Only 10 days until Democratic Presumptive Nominee Day ...

[SFnomad]

How will you be celebrating Secretary Clinton's victory?

[redstatebluegirl]

1. Thank heavens maybe DU can be a semi sane place again.

[nilram]

113. Yes, we will all be in one agreement, in one accord

and if we aren't, then we won't be here, will we.

Once the presumptive nominee is presumed, our presumptions will be enforced.

[RobertEarl]

2. Not until the convention, sport

And what about the FBI? State has weighed in and she's looking really bad. What do you think? Thinks she'll get away with it?

[SFnomad]

5. You don't understand what a presumptive nominee is then, sport n/t

[RobertEarl]

7. At this point - pissing in the wind

Try to keep dry, sport

[SFnomad]

8. Yeah, you can lead a BS cheerleader to knowledge, but you can't make them think ... eh, sport? n/t

[insta8er]

39. Thats funny coming from an HRC supporter... LOL

[RobertEarl]

11. Our (ahem) friends need our Love

Their Heroine is about to bow out of the race and it will be a crushing blow to their sensibilities as the man left standing will be the one they have been smearing all this time.

We should stand ready to forgive them for they knew not what they were doing.

Of course they shall repent and become Berned or they may never show their monikers on DU again. When they do repent and asked to be forgiven, we Berners shall exude the greatest Love we can muster and allow them some space.

But the days ahead will be hard for them from the top down for their dream is crushed and put off until someone like Warren is able to take up their banner 4 or 8 years from now.

[Garrett78]

52. You really believe that, don't you?

What will you do if you're proven wrong? Will you pull a mea culpa?

[anotherproletariat]

85. Please try to remember this post in a few months, and then ask yourself how you (and thousands

of others) could have been so susceptible to persuasion with no solid facts to support the claims of the person who sold you this bill of goods. It has the potential of being a moment of growth for those who were so easily convinced, and hopefully will help in the future when other politicians try to do the same thing.

[RobertEarl]

89. It will all be ok

Bernie will be the nominee and all will be well again. The only one trying to sell me a bill of goods was Hillary. Her and Bill said it was all good. But it's not. Get thee ready to vote the Bernie.

[Carolina]

116. Great post, RobertEarl

eom

[k8conant]

80. We know what a presumptuous candidate is.

[SFnomad]

83. Yeah, but we're not talking about BS right now ... we're talking about the Presumptive Nominee, HRC

[k8conant]

88. you are talking BS

[Demsrule86]

63. Skinner will call it

so maybe a Reddit group? You won't be allowed to post anymore BSSERS BS about Hillary.

[Gomez163]

76. Once the primaries are over means June 8 we have some sanity here

[k8conant]

81. Primaries aren't over until June 14

[Gomez163]

93. I doubt they'll wait for DC

[k8conant]

95. Who are they?

[Garrett78]

101. Gomez likely means the media.

The media (and millions of people) that referred to Obama as the presumptive nominee by the end of the primaries in 2008, and that race was closer than this year's.

[Demsrule86]

124. Hillary will be the presumptive nominee

before California comes in-Jersey will put her over...and I hope Skinner calls it then to stop the madness here but June 16th will come...so either way...it is over for Bernie.

[puffy socks]

128. Yep.

"Either way...it is over for Bernie."

A great big AMEN to that!

[Demsrule86]

122. After California

sport...in fact Jane Sander was asked what they would do on June 8th and she said go home to Vermont...he will concede or all the convention goodies go away...you know like the Obama hater West .

[cali]

3. I will be glad for the handful of gracious Hillary supporters on DU

In real life, I don't know a single one. They're a rare breed here.

[oasis]

4. Trashing dozens of e-mail threads. nt

[99Forever]

48. It's a lovely evening for a cruise ...

... up Denial River.

[workinclasszero]

6. Ill be here watching the sweet sweet meltdown

of the Bernie dead enders.

[SFnomad]

9. +1

[CorkySt.Clair]

18. It may end up looking like a rapture of Berners

[Purveyor]

28. Near miss an opportunity to post this:

[puffy socks]

87. Same here!

I'm going to enjoy every moment.

[davidlynch]

10. She's the Presumptuous Nominee n/t

[riversedge]

19. Imitating Hillary I see. I best form of flattery

[Duckhunter935]

12. Not until the votes are cast

And even then not celebrating but accepting with regret

[SFnomad]

14. There is a Debbie Downer in every crowd n/t

[Txbluedog]

13. Hillary will be the presumptive nominee on the 7th

She will become the nominee at the convention after she wins the first ballot. We as democrats need to come together when that time cones and look to what we can do to defeat Trump and the republicans

[SFnomad]

15. +1000 n/t

[brooklynite]

16. I think the appropriate course would be...

California Red Wine.

