The spin job that establishment Democrats are doing on Hillary's emails is shameful

[AZ Progressive]

Hillary didn't give a damn shit about handling secret and top secret information. It doesn't need to be illegal for it to be deemed reckless and endangering national security. And Democrats are excusing this? Even for the sake of fear of Trump, are Democrats going to shed all integrity and honor just to support Hillary?

[pinebox]

1. I've seen Hillary supporters say FBI & Judicial Watch cases are the SAME!

And that it's all RW spin and only that.
'Nuff said.

[Press Virginia]

2. You'd think the fact that she'd been lying about it for a year

might have upset some of them.

[stevenleser]

3. There are aspects of what she did that were wrong. National security is not one of them.

You fundamentally misunderstand the situation. State.gov email is not meant to be secure.

The executive branch has two email systems for classified information, SPIRNet (for information classified up to Secret)and JWICS for Top Secret. State.gov email is not acceptable for classified information and that is not the intended use for that email.

In other words, in terms of national security, its just as much of a violation to use state.gov to send or receive classified information as it is a private server or yahoo email.

Now if you want to discuss the record keeping requirements and ability to respond to FOIA requests? Yes, what she did was problematic. But I have had several debates with folks who have actually been responsible for secret and top secret information, and at the end of the day, they are forced to admit I am right. This is not a national security issue.

[Fawke Em]

7. You misunderstand what she did (or didn't do).

She refused to log-on to SIPRnet and JWICS from her SCIF after being told to do so.

And she had aides hand-copy and send classified info from either/or SIPRnet and JWICS via email to her.

The FBI is investigating whether members of Hillary Clinton’s inner circle “cut and pasted” material from the government’s classified network so that it could be sent to her private email address, former State Department security officials say.

Clinton and her top aides had access to a Pentagon-run classified network that goes up to the Secret level, as well as a separate system used for Top Secret communications.

The two systems — the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) and the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) — are not connected to the unclassified system, known as the Non-Classified Internet Protocol Router Network (NIPRNet). You cannot email from one system to the other, though you can use NIPRNet to send ­emails outside the government.

Somehow, highly classified information from SIPRNet, as well as even the super-secure JWICS, jumped from those closed systems to the open system and turned up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s home emails — including several the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing ultra-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs, a subset of SCI.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/

[floriduck]

8. There were rules the State Dept put in place to try to improve security. Either she knew them and

intentionally violated them or she was ignorant of them and didn't take responsibility for her ignorance. Neither is acceptable for someone seeking the highest office this country has. And when neither she, Huma nor Cheryl agreed to testify, that speaks volumes about Hillary's claims that she would cooperate.

And her numerous statements in prior interviews can only be taken as lying about such a serious matter.

[stevenleser]

9. No, you can't improve security on a system that is not secure and state.gov is not secure and its

not meant to be.

You are simply wrong here.

[floriduck]

11. So according to stevenleser, I and the OIG are wrong. I'll stand by our interpretation over

some friends of yours that you sought out to get agreement with your opinion. And even if I concede the security issue to you, you should concede the ignorance and lies of Hillary Clinton and her staff's non cooperation with the investigation. If you cannot do that, you have no credibility.

[Fawke Em]

16. Actually, he is right about state.gov not being secure, but he's wrong about the major issue.

Hillary's server is the catalyst, but the major issue is that she was very flippant in regards to maintaining the security of sensitive information. Having an unsecured email server is just a symptom of that disregard.

[stevenleser]

18. Nope. You are saying something that is not in the OIG report. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. You should cozy up to the report

And read it in full..oh that includes footnotes.

And I will take their word on this before your....spin

[lagomorph777]

13. Sorry, not even remotely credible

"Jacob Sullivan tells Clinton that “They say they’ve had issues sending secure fax. They’re working on it.” Clinton responds by ordering “If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.” To remove classification headings from a classified document is usually treated as a very serious matter, though the level of the classification is not known."

https://jonathanturley.org/2016/01/11/newly-released-email-shows-clinton-instructing-aide-to-strip-header-and-send-information-over-unsecured-lines-after-objections-over-security/

[stevenleser]

19. Whether you think it is credible is not at issue. It's the truth and its easy to see its the truth.

[lagomorph777]

20. I need to get me some of those rose-colored binoculars.

'Cause I can't find any truth in anything Hillary has said about the e-mail server. The OIG refutes every word she says.

