The convention will not be contested

[bravenak]

Hillary will not be arrested.
Superdelegate votes count as soon as they declare their intentions.
She needs 2383 total delegates. She need not reach that number solely with pledged delegates. She can do it with a combination of pledged and supers, like so many men that came before her did.
There will not be special restrictions placed on her just because some people are angry.
No amount of taking it to the streets will change the fact that millions more voters chose Clinton.

No amount of anger, name calling, attacking, accusing, or veiled threats will change the fact that Hillary is the nominee. And she did not use fraud to win, she reached out to voters.

Hillary will choose her own platform and doctrine. She will choose her own VP. No amount of warnings or threats or harrassments will force her to let the primary runner up make all her decisions for her.

Time to get behind the nominee and stop trying to take her down and weaken her. Trump is the real enemy, and if you do not agree, you may just not be a Democrat.

[jfern]

1. You of all people talk about not taking someone down?

But Bernie's supporters are all racist and sexist white males, right? Total bullshit.

[bravenak]

3. You need to move on

People see you guys and they write articles. If you think I am the sole reason the berniebro stuff got started? You need to do a bit of soul searching.

[bravenak]

8. What they hell does that poll have to do with my op?

Please stay on subject.

[jfern]

10. That it's very ironic for you to complain about criticizing someone

[bravenak]

14. Move on with your life and stop thinking about me so much

I certainly do not ruminate over you

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Well well,

LMAO

[jfern]

21. You were part of the scorched earth campaign against Bernie

Trying to paint all his supporters as sexist and racist white males, even though his white supporters are less racist than Hillary's white supporters. And now you complain about your shitty candidate being criticized? You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

[bravenak]

26. The campaign is over but for the bitterness

[jfern]

29. It's not over, I haven't voted yet

[bravenak]

36. Go vote then

I have no idea why you are telling me about your voting habits

[hellofromreddit]

122. Stop telling him (or her) that voting doesn't matter then.

This isn't complicated. We live in a country predicated on our right to vote ad the power of that vote. You spend hours a day telling people that their votes are unimportant, therefore you should expect some push back.

[bravenak]

123. You can stop telling me what to stop telling him

[Maru Kitteh]

156. I don't understand this "but MY vote hasn't been counted yet!" need for specialness

In MOST primary elections, the outcome is determined well before the final states weigh in.

I don't know, I myself would prefer a "four quarters" approach. Three quarters with a mix of states in scattered regions and sizes, and one quarter with a bunch of small states together.

But the fact is, none of us is such a special snowflake that the entire primary election has to wait for them to vote. It's silly to the nth level and often makes the people who say it sound self-centered and immature.

Almost every primary of my life, my vote has been cast well after the results were already well known. I never felt like everybody should stop and wait for me. I didn't stew about being "cheated." It's just the way it goes.

[bravenak]

159. It is one of the most immature responses

The world must wait, the ground must rise up to meet their feel as they saunter through life. Very privileged.

[merrily]

40. Were you hoping for mass amnesia? That you're back and others are not speaks volumes about DU.

[SMC22307]

142. Once the new rules go into effect, true to form,

she'll rack up five hides. A thread in ATA states that the admins won't be so quick to let disrupters back in:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10570

It's just a matter of time...

[greiner3]

120. I can't call you a cow

But you sure seem to chew cud a lot

[puffy socks]

25. Oooh a poll

Who did they poll? Bernie bros?

[Arkansas Granny]

51. Do you have a link to that poll?

[jfern]

57. There was a thread about it here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512104758

[Arkansas Granny]

85. Did you read through that thread? I didn't register on a site I didn't know to read the results,

but many people on that thread indicated that it was bogus.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

129. Not all but some def are. Like the one who doxxed me.

[beachbum bob]

2. hillary is the nominee and after june 7th when bernie keeps attacking

I predict almost all the remaining super delegates commit to sanders and the rest of america will only see sanders as an angry old sore loser socialist who lacks character and grace....that will be his legacy

sanders can exit gracefully or not. He lost.... His choice...

