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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:34 PM May 2016

OK Email Obsessors, let's take a look at BERNIE's "Scandals."

Here is how the right wingers will frame up Bernie and pound him to pieces if he were the nominee:

1) Self avowed "socialist socialist socialist" (which will become "communist communist communist&quot .

2) Statements showing "love" for Castro and the Sandinistas.

3) Jane Sanders "running that college in VT into the ground, not being liked there, and being forced out".

4) Bernie writing what amounts to "rape porn" as a grown man in his thirties.

5) Bernie voting to send toxic waste to Texas in order to benefit VT.

6) Bernie voting for "pork" defense spending if it benefited VT.

7) Bernie spending YEARS on and off unemployment, bumming around in odd jobs, etc.

If you don't think all this and more would be a "liability" for Bernie in the general election, you are sadly mistaken. They would have a field day with Bernie's past and his present status as a self-described socialist.



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OK Email Obsessors, let's take a look at BERNIE's "Scandals." (Original Post) RBInMaine May 2016 OP
Holy fuck, that's hilarious. I love it! floriduck May 2016 #1
Can you refute it? Are you saying they wouldn't POUND him on this? If so, you are so wrong. RBInMaine May 2016 #4
Sorry but I don't need to do any refuting. I'll just vote for him. Continue your fantasies if you floriduck May 2016 #12
The only "fantasy" is you thinking the R's wouldn't tear Bernie completely to pieces. RBInMaine May 2016 #62
;-)) floriduck May 2016 #78
And what of your fantasy that they won't do the same, if not worse, to her? opiate69 May 2016 #98
There's much, much more. kstewart33 May 2016 #45
Yup. The R's would LOVE to face Bernie in the GE. They would tear him to SHREDS. RBInMaine May 2016 #63
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #79
LFB, I'm sure that Bernie has many accomplishments. kstewart33 May 2016 #86
If you can't say anything nice make up some fake negative stuff. hollysmom May 2016 #2
I am saying what THEY will do. But please, refute EACH ONE in detail, IF YOU CAN. RBInMaine May 2016 #9
I did reply about unemployment - are you saying there is something wrong withg being unemployed? hollysmom May 2016 #38
They know it will turn off REPUBLICAN and CONSERVADEM voters - vintx May 2016 #72
re. saying nice things about Cuba, solidaridy with the Sandinistas floppyboo May 2016 #50
Not a single death, loss of jobs, mass incarceration, or denial of civil rights on the list. KeepItReal May 2016 #3
You are spouting PURE HYPERBOLIC HYPE. My goodness. What nonsense. RBInMaine May 2016 #10
Redundant much? Yurovsky May 2016 #71
sorry, he voted for the crime bill, pushed for increased sentencing in another bill. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #11
You know damned well that vote was for The Violence Against Women Act within the bill he disliked KeepItReal May 2016 #18
You are assuming that that poster is actually either smart enough TimPlo May 2016 #25
Voted against the Brady Bill FIVE times lunamagica May 2016 #14
I don't think republicans will be bringing that up aikoaiko May 2016 #35
Are you saying the times Sanders voted for military action never resulted in deaths? Thinkingabout May 2016 #58
I know you youngsters don't remember how bogus the persecution of the Clintons was in the 1990s... Hekate May 2016 #91
And how many of those are connected with an active FBI investigation? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #5
My guess would be zero... Yurovsky May 2016 #75
That is why I will be voting for Bernie Sanders/ Todays_Illusion May 2016 #6
While these items might be scandalous (but not really) to some, they are not unfolding "scandals". dinkytron May 2016 #7
The "rape porn" charge is really unfair and a huge mischaracterization gollygee May 2016 #8
It was ham-fisted and poorly written social commentary not atypical of the era Warren DeMontague May 2016 #15
It was poorly written, no doubt about that gollygee May 2016 #16
Agreed. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #17
Unfair? You think Trump and the republicans care about unfair? Txbluedog May 2016 #19
I would think people here would gollygee May 2016 #21
You honestly believe Trump would try to push that false issue against Bernie? Uncle Joe May 2016 #46
I think they would be very unfair. intheflow May 2016 #92
This is going to sound like an exhonaration, and maybe it is floppyboo May 2016 #59
It was a political article gollygee May 2016 #64
Republicans wouldn't be fair treestar May 2016 #67
Only one year of taxes. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #13
