Email ShmeeMail. Much ado about very little. There is a MUCH bigger fish to fry.

[RBInMaine]

Email protocol was a problem across administrations for decades back. The report from the a few days ago told us little to nothing new. It is just more corporate media trying to get headlines and sell papers.

Where is the shouting among the right wingers to "Indict Colin Powell!!!!" Other high ranking officials also used private email accounts. Not a sound, of course. Pure political shit. At the state level in the large state of Florida, Jeb Bush did the same thing as governor. Not a sound of the crazy right wingers, of course.

Sorry Hillary Haters, no laws broken, no hand-wringing conspiracies. She has released over 50,000 mails, has turned over the server, and has completely cooperated with the inquiries. This continues to be much ado about very little. Time to move on.

We have FrankenTrump to beat. The man Bernie calls a "disaster." The guy Elizabeth Warren is working overtime to defeat. The stakes are SO high. We must unite behind our nominee, plain and simple.

[RBInMaine]

45. Bernie has LOST. Deal with it.

[morningfog]

2. The OIG made clear that laws were violated.

And it is a lie that she has cooperated. She refused to cooperate with the OIG.

And at least four emails have been uncovered by the OIG which she should have produced but did not.

This list goes on. This is not going away anytime soon and will be a millstone around her neck in the GE/

[LiberalFighter]

33. I have read the OIG report. Where does it say that Clinton violated any laws?

[morningfog]

43. p.23 "she did not comply with the Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with

the Federal Records Act."

Department policies are administrative laws. The OIG wrote, in black and white that she did not comply with the law.

Also on p. 23, "Secretary Clinton's production was incomplete" with respect to her production of 55,000 pages of emails to mitigate her failure to properly preserve Federal records.

On p. 25, her "staff failed to comply with Department policies intended to implement NARA regulations, because none of these emails were preserved in Department record-keeping systems," referring to "more than 7.5 gigabytes of electronic data."

[morningfog]

44. On p. 37, "DS and IRM did not-and would not- approve her exclusive

reliance on a personal email account to conduct to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the FAM and the security risks in doing so."

[RBInMaine]

46. It's bullshit hype.

[MsFlorida]

3. Repeat after me----SERVER

[cliffordu]

8. ^^THIS^^^^

[vintx]

15. her fans :

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. This guy needs "Herstory" written on his forehead in lipstick.

Then it would be a perfect graphic.

[uponit7771]

21. ... that was in the residence before she got there... seeing you forgot that part

[lagomorph777]

25. So...she moved into a house with some random computer in the basement and decided

to run State Department business on it? And that's a GOOD thing?

[RBInMaine]

47. Repeat after me: No One Gives A Fuck. It's small potatoes.

[tabasco]

48. Yah, the FBI investigates stuff they don't give a fuck about

and they love to investigate small potatoes that nobody gives a fuck about.

[bobbobbins01]

4. She would be the face of the Democratic Party and the USA

I'd prefer the head of both of those not be a symbol of corruption and dishonesty. At this point even if she doesn't get indicted, she makes us all look bad.

[polly7]

5. What about using the private server she used to communicate with Blumenthal - who'd

been banned by Obama - as an adviser re Libya (also representing clients with interests in a post-war Libya), being paid through her Foundation, and whose completely wrong 'intelligence' she used (with no ability for scrutiny) to persuade Obama to intervene in a sovereign nation on the '7 countries in 5 years' hit list and help cause that horror, as well as all of the resulting suffering for millions since?

So much ado about so little? The IS and Boko Haram freaks who were let lose to fill the vacuums in Iraq and Libya created have burned people alive - among so many other atrocities. Is that nothing? Without Blumenthal's 'info', an ambivalent Obama may not have been pushed over the line for that 51-49 vote. Clinton told Blumenthal to 'keep em coming'. Another email celebrated getting Obama onboard as an early Christmas present!

Barack Obama says Libya was 'worst mistake' of his presidency.

Meanwhile, millions are either dead, maimed physically and mentally, orphaned, dying at sea, refugees in dangerous refugee camps where women (who'd previously been allowed many, many freedoms now denied by the fundamentalists now running those countries) and children are kidnapped and raped and murdered.

