You have to win, in order to be the nominee of the Democratic Party

[Peacetrain]

you have to win.. its that simple.. if a candidate does not win..they will never be the nominee.. and this is winding down.. The process is almost done.. wishful thinking does not make it any different..beating the keys on your keyboard till your fingers bleed.. trying to scream at that person who is on the opposite side of you will not change the outcome.. that decision has been and will be made at the primary's and caucuses..

The best candidate is no longer running.. he did not make it out of Iowa.. I believe that is my heart.. but REALITY is a different thing.. my wishing it was different just does not make it so.



Good Night DU warriors.. 8 days till California.

[elleng]

1. Right, but it is not 'wishful thinking,'

Peacetrain, to inform the voting populace of the faults of the 'designated one.' For example: Hillary Clinton broke the rules: Our view. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512090029

Important states remain in the primary process.

You know my thinking about the best candidate. My thinking of the 'designated one' is she's a highly flawed candidate, and is hence more likely to fall to tramp than is Senator Sanders. We can't afford it, and I do what I can to inform as many as I can of that fact.



and: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512091478

[upaloopa]

3. Well your days are numbered here. Go inform some other site. Free Republic maybe?

[JonLeibowitz]

6. elleng is a longtime progressive, and your post is insulting and rude.

Sanders wasn't even her first choice, FFS.

[elleng]

7. Thanks, Jon.

I appreciate your kindness (and notice.)

[larkrake]

30. she is always rude, one of the rabid hillbots

[Agschmid]

42. Yup.

[geek tragedy]

4. 14 more days nt

[slipslidingaway]

9. Clinton will not have the delegates needed in 14 days, super delegates vote at the end ...

of July and there are still approximately 150 super delegates that are not committed.

As Sanders said about the damn emails, let the process play out, investigations are still ongoing.

[SFnomad]

12. You're right, she's going to have them in 7 days.

You can't use Superdelegates to compute the number of delegates needed to clinch and then ignore those same SDs when counting how many delegates they have. You can't have it both ways. You need to either use them in both number ... or not use them at all.

Either of those ways, Secretary Clinton will clinch on June 7th.

[slipslidingaway]

16. Clinton would need almost 79% of the remaining pledged delegates, are you stating she ...

will have 79% of the delegates by 6/7?

She needs 613 of 781 in the remaining primaries!

[SFnomad]

19. You have reading comprehension problems don't you? Saying Secretary Clinton needs 613

pledged delegates to clinch is #BernieMath ... which has no relationship with reality.

[slipslidingaway]

21. Not going round and round with you, she is 613 delegates short to clinch the nomination. nt

[SFnomad]

23. Ignoring reality doesn't make it so ... Secretary Clinton needs fewer than 100 to clinch the

nomination and about 250 to get the majority of pledged delegates. When Secretary Clinton has the majority of pledged delegates ... it's over. And your temper tantrums and reliance on #BernieMath are not going to change that.

[slipslidingaway]

24. Clinton has 1770 pledged delegates, to achieve the 2383 number before the convention she needs 78.5%

of the remaining 781 pledged delegates.

She cannot win the nomination before the convention unless you think she will win almost 79% of the remaining pledged delegates before 6/14.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

[SFnomad]

26. Your link says it right on the bottom of the page, Secretary Clinton has 2290 delegates

and only needs 93 more to clinch the nomination ... she will accomplish that on June 7th.

[anotherproletariat]

29. Obama clinched the nomination with superdelegates after CA in 2008. That is kind of how it is done.

[ucrdem]

33. It's an article of #BernieMath that it's not over until she gets 2,383 elected delegates

which is ridiculous of course but that's what they firmly believe.

[Mr Maru]

56. They have 7 days left on "alternate reality island" before it sinks

Oh the wailing and thrashing we could see. If GDP is still here. I'm thinking it'll go bye-bye the night of June 7.

[auntpurl]

45. That is not true.

You either count superdelegates in the total or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

if you count superdelegates in the "magic number" of delegates a candidate has to reach before they clinch, then you have to count the ones that have declared for that candidate in their total.

OR

You can choose to count pledged delegates only and remove the superdelegates entirely. Which makes the "magic number" lower.

Either way you choose to do your count, Hillary (barring disaster) will clinch on June 7.

[Cali_Democrat]

65. Exactly

#BernieMath makes my head spin.

[Peacetrain]

57. ellen.. we fought the good fight for the Gov.O'Malley

I will never forget that.. you are special to me, because we shared that vision that he could really move us to a different place..