[Brother Buzz]

25. This California winemaker doesn't drink red until the sun goes down

I'll be drinking a chilled Sauvignon Blanc when they announce New Jersey puts her over the top; to Hell with all that Super Delegate nonsense.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. yeah, because Debbie Wasserman Schultz won't have you sent to prison for indulging in that one.

[brooklynite]

64. Whether she would or not, I've never felt the desire to try any.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Objectively and scientifically speaking

alcohol is a much nastier drug.

[Fumesucker]

106. Yeah, but alcohol is the drug of the wealthy

Seriously, the higher your income the more likely you are to drink alcohol.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184358/drinking-highest-among-educated-upper-income-americans.aspx

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Upper-income and highly educated Americans are more likely than other Americans to say they drink alcohol. Whereas eight in 10 adults in these socio-economic status groups say they drink, only about half of lower-income Americans and those with a high school diploma or less say they drink.

[brooklynite]

115. Lower income people don't drink beer?

[Warren DeMontague]

146. I still think a lot of these East Coast folks would be utterly stupefied by the way we do things out

here.

Cannabis is used recreationally by all kinds of people- successful tech types, scientists, creatives, etc. It's just not that big of a deal. Shit, I'm sort of an outlier because I personally only indulge once in a blue moon- like maybe take a hit off a joint once every few years at a Ratdog show, if I don't have to drive.

'Course when I do I'm nice and lit, because the tolerance isn't there.

But it's funny- even back when I hadn't smoked it for years and years, I would travel to the East Coast and some ginkus would invariably randomly grab me on the street "hey pssst psssst got any WEEEEED?"

Maybe I looked like a hippie, or just relaxed .... the one guy in Manhattan without a stress-fueled stick up his rear; well obviously sir, that must be what I'm here for.

Derp.

[George II]

66. More like New Jersey micro brew.

[CorkySt.Clair]

17. I'm more interested in what the Admins here are going to do

I've read a few of Skinner's responses to questions about when the TOS will be enforced again and it sure seems by some of the language he has used that there's going to be some people that won't be here anymore.

I'd invite anyone who doesn't read the ask the admins section to check it out for themselves. Pretty interesting stuff.

[Txbluedog]

20. I am assuming

That since this is democratic underground, a lot of ant-nominee or anti-establishment posts will not be tolerated

[CorkySt.Clair]

21. From what I have read, that is correct.

[redstateblues]

79. No Bernie or Busters or Trump enablers

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Last I heard, it was that they know exactly who all the zombies and socks are

and they'll be takin' that stuff out to the curb first!

[basselope]

22. She's not going to win enough pledged delegates to be presumptive nominee.

[SFnomad]

23. Yes, she will be the Presumptive Nominee ... just because you don't understand what one is

won't change that fact.

On June 3rd, 2008, Barack Obama was called the Presumptive Nominee ... and he was in the same situation Secretary Clinton will be in now.

[basselope]

27. Incorrect.

It wasn't until June 7th when Clinton formerly withdrew. Before then, it was an assumption, not a presumption.

Bernie will not be withdrawing.

[SFnomad]

29. You're wrong n/t

[basselope]

33. No

[SFnomad]

35. Believe what you want ... you're not going to be happy on June 8th when the media, the posters, DU

and everyone else are calling Secretary Clinton the Presumptive Democratic Nominee then.

[basselope]

36. The media and posters on DU are not "everyone".

And there is plenty of time between then and the convention to save us from 4 years of Trump, which is what Clinton brings us.

[SFnomad]

38. You are going to be sorely disappointed when President Clinton is sworn in, Jan 2017 n/t

[basselope]

40. LMAO!

0% chance.

[SFnomad]

42. The only one with 0% chance will be BS, being that he won't be in the general election n/t

[basselope]

43. Sorry the truth hurts.

Hillary will not be president.

I have NEVER gotten a presidential prediction wrong.

It won't happen this time.

[SFnomad]

44. You can dream all you want ... HRC will be President n/t

[basselope]

47. LMAO!

Right. Without winning Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina or PA.

SUUUURe she will.

Dear god.. you people make me laugh.

[SFnomad]

49. I don't understand why so many of you people want tRump to be President n/t

[dlwickham]

51. because they're hateful bastards?