Nothing to care about, though. I don't understand this at all

And check out this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=7857478

[mmonk]

6. The key is to not be the fish that gets fried.

[MaeScott]

17. So kicked.

[Sancho]

7. You are correct...nothing new.

We know there were backups in addition to the .gov records. It's amazing that any government office that size archived that much email. Good job.

We also know that the report "didn't find evidence of permission", but that's not surprising. No one documents every conversation and opinion and meeting. Not finding evidence for some minor past practice doesn't mean that it didn't happen, just that there was not legally admissible evidence. Why would there be a decade later?

The report simply points out the system was out-dated and impractical for the entire State Dept. Isn't it crazy to think that Condi didn't use email at all - and she was the Provost of Stanford!! Yea, right.

The Blemmings will make a big deal out of this (again). It's like birth certificates - nothing new. Some original CTs will crop up. Most of the public is bored.

Like they said on the Daily Show last night..."Did the email get where it was supposed to go? If so then shut the fuck up! What's a server? Who cares?"

Exactly. No one cares about arcane rules. Did Hillary do a good job? Yes!! Did she use a particular email? No one cares!!

[ljm2002]

19. "What's a server? Who cares?"

I suspect you and the Daily Show are going to get an education on who cares over the next few weeks.

Hint: managing a server connected to the Internet, and specifically managing a server that includes email services, is a BFD. When that server contains all of the emails of the US Secretary of State, that is an even Bigger FD.

[uponit7771]

22. Polling results show that it's mostly reThugs that care... the rest of America could give a damn

[TheSarcastinator]

32. keep whispering that to yourself

If you believe it, it must be true.

[LiberalFighter]

35. That server was not the only repository of the emails stored on it.

[lagomorph777]

27. "We know there were backups in addition to the .gov records"

Yup. clintonemail.com has been backed up in Romania, Fallujah, Pyongyang, Moscow....

[Fikari]

37. "Did the email get where it was supposed to go?"

One of the concerns is about who might have read it on its way to its destination, which without encryption (and we know Hillary wasn't using any for a while) could be anyone.

[Fawke Em]

54. "Did Hillary do a good job? "

No. Not at all.

Libya
Syria
Honduras
Haiti

What significant positive incident did she usher in?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2611338/State-Department-spokeswoman-Hillary-Clintons-diplomatic-achievements-neither-Hillary-Clinton.html#v-3499536198001

[99Forever]

9. Email ShmeeMail, my ass.

Nominate her and watch the GOP latch on to this self-inflicted total fuckup like a junkyard pitbull.

Then see how much effect a wave off from Her Royal Arrogance hand has.

[deathrind]

51. Yep...

It will make their efforts on Bengazi look like...really little fish...

[Raster]

52. The email/server issue is just the tip of the iceberg.

The bigger issue is the pay-for-play mechanics of The Clinton Foundation and how Clinton - while Secretary of State - used her office and State Department infrastructure to attend to the business of the Foundation while "on the clock" as Secretary of State. Among the issues to be explored will be influence peddling and access for profit. The "private email server" allowed Clinton to play both sides of the fence at the same time. The server had been previously used by Bill Clinton and had been vetted by the Secret Service to allow it to access the official US Government networks, even though she had no permission to do so in that manner, and the server was not ever intended to be a secure email server for active State Department business. In addition, by using a private email server, Clinton hoped to shield her more damning emails from FOIA requests, consciously breaking the law for personal gain.

THIS. IS. NOT. OVER. Hillary Clinton may well be the Democratic nominee, but she is now under a cloud that is NOT GOING AWAY an only getting bigger.

[pinebox]

10. America does NOT trust Hillary

and this just solidifies all it even more.
She is toast in a general should she be the nominee.

[Nonhlanhla]

11. Is it too much to ask

that Bernie supporters at least not use this to attack Hillary? It is not going to give Bernie the nomination, so attacking Hillary on this is really only helping Trump. The GOP will attack her on this, that's for sure. But our own people, or at even non-Democratic progressives who care about not electing Trump, should not be piling on as well. Geez.

It's clear she made some mistakes. It's also extremely clear that the system was very outdated, and that a lot of people in State, including Hillary's predecessors, did not limit themselves to the official email system.

[Fawke Em]

55. Is it too much to ask that we don't have a nominee under a criminal investigation?

I think she's guilty of a crime, myself, so why shouldn't I question her judgment?