Is that a possible crime under investigation by the FBI? 99Forever May 2016 #27
Enjoy. Bob-o the Clown May 2016 #39
Hillary hit him with all of those... lmbradford May 2016 #20
When did she do that?? and which riversedge May 2016 #52
She did not hit him with that stuff. And he is losing anyway, by decision of the voters. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #94
More Mega-Derp from Team Hindenburg TheSarcastinator May 2016 #22
False equivalence. SpareribSP May 2016 #23
tens of millions in campaign finance violations. BainsBane May 2016 #24
Got PROOF? 99Forever May 2016 #29
I do BainsBane May 2016 #48
Get back to me when the Senator has the FBI investigating this. 99Forever May 2016 #73
Yep. seekthetruth May 2016 #77
@BainsBane angrychair May 2016 #37
These far exceed Obama's BainsBane May 2016 #49
Just like Obama. frylock May 2016 #82
I could have rattled-off the replies you'd get ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #26
It's going to be funny watching you and your friends squirm when cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #44
Yeah, because being dragged through the mud ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #47
I'm taking bets on how long it takes after the convention for her to publicly lose her shit. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #51
OK. NanceGreggs May 2016 #53
Watch the Benghazi hearing TwilightZone May 2016 #56
Wow you sound like you'd be on Trump's side treestar May 2016 #69
Not in the slightest. I think my posting history makes it clear who I support. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #70
What's really odd is they don't even want to consider Bernie's negatives treestar May 2016 #68
Took a socialist president to win WW2! But my god you sound almost like a republican. B Calm May 2016 #28
Almost? 99Forever May 2016 #30
So you have nothing but poop? AgingAmerican May 2016 #31
The wheels are coming off The Coronation Express.... 99Forever May 2016 #32
Good God no truer words were ever spoken. Dang. nt nc4bo May 2016 #34
The coronation has always been based on winning the most votes. Which is exactly what she has done. StevieM May 2016 #93
No sir. 99Forever May 2016 #96
Yeah, like that time she stole data from Senator Sanders' campaign. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #97
More like the multiple times she put National Security at great risk... 99Forever May 2016 #99
It's not so and there will be no indictment. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #100
Denial doesn't change reality. 99Forever May 2016 #102
Nah. dchill May 2016 #33
Except none of these have hurt him one bit, not that they're true (most are not). Alex4Martinez May 2016 #36
And these 'scandals' are probably true rock May 2016 #40
Show me some Federal felonies if you want my attention. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #41
Are you kidding? choie May 2016 #42
Yawn... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #43
You forgot the biggest scandal of them all.... whistler162 May 2016 #54
So, is Bernie "done" or not? Scootaloo May 2016 #55
Well, one is about the wife tazkcmo May 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #60
Tsk tsk Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #61
You left out your usual red baiting. hobbit709 May 2016 #65
You're lucky you don't get this hidden treestar May 2016 #66
Why would we hide it when we can laugh at it? RichVRichV May 2016 #80
Bernie is not perfect treestar May 2016 #88
Never thought he was perfect. RichVRichV May 2016 #89
None of that is akin to exposing national secrets to foreign hackers while exchanging access Fawke Em May 2016 #74
I keep you around because Hiraeth May 2016 #76
These are scandals? bobbobbins01 May 2016 #81
Welcome to Today's Hippie-Punching Tantrum! QC May 2016 #83
The Dems could run Jesus Himself and the GOP would smear Him Armstead May 2016 #84
Same tired playbook from 2008. frylock May 2016 #85
LOL! Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #87
Being on unemployment? Jesus Malverde May 2016 #90
Her supporters seem to think more like conservative / Republican voters vintx May 2016 #95
A hippopotamus looks kind of big and saltpoint May 2016 #101
persons with criminal pasts can get away with hopemountain May 2016 #103
 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
12. Sorry but I don't need to do any refuting. I'll just vote for him. Continue your fantasies if you
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

like.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
45. There's much, much more.
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

In old videos, microfiche, and newspaper clippings.

