Sanders: I'm Heading to the Convention Even If Clinton Sweeps CA, NJ Primaries

[workinclasszero]

Sanders: I'm Heading to the Convention Even If Clinton Sweeps CA, NJ Primaries
MARYALICE PARKS May 30, 2016, 10:32 PM ET

Bernie Sanders reaffirmed Sunday that he is not planning to accept defeat in the primary race until the Democratic Party’s convention in July, regardless of the outcome of the June 7 primaries, which include delegate-rich California and New Jersey.

Talking to reporters before an event in East Oakland, California, Sanders preemptively rejected any declarations about Hillary Clinton as the presumptive nominee until superdelegates vote in Philadelphia at the party's convention later this summer, even if she passes the threshold for delegates needed, as she likely will, next week.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-heading-convention-clinton-snags-delegates-ca-nj/story?id=39491735

[chwaliszewski]

1. And?

[CountAllVotes]

2. Bernie Sanders is going nowhere

Except to the White House in January 2017!

[SFnomad]

4. The only way BS is going to the White House is as an invited guest ...

and he's quickly wearing out his welcome.

[CountAllVotes]

6. The pen is mightier than the sword

How soon some forget.

There are those write-in a name words for example.

And many more than you'd ever suspect will do just that! Yes They Will!

[Jitter65]

12. So, he lied again. He will not be doing everything possible to keep Trump from winning?

He will be doing everything possible to keep Hillary from winning. Hoping that true Democrats will not allow this to happen. It's enough having the Libertarian party to deal with.

[brush]

59. He'll still be campaigning on Inauguration day.

[merrily]

85. Check your state's laws about write ins. I've been told that some states

will invalidate your entire ballot if you write in. So, all your down ticket votes will count for nothing.

[CountAllVotes]

88. I've done write-ins many many times

No problem in these parts!

[merrily]

89. For President? Are you sure your ballot got counted?

[CountAllVotes]

98. Yes I am sure

I am a permanent absentee voter and I checked with the county registrar. I wrote in Jesse Jackson rather than vote for a Bush the last time I did it and there is a space on the ballot to write-in as well.

[merrily]

99. Okay. I did a thread a JPR soon after it opened to all posters (as opposed to beta testers) and

it varies widely from one state to another.

[Demsrule86]

52. I doubt he will be invited

The Clintons probably dislike him now as does anyone concerned with the general.

[larkrake]

3. Given the fragile state of Clinton and the closeness of Bernie, he should do that

If he drops out. all interest in the election would end. Hill just doesnt inspire the masses, he keeps hope alive and he has several dems he is supporting downticket

[SFnomad]

5. Secretary Clinton doesn't "inspire the masses"? ... her 3+ million vote lead says otherwise n/t

[Logical]

15. Name only! Nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. 3+ million votes is "the masses"? Peruse the results of Presidential Elections in this century...

3+ million is hardly "the masses".

2000 - 101 million +
2004 - 121 million +
2008 - 129 million +
2012 - 126 million +

[SFnomad]

35. That 3+ million is her LEAD over BS ... she has received 13+ million votes in the primary

By the end of the primaries, she should be close to what she received in 2008, which was the largest number of primary votes any candidate has ever received.

[merrily]

86. Again, it's a 3-million vote lead only if all caucus states combined are counted as zero votes.

[SFnomad]

93. Even giving the caucus states the most liberal possible outcome for BS, we're still talking about

Secretary Clinton being ahead by at least 2.5+ million voters.

[merrily]

94. That claim is ridiculous. If four hundred people show up to caucus, no one can

say how many votes they represent, other than by conjuring a number.

Why can't you simply say the truth, that she is ahead in pledged delegates?

[SFnomad]

100. If 400 people show up to caucus, they represent 400 votes ...

trying to claim anything else is ridiculous.

I used the generally accepted numbers because the post I was replying to was talking about how Secretary Clinton isn't "inspiring the masses" ... replying with how many pledged delegates she is ahead would be comparing apples to oranges. Sure, I could say "more", but that isn't quantifiable.

Secretary Clinton has inspired millions more people to vote than BS has ... it couldn't be much clearer.

[mythology]

13. But Sanders isn't close

Clinton's lead is far larger than Obama's lead was in 2008, but nobody doubted Obama's win. Sanders has no viable path to the nomination. He's just posturing, much as Clinton did in 2008.

Even if he takes it to the convention, he will lose on the first ballot.

