Game Over: EmailGate Just Crippled the Clinton Express

[pinebox]

Yup yup!
Seriously, this thing isn't going to go away. Now now, Not ever.
Hillary specifically told staff never to bring it up or mention it. She and her staff refused to answer questions. Hillary knew it was wrong and knowingly did this and that is shown in her outright arrogance when she didn't ask permission because she would have been told "NO". On top of that, Hillary was fully aware that the rules had changed from when Secretary Powell was SOS, whose mission was to bring the State Department up to modern times with using email.

Folks, she is toast.

http://observer.com/2016/05/game-over-emailgate-just-crippled-the-clinton-express/

[lagomorph777]

1. She's toast.

That's why Trump is considering a Sanders debate. Trump had hoped to face Hillary in the GE, but now he will be stuck with an actual opponent.

[NorthCarolina]

221. She will receive a full pardon from Obama if necessary. -nt-

[CorporatistNation]

222. Hillary Is Done! Get Out The Golden FORK! It's NOT Going To Be Pretty Here On Out... But IT Is...

FINALLY HAPPENING! Thankfully!

[NCTraveler]

2. How many times can she be toast?

I've been hearing it from republicans for decades.

[puffy socks]

37. It's like all those predictions

of the end of the world!


They just keep finding new apocalypses.

[TheBlackAdder]

53. Perhaps she's like Prometheus. Each day eagles nosh on her and the next morning she is regenerated.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

62. Lol were you in a coma in 2008? People were calling here toast, then, too.

[NCTraveler]

67. Decades. Nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

80. She's never been president. She ran once. It didn't go well for her. Toast. She's not president.

[NCTraveler]

112. When did I ever say she was President?

This is getting hilarious.

[KPN]

71. She's only got nine lives ...

and she's already used eight of them.

[NCTraveler]

76. The proclamation that it's over for her...

Has been made way more than eight times. You make a great point that they all carry about the same weight as superstition.

[yodermon]

86. Comey is getting a 2nd crack at her. Very rare opportunity for him. He's a repub.

You think he's gonna pull his punches?

[NCTraveler]

114. No, he will pull no punches.

Will you agree with that?

Something tells me you won't in a month or so. So, will you agree here that he is going to pull no punches?

[yodermon]

182. “a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.”

That's what Comey said about her during the freaking WHITEWATER investigation.

[div class="excerpt" style="box-shadow: 10px 10px 5px #888888;"]Hillary Clinton was personally involved in mishandling documents and had ordered others to block investigators as they pursued their case. Worse, her behavior fit into a pattern of concealment: she and her husband had tried to hide their roles in two other matters under investigation by law enforcement. Taken together, the interference by White House officials, which included destruction of documents, amounted to “far more than just aggressive lawyering or political naiveté,” Comey and his fellow investigators concluded. It constituted “a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.”

http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/

Now he's got another shot at her and for some reason you are trusting him? this Repuke? to just let her slide?

If he chooses to NOT recommend indictment then I will fully admit I was wrong.

Problem is, anything less than a FULL EXONERATION and full-throated dismissal of all these email issues by the FBI will still serve as fodder for Trump and the repukes in the fall. There is already plenty enough material for them to draw from; *they* have been pulling their punches on the email scandal because they don't want to empower Bernie.

[NCTraveler]

183. When did I say I trusted him?

That is simply dishonest.

The flailing is amazing.

[yodermon]

187. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

Sorry. It's just that Hillary supporters are very sanguine about the FBI investigation, which seems weird what with Comey at the helm.

Even if you believe that the current evidence isn't enough to recommend charges, Comey's demonstrated anti-Clinton rhetoric should be cause for concern, I would think.

There is an implicit "trust" of Comey to not recommend charges, is there not?

[NCTraveler]

189. I do not "trust" him in quotation marks either.

1) To this point I see zero reason for indictment.
2) Things are wrapping up and they have yet to call up a Grand Jury in the matter. A step I believe would have happened by now.
3) It isn't about trust in Comey to me. I think that is a strange metric that you are placing importance in.
4) Every Berner here has employed anti-Clinton rhetoric. I have employed anti-Clinton rhetoric. Who gives a shit?

[HooptieWagon]

162. He's an Obama appointee.

If he's not carrying out Obamas orders then he would be replaced.

[BainsBane]

96. I've been hearing it on this site for at least nine months

So many false predictions, yet they never stop making them. I'd think at a certain point people would just admit they can't foretell the future.

[NV Whino]

124. She can be bernt toast.

[NCTraveler]

133. Lol. Now you are just mocking Sanders supporters.

Funny though.

[JoePhilly]

142. The Bernouts know this is their only hope.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

165. If so, our hopes are rising.

And aren't you an insulting sob?

[JoePhilly]

186. Those hopes are about to hit a ceiling.

And given the endless nasty OPs from Bernie folks, I'm no longer pulling punches.

If you want to dish it out, prepare to take it right back.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

214. Typical. Expectorated. And fitting, given the caliber of your candidate.

[SidDithers]

6. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

216. Welcome to reality, Sid.

[SidDithers]

218. Oh look. The zombie was PPR'd again...

Real enough for you?

Sid

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

237. Oh, DU always is so real...especially with

the unfolding email/server mess and watching team weathervane fall over themselves with excuses.

[Darb]

8. Try again.

This time think harder.

[yourpaljoey]

4. Wonder if Hill knows she's done. Who will tell her and when?

[Hiraeth]

5. Nobody tells Hillary anything!! That is part of her problem.

[yourpaljoey]

12. I think she still believes she will be President - how will she react when she finds out?

[Hiraeth]

25. Hope there is plenty of Ativan on board.

[Bob41213]

36. I wonder how poor Huma is going to break it to her...

Probably give her lots of gum before breaking the bad news.

[Cobalt Violet]

68. maybe she can be president of something else.

Something other than our country.

[pdsimdars]

192. Cell-block president ???

[Yurovsky]

235. Naw, she'll get pardoned & be the President of Goldman Sachs...

because greed and dishonesty are resume builders there...

[pdsimdars]

191. Time for an intervention?

[onehandle]

7. Cool story, bro. nt

[notadmblnd]

227. Yeah, real cool story.

What was so important, so sensitive that Hillary had to dodge FOIA altogether? Clearly protecting her private life—whatever that might be—was valued more highly by Ms. Clinton than actually heading the Department of State.

What she was seeking to hide so ardently remains one of the big unanswered questions in EmailGate. Hints may be found in the recent announcement that Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, the former head of the Democratic National Committee and a longtime Clinton intimate, is under FBI investigation for financial misdeeds, specifically dirty money coming from China. In fact, Mr. McAulliffe invited one of his Beijing benefactors over to Ms. Clinton’s house in 2013. Not long after, Chinese investors donated $2 million to the Clinton Foundation.