Hillary has them all. Why hasn't she used it? Because she doesn't want to anger his supporters.

The media have it and won't use it. Why? They want a horse race. Higher ratings, more clicks = more $$$$.

The Republicans have all that and more. They've investigated every week of Bernie's adulthood and they've found a goldmine of controversy.

But there's not been a peep about Bernie from the Repubs who are funding anti-Hillary ads and giving Bernie a complete pass.

Why is that? Because they'd love to face Bernie in the GE.

They would destroy him with this stuff. Think what they did to John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. They are rabid.

The supers know this. That is the primary reason why they won't switch to Bernie unless he leads in the popular and pledged delegate votes. If Bernie goes down in flames, the down ballot races go down with him, and many, many supers are candidates in those races.


79. Go Bernie
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

You do know that Senator Sanders was a former Professor of Political Science at Harvard University Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College. some but not all of Senator Sanders many accomplishments:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
86. LFB, I'm sure that Bernie has many accomplishments.
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

But that's not the point of my post.

My point is that there is enough controversial material for the Republicans to destroy him. I'm not concerned about things that
I've mentioned. For example, Bernie was a conscientious objector. If I were in his situation during the Vietnam War, I'd be one too. I admire him for taking that stand. I don't care about his associations with Marxists or Communists.

But that's not the point. The point is what the Republicans will do with that.

They successfully portrayed John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, as a traitor. They swift boated him.

They used the Willie Horton case successfully to destroy Mike Dukakis's chances in the 1988 election.

All they need is something to distort, exaggerate and if they can get away with it, falsify.

Bernie has enough in his biography for them to do just that.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
2. If you can't say anything nice make up some fake negative stuff.
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

I especially love the years on and off unemployment because that would be me, mostly off though since I was self employed a lot and even though I paid it double, I did not qualify to get it.
Sorry no one offered him a few hundred K for speeches that he now wants kept secret.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
38. I did reply about unemployment - are you saying there is something wrong withg being unemployed?
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

are you really insulting most of the US who have been unemployed at one time or another? good luck with that one.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
72. They know it will turn off REPUBLICAN and CONSERVADEM voters -
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

the ones they know their candidate will need to win.

Bernie wins with lefties and independents. That difference seems to escape them.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
50. re. saying nice things about Cuba, solidaridy with the Sandinistas
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

1st, Trump has supported socialist/communist regimes to a much Yuuuger degree. Check the label on that tie. And, I was surprised shocked to hear comrade Trump saying the profits from pipelines should be shared nationally.

next...

I think a little wee campaign on Ollie North and the Contras would shut that down pretty quick.
I'm guessing the high voter turnout age is well aware of the nastiness that took place here. No one wants to bring that up and dig Ronnie further into the ground.

next?

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
3. Not a single death, loss of jobs, mass incarceration, or denial of civil rights on the list.
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

All the above falls on Clinton and the votes and policies she has endorsed.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
25. You are assuming that that poster is actually either smart enough
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

or informed enough to know that. For many HRC people if it was not said by her it is a lie. Even then they thing the VAST RW shadow organization has the means to clone Clinton and have the double say the bad things she has said on video.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
58. Are you saying the times Sanders voted for military action never resulted in deaths?
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

He has voted more times than Hillary on military action. A policy he has voted against, the Brady Bill five times, we are having on average 80 Americans killed daily by gun violence. Yes the policies Sanders has supported has resulted in deaths. We are still seeing deaths in Afghanistan, he voted for more involvement there. He loves to vote for MIC contracts, their products results im deaths.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
91. I know you youngsters don't remember how bogus the persecution of the Clintons was in the 1990s...
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

But it was bogus. The VRWC is a real thing. Ken Starr wasted millions of taxpayer dollars to hurt a foolish young woman and try to eliminate an effective Democratic president. And there was nothin'...

So they kept trying and trying, each time coming up with zip.

You wonder why some of us don't believe the current crap-fest? Because of the hefty record of Right Wing lies.