[Demsrule86]

56. He is not close at all

We have proportional voting and he can't catch up...after Tuesday of next week...he will be down by even more.

[Thinkingabout]

7. Reject the will of the people, what happened to We the People? The primaries will

Be over and the results will show Hillary has won. Whatever, the results will not change except for all of the super delegates endorsing Hillary, the choice of the people.

[B Calm]

8. Keeping hope alive, a true inspiration!

[Bonobo]

9. It's rather ironic that Hillary's prognostication about "what if...assassination"" has come back in

this mutated form to haunt her.

IOW, her "what if assassination" has become the very real possibility of "what if indicted".

[CountAllVotes]

10. "what if indicted"

Answer: Drop out (hopefully) and hide or --
better yet:

[Demsrule86]

17. June 7th she is the nominee

And somewhere between June 7th and the 14 th (DC) skinner calls it here.

[morningfog]

42. Presumptive only and I predict that Skinner won't "call it" as long as Bernie stays in the race.

[Demsrule86]

58. Not true

Skinner has said he/she will call it when the voting is over...we just don't know if that includes DC or after Tuesday.


Skinner (61,708 posts)
"1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent."

[morningfog]

67. Yes, I've seen that.

We'll see, but primary discussions will continue until Bernie drops our of the floor vote is held.

[Demsrule86]

77. He will be ignored

He is not relevant...and probably people will feel sorry for him...hard not to. He must be in great pain to abandon princips he held for a lifetime...by helping Trump.

[morningfog]

81. You lose any credibility by claiming he is helping trump. That's just stupid.

[Jackilope]

92. Yeah, 20,000 + in California is a pity party?

In red Ol' South Dakota Bernie got a 4000 + crowd. Bill Clinton got 300 people, before his private fund raising with elites.

Dream on. People are tired of politics as usual. We fight on and have his back. It is pretty transparent what DNC is like and the voting antics in AZ, NY, Mass.

The pity party is actually thst HRC can only grab votes using fear ... because tRump.....

[merrily]

95. LOL!

[k8conant]

82. There is voting at the convention and that's what matters.

I'll find out on June 11 if I'll go to the convention as a WV Bernie delegate.

[Mike__M]

97. Good luck to you! (n/t)

[asuhornets]

21. Sanders time has passed. eom

[Demsrule86]

14. Bernie is full of crap

He will go to the convention on the platform committee...or he will go in escorted by security and escorted out after the one vote is taken and Hillary wins-his choice...while he sobs no doubt. By then he will be so pathetic in the eyes of voters...no one will care.

[Demsrule86]

19. He is risking the general

This could lead to President Trump...which would destroy all progressive progress for a generation and destroy what we have attained since Roosevelt. July is way to close to November for Bernie to still be hanging around making trouble...he either gets out or is kicked out...his choice. I would rather he conceded and endorsed...built his movement up to something meaningful...and not just an election stunt. I think he could do this...but not if he screws American voters by inflicting Trump upon an undeserving country. People literally will die as a result. And nothing you can say would make me believe Bernie gives a damn about this country, the American people or even his supporters...if he continues to risk the general for what are increasingly self-centered reasons with a strong dose of spite and anger tossed in for berniefun.

[Demsrule86]

47. Why would I support someone

who I believe would lose the general? The swiftboating of Sanders by Republicans would be huuuuuuuuuge and destroy any chance he had...we would have a loss comparable to McGovern's loss. The tax thing alone would hurt him badly...he wants to raise payroll taxes...who does that affect? The middle class is the answer...also Bernie is weak on issues that matter to me as a woman and I have three daughters...one of whom is Gay. I have no doubt should the GOP get five court picks with President Trump...homosexuality would be outlawed as well as gay marriage...Sanders is not worth the risk.

[leftynyc]

34. Neither did then Senator Obama

I sure don't remember so many newbies pointing out how incredibly close their pledged delegate totals were as compared to the LANDSLIDE lead that SOS Clinton now has. I wonder why so many of you assume the rest of us have the memory of gnats.

