2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat if Hillary offered to debate McCain two weeks before Obama was about to clinch the nomination?
Don't you guys think she would have looked pretty ridiculous?
Bernie looks ridiculous.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)mathewsleep
(857 posts)She broke her word because she didn't want to be grilled about her emails by the moderators.
You can't blame her for it even becoming an option.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Or Bernie's "supporters" want them thrown out
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-file-emergency-injunction-calif-primary/story?id=39419096
mathewsleep
(857 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The debate is one more Hail Mary pass at the last minute. Now you all want to just throw votes out. Sad.
mathewsleep
(857 posts)Please.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's not about debating the issues, it's a just a desperate struggle to try and win, just like this vote dumping scheme.
mathewsleep
(857 posts)mathewsleep
(857 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Go get yourself a cookie as a reward...
mathewsleep
(857 posts)Good idea, I like cookies.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)who are registered as NPP ONLY. Prove me otherwise from the article, or did you read it?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)including provisions to force 58 counties to segregate ballots already cast by unaffiliated voters; to allow "re-votes" by those voters for presidential primary candidates
That means that votes would have to be thrown out and redone. At this stage there would be no time for new ballots to be sent out in time for the election.
mathewsleep
(857 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)ROFL Trump tricked Sanders!
mathewsleep
(857 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)To separate them - hold them to the side, to allow NPP's ONLY to fix the problem with the ballot, both dem and that right wing independence party voters. Where does it say that segregating the votes disqualifies them? I read (my interpretation) that people in that pile of write-ins would be given the chance to correct something. What would happen if they don't? I assume they would get counted as is. Is there a legal definition that you are using in your interpretation?
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mathewsleep
(857 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)mathewsleep
(857 posts)Deflect deflect deflect
amborin
(16,631 posts)she looked petulant, arrogant, evasive; now she looks cowardly and deceitful
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)previously agreed on.
If my memory serves me correctly, I believe they had 20+ debates in 2008.
Thanks for the thread, Cali_Democrat.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Uncle Joe
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fun n serious
(4,451 posts)This all Bernie doing
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fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernis is disgraceful and unqualified
mathewsleep
(857 posts)mathewsleep
(857 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Kimmel said that Sanders had written in with a question, to be read by Kimmel to Trump, on Sanders' behalf. "Hillary Clinton backed out of an agreement to debate me in California before the June 7 primary," Kimmel read. "Are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the California primary? Yes or no?"
mathewsleep
(857 posts)That does make sense, all official campaign requests always goes through a late night comedian. That's just protocol.
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ThirdWayToTheHighway
(72 posts)but to each his own. Shill on, Hillfriend.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)pre-convention debate with Trump after all the whining they've done with regards to presumptions ? Their heads would have exploded. They're so desperate right now that, like the far Right, they will convince themselves that their position is righteous regardless of the obvious hypocrisy.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)After Jeb and Marco got dragged by Trump, you'd think that Sanders would know better than to play into his hands.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,205 posts).
It's one thing going after a same-party candidate, opposition candidates will be handled even more ruthlessly.
It's behooves HRC to see how Trump will be, instead of experiencing it live on the debate floor.
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ThirdWayToTheHighway
(72 posts)I can't believe you would be okay with Clinton debating him!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He was merely baiting Sanders to make him look like a fool and Sanders took the bait.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That's the huge difference.
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Vinca
(50,273 posts)You should be happy as a clam if you think it will make him look ridiculous.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Obama was popular and well liked by most voters in all the polls in 2008. Hillary is disliked and not trusted by most people in 2016
Get the difference?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...Clinton could participate.
As it is, I see no problem of a debate between the two candidates not subjects of an FBI criminal investigation. The more debates, the better...and if they are between an R and a D and illustrate the differences between the two platforms, all the better. Which could be another reason Clinton reneged...she comes off sounding like a Republican in debate.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But Trump probably crushes her in a GE debate also... Especially after FBI report comes out. She might duck out of debating Trump altogether...the more voters see of her the less they like her.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Promoting the enemy.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)PufPuf23
(8,785 posts)Hillary Clinton isn't exactly looking like a strong candidate at the moment.