And now we have to put up with "Democrats" carrying buckets of seriously old swill on behalf of the Right, topped off with some new swill.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
75. My guess would be zero...
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

but that won't stop those desperately trying to keep HRC's wrongdoing a secret from slandering a good, honest, and decent man - Bernie Sanders - who, unlike his opponent, didn't go into politics to get rich.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
7. While these items might be scandalous (but not really) to some, they are not unfolding "scandals".
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

Nice try.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. The "rape porn" charge is really unfair and a huge mischaracterization
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

this bugs me every time I see it. It seems clear that he was writing a critique of rape culture. He didn't say it was good that people had those fantasies -he said it was a response to our culture.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. It was ham-fisted and poorly written social commentary not atypical of the era
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

And yes, it has been mischaracterized- deliberately i believe, by people who are smart enough to know better.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
16. It was poorly written, no doubt about that
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

And awkward and whatever else you want to say negative about his writing. But it was not rape porn.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
21. I would think people here would
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

And people with any amount of brain cells could refute it, if they wanted to.

Also, the people who would be most offended by it have already seen it. Republican voters certainly wouldn't care. And feminists will at least generally be able to see that it isn't rape porn.

intheflow

(28,476 posts)
92. I think they would be very unfair.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

However, with Trump and Clinton running neck-and-neck for who has the higher unfavorability rate, if Trump says it, as the party figurehead, people will assume it's bullshit. And vote Sanders.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
59. This is going to sound like an exhonaration, and maybe it is
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

I might get the timeline a bit wrong - but young Berner - 20's (was it 30's?) graduates from college and is disaffected by the greed on one hand, and the lack of change that he had fought for in society, checks out and goes for the relative wilds of Vermont.

No one has a job for Bernie Sanders in a pretty radically monotone state, except sweeping coffee house floors and printing off some pamphlets and delivering. I have absolutely no idea if this is what went down, but I used to go down to Vermont to ski in the 70's, and I was one of those long haired guitar toting kind of people.

So, your experiment with the new money maker - x-rated Harlequins - it was promising cash on the back of all the corner store matchbooks. Again, no idea if this happened, but I can imagine. You want some independence and freedom, so self motivated is a good thing. If you are still offended, go google that whole Charlie's Angel's era and find me something innocent that was selling besides Pat Robertson.
. btw - that's independent - and not particullarily a socialist model - but maybe he wouldn't be unemployed if there were a more socialist model, but then he wouldn't be who he is - which is awesome - because he really can speak the truth from the heart.


99Forever

(14,524 posts)
27. Is that a possible crime under investigation by the FBI?
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

Better write some fucking text to make your lameass point this time. All you've got so far is a large economy bucket of fail.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
29. Got PROOF?
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

As in hard verifiable evidence that would stand up in a court of law?

Fuck no you don't.

@ U

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
48. I do
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

Here are the links to the FEC citations and some of the responses from the campaign.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf

http://docquery.fec.gov/dcdev/fectxt/1056008.txt (which can be accessed on this link under "view micellaneous document" http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00577130/1056008/)
In response to a separate letter from the FEC citing violations of campaign finance law: http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/917/201603319012213917/201603319012213917.pdf

That you haven't heard about it shows how poorly he's been vetted.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
73. Get back to me when the Senator has the FBI investigating this.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

As of this moment, only ONE candidate has the FBI digging into their shady practices while being the top administrator of a Federal Department, is facing the strong likelihood of being indicted on Federal charges and it sure as fuck ISN'T Bernie Sanders.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
77. Yep.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

Had a TS clearance in the military (yes. I did).

You do not screw around with classified material....no exceptions. If I had been caught mistakenly taking a cryptological out of the communications ( or "radio room" - served on two ships), I would've lost my job. No questions. I would have been regulated to the shittiest work imaginable on the ship (cleaning up after a bunch of 18 - 30 year old guys.....not fun.

Clinton should be indicted, fined, or (to be fair) spend a few years in minimum security prison.

You just don't fuck with classified material. It's drilled into your head....and anyone in government (especially those who have served) know this.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
37. @BainsBane
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:21 PM
May 2016

Those are minor in grand scheme of things and issues his campaign are addressing. Be that as it may, those type of issues and fines didn't stop PBO from being president twice:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/07/obama-campaign-fined-big-for-hiding-donors-keeping-illegal-donations

Barack Obama's presidential campaign has been fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for violating federal disclosure laws, Politico reports.