Nov 8 will elect hillary

[bravenak]

5. It's getting old and stale and quite a bit ridiculous

[bvf]

11. No, she's not.

[puffy socks]

43. yep

its gonna be a sad sad day at the convention when Bernie's Band of Bros are finally forced to admit it

Bernie's bros ---->

Sorry to say, after all the vile crap I've seen directed at other Hillary supporters and had directed at me..I'm going to enjoy THE 'F' out of that day!!

all 12 of the remaining BoBers can protest outside the convention and yell and scream until their hearts are...well who knows. I doubt these people are ever content.

[bvf]

91. Nope. Sorry.

[puffy socks]

100. everyone else is moving on without the Berners come the 16th like it or not

and that's just here on DU. The rest of the world has already moved on. So sorry you're late to the party.
We'll leave the door unlocked for you when you finally come to.


bye now

off to talk about the GE and the two presidential nominees from both the GOP and the Democratic Party .

[bvf]

101. No they're not.

[geek tragedy]

15. He's acting much more like a Trotskyite than a socialist.

Socialists respect the will of the voters.

[Starry Messenger]

52. Bingo.

[BobbyDrake]

4. All good points.

I don't get where this "We lost, appease us!" nonsense comes from. If Bernie had won, would he be expected to make concessions? Would he be giving Clinton 5 convention committee slots where no other losing candidate in history had ever gotten them? Would Bernie be letting Clinton pick his VP for him? What would Bernie say if Clinton demanded some of his supporters be removed from their convention roles because she thought they were too mean to her?

None of that would happen.

[bravenak]

7. I don't get it either

And none of this will make one super flip their way

[DonCoquixote]

130. er

I dunno, I remember Obama letting Hillary become the SECRETARY OF STATE, even though many would not have. The Libyan women who now have to fear Isis probably wish he did not.

[BobbyDrake]

141. You say "Obama letting" as if he weren't the POTUS and the one making the conscious decision.

Is robbing people of their agency so second-nature to you now that you just do it with everyone? Even the President of the United States?

[DonCoquixote]

143. the point was

this op is saying that bernie should not be allowed into the process because he lost, Hillary LOST, and yet she obviously gained a concession.

He did indeed make that decision, and my point about those people who died as a result of Hillary's "we came we saw, he died" joke do indeed regret that he did. That is not robbing people of their agency, that is pointing out a fact. Indeed, if Obama did not reject the calls for aggression in Syria, that Hillary herself detailed in a little book called "hard choices" we might be going to war with Syria , which mean war with Russia, which means that the Hot war with Russia even Nixon managed to avoid could be done under the decisions of one Hillary Clinton.

you do remember her decision to publish that book while Obama was busy trying to cool down the war, right? The one where she blamed Obama's refusal to escalate that war for the rises of isis?

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/01/want-endless-war-love-us-empire-well-hillary-clintons-your-choice
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

No one forced her to write those books, did they? And no one forced people not to read them or ignore them, that was the choice of some who wanted to support her anyway.

and no one forced her to do this knowing it would be used as propaganda.

and sadly, I am going to have to make a choice to vote for her to avoid trump, but that will not force me to do everything possible to make her that if she continues to ask for war in Syria, putting up that no fly zone that ensures a risk of direct conflict with Russia, that I will not do whatever is possible to stop it. Some people will,abandon their agency because a) they really do nto mind war or B) think it is worth their vanity to say that Hillary is doing it.

[grasswire]

9. someone put you in charge, eh? nt

[bravenak]

16. They should have

[bvf]

24. Hasn't it always been that way?

I swear that's the only reason she got back in here.

Talk to her if you're not happy with your local weather forecast. Be nice, and don't bring up--well, you know.

[msanthrope]

110. Sid sent out a memo. Did you not get it? nt

[SCantiGOP]

12. bravenak:

[bravenak]

27. I opened up du today like 'wtf?'

[geek tragedy]

13. Sanders will contest the nomination at the convention

because at heart he doesn't respect democracy. Voters, schmoters, it's his turn.

Sanders will try to stand in her way and will get run over.

[bravenak]

19. Yep. He needs to knock it off at this point

So many disillusioned young voters might just stop voting if they think it's just rigged and a big ol fraud

[geek tragedy]

31. He won't because he can't be reasoned with.

That means he'll have to be destroyed in the press and ridiculed to the point his name is a synonym for delusional sore losers.