That an illegal pay-for-play-scheme, with donations to the Clinton Foundation being rewarded by political favors from Hillary Clinton—who when she was secretary of state had an enormous ability to grant favors to foreign bidders—existed at the heart of EmailGate has been widely suspected, and we know the FBI is investigating this case as political corruption, not just for mishandling of classified information. That certainly would be something Ms. Clinton would not have wanted the public to find out about via FOIA.

As is their wont, Hillary’s loyal defenders are denouncing the State IG report as yet another “nothingburger,” adding with customary conspiratorial flair: “there are some real questions about the impartiality of the IG.” In this take, we are supposed to believe that the head of State’s IG office, appointed by President Obama, is a clandestine GOP operative.

Such escapism masquerading as hot takes won’t work anymore. Even The Washington Post, hardly a member of the VRWC, has conceded that EmailGate is a certifiably big deal, and “badly complicates Clinton’s past explanations about the server.” Its editors went further, issuing a blistering statement castigating Ms. Clinton’s “inexcusable, willful disregard of the rules.” They minced no words: “Ms. Clinton had plenty of warnings to use official government communications methods, so as to make sure that her records were properly preserved and to minimize cybersecurity risks. She ignored them.”

[One Black Sheep]

9. It's all over but the shouting

Hillary should have known this would catch up with her, she should gracefully withdraw, and then endorse Bernie, before she takes the whole Democratic party down with her.

[StevieM]

174. Cool story. But here is what is really going to happen.

Hillary will stay in the race. She will win California, New Jersey and New Mexico, at which point she will be recognized as the presumptive nominee. She will be formally nominated at the convention. And she will defeat Donald Trump in November to become the next president of the United States.

As for Bernie somehow becoming the nominee, here is a better question: What if Hillary passes away of natural causes before the convention? Because that is more likely to happen then the scenario that you are envisioning.

If that were to happen then Bernie still wouldn't be the nominee. The convention would turn to either Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren.

[leveymg]

204. The only really accurate thing in that is your concluding sentence:

The convention would turn to either Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren.

Her candidacy has been mortally wounded since March 2015 when it came out that she used her private email system to traffic in classified documents. However, succession planning determined that her organization should be kept together, so we've been through Kabuki Theater ever since. But, it is nearing the last Act and time for her to exit stage right.

[corkhead]

10. for some reason this picture came to mind

[Darb]

13. To a partisan maybe,

but not to normal people.

[Bob41213]

23. Have you seen her honestly ratings?

19% think she's honest. I think it's a lot more than partisans...

[Darb]

41. You mean a "poll" of her honesty?

By some network dependent upon a horse race? Yeah. Keep dreaming that those matter.

[pdsimdars]

194. poll after poll, month after month, year after year. . . .it's her M O.

You would know that by now if you bothered to be interested in facts.

[yourpaljoey]

16. That is hella photo!

I wonder how that happened.

[puffy socks]

43. Yeah

Bernie's campaign really did go off the rails.
The poor little fellow.

[pdsimdars]

193. P E R F E C T !!!

[Darb]

11. You should have given us a Pantload Alert on that one.

Only 3 farkin secretaries of state have even used email, and all of them ignored the protocols.

[B Calm]

18. But mommy, _____ did it too.

That defense don't fly with grownups!

[Darb]

44. Please.

Partisan hackery? Is that you?

It's basically untrodden ground, so, uh, keep pretending if you want to, but this doesn't mean jack shit.

[Press Virginia]

57. yeah...because no one would think to set up their own server

to funnel 100% of their e-mails through....without approval from anyone.

[Darb]

93. You in her head too?

You and a bunch of other swamis.

[Press Virginia]

117. Who needs to be in her head? It's what happened.

Well, in the real world...who knows what's going on in yours

[Darb]

123. You know her intent?

That's what make a lie a lie and a mistake a mistake. But you seem to already know her intent, because you are a swami of sorts, a mind reader.

By the way, you never got down to brass tacks, what is your problem with this whole episode? Is there anything beyond partisanship?

[Press Virginia]

129. yes. She put it in an e-mail. She was concerned about privacy.

Everything she's said, in the last year, about this issue has been an outright lie.

[Darb]

134. Says you, oh great and powerful swami.

Says you.

[Schema Thing]

138. No, she actually put it in an email. No "swami" needed.

[Darb]

140. Ok, oh great and powerful. Now tell me,

what was her intent. what was she thinking exactly when she wrote it? And by the way, how did you get that email?

[Press Virginia]

143. No. Says the e-mail cited in the IG Report released on Tuesday.

[Darb]

172. So you know her intent?

I would wager she doesn't remember that email.

You are tilting at windmills. What the fuck is your point?

[Press Virginia]

185. Does it change the fact that it exists? Nope

It directly contradicts the reason she gave for why she was using her e-mail and server.

[pdsimdars]

197. In that astroturf thing of Brock, I wonder if people get paid for the NUMBER of comments

It has been such a long time since I have even seen one of these rat holes in a thread because I have "ignored" so many people who are void of content.
You are trying very hard to explain, but at some point .. . . .
It's like one of those mothers in the super market and the kid starts throwing a fit. . . you can try a few times to reason with them but at some point, you have to realize that "he wants what he wants" and nothing else matters. . . . and that is why God gave us "ignore". Just saying. . . . . some people don't want to listen, don't want to discuss, they just want what they want and nothing you can say will change that. After a few comments, you figure this out. And it makes your whole experience here so much nicer with all the nonsense.
My little word to the wise.

[Press Virginia]

198. Oh I'm done with him. I saw another one of these last night

they're all the same

[passiveporcupine]

217. Plus, this one has a yellow button and I can see why

Already getting pretty angry. Time to say Buh Bye to the angry poster above.

plonk

[pdsimdars]

199. Here you go, perfect for you

.

[karynnj]

78. true - and it doesn't usually work for kids either -- not with me, not with my mom

Not to mention on Blitzer, she even falsely tried to equate what "previous secretaries" did - when only one used private email and did not have a server -- and then bizarrely, opted to also say Kerry did the same thing -- when he absolutely didn't.

That she would smear Kerry just to have the everybody did it argument makes me lose even the small amount of respect that I ever had for her.

So, yeah -- that argument never works and in her case, it is also not true.

[Darb]

88. More partisan hackery.

She didn't smear Kerry. Goddamn you guys are so similar to the baggers, what gives? It is very telling.

