2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary; knew when the Investigator General's Report came out that it would be devastating,
that's why she canceled the last debate with Bernie, in order to avoid national scrutiny over the obvious contradiction against a year's worth of blatant lies on the subject and to run out the clock.
If Hillary makes it to the general election, I don't know how she will avoid this issue against Trump, canceling those debates will be infinitely more difficult without just handing the election to him in November.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Just FYI
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)to behave when on the winning side? I keep wondering that.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)You heap the abuse on and expect us to just take it?
Physician heal thyself!
randome
(34,845 posts)She's still winning.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)what the final vote/pledged delegate tally will be until after the June 7th primaries.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)If it wasn't for the server it wouldn't even be a question right now and Hillary would probably be the first female president. It's looking Less and less likely now.
Self inflected.
New Earth
(9,745 posts)it has nothing to do with thinking she's won. She knows she will be asked about it by the moderators and it will ruin it her. She is terrible at defending herself against things she's guilty for and will dig herself a deeper hole.
Bob41213
(491 posts)As long as she gets the questions first and they're underhand pitches... And the moderator doesn't follow up...
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)This Editorial from a newspaper than endorsed her earlier in the race.
Hillary Clinton, Drowning in Email
Hillary Clintons campaign for the presidency just got harder with the release of the State Department inspector generals finding that significant security risks were posed by her decision to use a private email server for personal and official business while she was secretary of state. Contrary to Mrs. Clintons claims that the department had allowed the arrangement, the inspector general also found that she had not sought or received approval to use the server.
So far, no security breaches have been reported; a separate F.B.I. investigation is looking into that. But above and beyond security questions, the inspector generals report is certain to fuel doubts about Mrs. Clintons trustworthiness, lately measured as a significant problem for her in public polls.
This defensive posture seems at play in the email controversy, as well as her refusal, for that matter, to release the lucrative speeches she made to Wall Street audiences. The reflex she is revealing again now to hunker down when challenged is likely to make her seem less personable to many voters, and it will surely inflame critics charges of an underlying arrogance.
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When Republicans first questioned the propriety of using her own home-based server over a year ago, Mrs. Clinton sought to finesse the matter as partisan flak. Under pressure, she eventually apologized for a mistake, while insisting she had done nothing wrong and would cooperate fully with investigators. But she did not honor that promise, according to the report, which noted that she declined to be interviewed by the inspector general, Steve Linick, or his staff.
When State Department staff members questioned her use of a nongovernmental email address in 2010, the report said, they were instructed by superiors never to speak of the secretarys personal email system again. The sharply critical report found that, contrary to her earlier insistence that the practice was allowed, Mrs. Clinton had not sought permission to use the server, and that permission would have been denied under the departments evolving policy to better protect Internet communications.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/hillary-clinton-drowning-in-email.html?_r=0
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Most crucially, the inspector general directly contradicts Clinton's repeated assertions that she complied both with federal law and State Department policies. "At a minimum," the report finds, "Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."
The report goes further, noting that while Clinton's subsequent production of 55,000 pages of emails in response to State Department demands partially corrected these violations, the records Clinton turned over were incomplete. Remarkably, the report includes reference to a previously unreleased 2010 email in which Clinton, responding to her deputy chief of staff for operations, Huma Abedin, directly addresses her lack of an official State Department email account and voices a fear of the "risk of the personal being accessible" if she had one. In a briefing, State Department officials were unable to confirm the source of this email, but if it was omitted from the records Clinton produced, it again would raise questions about the process she used to distinguish between "federal records" and "personal records" before destroying the latter.
The inspector general also reveals the comments of State Department records management staff in late 2010 expressly raising concerns that Clinton's private email server "could contain federal records that needed to be preserved in order to satisfy federal record-keeping requirements." A senior official rebuffed these concerns, claiming that Clinton's email arrangement "had been approved by the department legal staff" -- an assertion the inspector general concluded was untrue -- and directed staff "never to speak of the secretary's personal email system again."
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/opinions/clinton-email-server-ig-report-opinion-cox/
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)She also violated her signed security NDA, which is direct violation of law. This detail was not investigated (or at least reported) by the State IG...that is in the FBI's hands.
