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H: FRANCE'S CLIENT & Q'S GOLD. SID
From: Hillary Clinton To: Lauren Jiloty Date: 2011-04-03 08:41 Subject: H: FRANCE'S CLIENT & Q'S GOLD. SID
UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05785507 Date: 01/07/2016 RELEASE IN PART B6 From: H <hrod17@clintonemail.com> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 8:41 PM To: 'JilotyLC@state.goy' Subject Fw: H: France's client & Q's gold. Sid Attachments: hrc memo France's client & Q's gold 040211.doa Pls print. From: sbwhoeop Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:43 PM To: H Subject: H: France's client & Q's gold.
Sid CONFIDENTIAL April 2, 2011
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: France's client & Qaddafi's gold
1. A high ranking official on the National Libyan Council states that factions have developed within it. In part this reflects the cultivation by France in particular of clients among the rebels. General Abdelfateh Younis is the leading figure closest to the French, who are believed to have made payments of an unknown amount to him. Younis has told others on the NLC that the French have promised they will provide military trainers and arms. So far the men and materiel have not made an appearance. Instead, a few "risk assessment analysts" wielding clipboards have come and gone. Jabril, Jalil and others are impatient. It is understood that France has clear economic interests at stake. Sarkozy's occasional emissary, the intellectual self-promoter Bernard Henri-Levy, is considered by those in the NLC who have dealt with him as a semi-useful, semi-joke figure.
2. Rumors swept the NLC upper echelon this week that Qaddafi may be dead or maybe not.
3. Qaddafi has nearly bottomless financial resources to continue indefinitely, according to the latest report we have received: On April 2, 2011 sources with access to advisors to Saif al-Islam Qaddafi stated in strictest confidence that while the freezing of Libya's foreign bank accounts presents Muammar Qaddafi with serious challenges, his ability to equip and maintain his armed forces and intelligence services remains intact. According to sensitive information available to this these individuals, Qaddafi's government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver. During late March, 2011 these stocks were moved to SABHA (south west in the direction of the Libyan border with Niger and Chad); taken from the vaults of the Libyan Central Bank in Tripoli. This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA). (Source Comment: According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7
UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05785507
Date: 01/07/2016 billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy's decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these individuals Sarkozy's plans are driven by the following issues: a. A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production, b. Increase French influence in North Africa, c. Improve his internal political situation in.France, d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world, e. Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi's long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in Francophone Africa.) On the afternoon of April 1, an individual with access to the National Libyan Council (NLC) stated in private that senior officials of the NLC believe that the rebel military forces are beginning to show signs of improved discipline and fighting spirit under some of the new military commanders, including Colonel Khalifha Haftar, the former commander of the anti- Qaddafi forces in the Libyan National Army (LNA). According to these sources, units defecting from Qaddafi's force are also taking a greater role in the fighting on behalf of the rebels.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Information and whether this could compromise US or allied intelligence. If so, please mark this as People's Exhibit Number 2136.
amborin
(16,631 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html
These werent just ordinary secrets found in Clintons private server, but some of the most classified material the U.S. government has.
After months of denials and delaying actions, Hillary Clinton has decided to turn over her private email server to the Department of Justice. As this controversy has grown since the spring, Clinton and her campaign operatives have repeatedly denied that she had placed classified information in her personal email while serving as secretary of state during President Obamas first term. (I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received, she said last month.) Her team also denied that she would ever hand over her server to investigators. Now both those assertions have been overturned.
Hillary Clinton has little choice but to hand over her server to authorities since it now appears increasingly likely that someone on her staff violated federal laws regarding the handling of classified materials. On August 11, after extensive investigation, the intelligence communitys inspector general reported to Congress that it had found several violations of security policy in Clintons personal emails.
Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clintons emails included information that was highly classifiedyet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN, according to the inspector generals report.
TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.
SI refers to Special Intelligence, meaning it is information derived from intercepted communications, which is the business of the National Security Agency, Americas single biggest source of intelligence. Theyre the guys who eavesdrop on phone calls, map whos calling whom, and comb through emails. SI is a subset of what the intelligence community calls Sensitive Compartmented Information, or SCI. And these materials always require special handling and protection. They are to be kept in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, which is a special hardened room that is safe from both physical and electronic intrusion.
TK refers to Talent Keyhole, which is an intelligence community caveat indicating that the classified material was obtained via satellite.
NOFORN, as the name implies, means that the materials can only be shown to Americans, not to foreigners.
In short: Information at the TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN level is considered exceptionally highly classified and must be handled with great care under penalty of serious consequences for mishandling. Every person who is cleared and read on for access to such information signs reams of paperwork and receives detailed training about how it is to be handled, no exceptionsand what the consequences will be if the rules are not followed.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)had himself quite the array of sources. Probably not so much anymore.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Aside from deeply-routed self-destructive tendency, what others charitably call "poor judgement," and which is actually some sort of passive-aggression on a huge scale, I don't know how to explain her actions. It's almost as if she was inviting punishment, and gets a major kick out of avoiding it.