[bravenak]

35. That part is already happening

Sad thing is he can just call them establishment and his crowd will follow

[geek tragedy]

45. He will start losing all but the most unthinking die yards

who usually vote Green anyways.

His refusal to accept the will of the voters as legitimate while trying to steal the nomination will cause his rational voters to jump ship.

Merkley will probably ditch him. None of his elected superdelegates will be able to defend him.

He wants Trump to win so he can claim we screwed up by not voting for him.

He's Tonya Harding.

[bravenak]

48. Agreed

Once ego takes over, nothing can stop the crash and burn

[bvf]

32. Maybe if you sent him a nicely worded letter

it would help.

[Autumn]

17. .

[merrily]

46. I kinda prefer the one that turns its back to the viewer and scratches its bottom.

But, I respect your choice.

[Autumn]

53. Oh yeah, that one fits

I respect your advice

[merrily]

54. Now, that's party unity!

[TwilightZone]

18. The fundamental misunderstanding of the terms "contested" and "brokered" in relation to

the convention is widespread on DU. Many who toss the terms around clearly have no clue what they mean.

But then, Sanders doesn't understand what constitutes a contested convention either, so it's not surprising that many of his supporters are confused.

[bravenak]

22. I'm not even sure he has ever been to a demicratic convention

Might be he truly does not understand the rules

[TwilightZone]

30. Very possible. He's indicated repeatedly that he either doesn't understand rules or pretends not to

so he can get people worked up. Neither is terribly appealing.

[bravenak]

33. It really is a horrible thing to tell people untruths to get attention

[truebrit71]

112. ...

You owe me one Irony-meter...

[NurseJackie]

114. Someone on his staff really ought to explain it to him...

... It's really not that difficult to understand.

[bravenak]

132. They might just not care very much about him winning us over

I thought that since August

[jfern]

23. They are two different terms

The convention could be contested. Of course it won't be brokered unless Hillary drops out. A brokered convention implies no one got a majority on the first ballot, which would only happen in an exact tie with 2 candidates.

[geek tragedy]

34. It's his way of making threats in order to service his own ego.

He can't stand that the woman who won would dare get to celebrate her victory.

[NorthCarolina]

28. Why does camp Hillary seem to have have so many "authoratative opinions"

on precisely what will transpire at the convention, on a public bulletin board?

[bravenak]

37. These are called FACTS

[840high]

39. They're scared and making shit up.

[rock]

38. Rather succinct and well thought out

Covering all the critical points. Great Job bravenak.

[bravenak]

42. Sad we have to keep repeating ourselves

[Live and Learn]

41. Another great story. You are becoming quite the fiction writer.

Will the next delve in to the illicit wars she starts?

[bravenak]

44. I always get top scores on my creative writing assignments

[Live and Learn]

47. I can see why. They are quite creative. nt

[bravenak]

50. I agree

[Live and Learn]

56. I know you do. The sad part is that many of your followers don't recognize satire when they see it.

[bravenak]

58. This op is actually just straight shooting

I warn them individually when it's satire

[Live and Learn]

63. Straight shooting fiction, hmmm. And you are keeping to your tragedy genre, I see. nt

[bravenak]

74. Life is a tragedy. We all end up dead somehow

[B Calm]

49. Comedy hour again?

[bravenak]

73. I read the bsg for my laughs

[TheCowsCameHome]

81. ...from the outside.

[bravenak]

82. Better this way

No need to post there. Only group I'm blocked from. I deleted my posts and they still banned me.

So I then joined the Hillary group. They never blocked me ever. I love them.

[TheCowsCameHome]

90. No surprise there, actually.

That was an easy one

[yallerdawg]

55. He's working on a final chapter to his book!

Got to end with a BANG.

[bravenak]

59. It will end in shame

[RobertEarl]

60. Hillary should quit

Her legal troubles are stinking up the place and only republicans are happy.

She is such a weak candidate that an unknown small state senator has nearly tied her in delegates.

Her day has come and gone.

[bravenak]

64. Sorry. I cannot understand you with my silly lil confederate mind

[RobertEarl]

70. Well, you are new to all this

And you do seem silly. So you are forgiven, for you know not what you do.

