Backing out of debates? Well, yeah.

[mac56]

History has shown that chickens should be wary of men named Sanders.

[virtualobserver]

1. that is a good joke

[appal_jack]

2. Certain women, too.

Kalifornia Fried Clinton, anyone?

She did, expressly, agree to a California debate against Sanders, back in April.

-app

[George II]

6. Funny, no one can come up with when/how she agreed.

[Armstead]

11. Hookay here ya go....

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-debates-michigan-california-218691
Clinton, Sanders agree to debates in Michigan and California
By HADAS GOLD 02/03/16 02:52 PM EST
The campaigns for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have agreed to additional debates in Michigan, California and another unspecified location.
"Yes. To the best of my knowledge we have. We didn't get all the commitments I wanted. We got California and we got Michigan, that's good," Sanders said in an interview on CNN on Wednesday, adding that Clinton did not agree to a debate in New York but they are discussing a possible debate in Pennsylvania.
A person familiar with the negotiations confirmed that an agreement had been struck on Wednesday for the additional debates. The Michigan debate, to be held in Flint (the city in the midst of a water crisis), will be take place on March 6, two days before that state's primary on March 8. No date has been set for the California debate, though the Sanders campaign has proposed May 24. Additionally, no media partners have been determined yet for any of the additional debates, the person familiar with the negotiations said.
Sanders and Clinton have been involved in a days-long back and forth over debates after MSNBC offered last week to host an unsanctioned debate ahead of the New Hampshire primary. Sanders said he would participate only if Clinton agreed to three future debates. The Clinton campaign agreed in principle, and said they'd show up in New Hampshire no matter what, leading Sanders to say on Wednesday morning he'd attend the debate that had been tentatively scheduled for Thursday of this week. The DNC, after indicating they would sanction the debate once both candidates signed on, officially sanctioned the debate only on

DNC chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz confirmed the news of the additional debates in a statement:
“I'm pleased to share exciting news on behalf of our two candidates. As with our previous debates, town halls and forums, voters will have several more opportunities to see them share their vision for how to build on 7 years of progress and keep America moving forward. Our Democratic candidates have asked the DNC to sanction and manage additional debates in our primary schedule, including one this week in New Hampshire ahead of the First in the Nation primary, in conjunction with the New Hampshire Democratic Party. Having our candidates in agreement on their desire to add debates to our sanctioned schedule, the DNC has sanctioned an MSNBC debate on February 4th at the University of New Hampshire in Durham.
“The candidates have also agreed to participate in three newly scheduled DNC sanctioned debates to be held in addition to the February 11th PBS News Hour, and March 9th Univision debates already planned. The first of these new debates is confirmed to take place in Flint, Michigan on March 6th, with the remaining two taking place in April and May with times and locations to be determined. We will continue to work closely with both campaigns as we finalize the remaining details.

[George II]

14. "the remaining two taking place in April and May with times and locations to be determined"

I don't see California anywhere in there.

[Armstead]

16. It did say April and May

Clinton has backed out of ANY debate.

I suspect if she had agreed to debate in Maine in May, Bernie would have agreed to it. She backed out of the pre-agreed schedule. You can't deny that basic fact.

[George II]

18. Perhaps the two campaigns couldn't agree on a place? "I suspect" isn't very definitive.

Did Sanders offer any alternate sites to California? No. As usual, he wanted to dictate the "rules".

[Armstead]

19. How's this for definitive?

Once again she proved that she doesn't follow through on her word.

She agreed to a debate in May. She backed out. There was no "discussion over a location." She just refused to adhere to the agreement.

Typical. That's why many of us don't believe a word that comes out of her.

[George II]

22. We could easily say, and be as correct as you, that Sanders "backed out" because he only wanted...

...to debate in California.

[Armstead]

25. I don't recall him ever saying that.

Maybe I missed something.

If you have proof that Clinton offered to debate in May, but not in California, and that Bernie refused, feel free to post it. If you do, I'll retract what I said.

[George II]

26. Bottom line is the debates are over. You can blame Clinton, I can blame Sanders. Nothing to "prove".

[Armstead]

27. Don't deflect. You were wrong and she went back on her word

You asked for proof that they ahd agreed to a debate in May. I supplied it. You are now deflecting from it.

Your "bottom line" is just an admission that Clinton can't be trusted, unless you show valid proof that she offered and Bernie refused.

I will admit I was wrong if you do that. Otherwise the plain and simple fact is that she agreed to a debate in May, and she reneged. Which adds one more straw to the "How can anyone trust her?" pile.

[Tarc]

7. The outcome of the primary is no longer in doubt, the debating season is over.

If I recall, Hillary and Obama last debated in mid-April, back in 2008.

[mac56]

9. If I recall, the 2008 California primary was in February.

[Armstead]

12. That's democracy for you

It's over when it's over. The process dopes not end when one side decides it has won.

We're not in the habit of cancelling Presidential General Elections in the last month or so, if one candidate has a strong lead.

[Tarc]

30. General elections are not decided by proportional delegate allotment, Mr. Analogy-Fail

[Armstead]

32. The primary does not end until all votes are cast at the convention

Anything is possible until that happens.

Yes I know...."Large margins," most likely scenarios......not much of a chance. .......But those are no kore "official" than if there were a seemingly insurmountable gap between a GOP presidential candidate and Dem candidate, based on polls and all other indicators.

Sanders is very unlikely to get the nomination. But he has the right to make his case until the final votes are cast, and it becomes official.