I don't think the Democratic Party and the USG are going to continue reinforcing that sort of behavior, or allow her to put herself in the position where we have to show love and leniency, ever again.
amborin
(16,631 posts)never paid attn to Benghazi, until suddenly, it revealed much about her Libya disaster
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Amazing.
Sam
bjo59
(1,166 posts)television interview. Gold! Oil! And stopping that bastard from screwing up the global power of the petro dollar. That last little problem was Saddam Hussein's sin too. These people in Europe and the US act like the emperors and empresses of old, except much more cold and machine like. Libya wrecked beyond measure and the suffering of its people continues unabated. But, hey, all in a good day's work for the vampire class.
2banon
(7,321 posts)indeed. excellent post.
Vampire Class, a most appropriate moniker for these people.
vintx
(1,748 posts)I'm sure they're very proud of themselves
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)You can infer that those were Hillary's as well, but the document in the OP is Sid reporting to Hillary about Sarkozy being motivated by Qaddafi's efforts to get Libya and others off the French currency.
You may have basis for your inferences but it is not in the document in the OP.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)revolting, repugnant, disgusting.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)That you put in your private e-mail messages
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Perhaps I can translate a little...
A high ranking official on the National Libyan Council states that factions have developed within it.
high ranking official = yoga instructor
National Libyan Council = "Om on the Range" yoga studio
factions have developed = will start offering Pilates also
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)balance out the disgust and contempt I'm feeling right now.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Maybe she likes fancy handcuffs.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yes. Well, we did a Bloomberg news story yesterday, talked to some rich Wall Street bankers, and one of them an ex Goldman Sachs partner said that they actually have a nickname for Hillary Clinton, the fact shes given so many speeches, made so much money, they refer to it as Hillarys Goldman handcuffs, which is obviously a reference to Golden handcuffs. And I tweeted that yesterday and liberal Twitter, sort of, went wild. Because, I think it really resonates and gets at that lurking fear that Democratic voters have that maybe Clinton is too close to these Wall Street banks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511257052
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)That was my first thought. The second was "that looks like stuff from the intelligence community - why was Blumenthal in possession?
The third thought was "they wanted his gold and now he's dead. Bill was given $500k from the foreign minister two days after Benghazi. Broker's fee?"
Unbelievable but true crap.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)She persuaded an ambivalent Obama for that 51-49 vote to intervene, using a banned Blumenthals's info - all the while he was being paid through her Foundation. She not only gave her finger to her own President, but helped cause unimaginable horror to yet another sovereign nation, and now, the whole region.
840high
(17,196 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)why he is so supportive of HRC as his successor.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/12/libya-obama-admits-clintons-greatest-moment-was-his-worst-mistake
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It was one of the traffic that made me go instantly from, to quote boxer, nothing burger to this is serious shit
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)I need to understand how this is virtuous.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)will go away.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)There is a wicked evil at work here.
What kind of people think this way?
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)But, of course, they wouldn't need to ask for private details if they are intent in hacking into an unsecured private server.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)And now here you are spreading it around just in case it didn't get viewed by the entire world already. Nice going.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Apparently she had to keep changing her username, presumably because hrod, hrod1, ...hrod16 all got hit by hackers or spammers.
sorechasm
(631 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Very clever trade craft. I sure it fooled Chinese intel as well as the Russians.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)masmdu
(2,536 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,205 posts).
Folks across the telcos can scope and catpure anything. The recipient servers could be questionable too.
For semi-secure communications, messages should be encrypted and opened with private passwords, even links to the sender site to open them in a secure session.
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)Wasn't it common knowledge that Qaddafi wanted to get off the franc? Isn't it pretty obvious this would annoy Sarkozy and increase motivation for France to get involved?
Maybe it wasn't common knowledge that he had squirreled away a bunch of gold so that he could accomplish that objective (or more likely the amount wasn't known) ... but it's hardly earth-shaking or a revolutionary concept. It's what criminals and dictators and people trying to manipulate money markets do.
Yes at first glance this looks like "intelligence" ... but after a read it's more like "2 + 2 = 4".
leveymg
(36,418 posts)A good analyst can tell you a lot about what is known as methods and sources from the way information is presented as well as the content in a document. That is the primary reason why foreign source information is "classified at birth."
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Looks like early retirement is approaching fast.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)lmbradford
(517 posts)sunlight on these emails, thank you grasswire
MisterP
(23,730 posts)for "intel" from Bush-bashing CIA agent Tyler Drumheller--a lot of gossip, but the gist was "France wants to seize Libya" and that seems to have awakened the spirit of Fashoda in Clinton; Drumheller was Blumenthal's business partner in Osprey Global Solutions, which stood to profit immensely from Qaddafi's fall: of course the very militias that Drumheller/Blumenthal warned about were exactly what'd make Osprey never get off the ground
https://news.vice.com/article/libyan-oil-gold-and-qaddafi-the-strange-email-sidney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011
WaPo rates it 4 Pinocchios--and promptly makes the story more damning than you could've thought
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/10/20/the-false-claim-that-clinton-relied-on-sid-blumenthal-for-most-of-her-intelligence-on-libya/
leveymg
(36,418 posts)There was some excellent reporting on that by The Intercept/Democracy Now's Jonathan Scahill, tied in with the server earlier this Spring here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568784
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/24/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-under-federal-investigation/
MisterP
(23,730 posts)she's their product
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Setting up a Nonprofit in their own names, they can funnel income through the Foundation, receiving benefits tax-free on the other side which are in turn recycled, building wealth. It's a classic tool of wealth management used by the Rockefeller, Melon, DuPont, etc families for generations to avoid paying taxes on the bulk of their riches.