[bravenak]

71. Yeah sure

[shawn703]

61. You have no standing to say who is and who is not a Democrat

[bravenak]

62. Yes I do

[shawn703]

65. And you think Bernie is the one with the ego

[bravenak]

66. Yes, I do

[shawn703]

67. Okay

[Agnosticsherbet]

68. Very good.

[bravenak]

76. And I'd feel exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot

I think most of us are reasonable people

[insta8er]

69. Talking in absolutes again....

[bravenak]

72. Better Ms Cleo than waiting for the indictment fairy

[insta8er]

75. You are so funny...no other insults like dumb, trolls or more derogatory stuff today?

[bravenak]

77. Gave it up with my resolution

[insta8er]

80. Saw that resolution, so you now only insult people's view on things..you are no longer calling them

names? I see...

[bravenak]

83. Baby steps

[insta8er]

86. Indeed.

[aikoaiko]

78. As a Bernie supporter I can mostly agree with you on how this will play out.

Except that I think Bernie and his supporters should exert as much influence as they can on the activities and outcomes of the convention.

I do not think a strong Bernie or Bernie supporter response they will weaken Clinton. Its not like Trump will attack her from the left (except on NAFTA).

I think it is important for a liberal like Bernie to show that a liberal can't fight hard until the very end. Remember when we heard Dean and Edwards says they were taking it "all the way to the end" but they dropped out.

And its easier for me to support your OPs when you don't indulge in character assassination down thread.

[bravenak]

87. I normally don't insult them if they do not insult me

I try to keep it upbeat if possible. We will find a day when we are in full agreement on an issue in the future, so I am limiting myself to attacking ideas rather than engaging in personal attacks.

I do not mind people fighing for inclusion of their ideas. But I dislike the fantasy component.

[aikoaiko]

94. That "fantasy thing" is complex though.

People have been telling Bernie supporters that he can't improve his standing much from the very first day of his campaign. When you've been told that every possible upcoming achievement is impossible and a fantasy and many of them are achieved along the way, one begins to doubt the fantasy label.

Still, I agree with you that HRC will be the nominee. I support all Bernie supporters speaking their minds civilly.

I don't think Bernie is ego driven -- I think its pride in a liberal agenda that motivates him to continue the fight.

He'll concede eventually, support HRC, and he'll go back to Vermont. I'm not sure HRC would want Bernie to campaign for her.

[bravenak]

97. I was more talking of an indictment possiblity being the fantasy some are engaging in

I do agree that people should speak their minds, but I prefer a reality based approach, rather than extremely hard wishing.

[TheCowsCameHome]

79. Really?

Thanks for the chuckle.

[bravenak]

89. Oh yes really

[Android3.14]

84. The convention will not be contested...by bigots. But for the rest of us

We will push for a contested convention.

[bravenak]

88. It wont be contested by ANYONE

[MineralMan]

92. It will be televised, though.

I'll be watching.

[bravenak]

93. I'll be watching too.

I enjoy the coverage. Plan on making some bbq that day. Will be fun for me, cause I'm boring.

[Gothmog]

95. The primary contest has been over for some time now

[bravenak]

98. Yep

Since March

[Jack Bone]

96. Excuse me while these monkeys fly outta my butt

[bravenak]

99. Getting nonsensical around here

[bvf]

102. Well, it did take a nosedive

the day you were taken off FFR for the---

How many times was it, again?

[wildeyed]

104. Let us take a moment to contemplate glass houses and transparency.....

We can see yours too

[bvf]

111. Never been FFR'd.

And I've never had to apologize for anything I've posted here; nor, had I, would I have been so childish and petulant as to retract the apology.

That second part pretty much holds true for everyone here, save one individual.

Anything else?

[wildeyed]

144. Must be nice to never have to apologize for anything.

And there is plenty of childish and petulant behavior to go around these days. Again, that thing about glass houses....

[bvf]

145. Save us all some time and learn to read.

[wildeyed]

146. Aren't you sweet!

Totally making a case for your moral and tempramental superiority!

[bvf]

147. I can parse a sentence and spell.

That would put me one or two up on you, wouldn't it?

[wildeyed]

148. But you can't argue my point, so you deflect.

Which was calling another DUer out on their transparency when your own is showing too.

