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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:02 PM May 2016

The Real Scandal of Hillary's emails, it's not what she wrote—it’s her tendency to wall herself off

'In a February 23 hearing on a Freedom of Information Act request for Hillary Clinton’s official State Department emails—emails that don’t exist because Hillary Clinton secretly conducted email on a private Blackberrry connected to a private server—District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan exclaimed, “How in the world could this happen?”

That’s the key question. What matters about the Clinton email scandal is not the nefarious conduct that she sought to hide by using her own server. There’s no evidence of any such nefarious conduct. What matters is that she made an extremely poor decision: poor because it violated State Department rules, poor because it could have endangered cyber-security, and poor because it now constitutes a serious self-inflicted political wound. Why did such a smart, seasoned public servant exercise such bad judgment? For the same reason she has in the past: Because she walls herself off from alternative points of view.

In the journalistic reconstructions of Clinton’s decision, two things become clear. First, State Department security experts strongly opposed it. As the Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow Jr. reported in a terrific piece in March, “State Department security officials were distressed about the possibility that Clinton’s BlackBerry could be compromised and used for eavesdropping.” Soon after Clinton became Secretary of State, they expressed that distress in a February 2009 meeting with Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, a longtime Clinton loyalist. In a March memo to Clinton herself, Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security Eric Boswell wrote that, “I cannot stress too strongly … that any unclassified Blackberry is highly vulnerable.”


The second thing that becomes clear is that these security experts ran into a brick wall of longtime Clinton aides whose priority was not security, but rather her desire for privacy and convenience. “From the earliest days,” writes O’Harrow Jr., “Clinton aides and senior officials focused intently on accommodating the secretary’s desire to use her private email account” and in so doing “neglected repeated warnings about the security of the BlackBerry.” In August 2011, when the State Department’s executive secretary Stephen Mull broached the idea of replacing Clinton’s personal Blackberry with a “Department issued” one, Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff and close personal aide, Huma Abedin, replied that the “state blackberry…doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/484634/
The bubble is real.

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The Real Scandal of Hillary's emails, it's not what she wrote—it’s her tendency to wall herself off (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
Bad judgment. elleng May 2016 #1
One question ciaobaby May 2016 #2
Missing nothing. That is what she did unc70 May 2016 #4
Yes that is correct. She can do that. apnu May 2016 #5
She owned the server and had complete control over it. Avalux May 2016 #6
And Bernie's tone deafness makes it all come full circle n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #3
There is a difference NWCorona May 2016 #7
the end result is that they are not connecting with the constituency.... Sheepshank May 2016 #8
Bernie's tone deafness nichomachus May 2016 #10
meme of the day? It's been posted elsewhere? Do tell, where? n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #11
Is Bernie being investigated by the DOS IG or the FBI? Are they in a "bubble" or "tone deaf"? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #12
I have not idea what you are talking about. it appears that you are merely taking this opportinity Sheepshank May 2016 #13
Just watching Chuck Todd on Andrea Mitchell - hardly in the Bernie bubble floppyboo May 2016 #9
 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
2. One question
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

Regarding the email debacle, I have always wondered why Hillary was able to take out the personal emails and provide those that were official "business". It this is correct? This allows her to presort and determine what she wanted to turn over and anything she didn't want to provide she could simply claim was personal.
Am I missing something here ?

apnu

(8,758 posts)
5. Yes that is correct. She can do that.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

I've been through several government audits of emails servers. People have the right to privacy, so they get the right to strike personal correspondence from an audit. Usually the auditor takes the word of the person being audited that the email turned over is both relevant to the business and complete. If it turns out that email that should have been turned over but weren't, the fines and penalties are very stiff.

Its more common than you think.

For me, I advise everybody to professionally divide their work lives and personal lives. Don't buy stuff for yourself using your work email account. In today's age, free email accounts are ubiquitous. There's no reason at all Amazon (or any other business) needs to know what your work email is. That doesn't stop people from ignoring me and doing it anyway, which makes my job of production harder, plus the cost of the production is higher for the company because Mr. Smith can't stop buying crap on Ebay at work.

People have trouble separating work life from personal life.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
6. She owned the server and had complete control over it.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

It was not linked to the State Department/government server so there were no copies, no audit trail. We have to take her word for it that what she provided is all there was. I don't believe that for a second because she had the ability to delete whatever she wished without anyone knowing.

The question is - WHY? What advantage did she have by keeping her emails secret and off the government system that has an audit trail?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
3. And Bernie's tone deafness makes it all come full circle n/t
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

is there a difference between tone deafness and being in a bubble? Is that separation from the realities of life a function of having lived and worked on the hill for decades any different for either one of them? errr no.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
8. the end result is that they are not connecting with the constituency....
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

....on the personal and detailed level that the constituency would like to see. The outcome is the same.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
10. Bernie's tone deafness
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

Is that the Camp Weathervane meme of the day?

Maybe this is why Bernie has legions of supporters turning up day after day, standing in long lines to hear him speak.

This is why Mrs. Clinton is on the ropes and needs all kinds of assorted underhanded maneuvers to try to stay ahead. She and her campaign are disgustingly dishonest.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
11. meme of the day? It's been posted elsewhere? Do tell, where? n/t
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

As for his legions of people turning up because he is somehow not tonedeaf? How is that listening thing working out for him? Not very well. He rails and yells, and waves his arm, and throws spittle in his usual method of grinding the same fucking message over and over into the minds of young potential donors. Yet, not once has he shown a proclivity to listen. He considers his message superior to the messages so many are trying to send him. He's tone deaf.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. I have not idea what you are talking about. it appears that you are merely taking this opportinity
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

....to add another email plug for the Bernie team. talk about tone deaf.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
9. Just watching Chuck Todd on Andrea Mitchell - hardly in the Bernie bubble
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

and Todd was speculating on the real reason for taking communications out of the purveyance of the White House - That's how HE framed it - concluding that her desire for secrecy and keeping communication out of reach of FOIA.
When your own(ed) network starts framing the discussion like that, you are in deep doodoo.

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