[karynnj]

95. So, saying that Kerry did the same before he was told it was illegal - when he did not is not smear?

Yes, I know that it does not rise to the level of the SBVT, but it is a lie that she is saying - I suspect because she is willing to use his good reputation for integrity to rise hers.

[Darb]

100. Another mind reader. Did you ever think that she might have been mistaken?

No, partisans never give someone the benefit of the doubt. It is always some nefarious plot to rule the world. She is Dr. Evil.

This email shit is no different that Fast and Furious or any other bag of shit.

[karynnj]

110. If she didn't know, she should not have made this accusation

She should not just make things up. I suspect she is angry that Kerry and Obama got an IG there in the first place and that Kerry suggested the inquiry.

[Darb]

131. Accusation?

You are off the mark completely. The IG was the best way to put this to bed. It was the right move and Hillary probably agrees. Notice I say probably, because I am not a mind-reading swami.

You see, Hillary has had to deal with baggers for a generation. Kerry and Obama know what that is like too, but not to the extent that Hillary has. The IG gives her closure. It won't matter to the baggers, but it will to the thinking public. Question is, will it matter to you sensational people here at DU who act like a dog with a bone.

The Democratic Underground, where the Democrats used to hang out.

[karynnj]

136. Kerry has dealt with the RW since 1971 - far longer than HRC nt

[Darb]

139. Maybe. But I don't think to the same extent.

Hillary was marked as soon as she participated in bringing down Nixon.

[karynnj]

169. Hillary was a very obscure, very minor member of the watergate team - Kerry was front and center

Morley Safer interviewed John Kerry and asked the 27 year old if he wanted to be President. Years later, Bruce Springsteen used his famous words spoken before the SFRC in a song. Kerry, not Hillary, made Nixon's enemies list. Kerry, who had broken no laws was followed by the FBI for over a year - ending with them concluding that he wasn't breaking laws! In 1972 when he ran for the House, the Nixon dirty tricks team wrote untrue stories smearing him that a local paper printed daily. The SBVT were simply the most recent variation of these same haters.

The one difference - Kerry has lived a public life, honorably and with integrity. Last Year, when he got an award as diplomat of the year, Tom Donilon, who was Obama's first NSA, said:

"John is courageous , he is tenacious, and as unusual it may seem to use a word like this in our nation's current discourse, John is a thoroughly decent,honorable individual, and he is recognized as such around the world."

That is how he has lived his life -- and that is why I care when HRC cavalierly tries to borrow from his reputation for integrity by claiming he also did the same thing - when he didn't.

[Darb]

177. Ok, you win. Kerry has been badgered. Hillary hasn't?

Why gnaw this bone? why attack the Democratic front-runner with this? besides partisanship, why gnaw on this server bullshit. If you have something to say, just say it. What did she intend to do exactly?

[karynnj]

184. What she intended to do was to avoid the legitimate scrutiny by the Congress and media

Yes, I know there are Republicans in Congress who have been having endless hearings, but that is legal and they had the right to email on various topics. In fact, the inability of the SD to give it to them, meant that things have dragged out much longer than they would have. As to the media - yeah, some of it is right wing, but the FOIA law is important for an informed populace and was something Democrats fought for.

Of course, the Clintons were badgered, but for every two or three investigations with absolutely no merit - there were things that were genuinely questionable. For instance, the Rose Law firm records that "disappeared" in the family section of the White House for two years and the profit on cattle futures.

What really bothers me, is that HRC had an opportunity of a lifetime handed her on a silver platter -- being SoS. It would have been so easy to just not give the Republicans anything new. Relations with the rest of the world were so bad, that they improved the instant Obama won -- and she was able to be the one seen as making the US popular again.

[Mother Of Four]

223. Here's the problem with continuously saying she makes "Mistakes"

... as well as "Misspeaking" or "Misstatements"

Lets give her the benefit of the doubt and every lie or hinky thing she's ever done is a mistake or she misspoke and her heart is in the absolute right place.

That would mean she is HELLA incompetent and unqualified to be president.

I don't know which one scares me more.

[XemaSab]

232. She doesn't want the inconvenience of carrying two devices

and she doesn't know how to use a desktop computer!

Lazy/Stupid 2016!

[TheKentuckian]

233. Even worse when blank is actually the lawless Bush junta.

[Jack Bone]

20. 4.....powell, rice, clinton, kerry

no...Kerry seems to be doing the correct thing...it's not difficult.

go ahead...keep comparing your candidate to two war criminals...it does your argument WONDERS!

[Darb]

50. Try again.

This time, stow your hackery. Have you ever been Secretary of State? Traveling the world over in this age of uber connectivity and instant communication necessities? Uhh, fuck no you haven't. All you are doing is griping about technical difficulties as if they matter more than a bag of shit to anyone but teabaggers and bernies.

[Jack Bone]

79. nope not SOS, but I did carry a TOP SECRET security clearance.

I understand some of the details in working with sensitive information...sign in protocols, handling procedures...how about you?

as for your "bag of shit"...many of us here went berserk when Cheney & Scooter Libby outted Valerie Plame....Hillary could've outted EVERY CIA op our nation has.

It is a VERY big freakin' deal....to insinuate anything other, is simply ridiculous.

[Darb]

85. She "could have"? Really?

Cool story bro, pardon me if I call bullshit.

What was her intent? Can you tell me that?

[Jack Bone]

89. secrecy....innit ironic? nt

[Darb]

103. Not privacy?

Wait....... ....OK, go.

[Jack Bone]

115. there's no privacy for public officials...'specially doing public buisness!

Obama promised that his Admin. would be THE MOST transparent in history.

If anyone would know that, it would be her...she heard that promise every debate she had w/ him. Then to start her tenure as his SOS willfully trying to cover things up is a disgrace to him and to us!

The way she treated OUR President makes me wanna

[Darb]

119. Is there something missing?

Did you not get something that you needed desperately to see? What was it? I know the Teabaggers in the congress have lots of shit that they think they haven't gotten to see, but what is it that our resident bernies want that has been hidden or destroyed?

[notadmblnd]

231. That's right, the wording should not be "may have", it should be "she did"

Although Post editors were at pains to state that Ms. Clinton had not broken any laws with her gross negligence at Foggy Bottom, the issue remains open. The FBI is investigating that complex matter now. As this column has previously reported, Hillary’s “unclassified” emails included above top secret information about undercover CIA operatives serving overseas as well as extremely sensitive NSA reports about Sudan—all information from special access programs that’s supposed to be tightly guarded.

http://observer.com/2016/05/game-over-emailgate-just-crippled-the-clinton-express/


Her motive? Hillary says it herself- operating an off the grid server was done to ensure her privacy in regards to her personal life.