I won't be voting for her - and this is one of the reasons why.

[Nonhlanhla]

56. Not voting for her means helping Trump

a man who is a racist, a misogynist, and a dangerous egomaniac, who also happens to be accused of rape.

This is a two party system. It's going to be Hillary or Trump. You choose. Not choosing, sitting on the sidelines, voting 3rd party - all of that still plays a role in choosing between these two. There is no escaping this responsibility.

It's a matter of priorities.

[cali]

12. Sigh.

[B Calm]

13. We won't have a nominee until the convention. Then we unite.

[think]

14. Yes. That's why this recent story is on the front page of most papers across the globe

Because it's not important...

[Scuba]

16. Once again, Hillary's supporters see no problem with her behavior ...

[MaeScott]

18. Lol!

[uponit7771]

20. +1, Hillary left the cover page off the TPS report and these guys lose their shit

[TheSarcastinator]

24. Derp-a-derp-a-derp-a-derp-a-doo!

Yeah, secure email full of classified info is JUST LIKE a "TPS" report from the film "Office Space". You Hillarians sure are smart.

[madville]

23. I think Biden will be the nominee

Just a feeling, he'll pick up all Hillary's delegates at the convention.

[TheSarcastinator]

26. Pay No Attention to the Federal Investigation Behind the Curtain!

Instead, focus on the big bad man....that our candidate cannot beat.

Great work, Hillarians. You sure know how to pick 'em.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. I'll post this, again ...

It seems that there are Policies and Regulations (which the report indicates were violated) and Agency/Office/Departmental Practices (which the report indicates were followed, instead).

It would seem, the only folks that would be outraged by the following of Agency/Office/Departmental Practices over the Policies and Regulations, would be partisan, agenda pushers; or, people that have never worked a job, or are willing to ignore what they experienced/learned on that job.

Agency/Office/Departmental Practices that conflict with Policies and Regulations develop over time as work-arounds for those doing the day to day work because the Policies and Regulations are too unyielding. Further, the work-arounds are never an issue unless/until something goes wrong. In this case, the "go wrong" was the right needed a stick ... the bigger "go wrong" is Bernie supporters are proving, more than willing to swing that stick.

Finally, I will say ... my, above, Bernie supporters comment is based how they are presenting themselves on DU. And, I limit it to DU, because I really never hear or see the topic outside of DU ... other than from naked partisans of the right. But that said, looking at the body of the posts/arguments of the most outraged DUers, I am starting to doubt their presentation as Bernie supporters.

[apnu]

30. Its a big deal

She ran around security policies and procedures because they seemed inconvenient to her. Albright, Powell, and Rice all had their issues too, but they did nothing like this.

Skipping security meetings?

Using the server even after she's told not to?

Not turning the server over when she left the position to preserve records?

Needing a court order and a few embarrassing visits to Capital Hill to produce the records?

Producing them on paper and not giving government security staff access to the server to verify its integrity?

All of that is very very very bad. Illegal, no, but very bad. Every Info. Sec. person working in the world knows how bad this is. Ask anyone.

She used an insecure server to conduct state business, it was low hanging fruit for hacker to compromise. And it seems very likely it was compromised but she's still playing hard to get about it.

I'll support her in the GE, if she's there, only because Trump is 1000 times worse than Hillary. But Hillary as a choice, after this clusterfuck, stinks to high heaven.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

36. Powell was the first S of S to USE email

There were no protocols in place at the time. They were making up the rules as they went along, so Powel doesn't even count in this litany. (Seems like email has been around forever, huh? )

[apnu]

38. Not sure why you're giving cover to a man who flat out lied about Iraq.

Powell is either a craven liar or he's fundamentally stupid to be duped so easily by Bush and Cheney.

Yes security was rudimentary in 2000, but it did exist. I ran mail servers for a big company then, we had pretty good rules and regs internally and Federal auditors hadn't addressed security like they do now, but basic email security was still known then to the intelligence and security community.

So while they were making it up as they went, the knowledge was there of how to secure communications. And while you might take me to task for my "litany", the IG does specifically mention Powell and does specifically mention failures. Its no excuse to say "well they didn't know back then" a security failure is a security failure. Exploiting ignorance is one for the most dangerous tools in the hacker's tool box.