[basselope]

55. Its not a matter of want, it is a matter of reality

[840high]

110. That's what Hillary would bring us. A Trump win.

[Garrett78]

54. Trump's going to win all 5 of those states, eh?

If he doesn't, you'll be the first to acknowledge that you were wrong, right?

[basselope]

56. I don't have to worry about that.

[Garrett78]

73. Because GDP will be closed by then? People will remember all of the nonsense that was spewed.

[basselope]

75. Because the result is obvious to anyone paying attention.

[Garrett78]

77. Hmm, I guess most outside of the DU bubble aren't paying attention.

Because there's a pretty broad consensus that Clinton will win in November.

[basselope]

96. Completely untrue.

But, those inside the bubble don't really look for actual information.

[Garrett78]

98. The web is swimming with articles about how Clinton is much more likely to reach 270 electoral votes

From highly regarded sources. And oddsmakers heavily favor Clinton. If you're so confident that Trump will win, I suggest you make a wager, because you'll make a boatload.

[basselope]

100. LMAO!

Ahh, gotta love the bubble.

I;ve offered a 250K wager, but no one will take me on it.

[Garrett78]

104. The DU bubble isn't representative of the population at large.

Most are well aware of the general consensus, even if you deny it.

I don't have $250,000, but I suppose that doesn't really matter. I'll take your bet.

[basselope]

105. You will need to provide proof of liquid assets in that amount

If you are unable to do so.. you are unable to accept the bet.

The other person was unwilling to do so, but claimed ability.

[Corporate666]

108. What is the bet?

That Hillary won't win the Presidency?

And you are wagering $250k?

If so, I will take your bet - and I am not joking.

[basselope]

109. Yes, that is the bet.

You will need to provide proof of liquid assets to cover the bet to an escrow company.

[Gomez163]

94. Say that here after June 8 and see what happens

[basselope]

99. I'll say whatever I want, whenever I want.

?t=1m54s

[basselope]

140. :)

Consequences be damned!

[Demsrule86]

70. 60 supers committed to Obama in 08 and Hillary dropped out

Same thing happens this time..if Bernie hangs around it doesn't matter...he is out after the first vote but I would bet he loses all his convention goodies if he does that...notice that Bernie says stays in until all the votes lately...that mean after California or DC at the latest he is out.

[basselope]

74. Bernie will stay in until the convention.

[joshcryer]

112. He will concede June 10th.

[basselope]

139. LOL

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. If she wins. *Shrug* - Same old establiment shit - new face.

If she wins the GE - start holding her feet to the fire.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. IOWs, start bitching, moaning and whining about every ...

speculative point that might occur ... if.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

97. Poor Hillary. Tsk. Tsk.

[Demsrule86]

67. And we keep the courts

The fact that you guys don't understand the importance of the courts...makes me believe you don't understand how our Republican works and your so called revolution is doomed just like occupy...which many of us tried to work with...but it was like the wind...no leaders and no ideas...no accomplishments. That is the thing about the pie in the sky left...they never get anything done...they are spoilers at worst and nothings at best...I mean what has Bernie ever accomplished? I work hard at getting real things done...work at food banks, do book bags for kids etc...things that matter. I am a proud liberal but I do not believe in pie in the sky Bernie Sanders...who would lose badly in the general so I thank God Hillary has won...9 days now.

[Jack Bone]

26. Did they move the Convention up? nt

[rock]

30. I'll be eating my birthday cake.

(I was born June 7, 1944: the day after D-Day).

[grossproffit]

31. Happy early birthday!

[rock]

32. Thx

[PowerToThePeople]

34. By donating to Bernie.

eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Imagine...

[restorefreedom]

45. A. she will not be the "presumptive nominee" if or until

bernie drops out or the supers vote, which is at the convention

B. if that happens, i will not be celebrating i will be mourning because our country will be going to a bad, bad, place

[SFnomad]

50. You clearly don't understand what the Presumptive Nominee is then

Obama because Presumptive Nominee on June 3rd, 2008 ... BEFORE Clinton dropped out ... and BEFORE Superdelegates voted. And they needed to count Superdelegates as well for him, to say he was the Presumptive Nominee.

