Big corruption in little Vermont.

[YouDig]

How funny would it be if after all the Berner noise about emails, it ends up being Bernie who gets indicted, for arranging that loan that Jane used to crash Burlington College into the ground and then cash out with her golden parachute.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/05/26/gop-official-levels-burlington-college-related-allegation-against-sanders

[Duckhunter935]

1. Interesting, another April 16 account

With 6 hides too. What did Brock admit to earlier this year,mmmm

[reddread]

32. Million $ Moron March

[Bobbie Jo]

35. Speaking of hides...

Sheeesh

[Duckhunter935]

38. 3 hides in a month

Must not care for the community standards, lol

[Bobbie Jo]

40. I was looking at

the poster I responded to above. I see 10 of those bad boys.

Some folks really shouldn't chime in about hides and such. Glass houses and all that...

[Duckhunter935]

41. Ok, and I was wrong 6 hides in 30 days, lol

[msanthrope]

2. The lawsuit is bullshit....but the claim that there is an SAR is interesting.

If there is an SAR, the feds would be required to investigate it.

[cali]

3. Sigh. There is zero evidence for this rethug's claim, dear.

[YouDig]

7. Since when do Berners care about evidence?

When it comes to voter fraud, or email hacking, or everyone conspiring against Bernie, or the Clinton foundation's supposed bribe-taking, or even accusing me of being a David Brock troll in the post above yours, "evidence" has never been something Berners have cared about in the least.

But now suddenly?

[bobbobbins01]

9. We must have incredibly different definitions of evidence.

There are vast amounts of evidence for all the items you mention(except perhaps of you specifically being a troll).

[YouDig]

10. Berners do have a tendency to redefine words to their liking, I agree there.

[bobbobbins01]

14. Ah, I take back the one benefit of the doubt I gave you.

I suppose I'm replying to exhibit A.

[YouDig]

18. Because now you have your "evidence" right? Ha! Berners and evidence, that's funny.

[bobbobbins01]

29. Exhibit B

You seem to be conflating proof and evidence.

[cali]

24. Hilly fans tend to be less intelligent than Bernie supporters Stupid huh?

Because such generalizations invariably are.

[JRLeft]

60. Not one of them ever engages in a policy discussion.

[Demsrule86]

89. Well there is no doubt that

Jane has some 'splainin' to do to the feds. Mortgage fraud is quite serious.

[cali]

91. Sorry, I live here. This has been investigated for years.

It's going nowhere

[MrMickeysMom]

11. Do you actually post anything that doesn't stalk real people with false accusations?

I'm guessing you specialize in insulting the supporters of Bernie Sanders for President.

But you issue false accusations. I wonder what motivates you to try to insult people with that horse shit?

[YouDig]

12. Who am I stalking? I responded to someone who responded to my OP.

It you want to discuss stalking with false accusations, take it up with the person who called me a David Brock troll.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. Calling you a David Brock troll, are they...???

I wonder why anyone would do that to anyone with your history in this short period of time...

[Duckhunter935]

39. So true

[840high]

76. heehee - good one

[cali]

21. I do and you know that,

I have not said word one about that hacking stuff because the evidence isn't compelling.

Nor was I the one who accused you of being a Brock puppet.

YOU? You post dishonest shit day fucking in and day fucking out.

And do me a favor, don't rec any more of my ops.

My respect for you? pffft.

[YouDig]

27. I didn't know that but I'll take your word for it.

BTW, I don't post dishonest shit day in and day out, you have me confused with someone else. The Berners do that. It's true, there's no more evidence that Bernie committed loan fraud here than there is that, for example, election fraud occurred in any of the states that Bernie lost. Or any of the other things that Berners post 100s of times a day.

But this is my single OP about the potential loan fraud. And you're insulting me about this. Do you insult all the people who go on and on about "election fraud" in every state that Bernie lost, and with zero evidence? If not, why not?

It's great that you have not said one word about the hacking, but do you viciously lash out at the many who do, the way you just did to me?

[cali]

30. Ha. You think that was vicious?

And I read your junk. It is dishonest.

[YouDig]

31. Pretty much. I'm sure you can get more vicious than that, but that was not civil.

Here are some posts I've made, one about ranked voting, one about how I liked Bernie's choices for the platform, one about trade wars being a bad idea. Do you think these are dishonest? Could it be that you are generalizing from one or two of my posts you don't like?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512037960
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512021632
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512037864

And you didn't answer me. Do you ever feel an obligation to lash out at people on your own side when they post things that don't have evidence backing them? Because I can assure you, it happens all the time.