What was Clinton thinking to lie on camera so many times over the email issue?
That's aid I neither want nor expect any indictment over the email fiasco.
I do think that Hillary Clinton deliberately used an email system to make her actions less transparent.
The fact that it was a server in her home and the content of some of the emails, specifically Blumenthal but expect others, are of most import.
Hillary Clinton does not look that wise based upon her failed campaign of 2008 and her campaign 2016 which, even if Clinton becomes POTUS, will go down in history as what not to do and already has harmed Clinton's ability to be a solid POTUS.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Best case, she makes McCain look like a fool.
Worst case, she comes off badly and reinforces Obama's position as the better candidate.
Tal Vez
(660 posts)Sanders is adopting a very submissive position waiting for Trump to decide what their schedules will be next week. Sanders is blowing a beautiful opportunity.
Sanders should seize the initiative:
1) He should tell Trump that the public will not be charged to attend or to watch the debate on TV.
2) He should tell Trump that he will not participate in any kind of a joint fundraiser with Trump because he knows that Trump cannot be trusted with funds. In that regard, he should point out that Trump has apparently still not let go of the millions of dollars that he claimed to be raising for veterans that time he skipped the debate. But, the point is that Trump's fundraiser proposal provides Sanders with the perfect opportunity to begin the debate right now by calling Trump a con man who cannot be trusted. Sanders could win this debate before it even begins.
3) Sanders should find a place (e.g., LA Colosseum) and tell Trump to show up on a night that Sanders likes, that the two campaigns will be sharing the cost for the venue and that Trump should bring a check with him.
Finally, Sanders should tell Trump to either show up or shut up.
The point is that Sanders should not be doing what he seems to be doing - sitting at home hoping that Trump will call and grant him a debate. If he takes the initiative and makes the demands outlined above, it will place Trump in the submissive position. Sanders should not underestimate the importance of how the two are positioning themselves. If Sanders appears to be begging a more dominant Trump for a debate, Sanders will have lost the real debate before it even begins. As things now stand, Trump will want to let Sanders continue his submissive role of waiting for Trump to tell him what to do. And, when Trump gets tired of toying with Sanders, he will probably conclude that he already won and refuse to debate with the explanation that there would be no point in debating someone as "goofy" as Sanders. (That's the way Trump has been characterizing Sanders - goofy).
Sanders should seize the initiative and demonstrate that he can put Trump in his proper place.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Wut?
reddread
(6,896 posts)oops. that isnt egg, is it?
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)If he does in fact, debate Trump it proves he does not have the best interest of the Democratic Party at heart He is nothing more than an insignificant senator who was, unwisely, in my opinion, allowed to run on the Democratic ticket and got a taste of the big time. He's not a champion of the people, he is a self-centered, power hungry candidate.
For him to debate the Republican candidate when our own party's nomination is not official is playing into the hands of the enemy.
It's disgraceful.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)If she wanted to control the dialogue she should have kept her promise to debate.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)At least, Hillary is a Democrat. Sanders is using the Party to his own advantage.
Why should she debate Sanders? The nomination is hers... it's not going to happen for the Bern. For him to debate Trump when he is not the official nominee is disingenuous and in my opinion, traitorous to this Party. He should have never been allowed to run as a Democrat in the first place.
LOL... Trump just announce he wouldn't debate Sanders.... too bad for Bernie.... poor thing doesn't get what he wants.
Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)Have changed my mind on whether she was the better candidate. Especially if Obama reneged on his agreement to debate her.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)ask her to ask a question of McCain, what would she have come up with? Probably something completely inappropriate for a comedy show I'm guessing
RAFisher
(466 posts)Why would he waste his time debating a fellow Senator who he is not running against?
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)These cheesy hypotheticals are always good for a laugh.
What if Hillary Clinton <fill in the blank>?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)reinforce that Bernie is in second place. He doesn't want to debate Bernie because Bernie is in second place. He got his cheap shots in, which is all this was about. Not hard to figure out.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)know what's she is doing. the only thing saving her is the african-american vote.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)She praised McCain's leadership and experience while deriding BHO as someone who just gave speeches
Spare me. Some are so amnestic about 2008