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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:01 PM May 2016

Markos Moulitsas: Bernie and his supporters want to disenfranchise women and minorities.

Markos Moulitsas is the founder of the liberal blog Daily Kos.

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By Markos Moulitsas

Knowing it’s lost electorally, the Bernie Sanders campaign is now pushing for a superdelegate coup, one that would discard the will of the Democratic primary electorate in favor of an unearned coronation. Whether willfully or not, such a strategy is not just an affront to basic democratic principles, it would also serve to disenfranchise the growth demographics powering the modern Democratic Party.

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Just as distressing, consider the big story of this Democratic primary: The party’s growth demographics — Latinos, African-Americans and women — have chosen a woman for the first time. Sanders and his people are arguing that should be thrown by the wayside because white voters prefer a white male candidate. If you ever wondered what “white privilege” was, well, you now have Exhibit A. The arrogance is astonishing, as is the lack of awareness of what he is suggesting.

This is a different Democratic Party than it was the past, and any movement seeking to upend the establishment will need a broad demographic focus from inception. Picking a white guy wasn’t the miscalculation, it was picking one from the whitest state in the union who had done zero work to build necessary coalitions among the party’s core constituencies. He thought income inequality was a transcendent message that cut across race and sex. Reality is far more complex.

Thus, Sanders’s final play this cycle is an attempt to disenfranchise the party’s voters, and in particular, the brown and black alliance that propelled Hillary Clinton to victory. Is that really the legacy he wants to leave behind?

Read more:

http://thehill.com/opinion/markos-moulitsas/281114-moulistas-sanderss-socialist-coup

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Markos Moulitsas: Bernie and his supporters want to disenfranchise women and minorities. (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2016 OP
Cheese Sandwich: Markos Moulitsas is a pig Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #1
Clearly he hasn't heard Bernie speak. Cuz otherwise you'd have to say he's lying... cui bono May 2016 #21
I have been saying this for months bravenak May 2016 #2
And you've been wrong every time you've said it. cui bono May 2016 #25
Yes you have pmorlan1 May 2016 #54
It represents the tone-deafness Bernie has when it comes to anything but economics. CrowCityDem May 2016 #3
Bernie understands very well what women and PoC are about. cui bono May 2016 #18
He thinks he should be handed what a woman actually WON. He's tone deaf, totally. CrowCityDem May 2016 #31
What? I don't think you watched the videos. cui bono May 2016 #42
I don't need videos. He says he deserves something Hillary won. CrowCityDem May 2016 #45
Oh, and Hillary thinks she should TAKE AWAY what women actually won. cui bono May 2016 #44
Your issue is with the courts, which have always said restrictions are appropriate. CrowCityDem May 2016 #46
No, my issue is with a politician willing to compromise a woman's right to control her own body. cui bono May 2016 #53
That's why talking in absolutes is dangerous. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58
Whatcha done for me lately? forjusticethunders May 2016 #38
Yeah, and Hillary ignored a BLM activist and kept right on talkng as she was led away, cui bono May 2016 #47
Too bad Markos has lost it. elleng May 2016 #4
Completely. Or could it be he is just misinformed and hasn't seen these: cui bono May 2016 #26
I guess it's possible, but in his role I'd say not likely; elleng May 2016 #37
Fuck Marcos. Autumn May 2016 #5
Powerful retort. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #12
Yeah only because he's a powerful POS. Autumn May 2016 #19
Is it more or less powerful than "but she's winning"? cui bono May 2016 #30
How many times are u gonna post these same videos in this thread? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #33
How many times are you going to catapult the propaganda? cui bono May 2016 #36
Seriously. He should watch these... cui bono May 2016 #27
Most people are too smart for fall for the Berniebadwithwomen brockshit. Autumn May 2016 #34
Oh Markos. Bernie is winning by large numbers with women under 45. jillan May 2016 #6
You do realize that women 45 and over also vote and their votes count just as much? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #7
Myself and some other over 45s like him too n/t TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #15
But tou are not in the majority. There are also women under 45 who support Hillary lunamagica May 2016 #41
And many women over 45 love him! Here's why: cui bono May 2016 #32
It does not matter Demsrule86 May 2016 #64
Yep. nt LexVegas May 2016 #8
More lying sacks of shit then there are recycling facilities, I see. Nft. nc4bo May 2016 #9
Clearly they've never really listened to Bernie or looked into him at all. cui bono May 2016 #51
DU rec for the very best reason of all...nt SidDithers May 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #11
Especially when he has fought for equality for all his whole adult life. cui bono May 2016 #52
Been noticing his bias for months now. Duval May 2016 #13
FAIL. Why can't Hillary fans deal with facts? Why the constant race baiting? cui bono May 2016 #14
Hillary is winning the majority of female and minority voters. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #17
Not surprised your response has nothing of substance in it. cui bono May 2016 #20
It really is hard for u folks to accept the fact that Hillary has more voters than Bernie. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #22
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague May 2016 #16
That's where politics reaches the looney zone. mmonk May 2016 #23
Markos the conservadem piggy is why I left kos- years ago cali May 2016 #24
Sanders campaign was always about white workinclasszero May 2016 #28
Oh yeah, because Clinton has been out in front on those issues. basselope May 2016 #40
I think you're confused. We're talking about Bernie Sanders. The guy who said this: cui bono May 2016 #57
Gee, it's not like more information has come out in the 4 months since black voters in the South XemaSab May 2016 #29
Or a misogynist. nt cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #48
Time to pout....... Wilms May 2016 #35
More stupid, idiotic race and gender baiting bullshit. He's gone off the deep end. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #39
And he wonders why his traffic has dropped off so dramatically? basselope May 2016 #43
HE called it MArch 15. MohRokTah May 2016 #49
Incorrect. basselope May 2016 #62
Hey, has anyone seen these videos?... SidDithers May 2016 #50
Good one Sid! redstateblues May 2016 #55
I LOVE those! I'm going to get the director's uncut version when they come out on Blu-Ray. cui bono May 2016 #56
Sanders will not be successful in appealing to super delegates Gothmog May 2016 #59
This part bravenak May 2016 #60
K&R And I'm sure that everyoe is shocked that the folks here that do nothing but shit on and minimiz Number23 May 2016 #61
It's very disappointing that both when and minorities are expendable to Bernie's campaign. barrow-wight May 2016 #63
Berie also said the abortion issue Demsrule86 May 2016 #65
I'm still trying to figure out who he IS for. barrow-wight May 2016 #66
I'm a woman and don't feel disenfranchised. SMC22307 May 2016 #67