So now the question seems to be- What could be so secret about her personal life that it was more important to guard than national security?

[hollowdweller]

122. When I worked for the gov't

We could use our email for personal emails.

We could not use our personal email account for work.

We could not talk to clients or attorney's about their cases via email because of the possibility of PII being gained by hackers.

We could talk to other employees of the agency and give PII on our intra net because it was secured.

However I think the main negative in Hillary's story is that underlings who expressed concern were told not to talk about the private server. Also the fact that they are finding emails related to work but not turned over by Clinton.

All I can think is "why why why?"

If Clinton was worried about people using her personal emails against her why the hell didn't she set up a State Gov account and use that for businesses??? Then set up her personal server she had control over and use that for personal email????

This would have avoided so much shit.

But the greater question is if Clinton had NEVER used email, and had never even used a personal computer, WHY THE HELL WOULD OBAMA APPOINT HER SOS???

Of course to be fair I worked with tons of people who had never used computers, were the same age as Clinton and once they were hired they totally understood how to use them for complex tasks within a few months.

[Darb]

135. The government system is glacial when traveling the world 24/7?

Maybe?

Nobody here knows the intent or the reasoning or how exactly this played out. But does it matter? I say hell to the no.

[karynnj]

55. In reality, HRC wants it to be also Powell, Rice, and Kerry

But neither Rice or Albright used ANY email as SOS for work and Kerry did use .gov from the point he became SOS AND followed the guideline for the few emails that occurred on his person account (from people who long knew him) transferring them to the SD archives.

Yet Hillary Clinton, KNOWN LIAR, told Wolf Blitzer that he used personal email until he was told it was illegal!

[Darb]

75. Kerry came after. Albright was before it was integral, and quite frankly,

she probably didn't know how. As for Powell and Rice, they are Bushies, so they hid their shit and get a pass, both from the Baggers, which is acceptable, and from the bernies, apparently.

It is a technical issue of interest only to partisans.

[karynnj]

91. HRC apparently though Kerry relevant enough she lied about him

As to Rice, the report is clear - they looked to see if there were any email they could find that sent by her to her subordinates and there were none. The report does not let Powell off the hook. However, it DOES say that the rules were clearer in 2009 than in the Powell years and it is clear that Clinton hid far more.

[Darb]

97. That report means exactly jack squat.

Crawl up that Bush admins ass like you are Hillary's and you will find far more sordid shit than what Hillary did. Now what did Hillary do again? She used a private server to integrate all of her communications so it was easier to be Secretary of State? So she could communicate better? Or as you guys seem to be saying, she was hiding her emails to Putin which had attached lists of all of our spies. OK, got it.

[jham123]

141. sure.....

[TheKentuckian]

236. A pass? The look forward coalition is now trying to blame liberals for a pass on the

on the criminals your guys protected, insulated, and to a large extent normalized while you guys rationalized, minimalized, and whitewashed?

Fucking shameless! What sort of people act like this?

[Jack Bone]

83. thanx for clearing that up...

[Darb]

113. Actually, it makes my case.

Email is a relatively new phenomena regarding the SoS's office and the government as a whole, for that matter. In the whole scheme of things, historically, it will be a blip and will mean nothing. All of these processes are new, and to apply nefarious intentions to decisions made regarding emails and servers is partisan hackery.

[jham123]

145. email is a "new" phenomena

[Darb]

151. In a historical context, yes.

I know it is complicated to comprehend, but some of us have lived waaaaay more of life without it than with it. Smartphones, tablets, etc. etc. New. That's why it is absurd to get your panties in a wad over Hillary's server.

[jham123]

155. Historical?

That's it..."We" are just to stupid to comprehend what it is you are trying to say.

Email has been around since the 90s.....we are going on a quarter of a century now and you are asserting that it is a "New" phenomena....that's rich....

And let's be frank, you are still stumping for a candidate that is unable to "fully comprehend" something as simple as email. Good show, Darb, you are winning teh innerwebs

[Darb]

160. You are so smart. Maybe you should be President.

Or Bill Gates, yeah, that's it.

You are a partisan, admit it. And if you are a legit Democrat, then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face with this ridiculous windmill tilting.

[jham123]

167. Not about me

Again, not about me nor my IQ, but nice attempt at turning this personal, Saul Alynksi would be proud of you.

Back on topic, Hillary is NOT going to be POTUS and quite frankly I am concerned about her future and the ability to remain a free woman at this point.

[Matt_in_STL]

24. They all had private, unsecured servers?

No. No they didn't.

Attempt at obfuscation: Fail.

[Darb]

51. No, they used the RNC server, which is worse.

Whine away.

[Matt_in_STL]

60. Which SOS used the RNC server?

And where is that found in the report?

[Darb]

69. The entire Bush admin used the RNC server to keep their shit secret.

Duh. The SoS is just the tip of the iceberg. You vapor-getters are really talking about technology and capabilities that have only been around for a short period of this country's history, and one which changes by the minute and you are acting like Hillary is Benedict Arnold or this thing is like the Pentagon Papers.

It doesn't matter a hill of fucking beans. Really.

[Matt_in_STL]

73. Oh, so it had nothing to do with what Hillary did.

Got it.

Additionally, if the best you have is, "someone else did it too", you might want to rethink your career as a master litigator. And yes, it amounts to quite a bit because Hillary put people's lives in danger. I know that doesn't mean much to those of you who are focused on the queen rather than the hive, but it means a lot to regular people and will make for brutal debates with Trump.

[Darb]

107. Pure partisan hackery.

Stop it. How's life without a nose? Get many dates?

[Matt_in_STL]

111. When you've got nothing else, go personal.

I'm just going from my time in the Intelligence community, you know, experience and all that. But hey, armchair quarterback, you go with what you know, which may be a lot or a very minuscule amount.

[Darb]

118. No, sorry, you are going with partisan hackery.

Proposing nefarious intent regarding new and constantly changing technology decisions in this day and age of hyper-changing technologies and the necessary ability to communicate instantly is pure partisan hackery.

Why do you insist upon the nefarious?

[jham123]

150. Partisan Hackery?

You've been shouting "Look over there" during this entire thread.

The topic isn't about 'others' rather, it is about Hillary and the rules that were set up by Powell to address this new phenomenon called email (Don't everyone crash into the 90s all at once)

[Darb]

157. Yes, partisan hackery at is bone-gnawing best.

Before Hillary was SoS, there was little connectivity being used by the office of SoS that could be comparable to hers. It is new, and complicated, and quite frankly, "foreign" to a lot of people who use it daily, as to how it all works. Beating this dead horse is hackery.

