Do you think Bernie smears Clinton when he includes her as part of the Establishment?

[Skwmom]

The Clintons are the establishment. But today the corporate media (I think is was MSNBC) scrolled that Bernie smeared Clinton as Establishment.

[riversedge]

1. Yes, Hillary is talking unification and Bernie is still being divisive on the trail.

[B Calm]

20. If Hillary was interested in uniting, she would be adopting some of Bernie's economic populism.

If she did that we'll win the GE. Totally up to her.

[SFnomad]

57. Secretary Clinton won because she ran on her platform, not BS's. Why should she adopt the second

place finishers platform?

[B Calm]

74. Uh maybe because she'd like to see the party unite and it would be a clear vision on

the victory in November, totally up to her.

[AntiBank]

76. Her platform is not why she won.

[barrow-wight]

2. Bernie smears Clinton just by opening his mouth.

[kayakjohnny]

4. Clinton smears herself just by opening her mouth.

See how that game is played?

[Ned_Devine]

28. That's a fun game!

[kayakjohnny]

33. !

[840high]

44. For past 20+ years.

[One Black Sheep]

3. lol. Believe it or not, a poster once said to me that Hillary is the "change" candidate

in this election, and Bernie wasn't...I shit you not. I have not forgotten that doozy. Bizarro world!

[glowing]

6. Only because she changes position depending on the crowd in front of her.

[One Black Sheep]

8. lol, true, true

[senz]

19. lol, this is true.

[Trust Buster]

5. I think a guy who has earned his living for decades as a part of the Establishment sounds silly

pointing his finger at everyone else. Very Cruz-like.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. .....Like Hilly and her hubby didn't........

Bwahahahahaha. Good one.

[Trust Buster]

15. They're not the one's calling people Establishment take a nap.

[TheCowsCameHome]

39. That would really be pot-to-kettle. lol.

[jack_krass]

65. He drew a simple salary, where Bill and Hill used their connections to make 100s of millions

[Trust Buster]

80. Yes, his wife Jane's success had nothing to do with the fact that Sanders is a Senator.

[madamesilverspurs]

9. He apparently thinks so.

[hollysmom]

14. are you only voting for her because of her gender because I am sure Sarah Palinwould liek to run

I understand liking a candidate and not considering gender, but seriously basing everything on gender is a slippery slope. There are tyrants of all gender,not saying that Clinton is a tyrant, but seriously there has to be more.

[madamesilverspurs]

17. Don't be ridiculous.

Nor did I vote for Obama because of his race.
I am allowed to note a rather obvious departure from the institutionalized standard for the office, am I not?

[Ned_Devine]

30. But you can see why that person would question it...

...after seeing your post with the x and y chromosomes. That post makes it seem like because she is a woman, she is not establishment, and therefore she has your vote.

[madamesilverspurs]

36. Got it. No smiling until further notice.

Ye gods.

[senz]

42. Rich, privileged, politically powerful, well-connected women are establishment.

"Ye gods -- looks like they're getting sick of the lies."

[okasha]

49. As are all Senators.

Sanders has never been anything but a career politician, all the 34 years he's spent in elective office/a steady job of any kind..

[senz]

51. Always fighting for the little guy. Always bucking the establishment.

That's called a statesman, and that's what Bernie is.

[okasha]

54. Suuuuurrre he is.

Did he pay for those $1600.00+ Warriors tickets himself, or did he accept yet another unethical and illegal gift?

[senz]

55. A fan probably invited him to the game.

Why don't you investigate your candidate's financial practices? So much to see there, more interesting by far.

[okasha]

69. In which case he accepted an unethical and illegal gift.

[TheFarS1de]

56. He paid for the tickets himself .

Reading is a wonderful tool , try it sometime .

[okasha]

68. As only a 1%-er could afford to do.

I rest my case.

[TheFarS1de]

73. You had a case ?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

71. and somehow he didn't get filthy rich

[elleng]

10. Smeared with the truth!

[Eko]

11. I think anyone

who is a super delegate is part of the "establishment".