The difference here is that the Clintons are building political capital, IOUs, and international influence, as well as financial wealth. This little problem with the FBI may require some adjustment in their projected Net Worths.
amborin
(16,631 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)While not a fan of the Observer, it does detail aspects of who exactly Blumenthal is and how his access to Clintons is troubling to put it mildly.
http://observer.com/2015/11/just-who-is-sidney-blumenthal-the-clintons-closest-advisor/
To cite another striking example, Mr. Blumenthal sent then-Secretary of State Ms. Clinton reports on the political situation in Libya written by a former senior CIA officer, the recently deceased Tyler Drumheller. Those reports, which Mr. Blumenthal emailed to her in 2011 and 2012, apparently were intended to influence American policy toward Libya in a way favorable to a business project with which Mr. Blumenthal and Mr. Drumheller were involved.
Mr. Drumheller, who retired in 2005, was an incompetent head of the CIAs European division during the cold war and as Al Qaeda rose to prominence. And Europe was his primary area of expertise; he had no useful knowledge about Libya, multiple sources have told me. Tyler was probably just using information he got from his old retired friends in Italian intelligence, and all of those guys put their business interests ahead of everything else, one former senior CIA officer who knew Mr. Drumheller well said. Blumenthals the same way; theres something wrong with him morally.
According to The New York Times, the memos, written in the style of intelligence cables, make up about a third of the almost 900 pages of emails related to Libya that Ms. Clinton said she kept on the personal email account she used exclusively as secretary of state. (Note here that the Times story claimed Mr. Blumenthal had written the memos in question, when in fact he appears to have merely passed on Mr. Drumhellers work to Ms. Clinton.)
But put aside the whole issue of Benghazi and focus on a few other aspects of Sidney Blumenthals résumé and consider what it says about Ms. Clintons judgment that she considers him one of her closest advisors.
...
Going back to the Bill Clinton impeachment crisis, Mr. Blumenthal, then the presidents special adviser, spread false rumors that one of Kenneth Starrs prosecutors abused young boys at a Christian summer camp and that Monica Lewinsky was stalking the president. In 1995, Mr. Blumenthal told reporters that Alma Powell, Colin Powells wife, suffered from clinical depression and was thus unfit to be a first lady.
...
He encouraged the Clinton campaign to exploit Mr. Obamas relationship to Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and tried to push out to the media bogus stories about Mr. Obamas alleged ties to Louis Farrakhan.
...
When President Obama was running against Ms. Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries, Mr. Blumenthal sent dozens of anti-Obama articles from far-right publications to reporters and others, smearing Ms. Clintons rival. Much of what he sent was sub-conspiracy theory material and had no basis in fact. Mr. Blumenthal was also a proponent of playing the race card against President Obama in the most unsavory way.
...
Mr. Blumenthal was paid as a consultant at least $120,000 annually by the Clinton Foundation, though no one knows for sure how much he received because the foundations accounting procedures are shoddy. But whatever the amount, it was quite a tidy haul, and its not clear at all what work he performed for the foundation, or if the money was simply given to him as payment for past services performed for the Clinton family.
...
He was paid that money while he was offering Ms. Clinton unsolicited advice about Libya policywhich she passed around even after other administration officials concluded it was rubbishand when he was, according to the Times, also working on and off as a paid consultant to Media Matters and American Bridge, organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Ms. Clintons 2016 campaign. (Media Matters, which was founded by Blumenthal protégé and professional Clinton propagandist David Brock, pays him $200,000 annually, according to The New York Post.)
The email in the op's writer from Blumenthal specifically gives a pertinent example of a man accountable to no one and unappointed can directly modify decisions at the highest levels of government.
Just one more example on the Mt. Everest pile of HRC's poor judgments.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)DRIP, DRIP, DRIP, SPURT...
Merryland
(1,134 posts)"intellectual self-promoter, semi-useful, semi-joke figure." Isn't that kind of what he comes across as? Along with awesome brown-noser?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Thanks, grasswire!
The idea of promoting her for making such a mess of her job as SoS, is simply put, sickening. Who, in their right mind, would put her in charge of the entire country after this? How insane is that?
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)bonemachine
(757 posts)Dont you remember that nobody cares about this?
No one cares, dammit!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)"classified." That is what HRC said. Nothing was merked "classified" or TS at the time.