The process continues to its official end. That's the way democracies are supposed to work.

I know it's not conveeeeeenient. I have to admit as an Obama supporter in 2008, I realllly wanted Clinton to bow out sooner than she did. Just because....well, I don't like her, and didn't want to have to think about her any more. And wanted to see Obama with an unobstructed path......But that's not the way it operates. She had the right to contest as long as she wanted, as does Bernie. Abd the process should not shut down until then.

[Tarc]

34. Lot of typos there, are you feeling ok? Little agitated?

The election is over. Sanders is not going to carry the remaining states at a 68% clip, nor are the superdelegates going to jump ship for the candidate who did not win the pledged delegate count.

The sooner you move onto the acceptance stage of the Kubler-Ross model, the sooner you can get better.

[mac56]

37. When you can't argue the facts

pick out the typos.

[Tarc]

42. Some of us are able to walk and chew gum at the same time, bro

So, a little potshot plus a deflating of the #berniemath.

You'r welcome.

[Armstead]

38. I always make lots of typos....I type fast and my eyesight is not great

As to your dismissive little crap there.

Well, I can't say what I'd like to without risking a hide.

It has something to do with suggesting you go forth and attempt to procreate with yourself. .

[Tarc]

43. #realmath is not dismissive

If the Democratic Party had some winner-take-all states, or some other GOP oddities like winning all the precincts gives you bonus delegates, i.e. Missouri, perhaps this would've been a lot closer. But, we're strictly proportional. For every state Sanders didn't hit his target, it increased the target in the remaining states, til it got to the snowball-rolling-downhill effect after New York.

It's just the way the math is.

[Armstead]

44. Real math is that Hillary will have to win a significant share of the....

significant number of primary voters who chose Sanders.

Cute little digs about grief and an Annie song aren't going to help with that math.

[Tarc]

45. Most Sanders voters aren't DU'ers, nor are they Bernie or Busters

Please don't delude yourself into thinking that you BoBs need to be courted.

[Armstead]

47. Dream on....

Since you like cute songs....

[George II]

15. April 16 to be exact. And that was the first debate since February 26.

[oberliner]

3. Hilary has debated Bernie nine times

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Five of them were just one on one.

[pandr32]

4. There is no reason for the DNC to fund another debate in California

Hillary Clinton will move from presumptive nominee to nominee before votes from California are even tallied. It is prudent to save the money for the GE and not waste it on a sideshow.
Go ahead and suggest Hillary is a chicken if it makes you feel better. The truth is she is smart enough to know better.

[mac56]

5. Note that I didn't mention Hillary's name once.

Curious that you would go there.

[pandr32]

20. The whole thread assumes the same.

[George II]

24. It's in General Discussion - Primaries. That means it's about Sanders and Clinton

[barrow-wight]

29. If you're gonna do passive-aggressive,

at least do it well.

[mac56]

35. Can I shadow you for lessons?

[barrow-wight]

48. Nah.

There's really no point with the eight days we have left.

[Demsrule86]

8. That is pretty funny nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. But..but..she's "strong", "determined".."dedicated".."a fighter"..sometimes.

She also "plays by the rules"......when she wants to.

[Armstead]

21. Bingo -- if she's so rough and tough, why not give Bernie a chance for another debate?

I suspect it's because she's afraid that legitimizing him by allowing a final debate she would be weakening herself.

So her pre-agreed plan for that got ignored -- just like most promises she makes.

[geek tragedy]

13. no one wants to debate runners-up who have nothing to lose nt

[brooklynite]

17. Care to point to any sign that the average voter cares at all about this?

I DO understand however that, when you funds are drying up, free media is always nice.

[Armstead]

23. The average voter doesn't care about any of it. So what's your point?

They don't rally care about most of the process....Heck, many won't care about the General until that last week or two -- and many not even then.

So what's your point?

[brooklynite]

36. The dynamics of campaigns change...

...candidate may decide to reorient their focus, especially if they feel the voters won't care.

Sort of like agreeing to release your tax returns and then not doing it.

[Armstead]

39. Clintons have a tendency to always reorient their focus. That's their problem....

and why people don't trust them. It's both political expediency and -- more disturbingly -- on policy positions and actions in governing.

She was a big pusher of the TPP, as Sec o S for example....But then when she became a candidate and needed union and progressive support....."Well, I've changed my mind. Maybe it's not so great after all."

Which leads to the logical question....If elected, will she once again "reorient her focus" and say "Well, after all that TPP isn't really so bad. I'm all in for it" in yet another flip flop?

As for the sanders tax returns. They have released enough to show their net worth and income. I actually agree that for appearances sake they should have released others, but those are not likely to show a lot of change....There's no comparison between issues of Big Politics and Big Government and the minuate of the boring finances of the sanders family.

[brooklynite]

40. I guess that's a question for the Democratic voters to decide...

[Armstead]

41. Old Democrats, new Democrats and independents who may lean Democratic

UInbcluding the 40-45 percent of primary voters who have chosen sanders....That's a whole lot of a bigger bag to fill than just Democratic Clinton loyalists.

Maybe she'll pull it off and get into the WH... But there's also the matter of governing after that.

[barrow-wight]

28. They might as well debate Colonel Sanders.

Either would have about as much relevance to the election at this point.

[msongs]

31. bernie sanders says Im an Independent. Yet there he is running as a pseudo-democrat nt

[anotherproletariat]

33. Because he's done so well in previous debates? Yeah, that's it. nt

[jwirr]

46. LOL