[upaloopa]

2. Why are the die hards still posting anti Hillary lies? Do they work for Trump?

Are there still those who think Bernie can win the nomination? Are they so full of sour grapes they are compelled to lash out because they lost to Hillary?

What other motives are there?

In two weeks they will be gone if not sooner.

We can then get on with winning the White House in November.

[elleng]

5. Hillary Clinton broke the rules: Our view

As secretary of State, she ignored repeated warnings about email security.

'Everyone, including Hillary Clinton, now agrees that the newly confirmed secretary of State made a mistake in 2009 when she decided, for the sake of “convenience,” to run her own email system out of her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., rather than use an official State Department email account.

But a new report by State's inspector general makes clear that within two years, Clinton's bad decision had turned into something far worse: a threat to national security, one that she repeatedly ignored despite multiple warnings.

Warning No. 1: The report, released last week, reveals that in January 2011, hackers were attacking her private server. Twice, the Hillary and Bill Clinton staffer responsible for maintaining the server had to shut it off to protect data held by America's top diplomat and the former president. The staffer notified State Department officials of the attempted hack, and Clinton’s top aides there emailed each other to say that “sensitive” matters should not be discussed with Clinton over email.

Warning No. 2: Two months later, the assistant secretary for diplomatic security sent a memorandum on cybersecurity threats directly to Clinton, warning of a dramatic increase in efforts "to compromise the private home email accounts of senior department officials" in a likely attempt to "gain access to policy documents and personal information that could enable technical surveillance and possible blackmail.” The memo to Clinton warned her that some personal email accounts had already been compromised and had “been reconfigured … to automatically forward copies of all composed emails” to the hackers.

Warning No. 3: That May, Clinton herself suspected that there might have been another hacking incident when she "received an email with a suspicious link." Hours after her aides discussed the issue over email, Clinton received another email with a suspect link, this time from the personal account of the "under secretary of State for political affairs."

Warning No. 4: A month later, the State Department sent a cable to “all diplomatic and consular posts” about the dangers of unsecured personal email accounts. Staffers were ordered to “avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail accounts.” Who signed that cable? Hillary Clinton.

Those warnings, coming in a span of six months, should have made any responsible public official, even one without Clinton’s access to classified information on cyber threats from the vast U.S. intelligence network, aware of the national security dangers of failing to secure the secretary of State’s email communications.

Instead, Clinton and several of her top aides continued to use personal email for sensitive State Department business thousands of times.

If Clinton wants to become the president of the United States, she needs to explain how she could make such a reckless decision. She had a chance to answer questions when the Obama administration-appointed inspector general contacted her about the investigation that was released last week. Among five recent secretaries of State, only Clinton refused.

While Clinton is under potential criminal investigation by the FBI for the mishandling of classified material sent through her email, remaining silent might be in her best interests and it is certainly her right. But to be president, she is going to have to convince voters that she can put the national security of the United States above her own short-term self-interest.

It's already clear that, in using the private email server, Clinton broke the rules. Now it remains to be seen whether she also broke the law.'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/30/hillary-clinton-email-server-inspector-general-editorials-debates/85159948/

[CorkySt.Clair]

14. Cool story

You'll be free to express that somewhere else in a couple weeks.

[elleng]

15. and you'll be free to go back to wherever you were before December 2015.

[CorkySt.Clair]

17. That'll be as its always been.

SUPPORTING DEMOCRATS.

You should give it a whirl when the little Bernie thing winds down.

[elleng]

18. Haven't spent much time around here, eh?

Not familiar with http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281 , I guess.

[slipslidingaway]

8. Clinton will not have the number of delegates needed in two weeks! This will go to the

convention when the super delegates vote at the end of July.

[SFnomad]

13. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it's not true.

Secretary Clinton WILL clinch the nomination on Jun 7th.

[slipslidingaway]

20. Demonstrate how Clinton will get 78% in the remaining primaries? nt

[SFnomad]

22. It requires #BernieMath to require that ... I deal with reality, Secretary Clinton does NOT need

that many pledged delegates to clinch ... no matter how many times you repeat the #BernieMath

[slipslidingaway]

25. Deal with it, Clinton will not have the number needed before the convention ...

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

[SFnomad]

27. Your link says it right on the bottom of the page, Secretary Clinton has 2290 delegates

and only needs 93 more to clinch the nomination ... she will accomplish that on June 7th.

Deal with that.