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
25. And you've been wrong every time you've said it.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

Did you know Bernie got arrested fighting for civil rights in the 60's? Not sure if you've heard that before.

And then there's this:







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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
3. It represents the tone-deafness Bernie has when it comes to anything but economics.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

If he can't understand that women and people of color, who make up the WINNING coalition in the Democratic primary, would be rightfully pissed off that the election was stolen from their choice and handed to the person with the majority of white male support, he needs an education in society. No, there isn't conscious racism involved in the decision to throw this garbage out there, but it does show a complete lack of any understanding that there is a different life experience beyond being a white man.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
18. Bernie understands very well what women and PoC are about.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

He got arrested in the 60's fighting for civil rights. He has fought for equality his entire adult life. It's only Hillary supporters who try to minimize that and pretend he "does not get it" and that only white males support him. That meme is tired and old, I mean really, it's from the day he announced.

If you really want to know what Bernie thinks about women, since it was women mentioned in the OP title, watch these. And then kindly stop posting things that are not true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512076298#post14








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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. Oh, and Hillary thinks she should TAKE AWAY what women actually won.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

Through a long hard battle:

Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html


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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
53. No, my issue is with a politician willing to compromise a woman's right to control her own body.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

Hillary is willing to give that up by compromising with Republicans.

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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
58. That's why talking in absolutes is dangerous.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

I don't think it's unreasonable to say you can't have an abortion the day before your due date. All rights have some limits on them, even speech.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
38. Whatcha done for me lately?
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

He made a (very nice) speech after getting challenged by BLM and showed up at a meeting at 2000. Good things. But that isn't "spending your life fighting for equality".

And don't even mention Hillary (who has done a MUCH better job making up for her past shortcomings on race and equality), because a "revolutionary, anti-establishment democratic socialist" if anything needs to SET the curve on these issues, not just be there when it's convenient or easy.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
47. Yeah, and Hillary ignored a BLM activist and kept right on talkng as she was led away,
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

and also pointed in other BLM activists' faces and told them maybe she should just talk to white people then.

And let's not forget the smear campaign against Bernie's race relations that started on day one. A Rovian "whisper" type smear campaign. Too bad dirty politics works, especially when you have all the corporate media on your side.

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elleng

(131,006 posts)
37. I guess it's possible, but in his role I'd say not likely;
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

more like he's 'lost it' for some reason.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
30. Is it more or less powerful than "but she's winning"?
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016


Oh, did you get a chance to watch these yet? I know you didn't before your "powerful retort" to where I posted them for you.








