2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Real Scandal of Hillary's emails, it's not what she wrote—it’s her tendency to wall herself off
'In a February 23 hearing on a Freedom of Information Act request for Hillary Clintons official State Department emailsemails that dont exist because Hillary Clinton secretly conducted email on a private Blackberrry connected to a private serverDistrict Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan exclaimed, How in the world could this happen?
Thats the key question. What matters about the Clinton email scandal is not the nefarious conduct that she sought to hide by using her own server. Theres no evidence of any such nefarious conduct. What matters is that she made an extremely poor decision: poor because it violated State Department rules, poor because it could have endangered cyber-security, and poor because it now constitutes a serious self-inflicted political wound. Why did such a smart, seasoned public servant exercise such bad judgment? For the same reason she has in the past: Because she walls herself off from alternative points of view.
In the journalistic reconstructions of Clintons decision, two things become clear. First, State Department security experts strongly opposed it. As the Washington Posts Robert OHarrow Jr. reported in a terrific piece in March, State Department security officials were distressed about the possibility that Clintons BlackBerry could be compromised and used for eavesdropping. Soon after Clinton became Secretary of State, they expressed that distress in a February 2009 meeting with Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, a longtime Clinton loyalist. In a March memo to Clinton herself, Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security Eric Boswell wrote that, I cannot stress too strongly
that any unclassified Blackberry is highly vulnerable.
The second thing that becomes clear is that these security experts ran into a brick wall of longtime Clinton aides whose priority was not security, but rather her desire for privacy and convenience. From the earliest days, writes OHarrow Jr., Clinton aides and senior officials focused intently on accommodating the secretarys desire to use her private email account and in so doing neglected repeated warnings about the security of the BlackBerry. In August 2011, when the State Departments executive secretary Stephen Mull broached the idea of replacing Clintons personal Blackberry with a Department issued one, Clintons Deputy Chief of Staff and close personal aide, Huma Abedin, replied that the state blackberry
doesnt make a whole lot of sense.
http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/484634/
The bubble is real.
elleng
(130,956 posts)ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Regarding the email debacle, I have always wondered why Hillary was able to take out the personal emails and provide those that were official "business". It this is correct? This allows her to presort and determine what she wanted to turn over and anything she didn't want to provide she could simply claim was personal.
Am I missing something here ?
unc70
(6,115 posts)We will get more details from FBI.
apnu
(8,758 posts)I've been through several government audits of emails servers. People have the right to privacy, so they get the right to strike personal correspondence from an audit. Usually the auditor takes the word of the person being audited that the email turned over is both relevant to the business and complete. If it turns out that email that should have been turned over but weren't, the fines and penalties are very stiff.
Its more common than you think.
For me, I advise everybody to professionally divide their work lives and personal lives. Don't buy stuff for yourself using your work email account. In today's age, free email accounts are ubiquitous. There's no reason at all Amazon (or any other business) needs to know what your work email is. That doesn't stop people from ignoring me and doing it anyway, which makes my job of production harder, plus the cost of the production is higher for the company because Mr. Smith can't stop buying crap on Ebay at work.
People have trouble separating work life from personal life.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)It was not linked to the State Department/government server so there were no copies, no audit trail. We have to take her word for it that what she provided is all there was. I don't believe that for a second because she had the ability to delete whatever she wished without anyone knowing.
The question is - WHY? What advantage did she have by keeping her emails secret and off the government system that has an audit trail?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)is there a difference between tone deafness and being in a bubble? Is that separation from the realities of life a function of having lived and worked on the hill for decades any different for either one of them? errr no.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)....on the personal and detailed level that the constituency would like to see. The outcome is the same.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Is that the Camp Weathervane meme of the day?
Maybe this is why Bernie has legions of supporters turning up day after day, standing in long lines to hear him speak.
This is why Mrs. Clinton is on the ropes and needs all kinds of assorted underhanded maneuvers to try to stay ahead. She and her campaign are disgustingly dishonest.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)As for his legions of people turning up because he is somehow not tonedeaf? How is that listening thing working out for him? Not very well. He rails and yells, and waves his arm, and throws spittle in his usual method of grinding the same fucking message over and over into the minds of young potential donors. Yet, not once has he shown a proclivity to listen. He considers his message superior to the messages so many are trying to send him. He's tone deaf.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)....to add another email plug for the Bernie team. talk about tone deaf.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)and Todd was speculating on the real reason for taking communications out of the purveyance of the White House - That's how HE framed it - concluding that her desire for secrecy and keeping communication out of reach of FOIA.
When your own(ed) network starts framing the discussion like that, you are in deep doodoo.