[ucrdem]

32. 72 and counting down

2,382 to win, and she has 2310

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

[bvf]

43. Nope. Read.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. La, la, la will not stop the reporting of this scandal

yes it is one, outside of DU. You might want to be in a safe space under your blankie, would you prefer a chocolate chip or just a sugar giuten free cookie with your LACTAID, but the scandal is a real scandal,



This is what you are doing.

Enjoy... it is not going away. And if you want to call actual long time progressive liberal posters freepers, you are the ones acting like freepers.

Don't worry, you will be treated by me wth the same contempt, and when your flawed wounded candidate, loses in November to Trump, it will be your party that chose to facilitate that, and it will be on you... not the people who tried to warn you.

[pablo_marmol]

11. Hey......a nice tall glass of Lactaid sounds like a great idea about now!

[Bad Dog]

28. When the French had the unpleasant chice of Le Penn or Chirac,

they held their noses and voted for the corrupt politician instead of the fascist. I don't think Americans can be relied on to make the same choice. I think a lot of them relish the idea, so they can smugly say 'I told you so,' while the World goes to shit.

[ucrdem]

31. Or, maybe this email thing is really not important at all

and would never have come to national attention were it not for the diligence of Darrel Issa and the rest of the haters. John Kerry incidentally had nothing to do with ginning this asinine thing up and that itself is a hateful lie, at least IMHO.

[Bad Dog]

34. It doesn't seem that big a deal

compared to what Dubya and Trump have got up to. Then again what do I know? I'm not an American.

[ucrdem]

35. Okay make that international attention.

Holy cow this is in the British news too? Anyway as someone who lived through the last Clinton administration I can affirm that the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" as Hillary once called it never misses a trick and goes to ridiculous lengths to keep the Clintons under permanent investigation. There was a Christmas card scandal (stamps), there was a Socks the family cat investigation (who answers Socks' fan mail, and who pays them?), etc, plus the famous bimbo eruptions. So Hillary and Bill are used to it, we're used to it, and if we've learned anything it's that no actual truth will ever emerge from these things which with Hillary in the spotlight can rightly be called witch-hunts.

Cheers!

[Bad Dog]

36. America is still the most powerful nation on Earth.

Nobody really gives a monkeys if the Philippines elects a fascist president. The office of president of the US impacts on all of us, so yes, it's news.

[ucrdem]

37. Yes there's that.

Well keep in mind that the party that wants to hoist the fascist also runs the witch-hunts.

p.s. and now I see your original point which I missed before. But I don't think you have to worry. Hill and Bill are probably the most experienced pols on the planet at this point and they'll do what they need to do.

[Bad Dog]

39. Even UKIP leader Nigel Farage

has said he thinks Trump is a bit too extreme. And he's as right wing as you can get before officially becoming a fascist.

[ucrdem]

40. It's a scary thought alright.

From here he mostly looks like a clown but it's sobering to consider how the world sees him. And while it might be discouraging to see how long it's taking Hillary to dispatch her last rival, she's basically already won it, and this is the tricky part where she has to be careful not to alienate any part of her electorate as she'll need every vote in November. And while Bernie seems to have blown a gasket and won't be much use in the fall, once she's the official candidate the rest of the party can pitch in and carry her over the finish line. I don't see much hope for Trump even if Bernie makes a 3rd party run which he probably won't but might.

Incidentally one advantage to letting Bernie keep running is that it makes the 3rd party option harder as state filing deadlines are coming thick and fast and require a lot of legwork including thousands of signatures in each state.

[Bad Dog]

41. Everyone thought Hitler was a clown too.

Nobody took him seriously until it was too late.

[ucrdem]

44. Yep that's the danger with Trump.

First there's his own bizarre agenda whatever it is today and secondly that a fool is easily manipulated into profitable quagmires.

[Bad Dog]

50. I think he believes his own hype.

He's extremely dangerous.

[B Calm]

38. To me, Bernie is the winner. He's been doing exactly what he said he was going to do.

The Democratic party cannot continue to ignore us.

[baldguy]

46. Do you know how you get ignored? By not supporting the Democratic nominee.

When Sanders loses, if you & your cadre say "fuck it!" and refuse to accept the outcome of the primary elections, and refuse to support & vote for Clinton & the Democrats, you voluntarily remove yourself from the Democratic coalition. And if you position yourself to be outside the tent pissing in, then you're easy to ignore as just another special interest group that doesn't share the values of the Democratic Party.

Repeat that: It would not something WE ARE DOING TO YOU, it would be something YOU ARE DOING TO YOURSELF!