Admit it. You are anti-Hillary, so you are disqualified from being an arbiter.

[jham123]

164. WTH....

....are you talking about?? We've had T3 connectivity in private HOUSES since the late 90s

And you aren't the decider as to who gets to arbitrate, but that being said, Let's cut to YOUR chase, I am a low life ne'er do well that has never amounted to anything and I live in my Mom's basement.....

Now that we have that out of the way, how does that change ANYTHING I have said?

[jham123]

176. Hillary has done a fine......

.....job of bringing herself down, I had nothing to do with it.

My point being that you are trying to state the email is a new phenomena, that may have worked in 1998......we are two decades into to modern world. Your assertion is laughable at best.

[Darb]

180. Please don't be obtuse.

If you think the technology that Hillary was using was the same as in '98 you are daft.

Why are you doing the bidding of the teabaggers? In case you do not know, they love you for it. Why are you doing it?

[jham123]

181. Now "I'm" the one being Obtuse??

Do you project much in your daily life??

Here is a candidate that has MILLIONS at her disposal with all the Government secrets at her beck and call.....She can do anything she pleases in life inside of Government and outside.

And you stumble in here claiming that she doesn't have a full grasp of email and how it works and then expect anyone to believe that crock of shit?

Who is being obtuse again?

[karynnj]

102. No they didn't --- Rove and other people working on the 2006 election used the RNC

server. Part of this was to hide the fact that they tried to pressure federal attorneys into initiating investigations into incumbent Democratic legislators to hurt their campaigns. This did not relate to the SoS. There are REAL good reasons to criticize his SoSs - starting with policies.

[Darb]

108. If you say so.

I am certain it is true. It was just Rove.

What's your beef again with the server? "Concern"?

[Press Virginia]

54. Which one set up a server in their basement then claimed it had

been approved for her use?
Which one claimed everything she did was "above board" and complied with the rules in place?

Which one had their story contradicted by the very Department, whose rules, she claimed to have been complying with?

[Darb]

61. Uh, did she break the law? Or are you just getting the vapors?

I am sure that you can link to all those whines, but really, what the fuck is the big deal exactly? Tell me, get down to brass tacks, what the fuck is the big deal about her using that server? It is hackable? Is that it? If so, BFD, everything is hackable.

Come clean, what is your problem with it exactly?

[Press Virginia]

72. We don't know yet. The FBI hasn't announce anything as of yet. What we DO KNOW

is she lied about her server being approved by the SD for use and that everything she did was not "above board" as she has been claiming for the last year.

The IG says the big deal is her use of the server thwarted compliance with the Federal Records Act.

The problem is HRC seems to think the rules and laws that govern every other federal employee don't apply to her.

[Darb]

82. More partisan hackery.

HRC does not think that, FYI, and the IG says no such thing and if they believe that they cannot prove it because it is not true.

And as far as her lying, are you some type of mind reading swami? You know what she was thinking and her intent of every word out of her mouth? Maybe you should live a day in her shoes and have to deal with whiners crawling up your arse 24/7/365, then maybe you would have a bit more objectivity.

[Press Virginia]

126. The IG specifically says there was no request by HRC to use a private server

and had their been one it would have been denied because of security concerns.

then there's this gem

Secretary Clinton should have preserved any Federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those records with the related files in the Office of the Secretary. At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act

[Darb]

144. If you've got something to say,

just say it.

Otherwise, find another bone to gnaw on.

[jham123]

153. I do....

That's not partisan Hackery....the truth is never partisan hackery unless it goes against something you believe shouldn't be....

[Press Virginia]

154. Stay content in your ignorance

[Mother Of Four]

226. Darb...

You seriously contradicted yourself in this post.

First you claim to know what she's thinking

HRC does not think that, FYI

Then you go on the attack again stating

are you some type of mind reading swami?

So right back at you. "Are you some type of mind reading swami?"


Also. You seem very focused on intent. Here's the thing the law states about intent

http://www.lawteacher.net/resources/criminal-law/intent-specific-basic.php

BASIC INTENT
A basic intent crime is one where the mens rea is intention or recklessness and does not exceed the actus reus. In simple terms this means that the defendant does not have to have foreseen any consequence, or harm, beyond that laid down in the definition of the actus reus.

SPECIFIC INTENT
A specific intent crime is one where in theory the mens rea goes beyond the actus reus, in the sense that the defendant has some ulterior purpose in mind.

As a lawyer she would know this backwards and forwards. As SoS she would know what is required of her for security. So lets say she didn't have ANY nefarious intent at all. She would still fall under Basic Intent via recklessness. So now it's up to the FBI to decide what to do.

[Surya Gayatri]

58. It's at a maximum...warning red.

[karynnj]

63. The report does not say that Kerry ignored protocols, it says that he FOLLOWED them

The ONLY one saying he didn't is the SoS trying to blow smoke to hide the truth. For me, that is the final straw. I now absolutely can not stand to hear her.

[jham123]

158. EXACTLY!

She'll attempt to throw anyone near her under the bus, no matter what the factual records show

[merrily]

84. You know better than that. I know you do.

[Darb]

173. Oh, it's a pantload all right.

I wish I had been warned.

[merrily]

178. You know better than that. I know you do.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

170. Y ah, and the rules never changed from Colin's time

Except they did. State strongly tightened and changed the rules . . . And she violated them on purpose. That speaks volumes about the real Hillary and her hideous character.

[pdsimdars]

195. Better go back and READ what the rerport actually said,

she twisted and spun that interpretation out of it but they called her out on that too. I don't remember the exact word but they said she did NOT do what the others had.
Go read some, and try to pay attention to comprehension and then get back with us.

[corkhead]

22. sez you?

Mr. "Member since 11:03 today"

[Matt_in_STL]

28. Hey! That poster just joined this morning to make sure everyone knew where they belonged.

Give them the deference they deserve. They'll be promoted to assistant manager soon and then you'll see how this place should be run!

[pinebox]

27. Says the guy with 5 posts! lol

[Matt_in_STL]

38. And now he is the poster with zero posts.

Such a short stay.

[pinebox]

49. lol yup.

[JTFrog]

15. Remember John Schindler, the conservative talking head, retired NSA spook,

and Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his penis leaked onto the Internet?

Great sources as usual Pinenut. Barely squeaked by in a jury, but I'm sure you'll keep up the good work.

[oberliner]

26. Not to mention the publication in question is owned by Donald Trump's son-in-law

I can't believe that Donald Trump's son-in-law's newspaper is being used as a source on DU. Mind-boggling.

