E-mail flap is like Benghazi flap is like Whitewater flap is like Vince foster flap is like...

[LAS14]

I'd like to thank BeachBumBob for coming up with this pithy way to put e-mail in perspective.

[realmirage]

1. But how do those who can't beat the clintons win otherwise?

The GOP attacks on the clintons have always failed and they always will.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. ...or Watergate.

[baldguy]

9. That's what the VRWC wants you to think.

You're doing Trump & the GOP a favor by believing it.

[ljm2002]

13. Wait, whut?

Now you're promoting a conspiracy theory?

So what is it: are we allowed to suspect conspiracies, or are we not allowed to?

So confusing.

Oh wait, I get it: if the CT can be used to support Clinton, then it's okay to promote it; but if it works against her, then it's all wrong and the post should be hidden.

[baldguy]

17. Google "Arkansas Project".

[ljm2002]

21. I'm not claiming there are no conspiracies...

...just pointing out that the most vehement anti-CT posters here support Hillary Clinton, who coined the term "VRWC".

Can't have it both ways. Either we are allowed to bring this stuff up, or we are not.

[baldguy]

25. Oh, just all the CTs that benefit of Sanders are true?

Who's wanting to have it both ways here? The reason the VRWC is problematic is that it's complete bullshit, just as all the CTs created out of whole cloth by Sanders supporters.

[ljm2002]

26. I am not arguing there is no VRWC...

...I am arguing that conspiracies do indeed occur and discussion of such should not be off limits.

[baldguy]

29. So, we should treat every falsehood as if it is actually true? That way lies madness.

Which must be why these falsehoods are so popular with conservatives.

Which also means that Sanders fans are doing Trump & Co a favor by believing them.

[ljm2002]

33. Twist and Shout...

...should be the Hillary camp's theme song.

[beachbumbob]

3. Always much to do about nothing...

The right fears clintons...they know they win...and aren't afraid....they couldn't win against bill and they won't against Hillary....the problem we face is internal and it's led by sanders and his ego...

[TCJ70]

4. One of these things is not like the others...

...and involves the DoJ and FBI.

[vintx]

15. Bingo. Can't nobody here play this game?

Her supporters are so reliable at failing.

Failing to understand social media.
Failing to understand cyber security.
Failing to understand the origin and consequences of third way bullshit.
etc etc etc

[bobbobbins01]

18. They don't fail to understand.

They choose not to.

[Historic NY]

24. The FBI is looking only into the server issue and whether classified info was compromised...

so happens Bill's server was in the same place....he turned them off when there were attempts to hack and notified IT.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. Then why are 22 emails classified as top secret?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0

^snip^

22 Clinton Emails Deemed Too Classified to Be Made Public



WASHINGTON — The State Department on Friday said for the first time that “top secret” material had been sent through Hillary Clinton’s private computer server, and that it would not make public 22 of her emails because they contained highly classified information.

The department announced that 18 emails exchanged between Mrs. Clinton and President Obama would also be withheld, citing the longstanding practice of preserving presidential communications for future release. The department’s spokesman, John Kirby, said that exchanges did not involve classified information.

[LAS14]

7. They were classified AFTER the fact.

And it seems that there is much agreement that the classification storm conducted by various departments of government is prone to over classification. Other secretaries of state (sorry, can't for sure remember which ones) have called it absurd.

[DLCWIdem]

10. Perhaps you missed this last year

Last year they mentioned these 22 emails and the designation of these emails had been changed after the fact. Powell also had 2 email that were changed after the fact. He said that he saw nothing classified about the 2 emails of his. SO apparently the email came to her not marked classified, then was changed later. This was rehashed last year and is just coming around again.

[ljm2002]

14. Maybe you missed the email...

...where she instructed one of her staff to "remove the markings and send it over a non secure channel". Which would seem to show unequivocally that she was willing to break the rules regarding classified info -- info that was classified at the time, not after the fact, otherwise there would have been no markings to remove.

[apcalc]

31. Probably classified after the fact...

A very common practice.
She has said she sent no mail classified at the time she sent it.

[Peace Patriot]

6. You saying Obama appointees at State,

at the OIG and at the FBI are pulling a Ken Starr and "Benghazi" on Hillary? That's some serious denial you are suffering.

[LAS14]

8. It's the response to the report that qualifies as over reaction.

The investigation was into State Department security practices. It was NOT an investigation of Hillary Clinton.

[vintx]

19. She's now on tape bold-faced lying, repeatedly, for months.

And not just about silly made up bullshit like sniper fire.

No, this time it shows her judgment with respect to matters of foreign policy and national security.

[apcalc]

32. No she isn't lying.

And she is not under investigation

[RufusTFirefly]

11. When all else fails, there's always that old reliable:

The Fallacy of False Equivalency.

[Meteor Man]

12. Hillary is toast

Her political career is over. Wait til the Sunday Morning Bobbleheads throw their two cents in.

Hillary's poor judgment and arrogant disregard for clear cut IT protocol for handling sensitive or classified information demonstrates a level of incompetence that defies credulity.

[PufPuf23]

16. No it is not.

I had assumed that the email thing would run its course with no impact but now I am starting to wonder.

The ingredients are there for a Watergate or worse.

[reddread]

20. if you think this week was bad

wait until next weekend.

[cali]

22. Sad to see people delude themselves so utterly

[B Calm]

23. She ran her campaign being strong on National Security. This one is NOT Vince Foster, etc.

She is a deeply flawed candidate and I worry if she is the nominee we're looking at right-wing clown for President.

[BillZBubb]

27. It's easy to see why Hillary fans are Hillary fans--no facility for basic logic.

It's easy to dupe people who's logically ability is absent. A lot of people have been duped by Hillary.

[beachbumbob]

28. And yet she beat sanders...

[SharonClark]

35. You're hilarious

[BillZBubb]

36. At least I'm not Hillarious! The lack of logic in the OP is astounding.

[Zambero]

30. Rev. Wright was a "political death knell" for Obama as well

Back in '08, it was "Ditch this Obama guy quick, we should be going with Hillary instead". And four years later Romney pulled the Benghazi tragedy out of his political bag of tricks, to no avail. As in prior elections, issues that matter will decide the next election. Ultimately, TBS (Trump Bullshit Syndrome) will take its proper toll and he can revert back to the reality show and pitching steaks.

[scscholar]

34. This. Wright was pretty damn bad, but...

he overcame it.

[Zambero]

38. Yes. Overcame it. Stopped attending the services.

But the right-wing propaganda blitz continued unabated. Did I mention the Ayers thing? Yes, that broohaha as well...

[LaydeeBug]

37. and in 9 days, she will be the Democratic nominee. nt