[B Calm]

47. Do you know how Hillary will be ignored? By pretending we don't matter!

Repeat that: we don't matter!

[baldguy]

48. There, there now. I'm sure you matter to someone!

Right now you matter more to Trump and his fascist thugs, when you insist on believing RW lies, and openly refuse to support the nominee of the Democratic Party. I'm sure they'll welcome you into their warm embrace after your childish tantrum removes you from the Democratic Party.

[B Calm]

49. Spoken like a right-wing authoritarian.

[baldguy]

52. You want to impose a candidate on the party as a nominee, who lost the primaries.

Lost in spite of the fact that the DNC bent over backwards to accommodate him even though he's never been a Democrat, rigged the process in his favor, and unprecedentedly gave him a third of the seats on the Party Platform Committee.

Who's the RW authoritarian here?

Your candidate lost & you cling to RW myths about Democrats and the Democratic Party, yet you want to ignore the will of the people, and want the party to still hand the nomination to your candidate.

[B Calm]

53. Who's the RW authoritarian here? You, by pretending Bernie's platform was totally rejected.

Hillary is by all means squeaking out a small majority of dems over Bernie. Ignore us and face the consequences, adopt some of Bernie's economic populism and we'll win the GE. Totally up to her.

[baldguy]

58. Displayed here, for all to see, is the twisted logic of a mind poisoned by RW fascist propaganda.

White is black, up is down, freedom is slavery, liberal Democrats are authoritarians, ignorance is strength, and a candidate with the majority of actual votes cast for her and who has a massive lead in the delegate count deserves to lose for supposedly being less popular.

And, a group that has never had an influence in presidential politics before - independent liberals - are now a force to be reckoned with - by sitting out or voting third party.



Of course, that group did have an effect once - and they gave us a terrorist attack, two unending wars, and a devastating economic collapse that the world is still recovering from.

[B Calm]

60. Displayed here, for all to see, is a Hillary supporter not looking for ways to unite the party.

How sad.

[baldguy]

62. It's not my job to unite the party.

The DNC has bent over backwards to accommodate & welcome Sanders and his supporters. In return they've been verbally abused, threatened with physical violence, sued & threatened with lawsuits, had their data systems hacked & data stolen, and - as you yourself have done in this very thread - repeatedly slandered.

So, enough is enough. Your poor judgment is not my responsibility, just as getting the BoBs in line is not Clinton's responsibility either, no matter what flatulent nonsense St. Bernard emits from his pie-hole. THEY ARE TRUMPISTS ANYWAY & WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER VOTING FOR A REAL DEMOCRAT!

So, you can support the liberal/progressive/Democratic Party cause and vote for Clinton in November, or you can continue to exercise your excessively demonstrated poor judgment & not vote for Clinton, allowing Trump to win & setting the world on the path to destruction. You have 14 days left on DU to grow up.

[B Calm]

63. 14 days and no more Bernie bashing too.

[baldguy]

67. Once he provides his long-overdue concession, there'll be no need.

He'll fade back into his well-deserved obscurity.

OTOH, if he goes full Nader - which too many BoBs are desperately wishing & dreaming for - all bets are off.

[beachbum bob]

51. win is a win....

if a basketball team scores 50 points in the final quarter...and still loses....the game is still a lost.....and their fans can't say HEY WE WON BECAUSE we scored the most points in the last quarter....unfortunately we hear the latter here everyday....really quite embarrassing

[Bluenorthwest]

54. In order to win anything that matters you have to be nominee then win in November, winning

the nomination is of no actual value, history barely remembers those who gain the nomination but lose the WH.
The fact that Hillary's folks seem only to care about defeating Bernie, not about November or how to bring Bernie supporters with them in November is not comforting to me at all.

You all seem to be focused on that which is just a way station, the objective is in November. I don't see the eyes on the prize at all.

[B Calm]

55. Bingo!

[NCTraveler]

59. M'OM!!! Nt

[brooklynite]

61. There isn't a participation trophy?

[GoldenThunder]

66. History will blame Hillary for Trump's presidency....

...not Bernie.

If she can't defeat that marmalade buffoon in November, she'll be defined forever as "The Worst Presidential Candidate in American History".

Beating Trump is easier than punching out of a wet paper bag.

Any Democrat worth their salt should win half of all CONSERVATIVE voters against Trump in the GE.

It's on her if she loses. Not us.

[barrow-wight]

64. I just hope Bernie has the strength to face facts.