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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:30 PM May 2016

Super Delegates support hillary, in large part, because they think

she has a better chance than Bernie to win. I don't agree, but that is immaterial. Aside from the winning thing, the vast majority don't want someone as progressive as Bernie in the White House. Many believe his economic positions threaten them, both from an election stand point and regarding fundraising and personal enrichment. And there is no doubt that many do get rich in Congress. Then there's this; although a Senator, he is not a member of their club and he highlights things they'd prefer to stay under the radar.

They still think that she has a better chance, despite her email shit, so why do you think that hundreds of them would move en masse to Bernie?

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Super Delegates support hillary, in large part, because they think (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
I respect your analysis Cali and stand with you when the attacks start coming. Trust Buster May 2016 #1
They also see her as someone who will dole out $ and power... Yurovsky May 2016 #2
I agree. cali May 2016 #4
Bingo. Back Hillary and you're on the gravy train. HooptieWagon May 2016 #9
I think a LOT of people thought the Clinton machine was unbeatable. flor-de-jasmim May 2016 #3
In some cases that may be true, but MineralMan May 2016 #5
Bernie chose a different path than most of them Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #12
Probably, and that is why, among other reasons, that MineralMan May 2016 #14
Not probably. Facts are facts. cali May 2016 #20
Correct. They would have to stop believing she could beat Trump Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #6
They were 'persuaded' to support her before Senator Sanders announced, elleng May 2016 #7
More like they KNOW fun n serious May 2016 #11
That is pure bull crap, elleng May 2016 #23
Greed is a nasty sin. n/t desmiller May 2016 #8
They also think fun n serious May 2016 #10
the super delegates actually told you these things? gotta recording? nt msongs May 2016 #13
Because this is only the tip of the iceberg on "her email shit". Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #15
Actually, most of the Supers who are on record as supporting Hillary SheilaT May 2016 #16
I don't expect a mass exodus of super-delegates to Sanders but would celebrate if that was the case. PufPuf23 May 2016 #17
It's more like follow the money. hobbit709 May 2016 #18
yes shanti May 2016 #25
I believe that for people in the position to be a Super delegate SheenaR May 2016 #19
The Super Delegates support Clinton because the Super delegates are Democratic party insiders onenote May 2016 #21
that, and Clinton has been a lifelong Democrat who's campaigned for and raised money geek tragedy May 2016 #22
really? You think that they think it has to do with chances of winning? Sheepshank May 2016 #24
Shock! They support the candidate closer to their views, who's worked her whole adult life for Dems. CrowCityDem May 2016 #26
I think it's about the political favors to be traded. JonathanRackham May 2016 #27

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
2. They also see her as someone who will dole out $ and power...
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

The Clintons reflect the historical status quo in DC in which obedience is rewarded with money & power, while crossing the powerful results in punishment.

People within the party are afraid of the Clintons. And the Clintons most definitely keep an enemies list and seek to destroy anyone who does not bend a knee.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
3. I think a LOT of people thought the Clinton machine was unbeatable.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

When Tulsi Gabbard resigned from the DNC, she reported that all sorts of people asked her if she was afraid to go against the wishes of the Clinton machine, knowing that her actions would make her persona non grata among all those supporting Clinton.

I think that if people perceive that the wheels are coming off the machine, then superdelegates will rethink the issue.

MineralMan

(146,315 posts)
5. In some cases that may be true, but
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

in others, their support is based on having worked with her and having great respect for her leadership abilities. Most of the elected super delegates know her to some degree, and also know Bernie Sanders. They've made their choice based on that knowledge, as well. Bernie apparently doesn't have a lot of supporters among his peers, which is rather telling, I think.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
12. Bernie chose a different path than most of them
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

He doesn't make the same phone calls, he doesn't knock on the same doors, he doesn't surround himself with the same insiders who tend to all reinforce the same world view. But Bernie has always been respected by his peers for his integrity and his word - but by making different choices than those of most of his peers he throws their choices into question, which is not a comfortable match.

