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Heres where Hillary Clinton is giving her nomination victory speech on Tuesday night
By Bill Palmer | June 4, 2016 |
Hillary Clinton will officially clinch the Democratic Party 2016 nomination for President on Tuesday June 7th when the polls close in New Jersey, whether she wins the state or not, based on proportional delegates but she wont be giving her victory speech there. Shell also be looking to win the California primary later that night, but she wont be speaking from the west coast either. Instead, Hillary has revealed an intriguing home base for the evening....
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/heres-where-hillary-clinton-is-giving-her-nomination-clinching-speech-on-tuesday-night/24922/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)But the rules don't apply to Sanders, right? Most votes, most delegates, superdelegate counts, popular opinion. Fuck all of that! Give Sanders special treatment because he is a raging asshole
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Three times now recently the DNC has dispatched a spokesperson to inform the networks not to include the superdelegates in with pledged delegates when reporting primary voting results. These are not Sanders' rules but those of the DNC.
As far as calling Senator Sanders "a raging asshole" you are beyond appalling. Off to Ignore with you.
Sam
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Just keep shrinking your world until almost no one is left to listen to. That is the best way to live your life.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hillary's campaign. They won't be neutral because we will have a winner.
Bernie can complain all he wants, but he is powerless to stop it. Because he lost.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This is how it has always worked. When a candidate has both a pledged delegate majority and an overall delegate majority--they get declared the presumptive nominee.
The first woman to become a presumptive nominee is not going to get treated differently than all the male nominees just because the self-entitled man whose ass she beat refuses to acknowledge her victory.
Bernie and his people can say whatever they want about her not being the winner. He's the loser, so his opinion doesn't count. Ain't shit he can do to stop it. All he can do is whine.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)On Tuesday, it all changes. Clinton has a majority of the delegates and supers vote for the candidate with the most delegates...thus, she is the presumptive nominee as Obama was in 08 under similar circumstances with the number of votes and all. At the convention, she becomes the nominee ...and the word presumptive is no longer used.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)To become part of it? Why did he betray the movement and participate in something he loathes? To become a well known shit stirrer? To try and dismantle Democrats from winning? He had a choice to be true to his beliefs and he chose to be a participant in what he hated, now he needs to be a grownup and admit it was a flawed gambit from the beginning.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and anyone who doesn't like it is shit out of luck, as well as out of excuses.
As of Tuesday she will have won, she can declare victory, and all Bernie can do about it is whine and get made fun of.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)No because she will have clinched it by longstanding rules.
Can't wait.
Skink
(10,122 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Given that she's not from Brooklyn, nor has she ever been in the Navy!
bjo59
(1,166 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)She's a horribly flawed candidate that offers no vision.
She's Walter Mondale in a pantsuit.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)And the pantsuit remark is misogynist bulllshit.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)July after she's already had a big victory party? Interesting strategy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)superdelegates supporting her. She won. Doesn't matter if you and Bernie and Jane and Weaver refuse to acknowledge it. Reality will go forward without you.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)climate change to James Inhofe.
Facts and science are behind you
and all you get is a snowball for an answer...........
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)to vote for a guy with several million fewer votes and several hundred fewer PDs.
What part of democracy is so hard for you people?
jillan
(39,451 posts)her own rules.
She has 1776 delegates, according to the AP.
She needs 607 to clinch the nomination.
This is insane.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)did to Obama.
When he clinched with superdelegates he declared victory and was universally regarded as the presumptive nominee.
It's Team Bernie that's trying to rewrite the rules.
This garbage about needing 2383 pledged delegates to become the presumptive nominee is delusional Calvinball.
No one cares what the guy who lost the voting thinks. Because he lost, his opinion is ultimately irreievant.
jillan
(39,451 posts)This is from the DNC themselves, and yes they are the ones that set the rules.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)2383 is the number of pledged AND superdelegates needed to win. To reach a majority of the pledged delegates, you need only 2026. The superdelegates always support the winner of the pledged delegates. Game over.
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/6/11597550/superdelegates-bernie-sanders-clinton
To win the Democratic nomination, a candidate needs a simple majority of 2,383 delegates (pledged or superdelegates) at the convention floor.
About 85 percent of the convention's delegates are chosen by the voters, and about 15 percent are superdelegates. So it takes a pretty huge pledged delegate margin of victory a win of 59 to 41 percent to take the nomination outright. Otherwise, the superdelegates have to push someone over the finish line.
This is what happened in 2008. Barack Obama did not take enough of the pledged delegates to win the nomination alone. But because Obama had narrowly beaten Clinton among the pledged delegates, the superdelegates followed the will of the voters and gave him the nomination.
You could look at that and say that Obama won "because of" the superdelegates. And in the most literal sense possible, it'd be true. But, again, superdelegates did not make Obama the nominee the voters did. The same dynamic is now playing out with Clinton and Sanders in 2016.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)you sure are counting a whole bunch of chickens before they've hatched.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)more she blabs about winning, the more angry her opposition will get. Totally up to her if she wants peace or war.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Maybe Rikers Island.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)I am so excited like a kid at Christmas.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Rob H.
(5,352 posts)There are four "reporters" at Daily News Bin: Cara Harris, Tim Martyn, Christy Bishop Cricow, Reggie Smith, and Anita Finlay Harris, Martyn, and Smith seem not to exist. The only "Christy Bishop Cricow" I can find with a Google search is an interior designer and sticker manufacturer who lives in Eugene, Oregon. Anita Finlay Harris is a real person, who hold right-wing/libertarian views (she's a regular contributor to the right-wing The Jerry Doyle Show, the right-wing Americans Talk Radio Network, the right-wing Midpoint With Ed Berliner, the right-wing Talk Radio Network, and more). But if you search Daily News Bin for anything she's written, nothing comes up. Nor does a Google search of her name and Daily News Bin.
If you read the articles on Daily News Bin, it's clear the site is a poorly written pro-Hillary Clinton site. It does nothing but promote Hillary Clinton. It talks as if Hillary Clinton already won the Democratic nomination for president. Now, Daily News Bin pretends to have Tech, Music, and Entertainment sections. But if you go to them, you discover them either empty or full of pro-Hillary Clinton articles.
I'm all for political Web sites. But this is a joke. It's so poorly done, I'm shocked anyone believes it.