An FEC audit of Obama for America's 2008 records found the committee failed to disclose millions of dollars in contributions and dragged its feet in refunding millions more in excess contributions.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
49. These far exceed Obama's
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

And they are hardly minor when he has made reforming campaign finance central to his candidacy but doesn't follow the most basic rules. His campaign accepted single contributions far in excess of legal amounts. The sloppiness of the accounting is astounding, truly unprecedented. It will take a couple of years for fines to be levied since the FEC gives candidates ample opportunity to comply with the law.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf

http://docquery.fec.gov/dcdev/fectxt/1056008.txt (which can be accessed on this link under "view micellaneous document" http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00577130/1056008/)
In response to a separate letter from the FEC citing violations of campaign finance law: http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/917/201603319012213917/201603319012213917.pdf

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
26. I could have rattled-off the replies you'd get ...
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

... before a single one was posted.

His supporters do not believe that there is anything that St. Bernie has ever done in his entire life that would be used as fodder against him by the GOP. They honestly believe that he has never uttered a word or taken an action that anyone could possibly find untoward in any respect.

This became evident early on, when anyone raised a question about Bernie's self-identification as a "socialist" being a problem. They all immediately stated that no one thinks of "socialism" as the negative they once did. No one - as if. Exactly how politically naive do you have to be to believe that?

It's the same with everything. Bernie has NO negatives, NO baggage, NOTHING in his past that the Republicans could dredge-up and cast a negative light on. Nothing.

It's this kind of "thinking" that explains why, even now, the BS supporters refuse to see the reality that Bernie will not be the nominee. All the delegate/vote numbers in the world are meaningless to them. They have their own "math"; they have created their own "reality". And believing that Bernie a saint - literally - is just a part of that "reality".



NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
47. Yeah, because being dragged through the mud ...
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

... will be a whole new experience for Hillary, because that's never happened before.

She's been publicly demeaned for decades, and is now on her way to the White House.

Bernie, on the other hand, can't even handle the pressure of an interview that doesn't go his way.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
51. I'm taking bets on how long it takes after the convention for her to publicly lose her shit.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

Want to pick a date?

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
56. Watch the Benghazi hearing
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

All 11 hours of it.

Then, tell us who did or didn't lose his or her shit.

Clinton's been dealing with the likes of Trey Gowdy for 25 years. You think she can't deal with Trump? Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, Sanders got baited into a spat about a debate that was never going to happen.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
70. Not in the slightest. I think my posting history makes it clear who I support.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

Hint it ain't Hillary and it sure isn't trump

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. What's really odd is they don't even want to consider Bernie's negatives
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

in order to come up with a counter. If Bernie were the nominee, in the alternate universe where he is, then they'd be demanding that the Republicans follow their rules. We know how that would work out. They'd probably demand changes in the Electoral College or something, because it will turn out it's unfair to Bernie. In the alternate universe where Bernie was President, they'd discover Congress and demand changes in the Constitution to make the "corrupt system" go away so Bernie could do what he wants.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. The wheels are coming off The Coronation Express....
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

... and the True Believers are going into Desperate Freakout mode.

I'd say I feel sorry for them, but it would be a lie.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
93. The coronation has always been based on winning the most votes. Which is exactly what she has done.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Clinton supporters are not desperate--we are winning.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
96. No sir.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

"Exactly what she has done" is use every dirty trick, lie, cheat, steal, threaten, bribe to achieve the appearance of getting the "most votes." Exactly as she always does. It's all coming home to roost.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
99. More like the multiple times she put National Security at great risk...
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

... by using a completely unsecured, unapproved, private server in her private residence without so much as a password protection to do Top Secret State Department communications on.

Pretend it isn't so, till the indictment comes down. No sweat off my brow.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
102. Denial doesn't change reality.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
May 2016

Those facts are already on the table. She may not get indicted, IF she withdraws from the race and leaves public life permanently. Unless they start digging into the pay for play shit with The Clinton Foundation while she was SoS. Then all bets are off, the GOP Congress will lock onto that like a junkyard pitbull and tear her to shreds and take Bill down with her.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
36. Except none of these have hurt him one bit, not that they're true (most are not).
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

So try some other spin.

choie

(4,111 posts)
42. Are you kidding?
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

She set up a private email server to thwart FOUA and other transparency and lied about it and you think that equals Bernie's "transgressions?" You're desperate!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
55. So, is Bernie "done" or not?
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

Another thread started by you says he is. But, well, here you are going odd like it's day one of primary season.