[JTFrog]

35. That poster has dumped enough conservative right wing propaganda onto DU to

PPR 100 posters. How he is still here I'll never know.

I'm sure he will be quickly dispatched when Skinner breaks out the new rules. I know he is pretty disgusted with how some people are using his website.

[tex-wyo-dem]

17. Yep...toast...

The State IG report is just one of a number of ongoing investigations and lawsuits that are set to release information on this issue.

I've been wondering if the FBI has been deliberately slow-walking their investigation to allow the other reports to come out, thereby in effect, softening up the target before dropping the big bomb.

[apnu]

19. I'm gonna wait until the FBI actually says something.

This is premature dancing on a grave.

What we know, via the media, about this email server is very bad. The IG report is not good for Hillary, its not her death knell, and its pretty inconclusive, while also faulting previous Secretaries of State, its still very bad.

It shows a professional malfeasance that is odious to behold. Is it damaging to her public reputation? Of course. Does it speak to a weakness in her character? Yes. Is it illegal? Not yet.

Before declaring Hillary dead, lets see what the FBI actually says. People are so amped up for or against Hillary, everybody jumping the gun.

Chill out people, we'll know soon enough what the FBI is going to do.

[saidsimplesimon]

109. I agree apnu.

Hugh Hewitt is now an MSNBC contributor, saw him on the Tweety show claiming his "sources" say Comey has the goods. Tweety chimed in, "I'm hearing that too." Beware the Trojan Horses? Clicks, hits, for profit blogs and other opinion pieces often drive these stories of doom.

My intuition fears the onion is being peeled slowly to inflect the most pain on the Democratic Party. We have seen this "Game of Thrones" before.

[apnu]

116. Damn, when GoT gives us life lessons... we should be worried. (nt)

[oberliner]

21. The source of this is a newspaper published by Donald Trump's son-in-law

Seems at least worth noting that.

[pinebox]

29. Link? I looked into the source and couldn't find anything?

[JTFrog]

39. It's the fucking disclaimer at the end of the article? Did you read the article you posted?

Of course you didn't.

Clinton bad is all you need to see for you to share your lovely little morning strolls along conservative lane with us.

[SidDithers]

40. The NY Observer is owned by Jared Kushner...

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of Donald Trump.

From his wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner

Sid

[Hiraeth]

30. not much room at the top of the pyramid for either side.

[Orsino]

31. Well, either her campaign and career are over...

...or it's nothing to be concerned about, depending on which spin one believes.

[left-of-center2012]

33. What happens if Hillary gets indicted after she's nominated?

Does she step down and the V.P. nominee become the Presidential nominee?

[pinebox]

46. She'd be impeached.

[Darb]

52. Nominated, not elected, was the question.

Impeached in your dreams. That was a yuuuuuge tell. In the words of the person benefiting most from your horseshit.

[mythology]

90. Um what?

Exactly how would she be impeached as the nominee? Last time I checked impeachment is of government officials not candidates.

[pinebox]

94. He said after she was elected

Unless I read wrong?
Ahhh he said after nominated. I misread there. My bad.

[Cali_Democrat]

209. You can only be impeached for alleged crimes committed while in office.

You need to educate yourself.

[aspirant]

34. It's so yesteryear

doing telephone call-ins to the MSM. They should be playing cassette re-runs of the "Mickey Mouse Club" in the background.

[SidDithers]

42. Better believe it!...nt

Sid

[MattP]

45. Condi Rice didn't use email, if this ig believes that i have some nice trump vitamins for him

[dcbuckeye]

47. Even if she's toast, Bernie won't be nominee

The DNC will never let BS be the nominee. Too much at stake to risk losing the election to Trump, even though the meaningless polls the BS supporters cite say otherwise. The GOP will DESTROY Sanders. The DNC will figure out a way to give it to Biden or Warren. But never Sanders. So I think a lot of BS supporters are needlessly getting their hopes up.

[B Calm]

56. The DNC oligarchy has already proven they are out to lose this election

by giving Hillary over a 500 super delegate unfare head start before the first vote was cast in Iowa. I believe you, so you don't have to rub it in!

[pinebox]

65. Can you tell us how the GOP will destroy Bernie?

We hear this all the time but still, crickets on specifics.
What are they going to do? Talk about how he was a Mayor in Burlington or something? Talk about how he and McCain worked hard for vets? If you;re thinking about them screaming "socialist commie", they've done that for the last 8 years with Obama. It hasn't worked.

So? What ya got?

Because Hillary? Well, she has a whole damn luggage super store dedicated to her.

[redstateblues]

120. How about a 10X daily loop of Bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class

The last Democrat to do that was Walter Mondale-he won one state-his home state of MN

[pinebox]

130. Go for it.

Because educated people know that by doing that, they would save money due to killing off out of pocket health care costs.

[pdsimdars]

200. Bernie's the only one who can win it. What have you been smoking.

[zappaman]

48. Ok.

[Triana]

59. Meh. Nothing will happen to her over it - not legally anyway . . .

. . . I'm not even sure it should. For me it's one of the things that concern me least about her. Colin Powell and others (Republicans) had private email servers, George W for instance had a mail server run by the RNC that I forget how many emails disappeared from at some very intereSTINK point. I understand she didn't notify the IG (there wasn't one) or IT folks of the email server whereas Colin Powell did. And so on. You can slice and dice and compare a million different ways no doubt.

What will happen though, is that the optics look bad. And the media of course is responsible for that, focusing on it like a laser. It may damage her campaign in that way. Media is all corporate owned - 6 big corporations own it all - like GE for instance. They would likely prefer Trump to Hillary and either of them to Sanders (who will make the giant corprats who own all the media pay taxes for once, and pay their fair share and you can bet your sweet bippy they DON'T want THAT). This all sort of explains the media's vile treatment of Sanders and to a lesser extent Hillary, whilst giving Trump BILLIONS in free air time over past months, doesn't it? It all boils down to MONEY that they don't want to pay in taxes and regulations that they don't want to have to follow. Boo Hoo, poor little shit-assed fat corprats.

IOW this whole "scandal" (such as it is), it makes it even more likely we'll end up with TRUMP.

I like Bernie and have been fighting like hell for him here and elsewhere. But if it's down to Hillary vs Trump. It's going to be HILLARY for me. If she wins, I'll be proudly thumbing my nose at all the idiot men who think a woman shouldn't be President.

This "scandal" makes it more likely that she won't win.

I'd say this is "not good".

At some point, depending on how leggy this gets (and it may not after a week or so - America has an amazingly short attention span or memory), it may be better if she steps aside. But - she won't. No matter what, she won't. And that again would mean TRUMP.

Not good.