[GulfCoast66]

12. No

But it is ridiculous for man who has been a politician or tried to be a politician his entire adult life.

And then was scheming enough to achieve a truce with the majority party in his state while voting with them while pontificating against them and the opposing party for 30 years. A master manipulator.

[msongs]

13. hypocrite bernie is an establishment lifer career politician living off taxpayers 36 yrs

[Andy823]

43. Exactly.

And yet his loyal followers fail to see the stupidity of him using that word to describe others. Hell every damn member of congress would be part of the establishment. Does he think Trump wouldn't use that against HIM if he were to win the nomination?

[Renew Deal]

16. They are both part of the establishment and theres nothing wrong with that.

Establishment Democratic Party politics have done a lot of good for this country and more than the fringe left or the right wing.

[beachbumbob]

18. Sore lose and sour grapes with big dose of no class...

Attack Jerry brown..attack Barney frank ....attack any and all that cross his path. A big reason why he isn't qualified to be president....the old not play nice with others is who sanders is...and it's not because of wonderful policy initiates or ideas..it's because he is an angry old man with an ego to large for him to handle

[senz]

24. A noble human being with tremendous courage, integrity, and NO ego.

[Ned_Devine]

32. That sounds more like it...and you spelled everything correctly :)

[seabeyond]

21. Sanders is establishment. Hypocrisy at its best.

[NorthCarolina]

52. "Establishment" doesn't refer to how long you've been in public office.

But then, you already knew that didn't you?

[seabeyond]

53. It has to do with being in the position of power in governing, which defines Sanders job of 25 yrs.

But then, I ma not so sure you already knew that.

[bigwillq]

22. No (nt)

[CanadaexPat]

23. If she's not Establishment, no one is.

[annavictorious]

25. The guy who's had his butt planted on a warm back bench

for the last 25 years, only occasionally stirring to cast NRA friendly votes and bring trillion dollar boondoggle war machine contracts to his small state, is the establishment.

[senz]

37. Bernie Sanders' legislative accomplishments -- a partial list

The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

H.Amdt. 98 to H.R. 665 (Victims of Justice Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 210 to H.R. 830 (Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 1203 to H.R. 3666 Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997

H.J.Res.129 enacted as S.J.Res.38 (A joint resolution granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact)

H.Amdt.174 to H.R.1757 (Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998)

H.Amdt.267 to H.R.2160 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.289 to H.R.2266 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1998) -- National Guard Starbase program

H.Amdt.368 to H.R.2378 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1998) -- Prohibit funds for the U.S. Customs Office from being used to allow the importation into the U.S. any material mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.388 to H.R.2267 (Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.569 to H.R.6 (Higher Education Amendments of 1998)

H.Amdt.614 to H.R.3694 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999) -- Reduce the intelligence budget for fiscal year 1999 by 5% with an exemption for the CIA Retirement and Disability Fund.

H.Amdt.626 to H.R.10 (Financial Services Act of 1998) -- Require the Comptroller General to report to Congress regarding the efficacy and benefits of uniformly limiting any commissions, fees, markups, or other costs incurred by customers in the acquisition of financial products.

H.Amdt.706 to H.R.4101 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Increase funding for nutrition programs for senior citizens by $10 million

H.Amdt.708 to H.R.4103 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Prohibit funding to be used to enter into or renew a contract with any company owned, or partially owned, by the People’s Republic of China or the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China.