[Demsrule86]

49. She has closed the deal

I would remind you that Obama lost nine of the last primaries...including California, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. And she was must close to Obama in terms of delegates than Bernie is to her. She also won the popular vote. Sore Loser Bernie Sander...refuses to acknowledge he has lost...keeps coming up with nuttier and nuttier schemes and math. The supers who he has spent an entire year persecuting, some of whom are elected and don't appreciate him funding primary opponents for sitting Dems are not going to go for the loser of the primary by every means for a couple of useless polls...Bernie needs to get off our lawn. And for the last time...a simple majority is all she needs of delegates...which she will have after Jersey even before California ...same as Obama. Then the supers commit and Bernie is toast...she is the nominee. She needs the number you guys are always quoting in terms of pledged and supers...so no she will win and Bernie will go home one way or the other...as a disgraced sore loser or as a person who bowed out gracefully and still has a career and possibly a movement.

[brush]

64. Better catch up. After the 14th she'll have way more delegates than Sanders . . .

which means she's the nominee when the super delegates kick in for her.

It's over.

[Demsrule86]

80. There is no magic number

We are not Republicans. On June 7th after Jersey...she will be the presumptive nominee and the delegates will commit to her as the person with a majority of pledged votes. The convention is about celebrating and taking that one vote ...where Hillary Clinton officially becomes the nominee...and if Bernie has a brain...he will do it by acclamation and concede and endorse somewhere between the 7th and the 14th of June.

[aikoaiko]

37. WTF is wrong with you.

40-45% of Democratic primary voters care a whole fucking lot about Bernie and even though HRC will be the nominee you cannot ignore that.

[Demsrule86]

51. and what should we do?

I can think of nothing that would make you happy short of giving Sanders the nomination, and Democrats are unwilling to do that.

[aikoaiko]

65. Nevermind, I answered my question about wtf is wrong with you.

Only a few more days until primary voting ends, but election is November 8th.

[Demsrule86]

70. I have no idea what you are talking about

But have a nice day.

[aikoaiko]

79. I know you don't.

[MariaThinks]

101. WTF is wrong with you. bernie has lost, what is he hoping to accomplish beside being a thorn in the

side of democracy.

don't bother answering.

[aikoaiko]

102. He is campaigning for every vote and delegate possible. Its really that simple.

Bernie is only a thorn in the side of HRC's supporters. Democracy is holding up just fine.

[merrily]

90. An anonymous DUer with an unusual profile thinks Bernie is full of crap. Well, that settles it, then

[geek tragedy]

32. 14 more days nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. If Trump is elected and vigilantes harass and physically harm Hispanics and Muslims...

If Trump is elected and vigilantes harass and physically harm Hispanics and Muslims I know where I will look for responsibility.

[aikoaiko]

38. I see your confidence in the HRC machine is wavering. What's up with that?

[morningfog]

44. You aren't being honest with yourself or us. That is a silly assertion.

[asuhornets]

20. I wonder-- What does he want? nt

[Trenzalore]

43. Some men just want to watch the world bern nt.

[firebrand80]

50. +1 nt

[workinclasszero]

71. Some people think the world must bern

to bring "the revolution".

If its you and your family berning, too bad, so sad.

They could care less.

[morningfog]

25. Good!

[Renew Deal]

26. We'll see how long he lasts when Obama gets involved.

There will be a super delegate shift to Hillary including everyone waiting to see who wins the PD's.

[brooklynite]

27. Amazing! So am I!

I'm sure we'll both have good seats.

[msanthrope]

45. Let's hope someone gives Dr. West good seats this time.....nt

[brooklynite]

46. Doesn't he want party invites?

[bigwillq]

28. Good.

The nominee isn't officially confirmed until the convention.

[seabeyond]

29. Yes, to be disruptive, we get it.

[B Calm]

30. Hillary is squeaking out a small majority. Inspiring Bernie Sanders is representing the millions

of us who have voted for him. Deal with it!

[seabeyond]

40. Ahead from the start thru the finish, without displacement. A strong win.

Here is the thing, if ANY other politician had and is doing as well as Clinton, they would be getting credit. Clinton? On the verge of losing or flat out losing, .... or as you say, squeaking.

It is bullshit.

[Demsrule86]

73. Apparently not

Or he would have won the primary...he got fewer votes...so how is he inspiring all these folks? where are the votes? I have always thought that some of Bernies numbers include Republicans who would never vote for him in the primary...WVA for sure.

[geek tragedy]

31. primary losers get to attend the convention, this is true.

But the campaign and race will be over weeks before the convention

[Jester Messiah]

36. What of it? n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. good. n/t

[Trenzalore]

41. I hope Chuck Schumer reassigns his committee assignments nt.

[kstewart33]

48. Bernie.

Campaign your heart out until June 7. See what happens. But if Clinton wins the majority of pledged delegates and popular vote, it is over.