[B Calm]

66. +1 great post!

[pinebox]

81. Not the same. Watch this please.

Colin Powell and Rice had email servers BUT they were ALLOWED to have them. They also weren't set up in their own homes, correct? Hillary knowingly did this all the whole also knowing that those rules had been changed.

Watch this please. Hillary violated the records act. Hillary has lied about this for a year. When Andrea Mitchell calls you out who is a staunch defender of yours, you have BIG problems. She calls out your argument about other SOS's as well and talks about that.

Not the same. Hillary was warned AHEAD OF TIME about this.
This is devastating.

[Triana]

101. Tx for the info.

Will watch.

Still doubt (tho could certainly be wrong) that nothing will happen to her legally over it. It just looks bad for her - and the timing couldn't be worse for her.

[pinebox]

104. Welcome :) It's a helluva interview

[SwampG8r]

219. Wierd

In the thread the video you link is the song sad eyes but when I click to respond it goes over to an Andrea Mitchell interview very odd

[SwampG8r]

220. Even weirder

After my first response I went back and refreshed and it came up to an AOL sign on video

[pinebox]

225. Bizzaro world

[merrily]

106. Hillary is the only SOS who had a private server.

Please distinguish between private email account, which almost every American has, and a private server, which almost every American does not have. Powell said he had both a government email account and a private email account and the only official business for which he used the latter were what he described as strictly housekeeping or administrative matters.

Also, both the rules and the technology were very different when Powell was SOS.

[pdsimdars]

203. Do you know the difference between a SERVER and an email ACCOUNT?

It doesn't seem that you do. Many had personal email accounts but no one else had a private server. And no one transferred classified information on thier private account, especially very top secret information.

Maybe you should go read up a bit at
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

[Triana]

212. Your sanctimonious, patronizing condencension is unnecessary

However I did not previously - nor do I now - believe that legally, this will lead to any indictment of her in courts. It may indict her in the public eye though, something which I'm sure Trump's media lackeys are taking full advantage of.

We're all busy here - ON DU - ensuring that TRUMP will be sworn in as President in January 2017.

CAN YOU IMAGINE going from a fine family and President such as Obama/The Obamas - to TRUMP and his Playboy cover wife as President/First Family?

Well - imagine it - because we're on a high-speed rail right to it.

Too bad she's too self-interested to step aside and urge her supporters to support Bernie. If (and ONLY if) she does that will we have a chance much.

Otherwise - say hello to our new HITLER (Trump).

[pdsimdars]

238. It was neither sanctimonious or patronizing. YOUR post indicated that you conflated them.

I merely stated what you had said.
Maybe you should read what you originally posted. No one else had a private, personal server on which they did ALL of their personal AND government work.

[kwassa]

64. Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

Where this article is from.

http://observer.com/2016/05/game-over-emailgate-just-crippled-the-clinton-express/

Here is the author John Schindler

Remember John Schindler, the conservative talking head, retired NSA spook, and Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his penis leaked onto the Internet? While he has since reappeared on Twitter—where he first drew attention for defending domestic spying and criticizing Edward Snowden—he has refused to comment on the mysterious emails, sent to the Naval War College by an unnamed blogger, that prompted the school to place him on leave, and his penis under official investigation.

http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-crazy-emails-that-took-down-nsa-spook-john-schindle-1610203101

[pinebox]

74. Wish I'd known that to begin with. Ugh.

I looked it up and couldn't find a whole lot.
Either way, the article does bring up some fair points and calls into question her integrity and ethics. I don't see a whole lot of RW spin there. If anything, it almost reads like an article out of Rolling Stone. Speaking of which;

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-is-turning-into-richard-nixon-and-bill-belichick-20150314

OUCH!

[Triana]

121. Well there you go.

Maybe 'vast rightwing conspiracy' wasn't such an exaggeration.

Great info. Thanks.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

70. I don't believe it but could you imagine if this egomaniac took down the entire country because she

believed it's her turn! Can you imagine the shambles the Dems would be in if Bernie let Nate Silver and Rachel chase him away?

[Faux pas]

77. Kickin' for the truth!

[FSogol]

87. Unrec. Spreading Trump propaganda from Observer.com

[pinebox]

92. Thanks for the kick :)

Care to refute anything that has been said in the article? It's factual.
Honestly, go read it. It isn't RW spin.

[FSogol]

98. Your propaganda has a best if used by date of 6/14/16. Enjoy!

[pinebox]

99. I think you perhaps meant "your"?

Anyways, go read it. I'm sure you can. You're reading this after all and again, thanks for the kick Appreciated!

Seriously, check it out

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

127. What happens then? We will no longer be allowed to scrutinize candidates?

[mindwalker_i]

159. Yeah, only republicans will be able to scrutinize "our" candidate

I'm sure they'll go easy on her.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

161. Yep. Trump is well known for his gentle, courteous, demeanor.

[mindwalker_i]

171. Oh man, you almost owed me a keyboard for that one!

[pdsimdars]

206. pinebox, now come on buddy, get real, here's what I mean

Everyone who knows what is really happening, knows that Global Warming is a HOAX. And do you know how the SMART people know this? Because it is only reported in the LIBERAL media, MSNBC, etc. Since you only see it there and never see it on FOX, you know by looking at the source that NONE of the FACTS can be right because they are stated on the WRONG media. Got it?




I've seen way too much of that "wrong media" bullshit. Do people have minds any more? Can they discriminate at all? It sure doesn't seem like it.

[Sheepshank]

105. lemme see. Is this version #1348 or #1349 of the email saga that was supposed to sink Hillary?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

125. The train wreck was caused by an overloaded baggage car.

[Throd]

137. good one

[pdsimdars]

205. brilliant again

[ucrdem]

128. "If you're winning and you know it then your face will surely show it"

She knows it.

[leftynyc]

132. Donald Trump's son in laws newspaper

Can you possibly get any more pathetic and desperate?

[pinebox]

148. Ask yourself that question and BNR & then we'll talk.

And if you bothered to read my replies here you'd see I openly admitted I wasn't aware of that at the time despite Googling the name of the site but instead you cherry pick. Typical.

[leftynyc]

163. Cherrypick?

YOU use an OBVIOUSLY right wing source (a newspaper owned by donnie's son in law) and I'M cherrypicking? I'd have to be a complete imbecile to believe you didn't know this when it's been so widely reported - even here at DU. Your desperation smells rancid.

[pinebox]

207. Yes you're cherry picking.

Here you go, where I gave you a ton of links to LW sources http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2067682 yet in same thread you said this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2068293

So there you go. <3 Cherry Picking.