[beachbum bob]

42. no question that jane sanders malfeasance cost her job at burlington college and hurt the

college....that did happen.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Posts hidden by Jury: 6

RIP Community Standards.

[YouDig]

5. I can play too! Posts hidden by Jury: 7. 7>6.

[hobbit709]

13. 6 in a month and a half on your part-the same amount of time you've been here.

[YouDig]

15. True, but, I don't have the benefit of stacked juries. You gotta grade on a curve for that.

How anyone on the Bernie side can get 7 hidden posts is really something to behold.

[hobbit709]

16. You're almost funny.

Almost, I say.

[YouDig]

19. Maybe, but it's true though. There's more Berners on juries.

[hobbit709]

22. you figured this out in your short time here. I see lots of Bernie supporter posts hidden.

But life is good in Camp Bansalot.

[YouDig]

23. It wasn't very hard. More Berners here, so more Berners on juries. Do you disagree?

[cali]

46. Hiilykin acolytes have targeted a number of Bernie supporters

But yes, there are far more Bernie supporters than hilly fans.

[yallerdawg]

47. At DU.

Not in the voting booth!

[cali]

51. Obviously, I was referring to DU. Glad you could figure that out

[bvf]

53. Surely you have a way of identifying jurors,

which would be the only way you could prove that.

Oh, you can't?

Really sucks to be you then, doesn't it?

If you truly understood how jury pools are populated, you probably wouldn't be so confident. But hey, feel free to look like a complete idiot. That's your right as a DU citizen, and one you doubtlessly cherish.

Let's see that data.

[YouDig]

54. They are drawn at random from a group of people that is more Berners.

It doesn't suck to be me at all. Not only is my candidate going to be the nominee, but also I understand how random selection works. Pretty great all around!

[bvf]

56. Do you think the algorithm stops there?

You've got a lot to learn.

Small steps, Sparks. Small steps.

Let's see those names.

[YouDig]

58. Well, except for the ConspiracyTron 2000 that goes in and rigs everything for Hillary.

[bvf]

63. Pure straw won't mask your ignorance.

Think. Can you do that for me?

https://m.

[YouDig]

64. You're really riled up about this jury thing huh?

Not really very complicated, more Berners at DU, more Berners on juries. I don't get it, why all the anger?

[bvf]

68. More straw. No anger at all.

But you're not thinking, and it's quite a sight.

Think.

[YouDig]

69. Angry, and a little nasty, too. Why not just explain your conspiracy theory?

[bvf]

75. Why not just admit that you

can't fully explain the selection process?

I recommend a trip to ATA, although the management will most likely ignore you, or give you an answer that it believes will make you nod sheepishly before you slink off in a muddled embarassment.

This much is clear: You don't know jack shit about software.

Think. Don't reduce yourself by asking for help.

Wait. That ship has sailed, hasn't it?

[YouDig]

77. But it's your conspiracy theory, so you should be the one to explain it.

I get it, you like insulting people, but how about an explanation. I'm really curious.

[bvf]

80. Think.

Can you do that for me? Please?

No?

I get it. It's beyond you.

You're "curious"?

Goes without saying.

Think. Use your head.

[Number23]

86. Well played, YouDig. The folks checking out transparency pages are... interesting.

[hrmjustin]

17. Pot kettle black.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=211998&sub=trans

[bvf]

84. Another non-thinker clocks in.

Really justin--you had scads more credit before this.

Way to fritter it away.

[hrmjustin]

85. Is that supposed to be an insult?

[bvf]

90. No, just an observation.

No one was saying you were ever rich on that score to begin with.

[cali]

6. Hilly fans like you should stay out of this awful, racist, corrupt, gun humping

regressive state.

[99Forever]

8. Another trip up Denial River.

[yallerdawg]

25. Where has Jane been?

She was Bernie's mouthpiece until the Burlington College/Tax Return "issue" popped up?

Doesn't it seem at best fair - at least less hypocritical - to apply the same standard to Hillary and Bernie?

The letters outline plausible problems in the legal arena.

If we apply the same fair standard - I have no doubt Bernie and Jane will be carried off to start their sentences any day now!

https://www.scribd.com/doc/313932607/Toensing-Letter-to-U-S-Attorney-of-Vt-Federal-Inspector-Gen-Re-Burlington-College-Loan

[anotherproletariat]

49. Good point. Haven't seen her lately. nt

[Bob-o the Clown]

66. Look up Victoria Toensing. EOM

[yallerdawg]

72. Look up Judicial Watch.

Look up Benghazi Committee.

Look up Fox News.

