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YouDig

(2,280 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:50 AM May 2016

Bernie had the most advantages in the primary, and still lost.

He had the advantage of undemocratic caucuses, which favored his smaller-but-more-enthusiastic constituency.

He had the advantage of the GOP going after Hillary while leaving him alone or in some cases even helping him.

He had the advantage of decades of scandal-mongering by Hillary's GOP opponents. The GOP created multiple Benghazi investigations for the sole purpose of attacking her poll numbers. Imagine if the entire GOP devoted government resources to destroying Bernie.

He had the advantage of the media wanting to make it a horserace, and obsessing about every little Clinton "scandal" or misstep.

And probably the biggest advantage of all: he never had to worry about running in a general election, because he's been out of it since March. Hillary had to worry about not alienating Bernie supporters, because she needs them in the GE. Bernie doesn't care who he alienates because he knows he won't be running in the GE.

Bernie can afford to propose things that he can't possibly pay for and don't add up because he knows they will never get any real scrutiny like they would in a general. Hillary knows that what she says and campaigns on in the primary will have to hold up for a general as well.

Basically, Hillary has defeated Bernie with just one hand, using the other hand to fight off the GOP. Bernie used both hands, and still lost by a big margin.

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Bernie had the most advantages in the primary, and still lost. (Original Post) YouDig May 2016 OP
Bless your heart. n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #1
Wow....keep on believing that stuff. insta8er May 2016 #2
You contend that the corporate media helped Bernie? Ooooookaaaaaay.... nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #3
How many Corporate Media television shows has Hillary been on?? thelordofhell May 2016 #38
Now. After being ignored for a good long time. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #41
Bwahahahaha... 99Forever May 2016 #4
Fairy tales! immoderate May 2016 #5
I keep wondering how this one is still here Matt_in_STL May 2016 #6
Right? vintx May 2016 #8
You forgot the most important benefit FlaGranny May 2016 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #9
The trick to make crap believable is to make it sound true. You FAILED! hobbit709 May 2016 #10
k&R stonecutter357 May 2016 #11
It's amazing how many people still want to talk about Bernie. bigwillq May 2016 #12
It's amazing people are still supporting Clinton. JudyM May 2016 #32
And Hillary had her former campaign chairperson at the top of the DNC. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #13
Lol. Please find reputable analysts who agree with that cali May 2016 #14
538. Oh wait, I forgot, they are part of the conspiracy. YouDig May 2016 #15
Provide a link, dear. A link that states that Bernie had all the advantages in cali May 2016 #21
Excellent OP. It appears as though you struck a nerve. eom Blanks May 2016 #22
Struck a nerve? pmorlan1 May 2016 #27
A nerve, a funny bone... Blanks May 2016 #31
There have been so many pmorlan1 May 2016 #34
Bernie has lost... Blanks May 2016 #36
I hope you feel better now pmorlan1 May 2016 #40
I do. You'd probably feel better if you could get off your back. eom Blanks May 2016 #42
I know imitation is supposed to be the sincerest form of flattery, but yours is a pale cali May 2016 #16
One day you will wake up from your fantasy, trip, or whatever you call it. JRLeft May 2016 #17
Someone backup the dump truck STAT! nft. nc4bo May 2016 #18
So funny. First question, why does the Democratic Party so often insist on caucuses if they are Bluenorthwest May 2016 #19
I don't know, I don't run the party. If I did, there would be no more caucuses. YouDig May 2016 #23
^^ mikeysnot May 2016 #20
Hey! All the talking points under one roof!!! cliffordu May 2016 #24
thats funny in a trollish sort of way. aikoaiko May 2016 #25
Member since: Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:35 PM jeff47 May 2016 #26
Already has a yellow button too n/t dragonfly301 May 2016 #33
Does he get paid if the post is hidden? 6 hidden posts in 6 weeks jg10003 May 2016 #35
really? clinton had 8 years in the WH oldandhappy May 2016 #28
media salivated over trump and clinton, black listed bernie oldandhappy May 2016 #29
And closed primaries are to Clinton's advantage TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #30
You owe me a keyboard nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
A truly idiotic post. nt Bonobo May 2016 #39

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
38. How many Corporate Media television shows has Hillary been on??
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

Bernie is almost a permanent Sunday show guest.............