H.Amdt.724 to H.R.4104 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1999) enacted as H.R. 2490 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2000) -- National Archives and Records Administration improvements

H.Amdt.127 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000)

H.Amdt.136 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- national pilot program to promote agritourism

H.Amdt.258 to H.R.2466 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) enacted as H.R.3194 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2000) -- deficit reduction; and reduces fossil energy research and development funding

H.Amdt.442 to H.R.2684 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- health care services for veterans in rural areas

H.Amdt.791 to H.R.4577 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001) -- (relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms)
H.Amdt.818 to H.R.4578 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2001) -- weatherization assistance and energy conservation programs and reduce fossil fuel energy research and development programs

H.Amdt.238 to H.R.2590 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2002) -- Prohibit the importation of goods made by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.376 to H.R.3061 (Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2002) -- relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms

H.Amdt.404 to H.R.3338 (Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States Act, 2002) -- Provide $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

H.Amdt.255 to H.R.2691 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Increase funding for weatherization assistance grants

H.Amdt.336 to H.R.2861 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) enacted as H.R.2673 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Prohibit the use of funds in the bill to implement any policy prohibiting the Directors of the Veterans Integrated Service Networks from conducting outreach or marketing to enroll new veterans within their respective networks.

S.Amdt.737 to H.R.1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007) -- fund weatherization assistance program

S.Amdt.1515 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- Establish an energy efficiency and renewable energy worker training program

S.Amdt.1525 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- use of solar hot water heaters in certain Federal buildings

S.Amdt.4384 to H.R.3221 (Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008) -- Increase specially adapted housing benefits for disabled veterans.

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- re child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces

S.Amdt.2271 to H.R.2997 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010) -- funds for the school community garden pilot program

S.Amdt.2601 to H.R.3326 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010) -- veteran outreach and reintegration services

S.Amdt.3738 to S.3217 (Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010) -- let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2 trillion in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System

S.Amdt.306 to H.R.1 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) -- Require recipients of TARP funding to meet strict H-1B worker hiring standard to ensure non-displacement of U.S. workers

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- report to Congress on financial assistance for child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces.

S.Amdt.4280 to H.R.4899 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2010) -- make publicly available the contractor integrity performance database established under the Clean Contracting Act of 2008

S.2450 (Veterans’ Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act of 2014) enacted as H.R.3230 (Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014) -- VA reform bill

S.893 (Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013) -- increase rates of veterans’ disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, etc.

S.Amdt.2146 to S.1471 (Alicia Dawn Koehl Respect for National Cemeteries Act) – re interring the remains and honoring the memory of a person in a national cemetery

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/

[chwaliszewski]

58. OMG! Stop it with posting facts already! They're too confusing.

[seabeyond]

62. Ya, he signed his name to other peoples work. Huge I tell you.

[YouDig]

26. I think Bernie should incorporate rolling laughing emojis into his campaign.

Just in case anyone still takes him seriously.

[840high]

45. Hillary needs to incorporate $$$$$ signs.

[YouDig]

47. Wow. Did you like think about that for a long time?

[840high]

61. About as long as you

thought about Bernie.

[AgingAmerican]

27. The guardians of the establishment say including her as establishment is a smear?

Hill-think

[senz]

29. Famous name, great wealth, political power, fearsome enemies list. Yeah. Establishment.

[TwilightZone]

31. Career politician calls another politician part of the establishment.

Sanders has been in one of the most exclusive clubs in the country for a couple decades. Claiming he's not part of the establishment after all this time is a little silly.

[senz]

40. He's the only one with the courage to take on the 1%.

He has always stuck his neck out for the little guy.

He is the opposite of your candidate.

[seabeyond]

63. Is that while he at those Democratic fundraisers? Or when he's selling his vote to "establishment"

Democrats to get elected?

[NorthCarolina]

34. Not at all, the media refers to her as the establishment candidate all the time.

It's true. Just like Bush was but that one got away from them. TPTB fully expected to have a Clinton-Bush contest in 2016, but Trump messed up that half of the script.

[upaloopa]

35. Bernie is as establishment as anyone he labels establishment

He had no real job until he got into politics. He was in Congress for more years than Hillary.

[senz]

38. Establishment is wealth, power, clout, fame. Bernie never pursued those things.

Establishment is having your "presidential" campaign all lined up and ready for you before you even announce. Your million dollar backers, your corrupt DWS/DNC, 33 states already bought off, a famous name from a spouse who was POTUS, hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank, a feared hit list, a cowed Democratic establishment.