[tazkcmo]

26. The new talking points are in!

The new talking points are in!
The new talking points are in!

[anotherproletariat]

50. No, the big weekly talking point meeting that all Hillary supporters attend isn't until after

the holiday weekend. This is just situational.

[Henhouse]

87. lol...n/t

[libdem4life]

28. I read it some time ago.

Seems she atempted to start a small busines...a college. As is customary, loans were taken out for that purpose.

She was the Paid CEO. The enrollments did not come in. The college failed. She was paid a severance package.

Anyone in business knows that happens every day. Clinton's son in law did the same thing, and people lost a lot of money. They literally bet on the Greek economy. You may be sure he was paid handsomely throughout it all.

Certainly nothing Shady or even unusual. No FBI investigation will be forth coming..

[COLGATE4]

34. There is the small question about her misrepresenting the amount

of pledged donations the college had (by more than $2MM) to the bank in order to secure the loan.

[libdem4life]

37. Pledges are not funds.

If the college was not meeting enrollment targets then the pledges would be less likely to become actual funds.

I can't believe this is posing as the Sanders Scandal HRC folk have been so desperate to trot out. And last I checked, Jane Sanders and Clinton SIL Mark Mezvinsky are not running for Prrsident.

And since Chelsea also works in the hedge fund industry, although I'm not certain of her position, it would certainly suggest that the Clinton name was likely capitalized on.

So, there you have it. Nothing to see politically on either side. Of course Chelsea is paid handsomely by the Clinton Foundation and not double-dipping like some have. So there's that.

[yallerdawg]

36. Uh-huh.

Burlington College started in 1972 as the Vermont Institute of Community Involvement. A handful of students met in the living room of founder Dr. Steward LaCasce. It originally served adult learners and veterans.

In 2007, the College had 204 students at its main campus in buildings in downtown Burlington. Since most were part-time, this worked out to 130 "full-time equivalents". An additional 30 students studied off-campus.

During the tenure of Jane O’Meara Sanders the college took on significant debt, in 2010, to purchase 32 acres of property. Four years later, the financial condition of the college led its regional accreditor to place the college on probation and votes of no confidence in president Christine Plunkett from organizations representing students, faculty, and staff resulted in her resignation shortly thereafter. In May of 2016, the college announced that it would be closing. According to The Atlantic, a good portion of the school's financial troubles go back to Sanders' tenure at the college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_College

[libdem4life]

43. And your point is...failed business equals

scandal. Raising money, especially for a non profit is, um, common.

Kind of like trying to make a profit off Greece's suffering the deeds of their shady leaders...austerity.

Sorry to burst this Scandal Button, but wealthy investors know the risk.

Now shall we talk about war and Real Victims and devastation of entire cultures and leave both the family and the victimization of said wealthy inventors tit for tat for Real Issues that are up for discussion.

[yallerdawg]

44. A tiny thing in a tiny town in a tiny state - nothing at all like a Clinton scandal!

But several questions at a press conference held by the school’s president and dean elicited surprising replies. Asked whether Jane Sanders was to blame for the closure, President Carol Moore and Dean Coralee Holm declined to answer, even as they acknowledged that that the college’s press release, in naming the land purchase as the reason for the closure, implicitly pointed a finger in her direction. Smith and Holm also declined to comment on whether there was a federal investigation into the college, or whether the FBI or other authorities had interviewed faculty, staff, or administrators, or if they’d sent any subpoenas. Those “no comments” may raise eyebrows, since it’s generally assumed that if the answer was no, administrators would simply have said so.

A spokesman for Bernie Sanders’s campaign said the campaign would not be commenting on Burlington College’s closure. Jane Sanders could not immediately be reached for comment.

News conference:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/education/2016/05/16/live-burlington-college-news-conference/84447036/

[libdem4life]

48. Dying the death of a faux scandal

I think "implicitly pointing a finger" is unlikely to head the news.... here or anywhere.

And it is just this crap that keeps many otherwise qualified candidates out of the cesspool we call politics.

No one has a perfect family...who wants to put their family through that sewer.

[yallerdawg]

52. You're saying this to a Hillary supporter.

[libdem4life]

57. Sure am. And they have figured

out a way to be fabulously wealthy. They absolutely went into politics knowing full well the facts. They both thrive on adversity. That's downright unsettling.

[imagine2015]

33. Is that a right-wing pro-Trump memo? Just asking.

That's what Hillaryites ask whenever anyone posts something critical of Clinton.

Just replace "anti-Sanders" with "anti-Clinton" and there ya go!

And you trying to help Trump with anti-Sanders propaganda?