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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
27. Seriously. He should watch these...
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

but I'm sure he knows this, he's just catapulting the propaganda.








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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
34. Most people are too smart for fall for the Berniebadwithwomen brockshit.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

But there are a few exceptions .

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. Oh Markos. Bernie is winning by large numbers with women under 45.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

The last president of the naacp is a Bernie surrogate as is activist Harry Belafonte. IF this bs were true Bernie would not be receiving these staunch supporters.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
7. You do realize that women 45 and over also vote and their votes count just as much?
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Overall, Hillary is winning the female vote.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
41. But tou are not in the majority. There are also women under 45 who support Hillary
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

they are just not in the majority

Demsrule86

(68,613 posts)
64. It does not matter
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

He has less delegates...the only way he could win is if the delegates selected him like Bush and it won't happen. Bernie looks really bad even to try it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
51. Clearly they've never really listened to Bernie or looked into him at all.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

They might have heard this if they had:







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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
52. Especially when he has fought for equality for all his whole adult life.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

I guess they didn't see these videos:







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Duval

(4,280 posts)
13. Been noticing his bias for months now.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Too bad. It really used to be one of my "sites to go to" back when the Bush thing was going on.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. FAIL. Why can't Hillary fans deal with facts? Why the constant race baiting?
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

Why do Hillary fans keep exploiting a very serious issue such as racism in an attempt to smear a good man with integrity who has fought for equality for ALL his entire adult life?

Love how you felt you had to say Markos is the founder of a liberal blog. Markos, however is NOT liberal.







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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
23. That's where politics reaches the looney zone.
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

The most liberal and progressive people want that. That dollar bill doesn't only infest your brain, it damned your soul.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. Markos the conservadem piggy is why I left kos- years ago
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

And he's shedding liberal posters like a maple tree in October.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
28. Sanders campaign was always about white
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

male privilege. They definitely want to wrest control away from PoC and women.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
29. Gee, it's not like more information has come out in the 4 months since black voters in the South
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

had their say.

If you have a problem with Hillary violating national security, it's because you're a racist!

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
43. And he wonders why his traffic has dropped off so dramatically?
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailykos.com

Basically... from the day he "called it" and started censoring users, he returned to pre-primary levels of traffic.
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
49. HE called it MArch 15.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

Looking at your chart, it went up after he called it. It dropped off in April after everybody knew Sanders was the loser.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
62. Incorrect.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

You can compare to other sites (such as DU) where traffic has remained stable or sites like drudge or tyt which have seen steady INCREASES in traffic. In short, there is more traffic is being ANTI-Clinton than following blindly into the abyss.

Further, you have to understand Alexa, which lags behind b/c it uses an average, so a drop starting in April, actually started in Mid march.. when he "called it".

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. I LOVE those! I'm going to get the director's uncut version when they come out on Blu-Ray.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

Here's the links again in case they don't work in your post:







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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
60. This part
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

“We can argue about the merits of having superdelegates, but we do have them,” said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver. “And if their role is just to rubber-stamp the pledged delegate count, then they really aren’t needed, right? So they’re supposed to exercise independent judgment about who they think can lead the party forward to victory.”


That is quite the turnaround from a few months ago, when Sanders and his surrogates were railing against the superdelegate system as an undemocratic affront to the will of the voters. And they’d be right — if, that is, those superdelegates had shown any willingness to subvert the will of the voters, something they didn’t do in 2008 when the insurgent Barack Obama won the nomination and certainly won’t do this year. The nominating process is undeniably in need of reform, but that doesn’t justify Sanders’s hypocrisy in siding with superdelegates over his newly adopted party’s voters.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
61. K&R And I'm sure that everyoe is shocked that the folks here that do nothing but shit on and minimiz
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

minority thought and opinion the most are the ones braying the loudest about this piece. Shocking.

Demsrule86

(68,613 posts)
65. Berie also said the abortion issue
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:24 PM
May 2016

was a distraction...sorry he is not for women...when have you ever heard Bernie Sanders talk about birth control, a woman's right to choose, equal pay? How many high ranking women are on his campaign? Sorry Bernie is not a good candidate for women or people of color...I see no evidence he cares about anything except banks and beating up Hillary.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
67. I'm a woman and don't feel disenfranchised.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

And that you attempt to pass off Sensible Centrist Kos as liberal is fucking hilarious.

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