Clinton will be no different in 2016 and she will be known as the Democratic Presumptive Nominee on June 7th

[restorefreedom]

119. obama did not have a criminal investigation over his head

and an increasing amgst among the dem elite that he would lose big in a ge while another candidate who could win big is ready to go in a ge.

she will not be the presumptive nom. oh and that is if she WINS cal. if she loses, it is unlikely she will be the nom at all, presumptive or otherwise

[Demsrule86]

71. No...the supers will commit...she will have

a majority of the pledged delegates which makes her the presumptive nominee...9 days...and Bernie is an also ran.

[baldguy]

46. By watching all the BoBs disappear from DU.

[Garrett78]

53. Wow, there are a lot of folks posting in your thread who don't seem to know what 'presumptive' means

Get a dictionary, peeps.

[SFnomad]

60. I don't know if it's ignorance, willfully obtuse ... or just denial n/t

[Garrett78]

84. I don't know either. Every time I visit DU I see mountains of nonsense.

I compiled a partial list here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512067838

And that doesn't even include all of the conspiracy stuff, such as all of the folks today who were convinced that the bogus story about the DMX song was started by David Brock or some shadowy "they" that people kept referring to.

[Logical]

58. Not after this annoying OP. nt

[DJ13]

61. That means only 9 days until the indictment

[Demsrule86]

62. Right here on Dem underground

As I watch all those who posted vicious posts about Hillary finally face the facts...Bernie lost people. The end.

[George II]

65. Something like this:

[barrow-wight]

68. I find her opponent so revolting ...

that I'm going to celebrate his failure as much as I will her success.

[Demsrule86]

72. I agree

I can't stand Bernie Sanders...everyday he gets worse.

[barrow-wight]

103. Yep.

Each day I find myself looking at the news wondering what ridiculous stunt he or his hooligans have pulled now.

[k8conant]

78. I can't celebrate anything that doesn't happen

[SFnomad]

82. Just because you put your hands over your ears and close your eyes, doesn't mean something didn't

happen ... Secretary Clinton will be the Presumptive Nominee on June 7th, no matter how much denial you are in.

[k8conant]

86. I doubt that...

Hillary needs 613 of the remaining 783 pledged delegates (through June 14) to have 2382 to clinch. That's 78.3%. I doubt that...

[Garrett78]

90. The 2008 race was closer yet Obama was the presumptive nominee by the end of the primaries.

With a clear majority of pledged delegates, the rest is mere formalities.

[Cali_Democrat]

91. ..and what percentage of remaining pledged delegates does Bernie need to clinch? nt

[Thinkingabout]

92. Gearing up to work hard to win the GE

[merrily]

102. LOL! AGAIN? or STILL? In media, Hillary has been the PRESUMPTIVE nominee for years and counting.

It's been obvious that some of you are trying to make a big deal of the term, but I've been reading it and hearing it on TV for years, during the coronation attempt. Anyone who expects it to impress me so much now should have been more careful how its been thrown around since 2012.

http://pix11.com/2014/12/12/de-blasio-not-clinton-will-snag-democratic-presidential-nod-in-2016-according-to-gop-chairman/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/10/no-one-s-going-to-challenge-hillary-clinton.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/16/hillary_clinton_wins_ohio_florida_north_carolina_is_now_the_presumptive.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/memo-to-hillary-how-to-win-right/480210/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/11/hillary-clinton-will-almost-certainly-clinch-the-democratic-nomination-on-june-7/http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton/

http://moelane.com/tag/hillary-clinton/page/14/

https://jimmycsays.com/2015/03/12/hillary-clinton-inevitable-democratic-nominee-maybe-less-so-than-a-week-ago/

http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/01/07/hillary-clintons-marriage-position-could-be-used-shield-republican-cand

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/topic/hillary%20clinton/ti-AA9B82b

http://2016inthenews.com/tag/Democrat+Nominee+Hillary+Clinton

And there's lots more where those came from (the ever-accommodating Mr. Google).

[grasswire]

107. remember, these Hillaryans here are the ones who were saying last week..

.....there was NO investigation of the emails going on.

Goalposts shifted.

[slipslidingaway]

111. No more donations or time spent on a presidential candidate...

the Dem party chose their candidate from the get go by holding the first debate two and a half months behind the Republicans while the Repubs dominated the news day after day. Many people said it was a mistake at the time.

And the first debate was held after the NY deadline to declare a party, even two of Trump's children missed the deadline to vote for him in NY, and you cannot say that everyone else that missed the deadline were just too stupid and should have known better! Why do you need over 5 months to register for a party and vote in NY? Not to mention all those in NY who were dropped from the voting records!

I will not celebrate 'a victory' that disenfranchises millions of people and a nominee that has several active investigations, the outcome of which, we still do not know.