[JoePhilly]

146. Linking to a Trump family member website is cheaper than sending donations directly to Trump ...

... apparently.

[Beacool]

147. LOL!!!!

The Clintons have been "toast" since 1992.

Don't hold your breath...........

[pinebox]

149. I tend to breathe a lot, air is good

and so is reality.

F B I .

Plain and simple.

[Beacool]

152. Please, some of you folks are just too funny.

Grasping at any straw to try to make you candidate the nominee.

[pinebox]

156. Straws? You mean that thing called "Meanwhile in the real world..."

Pick a story, any story. All are less than 48 hours old.

Welcome to a town called "Factual".

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/email-hillary-clinton/484634/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-doubles-email-scandal-allowed/story?id=39400634
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/hillary-clinton-drowning-in-email.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-the-new-report-on-hillary-clintons-email-is-so-damning/2016/05/27/e02d4f3a-2402-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/25/state_department_inspector_general_report_criticizes_hillary_clinton_for.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/gop-sees-summer-of-scandal-for-clinton-223536
http://theweek.com/speedreads/626837/seth-meyers-digs-into-hillary-clintons-latest-emails-scandal-dripdripdrip
http://www.inquisitr.com/3135494/hillary-clinton-email-probe-update-following-state-departments-scathing-audit-fbi-could-push-for-hillarys-indictment/

[Beacool]

166. If there's an indictment, then I'll worry.

[EndElectoral]

175. Question is - when will the FBI findings of their criminal investigation be revealed?

I hope it is soon, and not closer to GE. If it comes out in October, even if it exonerates her, there is most likely going to be a lot of criticism of her judgment in the report which could tip the balance on the undecided.

[yodermon]

188. Right. That's why I don't understand the Clinton's supporters la-dee-daah attidute on this.

The IG report is just a preview of coming attractions from the FBI.

[TeacherB87]

179. Nice try...

There is no scandal.
The report found no criminal or civil liability on Clinton's part.
The report detailed how her email conduct was virtually indistinguishable from Colin Powell's.
She may have done something wrong in the sense that the security protocol around emails is weak, but that is all.
Repeating right-wing conspiracy theories should be left to right-wingers, not progressives.

[B Calm]

190. Weak on national security is okay.

[EndElectoral]

196. Apparently to some.

[Cobalt Violet]

202. come on, it's only the presidency of the United States of America

It's not that much more complex than dog catcher.

[pdsimdars]

208. You forgot to put the "sarcasm" smiley in your message.

Otherwise some people might think you were being serious. And we all know you can't be a teacher without first actually learning something.

Better go read that report or at least some of the articles by NYT, and other major papers and on other major networks. Hell, even cheerleader Andrea Mitchell said it was a disaster.

And then there's your post, with full pom poms. Better go read. (and by "read", I mean something other than Hillary talking points, they've all been found to be LIES in that report)

[pinebox]

210. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

And I highly suggest you watch the video too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2067250

Colin Powell had no home server and he was ALLOWED to use email, the rules were different at the time. Hillary knew the rules had been changed and disregarded those rules and lied over a year about it to the American public.

This isn't a RW conspiracy theory, sorry. Hillary in her own words said it was "allowed", we now know it was NOT.

[Demsrule86]

201. couldn' resist

Nice source...hahah

Remember John Schindler, the conservative talking head, retired NSA spook, and Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his p***is leaked onto the Internet? While he has since reappeared on Twitter—where he first drew attention for defending domestic spying and criticizing Edward Snowden—he has refused to comment on the mysterious emails, sent to the Naval War College by an unnamed blogger, that prompted the school to place him on leave, and his p**is under official investigation.

The emails sent to NWC, which Gawker obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, refer to Schindler’s habit of calling himself a “spy”; detail his correspondence with an unnamed woman (who apparently received his p**is photo); and, in a lengthy missive, accuse Schindler of staging “cyber warfare” against his online enemies, using “thuggish tactics” to silence NSA critics, and violating various federal laws.

[pinebox]

211. Here you want more sources?

I can help with that.
Now what? Deny and spin the issue and blame it on some source while agents are investigating YOUR candidate?
Ya you go with that.

Meanwhile in reality.....

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/email-hillary-clinton/484634/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-doubles-email-scandal-allowed/story?id=39400634
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/hillary-clinton-drowning-in-email.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-the-new-report-on-hillary-clintons-email-is-so-damning/2016/05/27/e02d4f3a-2402-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/25/state_department_inspector_general_report_criticizes_hillary_clinton_for.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/gop-sees-summer-of-scandal-for-clinton-223536
http://theweek.com/speedreads/626837/seth-meyers-digs-into-hillary-clintons-latest-emails-scandal-dripdripdrip
http://www.inquisitr.com/3135494/hillary-clinton-email-probe-update-following-state-departments-scathing-audit-fbi-could-push-for-hillarys-indictment/

[notadmblnd]

230. I believe the word you are looking for is "penis"

Which is a proper medical term for the male sex organ. Why you feel you have to P** the damn word speaks volumes. However, I digress.

Someone posting pictures of someone's alleged penis (say it- it is easy, PE-NIS, only two syllables) is way less harmful to national security than a rogue SOS running their own wide open private server in order to hide their pay-for-play operations to their slush fund masquerading as a charity.

[B Calm]

213. She campaigned being strong on national security, what a joke!

[RBInMaine]

215. INSANE post.

[pinebox]

224. Ya, so insane that it holds water.

Too bad Hillary's bucket has a hole in it.

[bullimiami]

228. Do you goofballs ever consider who wrote the bullcrap you keep slinging?

http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-crazy-emails-that-took-down-nsa-spook-john-schindle-1610203101

[pinebox]

229. Is it hard to read replies to see this was discussed already?

Apparently.

And yet you can't debunk it can you? Yup, shoot the messenger when you have no argument.

[pdsimdars]

240. Me too. That would be the perfect timing for that bomb. I hope the FBI doesn't time it like that

but releases their findings ASAP.

[loyalsister]

239. Deja vu

I heard a lot of people say that what pissed them off about Bill Clinton was the way he looked into the camera and did not evade, equivocate, or deflect. He flat-out lied and betrayed people who voted for him.

Then, the republicans made an effort to turn lying and cheating into a Democratic stereotype while maintaining the "family values" perception they worked so hard to cultivate when they courted the religious right. It was pretty effective to turn any mild exageration coming from Al Gore into a lie. Bill Clinton handed them that strategy.

After living through some very ugly public humiliation, she did the same thing. Her dishonesty is attached to his dishonesty and republicans now have the opportunity to extend it to Democrats again. I really hope Bernie wins big in California and the Clintons fade into obscurity.