Since supers were established, they have ALWAYS voted for the candidate with the most of both.

If you keep fighting, you will be damaging your most important achievement - the movement. Building it into a force that actually gets results - election victories - should be your focus and passion from June 8 onward.

[anotherproletariat]

53. I kind of hope he does stay in after Hillary clinches...it will be great to see all the endorsements

of Hillary by every major Democrat, as Sanders sinks into oblivion. If he continues to denigrate the DNC and other Democrats, they will not give him any power at all during the convention, and likely will do all in their power to ruin his reputation and legacy. That could be fun to watch.

[Nye Bevan]

54. Bucket list. Why not? (nt)

[still_one]

55. From me, nothing wrong with that

[LizetteWest]

57. Virtually impossible for Clinton to clinch since super delegates cannot vote till the convention.

[DesertRat]

68. No it isn't

We’ve known for some time that Hillary Clinton will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee. But when will she clinch the nomination? If you look at the few remaining contests on the Democratic primary calendar, the major news outlets — barring something devastating happening to the Clinton campaign in the next few weeks — are likely to declare Clinton the nominee on June 7. More specifically, New Jersey will likely push Clinton across the finish line, and she may clinch the nomination even before the polls close in California.
If major news outlets declare Clinton the nominee on June 7, they will be counting superdelegates, as they did in 2008 when they declared Barack Obama the presumptive Democratic nominee on June 3.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-will-likely-clinch-the-democratic-nomination-in-new-jersey/

[Trust Buster]

60. Sanders is all about Sanders. He is not a Democrat. He's our Ted Cruz.

[workinclasszero]

72. Bingo

[MoonRiver]

61. He just can't let it go.

What a pathetic little old man.

[The_Casual_Observer]

62. Sounds like he intends to incite a riot at the convention.

What does he have to lose?

[workinclasszero]

74. One last hurrah for the Fail Revolution

[k8conant]

83. or the Summer Devolution...

[highprincipleswork]

66. Go Bernie go. I support you all the way.

[Demsrule86]

75. Let America be America

Only it never existed ...not your vision...FDR's time was a time of inequality for many.

[highprincipleswork]

87. I trust you've read the poem.

It never says America was every perfect. But it does lay out a vision for it achieving what it, at heart, stands for.

Same with Bernie. He is not "promising" the things he talks about. He talks about what should be. And, as he says, if we simply stand together there is nothing we cannot achieve.

Then there's the "safe" Hillary and Establishment choice. An establishment that has forgotten the principles established by FDR and carried on with afterwards. That believes apparently in the totally mistaken Chicago School of Economics (unless of course your a richie). They believe in triangulation and accommodation to Republican virtues on a whole lot of issues. You could say that they are in fact the new Republican Party, whereas Donald Trump is something different altogether. And the "safe" choice is under investigation by the FBI, one that looks more serious all the time, and feels serious, at least to an oldtime Liberal like me.

I'll leave you with this, a chart of representation in Congress for the last 100 plus years. Do you notice the Democratic majorities during FDR and for decades afterwards, with very little deviation.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

When did we lose and continue to lose such majorities. The second term of Bill Clinton, when he was drifting rightwards and screwing with the Democratic brand. Same with Barack Obama's second term.

When people want, and can be proven by polls, Progressivism and Populism, in general, and then you give them establishment politics, with favors tot he 1% and collusion and so forth you have extinguished the Democratic brand. It's a recipe for disaster, particularly in this election year.

[bobthedrummer]

69. George Stephanopoulos and Mary Alice Parks are typical of MSM and ABC "journalists" to many of US.

The Fourth Estate has become information operations and perception management for the most part.

George Stephanopoulos discloses $75,000 contribution to Clinton Foundation (Dylan Byers May 14, 2015 Politico)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/george-stephanopoulos-discloses-75-000-contribution-to-clinton-foundation-207120

[vintx]

78. Shocked! I am shocked!

[vintx]

76. Good!

[pandr32]

84. So I guess he won't be congratulating her politely

...when she clinches the nomination on June 7th.
Everything else is just posturing.

[ucrdem]

91. Well he's a superdelegate, so he gets a swag bag.

Hope they get his T-shirt size right. . .

[asuhornets]

96. He's just talking.. He loses CA AND NJ...it's over..the networks are going to call it..n/t