[bvf]

150. You're continuing to make my case. Thank you.

I won't bother trying to direct you to the post in question, since your comprehension could not have improved all that much since you first failed to read it.

Nice irony in your little picture there.

[wildeyed]

154. That you prefer ad homs to actual discussion?

Easy case to make.

[bvf]

155. No, that you clearly can't read. n/t/o

[wildeyed]

160. At least my transparency is not showing.

[wildeyed]

103. That must feel interesting.

How did they get into your butt in the first place?

[Jack Bone]

105. Waynes World reference

[PowerToThePeople]

106. Bernie or Bust!

[bravenak]

107. Bust!

[PowerToThePeople]

108. maybe

I'll deal with that if it comes to that.

[bravenak]

109. We will save you from Trump, regardless

[stonecutter357]

153. Bust!

[Cha]

113. I love this.. thank you, brave! Right.. BS doesn't get to choose Hill's VP

[RBInMaine]

115. ANYONE who is so selfish as to sit out rather than backing Clinton is NOT PROGRESSIVE!!

Because sitting out and sulking like a pouting spoiled little brat by default helps FrankenTrump, and that MONSTER can not be allowed to become president.

[bvf]

116. Heartwarming.

How many wars can we put you down for with your "progressive" candidate?

The combatants she's sure to send to the first theater are certain not to get caught in lies about taking sniper fire.

"Selfish" is backing a candidate who to all appearances stands an even chance of losing to Trump, for no other reason than that she's been a shitty candidate since 2008.

[brer cat]

118. They are so desperate to say "I told you so"

that they are willing to torpedo the country to make it happen. Bernie lost, so that is all they have left..."You should have listened to meeeee." But it won't happen. Hillary will defeat Trump and be a great President!

[baldguy]

119. +1000

"Trump is the real enemy, and if you do not agree, you may just not be a Democrat."

Or a progressive, for that matter.

[bravenak]

126. Bunch of them around here. Be glad when the new rules filter out the trump humpers

[hellofromreddit]

121. "Superdelegate votes count as soon as they declare their intentions." Nope.

No amount of repeating that changes it.

Oh, I believe that she's very likely to get the nomination on the first ballot, but that happens at the contested convention which we will inevitably have.

you may just not be a Democrat

Your tribalism is getting tiring. Hillary's job is to earn votes. No amount of anger, name calling, attacking, accusing, or veiled threats will change the fact that Hillary has a hell of a steep hill to climb in that regard and much if it is her own doing. I'll do my part to drag her up that hill when the time comes, but I do expect her to fail in the end.

She's been a lousy candidate for a long time and is only getting worse.

[bravenak]

124. Don't worry about me. Worry about yourself.

I'm minding not tending. You should give it a try. I call it minding thine own business.

[hellofromreddit]

125. It's a discussion board. I'm discussing.

[bravenak]

127. We are not here to discuss posters on du. Find a new activity

[La Lioness Priyanka]

128. yes!!!!

[bravenak]

134. I know!!!!!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

136. I had a drink last night called YASSS KWEEN

And I almost said that but tone is so difficult to communicate online

[bravenak]

137. I gotta get me some for TUESDAY

Gonna be having me a good ass time!! Yaaaas!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

138. Prosecco and some flowery bitters

[beachbumbob]

131. June 16th coming quickly

Sanders supporters attacks be ending soon enough against our nominee....

[bravenak]

133. I plan on alerting any over the top slurs against our nominee the very second this ends

[Scurrilous]

135. Pretty much says it all.

[Lucinda]

139. KNR

[noiretextatique]

140. i crown you the ms. cleo of DU

you are as accurate and have as much integrity as she does. congratulations.

[wildeyed]

149. Yes, the convention will not be contested,

Hillary will not be arrested, and the revolution will not be televised.

Now let's all go kick some GOP ass!

[stonecutter357]

151. K&R!

[Gomez163]

152. And the revolution will not be televised.

[NurseJackie]

157. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that you may be correct!

Things really aren't looking too good for Bernie right now.

[bravenak]

158. Fabulous!!!!!

[coyote]

161. Oy vey!

Oh! Was that too Jewish for you Bravenak?

[democrattotheend]

162. Bernie has no obligation to release his delegates

So yes, the convention can be contested if he chooses to make it so. She will win, but it may be contested.