Now, either you're lying in that other thread and don't think that this primary is finished, or you're just keeping on with this in a desperate need to try to destroy Sanders past the primary. Which would still make your other OP a lie, since in it you claim to like the guy.

Which is it? Still fighting the primary, or are you just trying to tear down someone for the "crime" of running i nthe first palce?

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
57. Well, one is about the wife
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

So if we include Bill's baggage with Hillary's then yikes! But I'll let you have that one (as if I'm sort of arbiter of things. I'm not). In fact, I'll go ahead and acknowledge them and pretend like the world is just two shades of gray: Black and white. So, gasp, it's all true!

He could be involved in about 20 more scandals and still be cleaner than both Trump and Clinton.

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
61. Tsk tsk Bernie
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

Among other things, during the 1970s and ’80s, Sanders regularly called for public takeovers of various businesses, including utilities and the oil industry. Sanders advocated seizing money from corporations and from one of America’s richest families. And, as a mayor, Sanders made forays into foreign policy that included meetings with representatives of hostile nations, rebel groups and Canadian separatists.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. You're lucky you don't get this hidden
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

It seems that even considering Bernie's flaws is against the TOS.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
80. Why would we hide it when we can laugh at it?
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

Every one of the "scandals" have already been tried here and else where thanks to Hillary's attack dog David Brock. They went absolutely no where. So what you're all really saying when you say "the Republicans will bury him with these" is that the Republican side is smarter and better at campaigning than the Hillary side. So yes, we're mocking you all for trying to bring them up again.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
88. Bernie is not perfect
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

Every candidate has flaws. Bernie's haven't been vetted much. But it seems that can't be even said! You'd be mad if you were mocked for Hillary's exaggerated "scandals" that get promoted.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
89. Never thought he was perfect.
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

There are a number of things I diverge with him on. He's not as strict on guns as I'd like (no politician is), he's often times not aggressive enough (too nice, tends to get along too much), I'd like to see him focus more on addressing climate change and social issues. I never for a second viewed him as perfect or a savior.


What I do see in him is the best politician I have had the chance to vote for in my life time. What he has that sets him apart from the rest is a genuine interest in helping others over himself. He has a healthy dose of empathy. Many politicians show empathy, but they let ambition override it. Having empathy over ambition is a rare trait in a politician (especially one so high up) and something that I connect with on a core level. It's something that can't be faked.


It also helps that almost every part of his platform looks like something I would have wrote myself.


So no, I don't view him as perfect, but I can't think of anyone I would rather have leading our movement at this time.


As for the attacks you think will bury him, I say bring them on yet again. Just be ready to back up your claims with proof. Because we're ready and willing to dispel them with evidence as we have done repeatedly in the past.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
74. None of that is akin to exposing national secrets to foreign hackers while exchanging access
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

to your station to "fund raise" for your Foundation and avoiding FOIA requests.

Most of that list doesn't even raise my eyebrows, but Hillary's is downright criminal.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
84. The Dems could run Jesus Himself and the GOP would smear Him
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

I'd prefer to accept that as a given, and look at the overall pros and cons of each candidate ....IMO Clinton falls short on that scale.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
95. Her supporters seem to think more like conservative / Republican voters
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

as those are all "issues" that would turn them off.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
101. A hippopotamus looks kind of big and
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

goofy, but you know what? They can get pretty mean. There's plenty of footage of hippos charging small boats.

So if you're on vacation someplace where there are hippos, keep an eye out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/hippo-charges-safari-boat-video_n_6479480.html

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
103. persons with criminal pasts can get away with
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

being candidates. bernie has done no such thing. there is nothing, nothing, and nothing that will keep him from winning and be inaugurated in january. nothing.

but, on another note, only bernie & our progressive democratic socialist movement will keep the working class and our planet from being run into the ground. this movement will spread around the world when more and more working class people take back their power.

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