MineralMan

(146,315 posts)
14. Probably, and that is why, among other reasons, that
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

he will not be the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016. Respect does not necessarily lead to endorsement when it comes to politics.

Trump will lose, because he is out of the spectrum that will result in all Republicans voting for him. A significant minority of Republicans will end up voting for Clinton. Enough to give her the win in November. Nobody's talking about that so far very much.

Now, some will say they don't want any Republican votes. They're foolish in saying that. This country wobbles back and forth regularly between electing Democratic and Republican Presidents. The one that gets the wobbly votes from the other party is the winner.

This year, that will be Hillary Clinton, due to the Trump effect. I have full confidence in that.

I predict a good strong Clinton win, including flipping a couple of red states or more.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. Not probably. Facts are facts.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

In have confidence in her ability to blow the big head start she begins with.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
6. Correct. They would have to stop believing she could beat Trump
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

It's not enough if they believed Sanders was stronger (which most of them don't) as long as they thought Hillary would still likely win. For those Clinton supporting individuals to overturn a very likely Clinton pledged delegate lead they will need to truly fear that the wheels are starting to come off of her campaign - and then see convincing evidence to confirm that. If in the media over the next few weeks it all starts going totally to hell for Hillary in the wake of the internal State Department report - that just might be enough to do it - if her numbers really started plunging against Trump as a result. Short of at least that, it won't happen, and probably not even then unless another heavier shoe drops first.

elleng

(130,915 posts)
7. They were 'persuaded' to support her before Senator Sanders announced,
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

I think. It was (and is) part of the way the Democratic establishment does business; hrc has 'clout,' and she and Bill have for a long time.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
15. Because this is only the tip of the iceberg on "her email shit".
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Let's see how they're feeling by the convention.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. Actually, most of the Supers who are on record as supporting Hillary
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

made that declaration before anyone else entered the race.

What's scary is that they apparently haven't read one single bit of political news in over a year.

PufPuf23

(8,776 posts)
17. I don't expect a mass exodus of super-delegates to Sanders but would celebrate if that was the case.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

If Hillary Clinton was to drop out for some reason, I would expect the DNC and Democratic party leadership to try to replace Clinton with Biden or Kerry or ? and not Sanders.

The USA neo-liberal establishment favors Clinton and Trump over Sanders as Sanders would attempt to steer the USA away from neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism and there would be lots of grass root support but Congress would need a transformation for major impact.

IMO Sanders would do better against Trump than Clinton by 5% to 10% in general election.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
19. I believe that for people in the position to be a Super delegate
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

financially, their life would not change if Clinton or Trump became President

The same cannot be said for a Sanders Presidency.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
21. The Super Delegates support Clinton because the Super delegates are Democratic party insiders
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

As is Clinton. Why would anyone think Democratic party insiders -- people who have devoted years and considerable resources to supporting the party, back a candidate who is not one of them and in fact is attacking them?

Democratic Senators and members of Congress get to be Democratic party superdelegates. Bernie Sanders never has been a Democratic Party superdelegate. That should tell you everything you need to know right there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. that, and Clinton has been a lifelong Democrat who's campaigned for and raised money
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

for Democrats across the country, and the fact that she's winning/won the primary voting overall, with a very strong majority of registered Democrats and overwhelming support from the party's base.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
24. really? You think that they think it has to do with chances of winning?
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

people are so one dimensional now a days

Couldn't have anything to do with her platform, the majority vote, her abilities, her knowledge, her demeanor, long term building reputation and party allies, the length of time she has promoted and helped the Democratic Party etc etc etc, right?

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
26. Shock! They support the candidate closer to their views, who's worked her whole adult life for Dems.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
27. I think it's about the political favors to be traded.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

Politics is sort of like that. I vote for your bill, you vote for my bill, maybe we'll listen to the constituents.

I like Bernie's constituents and the work ethic from that part of the country.

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