Doesn't it embarrass you even a little bit to claim that Bernie is more establishment than Hillary? Or do you subscribe the same set of ethics as your candidate?

If you have anything good to say about YOUR candidate, then say it. But don't be lying about Bernie Sanders.

[Andy823]

46. Then why doesn't he show us his last years taxes?

And don't give me that BS about Hillary and her transcripts, I am asking about Bernie's taxes. If he has nothing to hide, why hasn't he released them yet?

[senz]

48. Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

We're not just throwing insults around here. We're discussing the concept of "establishment."

[upaloopa]

70. Bernie is establishment. He is good at hiding it. That is the truth. You all fell for his line but

not the rest of us.

[senz]

72. Give us some proof, upaloopa.

Show us how Bernie Sanders is so "establishment" compared to your Goldman Sachs-sponsored 1% privileged upper-crust candidate.

Doesn't it embarrass you even a little bit?

[TheKentuckian]

50. Being in politics even successfully isn't what determines if one is the establishment

or not, it is about who has the power, who has the pull, who dictates the rules, who's stamp is on outcomes, and who profits.

Established doesn't mean elected.

[chwaliszewski]

59. Does that mean he is the more experienced candidate then?

Because you can't have it both ways.

[Hydra]

41. *laughs*

Bernie was ostracized from the establishment for giving a damn about people and not supporting Bushco.

Bushco's best stumper is now characterized as being non-establisment...for reasons?

[LuvLoogie]

60. Bernie's whole campaign is irrelevant without the Democratic establishment.

He is dependent upon the establishment for voter access and a logistical structure. He also relies upon the Establishment as a mean beastie upon which he can focus the discontent of his Revolution. He places all the blame upon the Establishment for all that is bad about the way that things are, and claims for himself the standard of the way things should be--riding in on a borrowed horse.

[jamese777]

64. Establishment?

Bernie Sanders is a member of one of the most elite clubs in the United States, the Senate, which can only have 100 members. He has a base salary of $174,000 a year. That ain't the median U.S. Income and that's before adding in fringe benefits. His wife got a $200,000 severance package deal when she left Burlington College and the Sanders own two homes, one in Washington D.C.'s Capitol Hill neighborhood where the average home costs $750,000 and one in Vermont.
Yeah, just regular folks!
But of course Hillary Clinton is a much more establishment Democrat than Bernie, she's been a member of the Party for more than forty years while he only joined a year ago.

[Zambero]

66. No. There is no precise definition of "Establishment"

The GOP has an "Establishment" as well. One that refuses to work with the Democratic "Establishment". If Hillary is "Establishment" and Trump is not, then I might have to revisit how awful or otherwise that imprecise and quishy term really is.

[EndElectoral]

67. Quintessential Establishment

[treestar]

75. He is trying to

but not everyone believes "the establishment" is evil and his expectation that we bow down to him about that is unrealistic.

Not everyone hates "the Establishment." That would be to hate our Constitution, really. Not everyone hates stability.

[SheilaT]

77. If telling the truth is a smear,

then yes. Although factual statements should never be considered a smear. It is true Hillary is part of the Establishment. For some, particularly her supporters, that is a good thing. For others, it is not.

Certainly here on DU many factual statements about Hillary are taken as insults, which only shows how truly out of touch with reality her supporters are here.

[gordyfl]

78. Huge Campaign Donations, Giving Speeches for Large Sums of Money

Member of the 1%.

And not a member of The establishment?

You're kidding me...

[LexVegas]

81. white guy in the most powerful legislative body on earth for years calling others establisment....

[pdsimdars]

82. Which means they must think "Establishment" is a horrible thing. Which they are part of.

Wait that makes no f*cking sense. But I doubt they even realize that.

[Nye Bevan]

83. He's been in Congress over 25 years.

Both he and Hillary are undeniably Establishment.