral, human level.

It’s also too easy to suggest that Sanders’ supporters are a different kind of angry than Trump’s. Are we entirely sure about that? The populist right may be more inclined toward misogyny and xenophobia, but the populist left is not immune from these afflictions. And as I’ve written before, when you see progressive white men—many of whom enthusiastically supported Barack Obama’s candidacy—hate Clinton with every fiber of their being despite the fact that she’s a carbon copy of Obama’s ideology (or in fact now running slightly to his left), it’s hard to find any other explanation than sexism. Either way, the brutish, boorish behavior of Bernie Bros (and their female compatriots, too) was a huge reason I was reluctant to seemingly side with them in endorsing Sanders—and has been the only reason I have ever questioned my decision to do so since.

But what’s perhaps most disconcerting to me about the events in Nevada is that if you remove the ideological valence, it’s easy to see an anti-establishment movement rising across the U.S. that is disturbingly proto-violent. Let me be clear: I am all for populist mass social movements and even anti-elite revolutions. The sooner the better. But what I am not for is hate and violence in the service of those ends, movements that seek to lift up their marginalized base by marginalizing others.

This is the philosophy behind Trump. I’m not saying that all or even most of Sanders’ white male supporters are violent xenophobes, but they are certainly angry, and in the past and present of America it is impossible to disentangle white male anger from gender and racial bias and resentment. This is, after all, all happening at a time when white male supremacy is finally, if only slightly, on the decline. It’s not inevitable that these voters’ anger would be captured and catalyzed by Trump and his message—and even more worryingly, by the truly dangerous spirit of a larger swath of his supporters. It’s not inevitable at all. But it is possible. And incidentally, being wary of the events in Nevada and the general bullying behavior of Sanders supporters throughout the campaign doesn’t make me a bad progressive or a bad Democrat. It makes me a good human being. And to not worry about any of this would be naïve.

[NurseJackie]

17. Great find! Thanks for sharing this!

[JudyM]

8. This is from May 13... They may have a revision coming...

[MADem]

11. Here's your revision--they endorse Clinton for POTUS

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-end-adv-endorsement-roundup-20160520-snap-story.html


Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks in New York on May 12. (Mary Altaffer / Associated Press)

The Times Editorial Board
These are The Times' endorsements for the June 7 primary. The Times endorses selectively; these recommendations do not cover every race on every Californian’s ballot. Voting by mail is underway.

In the presidential race, voters select from candidates running for a particular party nomination; winners of each party nomination will compete in the Nov. 8 general election.


In the Senate and House of Representatives contests, voters may select any candidate on the ballot regardless of party affiliation. The top two vote-getters will compete in the general election.

In nonpartisan races, including the district attorney, county supervisors and the Superior Court judge races, candidates who win more than 50% of the vote are declared the winners and will avoid November runoffs. If no candidate receives more than 50% of the vote, the top two vote-getters will face off in the November election.

President

Democratic nomination: Hillary Clinton

Republican nomination: No endorsement

U.S. Senate: Kamala Harris

House of Representatives, 44th District: Nanette Barragán

Los Angeles County District Attorney: Jackie Lacey

Los Angeles County Supervisor, 2nd District: Mark Ridley-Thomas

Los Angeles County Supervisor, 4th District: Janice Hahn

Los Angeles County Supervisor, 5th District: Ara Najarian

Los Angeles County Superior Court

Office 11: Steven Schreiner

Office 42: Cyndy Zuzga

Office 60: James Kaddo

Office 84: Susan Jung Townsend

Office 120: Ray Santana

Office 158: David A. Berger

Office 165: Kathryn Solórzano

Proposition 50: No

[LibDemAlways]

9. The LA Times is a joke. I cancelled it back in

2000 when they were pro Bush. My elderly mother still has a print subscription and I'm appalled at how expensive it is for a thin rag with little content.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Dateline is May 13

Before the OIG report

[noiretextatique]

13. Lol...ridiculous. eom

[Art_from_Ark]

14. Um, "Medicare for all" would NOT be "starting from scratch",

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since the Medicare program has already been established for half a century.

[Sky Masterson]

16. Be prepared and being able to win are different.

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