As was said at the time last year when the Dems took a back seat to the Repubs, if they win, we have only to look at the party leaders who sat on their hands thinking Clinton was going to glide into victory without too much trouble. But the Dems failed to read the state of the people in our nation, the young are saddled with outrageous student debt and the old are experiencing escalating costs with a flatling income. The middle class is shrinking and nobody in our party seems to notice the long term detrimental effects it will have.

Will I be celebrating regime change in another country without having the foresight as to the deadly consequences of their people and how it might affect other countries and our national security?

We need a leader who does not just say I made a mistake time and time again, apologies are nice, but if you lack the proper judgement at crucial moments in history then we need someone else. This is not a popularity contest, too many lives are at stake.

[99Forever]

117. How many days until...

... Slow Motion Coronation Express Train Wreck Day?

[SFnomad]

118. Y'all must enjoy those sour grapes ... never seen a group a people be so bitter before n/t

[99Forever]

120. What I enjoy...

... is honesty and integrity from candidates I support. Not lying, cheating, and acting as if they are privileged, entitled, above the law "special" royalty.

But you keep right on talking shit about me, I don't really don't give flying fuck what you think.

[SFnomad]

121. I had to check to see if I was at DU or if I ended up in Free Republic by mistake n/t

[99Forever]

125. Wow...

... that's reeeeeeeeeeealllllly original!

[B Calm]

123. Presume all you want, it's still not a clinch until the convention!

[SFnomad]

126. It will be clinched on June 7th ... BS dead enders will be the only ones arguing otherwise n/t

[B Calm]

127. No way possible, and Hillary supporters are suppose to be so good at math. LOL

[SFnomad]

129. It will be interesting to see what June 8th is like here ... when you crash head first into reality

Or will you still be in denial?

[B Calm]

130. Like I said, if administrators call it before the primary is clinched, they might as well

remove the underground name, it won't have the same meaning.

[SFnomad]

132. The primary WILL be clinched. This is the SAME THING they did in 2008 when Obama was called the

Presumptive Nominee. When he clinched the nomination on June 3rd (and they had to count Superdelegates as well) and Clinton had NOT withdrawn yet ... they STILL called Obama the Presumptive Nominee.

This is what will happen with Secretary Clinton as well ... it doesn't matter how much you try to ignore it. It will still happen.

[B Calm]

133. A presume is NOT a CLINCH!

[SFnomad]

136. You can lead a BS cheerleader to knowledge, but you can't make them think

Look, you can live in your own reality all you want ... but a Presumptive Nominee is one that has clinched the nomination, but hasn't been officially nominated at their convention. Secretary Clinton will be that person after June 7th. It's no different then how they determined it back in 2008. There may have been some PUMAs that were just as delusional back then, but I don't remember it being like that. Then again, those PUMAs became irrelevant because of their delusions ... and the BS cheerleaders are heading down that same path.

[SmittynMo]

131. Secretary Clinton's victory?

There they go again, referring to the definition of delusional.

[SFnomad]

134. The definition of delusional is using #BernieMath

On June 7th, Secretary Clinton WILL clinch the nomination.

[SmittynMo]

135. And again

delusionally, you are listening to the corrupt corporate media again. Super delegates should NEVER be counted until the convention. NEVER!!! Want proof from the horses mouth? How about the DNC? Is that good enough for you?

[SFnomad]

137. If Superdelegates should NEVER be counted until the convention, why are you counting them

to compute the number of delegates needed to clinch? You can't have it both ways.

Fine, let's take Superdeletes out completely. The total number of Pledged Delegates is 4051, which means a candidate needs 2026 to clinch. Secretary Clinton currently has about 1770 pledged delegates, meaning she only needs about 256. She will have surpassed that amount on June 7th and will then be the Presumptive Nominee because she has clinched the nomination.

[SmittynMo]

142. Gee I guess we'll have to

wait it out to see. I'm thinking you'll find neither will reach the goal, which opens it up big time.

[SFnomad]

143. You're going to be majorly disappointed on June 8th when the media, DU and the Democratic Party

will be viewing Secretary Clinton as the Presumptive Nominee.

[SmittynMo]

144. I'm counting on it.

Again..... Delusional. I give up.

[SFnomad]

145. Yes, you are delusional ... it's clear for everyone to see n/t

[OhZone]

138. Lots of alcohol and sex with my lesbian lover! nt

[NCTraveler]

141. I've already celebrated her victory on this one. Nt