Autumn
(45,091 posts)Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)How can it be cancelled if it was never scheduled?
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)May is here now and Hillary just canceled.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)There is bad news in them and her supporters don't demand any transparency from her. So why should she release them? The Clinton response to every scandal for the last 25 years has been to stonewall and impugn the integrity of the people trying to hold them accountable to normal standards of behavior and disclosure.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)An alternative to the transcripts including statements that would be politically difficult for her, there is, in the absence of evidence, the possibility that the presentations were almost totally vacuous.
That would present a -very- different question from Americans--"She got paid multiple $100K for -THAT????" That revelation could be very difficult for democrats looking at the wealth-gap and economic justice.
I believe that this possibility shouldn't be dismissed too quickly as it comports with comments made by people who attended some of the presentations.
amborin
(16,631 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)because she doesn't have to. She has effectively won the nomination.
Let Sanders debate a chair if he wants to.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)a chair with her name on it.
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)presumptive nominee although she probably wishes it were so.
The primary is still ongoing and nobody knows what the final vote/delegate tally will be until after the June 7th primaries.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)and fewer and fewer people are listening.
Anyone grounded in reality knows that this contest is over
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)to the contrary.
Anyone grounded in reality would know that.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)and maybe it will come true!
You guys are like Linus in the pumpkin patch.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)So here is your choice: a true fascist egomaniac who spouts delusions of grandeur, or a self entitled authoritarian who follows her own rules and constantly shows poor judgement skirting criminal behavior.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)She and those that wish her to be crowned
Dont care about intent or the quid pro quos
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Let's them do the dirty work then invokes attorney client privilege when there is heat. Really the old mob model.
I was once told that the real purpose of law school is not to learn the law but determine who should and should not be an attorney.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)The law is our friend
And lawyers are our........???
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)A lousy campaigner, but she's obviously a smart lawyer. She needs to be to cover her poor judgement and outright disregard of the law.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)As for the report, the only people who think it was "devastating" didn't bother to read the recommendations and conclusions at the end.
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)the Investigator General's Report was due to come out.
The report is bad, it contradicts what Hillary has been stating for almost a year and it reflects poorly to say the least in regards to her judgement not to mention leadership.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)She's going after Trump now and she's been quite good doing it.
I don't think that her cancelling had anything to do with the IG report. She knew that debates always favor the guy who's losing so she cancelled. I would have too.
It's a political move. Just like Bernie's desire to debate Trump is a political move. However, I doubt that the debate will work to Bernie's advantage.
But it will be great political theatre.
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)I stated that she did this to avoid national scrutiny over the devastating Investigator General's Report at the debate.
I also stated that Hillary won't have the opportunity to avoid debates or national scrutiny over this subject against Trump in a general election and if she backs out of those debates; subject to her being the nominee, kiss November good bye.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That bird ain't going to fly no more, darling. Birdie Sanders was cut down to size by Hillary Clinton.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)She canceled the debate because she knew the IG report was coming out at the same time as Ken Starr was fired from Baylor. It was all designed to highlight that last point -the ignorant blowhards from the 90s who tried to put her into the ground and failed.
See? I can construct wild scenarios with the best of them.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So our day is fine and dandy. Too bad Clintons is spent lawyering up and ducking the media.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)by not pushing her out to the front of the democratic nominees.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It's just Bernie supporters wishing that The indictment fairy will show up and save Bernie
senz
(11,945 posts)They held up a flawed candidate with a long history of shady behavior and career stumbles and presented her as the only option for Democrats. It was a foolish move. We hear about Bill and Hillary's hit list and their behind-the-scenes arm-twisting, but the Democratic Party should have resisted the political pressures and kept their eye on what would work best in the long run.
They of course did not anticipate Bernie Sanders and thought he, with his openly anti-establishment views and lack of establishment support, would fade away. The misread -- or simply ignored -- the will of the American people.
They never gave Martin O'Malley a chance, and no other truly viable Democrats dared to compete with the clear favorite.
So they are stuck with something increasingly unpalatable to the American people, and their high-money backers will not let them fully support the only candidate who can beat the Republicans, Bernie Sanders.