[stevenleser]

22. No glasses are required for the stated security rating for each email system. nt

[lagomorph777]

24. You're dodging the point. Stripping classifications does not allow classified e-mail to go through

a homebrew server in your basement.

[stevenleser]

25. No, what I am saying IS the point. You start with the rating for the medium and go from there.

The hullabaloo is about her private server as if that is the issue. It's not the issue. If classified information was accidentally or intentionally sent from her private server, its just as much of an issue whether it was there or at state.gov.

Once you understand that, you realize this entire situation is bullshit.

[morningfog]

27. I agree that her larger problem is with the public records law and what may stem from it.

We know that she violated federal record retention law. We also know that she did not produce at least four emails that were federal records when she turned over her self-selected business emails.

She destroyed the emails which she labeled "personal." This could be a big problem if the FBI recovers the deleted emails and discovers business emails in there. The question will be why, how and by whom were the records destroyed. failure to properly retain federal records is a violation of administrative law. It is a felony to destroy federal records.

[berni_mccoy]

4. They're willing to burn down the house for her crimes... so be it. If that's what's at the head of

the party, then it needs to go. There is no room for an Ol'Boys(or Girls) school. Time to clean house.

[HooptieWagon]

5. Her tentacles of influence reach far and wide.

She's spent decades buying influence and support. Many of her establishment supporters careers are tied to Hillary. They'll defend her to the bitter end because their political survival depends on it and avoiding the wrath of Clinton. The number of high level party officials who are relatively free of Clinton influence who might look at the big picture to decide what is good for country and party can probably be counted on one hand. IOW, if Clinton goes down, she's taking the whole party down with her.

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. When Ted Kennedy died the party lost its conscious

Its moral direction and its mentor.

The battle between the Kennedy faction and the Clinton faction has been going on since Bill was in Arkansas.


Ted introduced and endorsed Obama, He was Obama's mentor in the Senate. I think Obama's term would have been very different he had lived. Maybe he would not have chosen his cabinet like he did if Ted had been around. Maybe universal healthcare would have been more of a factor.

But Kennedy died and the dark forces and third way Clintonites saw their chance and we are seeing the results .

I agree that the Clinton gravy train ie. Cllinton foundation and power is a seductive corruptible harmful influence.

With this affair many democrats are acting like school yard kids saying ''Well, Colin did it too'' and
showing moral platitudes vs showing moral character.

[vintx]

26. This. nt

[Autumn]

6. It really shows their priorities, and it's not the people

[Avalux]

10. Yes. Everything is "because Trump". Hillary said it herself.

We are to close our eyes and ignore her lies, because.....Trump! Booga Booga!!

[Scuba]

12. Hey, Hillary put herself at great risk to protect any information ...

... that would hurt her personally.

When the truth comes about about the Clinton foundation it won't make anyone believe Hillary was doing it for charity.

[grasswire]

15. remember...every time they say "personal" email, they mean "Foundation."

The "personal" is a framing.

[Merryland]

29. exactly.

she was asked in some interview I saw about whether Clinton Foundation stuff was among the deleted "personal" emails & she waved off the question in a weird way, like "somebody else at the State Dept. was taking care of that" Kind of intriguing.

[HooptieWagon]

30. Exactly!

[apnu]

17. And the gleeful dancing the other side is doing about it is shameful.

Republicans and Bernie supporters are in a tizzy over this. Its as disgusting as the desperate pleas the Hill camp is making.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. But..but..everybody does it!! K&R

[B Calm]

28. But mommy, _____ did it too. LOL

That defense doesn't fly with parents and it won't work for Hillary!