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
7. You forgot the most important benefit
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

to Bernie - being completely IGNORED by the media for the first 8 months or so of his campaign. That helped him tremendously. He was also helped a great deal by the "hidden" debates. It was of tremendous benefit to him to keep most of the country from knowing who he was as long as possible.

Response to YouDig (Original post)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
12. It's amazing how many people still want to talk about Bernie.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

Thank you for keeping him front and center on DU.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. Provide a link, dear. A link that states that Bernie had all the advantages in
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

the primary, as you so preposterous claim.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
34. There have been so many
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

indescribably absurd posts lately that it's like watching Comedy Central.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
36. Bernie has lost...
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

To me, it's interesting to see the analysis of why that is. There seems to be so many Bernie supporters (particularly here at DU), but it's pretty much done, it's over. It's been over for a while.

A lot of people obviously like him, show up to cheer his speeches, and sing his praises, but there are a lot of us who (while we would have voted for him had he gotten the nomination) grow weary of the distraction.

He embarrassed himself with his trip to the Vatican, his wife bankrupted that little college back home. He's human, he's not as pure as the driven snow.

He tried, he lost, it's over. There's nothing particularly amusing about detailing the advantages that he had, and nothing especially impressive about using the emoticon when you don't have anything interesting to say.

Move on.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. I know imitation is supposed to be the sincerest form of flattery, but yours is a pale
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

And dishonest imitation.

I am not flattered.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. So funny. First question, why does the Democratic Party so often insist on caucuses if they are
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

inherently undemocratic? I mean, Nevada only started theirs in 2008 with Harry Reid as a major proponent of the caucus. Hillary has won all the contested Nevada Democratic caucuses in history. Was that also undemocratic? When Bernie supporters thought so, your team claimed to be very, very loyal to the Party and unwilling to question it. Washington, your team wanted to call the Primary the legitimate result, bashed that caucus. Washington also has a caucus because the Democratic Party insisted upon it and litigated against the State for the right to hold one. You are extremely critical of the Party, far more so than Bernie supporters. The double standard is glaring.

Bernie was a virtual unknown and his rival the most famous woman in the country, a bastion of Party politics married to an ex- President. All advantage was Hillary's, all of it and then some. In spite of this, she's still running for delegates against the no longer unknown Bernie Sanders.
Politics, it's full of surprises.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
23. I don't know, I don't run the party. If I did, there would be no more caucuses.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

And yeah, the Nevada caucus, like all other caucuses, was undemocratic. If it was up to me there would be a primary there instead.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
24. Hey! All the talking points under one roof!!!
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

I knew you crazy kids would start getting paid by the word instead of per post sooner or later.

Awesome!

It'll save time whilst scrolling past the other garbage and cut n'paste y'all have been spamming this site with since....well, April, in your case.

On edit:

Never seen anyone willing to serve on a jury with ZERO chance of serving before. Your peeps should be very proud.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. Member since: Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

So, is this a per-post gig, or is it hourly? Do you get a bonus for posts that hit the greatest page?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
28. really? clinton had 8 years in the WH
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

That is the biggest advantage anyone ever had -- massive name recognition.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,205 posts)
30. And closed primaries are to Clinton's advantage
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

By not allowing millions of independents to cast their vote in any primary, Democratic or Republican, we really don't know who they would vote for. My guess is that those who lean left were more likely to support Sanders.

Bernie did well in caucus states. HRC did best in states she has no hope of winning in the GE.

And there's the name recognition thing.

Meanwhile you support the only candidate who has ever been under investigation by the FBI.

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