Again, just replace "anti-Sanders" with "anti-Clinton" and there ya go!

That's another talking point used against Bernie.

[yallerdawg]

45. Donor sues Burlington College, alleges misused money

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2016/02/22/founder-sues-burlington-college-alleges-misused-funds/80750564/

Scandal fallout continues

In an ambitious bid to grow the institution, Burlington College in 2011 purchased 32 acres acres of lakefront property from the Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington to establish a new campus. The college, then led by Jane O'Meara Sanders — wife of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. — persuaded banks to finance the deal with a plan to increase significantly enrollment and fundraising.

The money never materialized, and the fallout left the school in peril.

Jane Sanders quit in September 2011, less than a year after the diocese land deal. The New England Association of Schools and Colleges in June 2014 placed Burlington College on probation for having insufficient financial resources. The following month, Burlington College defaulted on its loan from the church.

[catnhatnh]

82. If you read the 3 month old story

you will see that Jane Sanders is not even named in the suit.

[passiveporcupine]

93. The suit was filed in 2014, when Sanders no longer worked there

She had nothing to do with the misuse of the funds, which the person responsible said would be transferred back into the account from another account, but that person left in 2014 during the scandal.

Again, nothing to do with Sanders.

[TexasBushwhacker]

55. The school was too small to survive

The problem is the school was simply too small to be sustainable. Yes, Jane's plan was ambitious but the school had to grow to survive. Yes, the plan failed. But the school was struggling BECAUSE it was too small. Less than 200 full time students? Most elementary schools are bigger!

BTW, the school sold at least 80% of the land to a developer. The fact that the remaining debt for approximately 7 acres shows just how precarious the college's situation was.

[passiveporcupine]

94. This is not true

they were paying off the debts. They owed 11 million after the land deal (not all due to the land deal) and they paid it down to 2 million, but the bank that normally gave them a yearly million dollar loan for operations, declined the loan.

They say they were just tired of carrying a school in the red, but the school was one semester away from going into the black.

I think the bank did this because Toensing and diGenova got to them.

[TexasBushwhacker]

97. Geez!

Why the witch hunt? Until he started doing well in the primaries, Bernie was a pretty small fish. Do you think they were manufacturing a scandal to challenge him the next time he was up for reelection to the Senate?

[passiveporcupine]

98. Well they are definitely trying to bring him down

I think it has more to do with this election though.

[yallerdawg]

59. What would a negative ad look like?

[cali]

61. Lol. A hilly fan castigating Bernie for a golden parachute

You gotta love irony

[yallerdawg]

62. Oh, YES - I love irony!

And hypocrisy even more!!!

[cali]

65. Do point out my hypocrisy

[yallerdawg]

70. What's good for the goose is good for the gander - right?

Want to see what a trump ad against Hillary will look like re her email fiasco?

[Bob-o the Clown]

67. Wrong target.

Let's get started with Williams Jefferson Blythe the Fourth, since you made Jane O'Meara Sanders fair game.

*creaks open Pandora*

[passiveporcupine]

95. That ad is lying

Jane got the golden parachute, not Bernie. And it's standard practice for college presidents to get one when they leave a college. And it was 200K, right?

Do you really think that is the kind of money Bernie is talking about? The kind of golden parachute he's talking about runs in the millions.

[frylock]

71. You can really tell Hillary has won by all the recycled crap being reposted here.

You guys really need Bernie out of the game before the shit hits the fan.

[YouDig]

73. ??? This article is from 2 days ago.

[yallerdawg]

74. This is new stuff!

As you know, it takes years for investigations to proceed, always hanging over your head?

We are just concerned about what will happen if Bernie is the nominee - or president - if he and Jane were to be indicted and convicted?

Oh what a disaster it would be!

I hope this doesn't sound too familiar?

[cali]

78. Lol. Not a chance. This is such a nothing burger

[yallerdawg]

79. It is!

That's the point!

to Barbara "Nothingburger" Boxer.

[Live and Learn]

81. How in the world could Bernie arrange the loan? And what would be illegal about it anyway?

Nothing at all!

[libdem4life]

83. It's all a sideshow. .. no more than HRC s SIL

losing millions of investor's money on a failed hedge fund. Neither are running for president.

Hogwash. Plain and simple

[Warren DeMontague]

88. if it turns out he arranged the loan, would that make him the

ah, never mind.

[passiveporcupine]

92. Another yellow button

and you haven't even been here that long.

Buh Bye!

Plonk

[AgingAmerican]

96. I love how her supporters are desperate to project her endless scandals onto Sanders