Powell used private email to conduct state business, that's bad. Maybe at the time they thought it was a good idea, maybe at the time they thought it was their only option as they were setting up government email system, its still a bad idea.

However, as I said, its nothing on the scale of Hillary's server. In a time when the regs did exist, were well tested and reasoned, and security was effective. While Powell made poor, ignorant, decisions on email security, Hillary found a way to run around the system.

That's shockingly bad. Not just because Hillary worked so hard to circumvent policy. Anybody who works in Info. Sec. knows that's typical user behavior when they're annoyed with the inconveniences of security. It is far worse than Hillary's conduct because multiple levels of our government failed to do something about it. In the emails, there are pentagon communications, NSA, CIA... you name it. They all turned a blind eye to Hillary's private server. No one at the CIA thought, "Hey we can't talk to her on insecure channels, we should insist only communicating with her state.gov address"

In my job, we have a records retention rule, all email must be logged and vaulted. I have people who try to run around that by sending email to my personal account which they found through LinkedIn or Facebook. I can't stop them from emailing me, but I can say "don't email me here, email me there" and I'll send that email from my work account so it is recorded. Its really that simple, yet multiple government agencies continued to communicate with Hillary, knowing its a violation of regulations?

The real problem is a systemic breakdown of our security policies, and it broke at the human level.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

39. "Cover for Powell?"

Email may have been around, but Powell was the first Secretary of State to use email. That is the only point I'm making.

Yes, there were security failures at many levels, but you have to ask yourself "Why?" People are paid to maintain secure systems. Unfortunately, some people weren't interested in that because they couldn't hide what they were doing.

[apnu]

42. I have been asking "why"

That's the crux of it. What I'm saying is the security failure here goes way beyond Hillary. I think focusing solely on her is a mistake. We aren't learning from what happened here and strengthening our systems for it. This email thing has become a political football, and so the real security work is going to suffer for it.

My personal theory is this: Hillary didn't like what the State Department's IT staff offered for email communications. Obama, then, didn't either. But he used what they had for the President to use and worked to have a more connected system. Hillary didn't. Hillary chose to use her old mail sever because it was more convenient for her than the state.gov system. Then, when people started citing rules and regs about it, and that her server did not comply, she began a campaign of avoidance to use what she thought was convenient. As this thing slowly exlpoded, avoidance became "cover your butt" because the cat was now out of the bag. And everything that she's done and others who touched that server have also done, is cover their asses as best they can.

[B Calm]

34. She proved she can't be trusted with our national security. Much ado about a lot!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

40. She has very serious legal problems that can't be spun. This isn't going away.

It's only going to get worse. We've been saying this for awhile now.

[TheBlackAdder]

41. There are bigger fish, there are smaller fish. . . This small fish appears to be a piranaha.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Gee, Dana Milbank- You know, the same Dana Milbank who was team HRC's favorite pundit back when

he wrote that "The Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders" -- geezus, how many times did we see that thing linked and quoted (selectively, of course) here?

---yeah, that Dana Milbank over at the WaPo seems to think she's got a genuine problem on her hands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-the-new-report-on-hillary-clintons-email-is-so-damning/2016/05/27/e02d4f3a-2402-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

The inspector general’s bottom line wasn’t good: “She did not comply with the department’s policies.” But the description of Clinton’s secrecy was worse. When one State staffer raised concern about Clinton’s private email, this person was told “that the secretary’s personal system had been reviewed and approved by department legal staff and that the matter was not to be discussed any further.” Investigators found no evidence of such a review.

What they found was stonewalling by Clinton and her aides — and this, not mishandled email, is what tripped up Fallon as he tried to defend the candidate to Blitzer this week.

“It looks as if she’s got something to hide which she doesn’t even want to answer questions from the inspector general of the State Department,” the veteran anchor argued.

Fallon, a skilled flack, tried to argue that Clinton and her aides prioritized the similar Justice Department investigation and were cooperating with that one. Then he insinuated that “there were hints of an anti-Clinton bias” in the IG’s office.

And as you say, she's pretty much "our" nominee, now.

So.... thanks a fucking lot.

[Bill USA]

50. you OBVIOUSLY don't know that Hillary is THE ANTI-CHRIST. to understand contact Karl Rove or RNC