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thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:21 PM Jun 2016

Today is the anniversary of the death of Senator Robert F. Kennedy and I wonder

first, what he would think of today's nation, and

second, what progressives, particularly those who say they'll refuse to vote for Secretary Clinton, would think of him if he was a candidate today.

As for the first, I imagine he'd be both depressed and encouraged. Depressed that racism, poverty, and international conflict seem as intractable as they did in his era. That the Voting Rights Act of 1965 has been gutted. That much the federal judiciary, including the Supreme Court, is packed with right wing hacks (some of them hanging on from the era of--gag!--President Ronald Reagan). That the Republicans are even more reactionary and anti-intellect and anti-compassion than they were under Barry Goldwater, poised to nominate an out and out bigot who is quite possibly the most deranged major party candidate in this nation's history.

Encouraged though that an African American is president (!), that Jim Crow is gone. That on the whole we are a more tolerant, more humane society in very many important ways. That Medicare and Medicaid have survived (they were just starting when he died), bringing relief to tens of millions of people. That Dixiecrats are a thing of the past (they're all Republicans now), that even George Wallace in the end saw the folly and evil of his racist ways.

But what would the die-hard Sanders supporters, the ones who keep telling us they'd NEVER vote for a candidate as flawed as Clinton, think of RFK, if he were same man running today? A career politician who shilled for Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s? Who supported the Vietnam War before he opposed it? Who approved the bugging of Rev. King (and thus was a precursor to the National Security State)? Who jumped into the 1968 primary only after Senator Eugene McCarthy demonstrated how vulnerable LBJ was because of the war? A member of the 1%? Part of the Kennedy "dynasty"?

Make no mistake, I admire Senator Kennedy, and his death was one of the saddest days of my young life. I think had that bullet not found him, he would have gone on to be elected president, and this nation's subsequent history would have been substantially better. I forgive him all his foibles and flaws, being well aware of my own, and admiring the advocate for peace and justice he had become in the last days of his life. "So now it's on to Chicago, and let's win there!" will be a phrase forever etched into my mind and heart, bringing me both the exultation of having lived--even as a child--through such exciting times, and a deep and abiding grief over all we lost on that terrible day.

Please be respectful in your responses, to me if at all possible, and certainly to each other. I'm sorry if this OP seems crass--linking as it does the death of a progressive icon to today's politics (using his death to make a point?)--but it's what's been on my mind these past days, as I read the posts and listen to the news.

And please take some time today to remember Senator Robert F. Kennedy, who gave his life, and faced his death, in an attempt to make this world a better place for all.

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Today is the anniversary of the death of Senator Robert F. Kennedy and I wonder (Original Post) thucythucy Jun 2016 OP
Well articulated PJMcK Jun 2016 #1
You're welcome. thucythucy Jun 2016 #3
Yes, he is the one that inspired me to be a Democrat. mmonk Jun 2016 #2
Things That Never Were RaelRaven Jun 2016 #4
Excellent first post. thucythucy Jun 2016 #6
Thank you RaelRaven Jun 2016 #7
Today, he would be vilified like Hillary. He had extramarital affairs, slimed many people, was Jitter65 Jun 2016 #5
Bobby Kennedy evolved -- in a genuine, internal way -- and it showed. senz Jun 2016 #8

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. Well articulated
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for your thoughtful observations, thucythucy. RFK was a giant compared to many of today's Democrats. Like you, I believe that he would have won the election- Nixon would've lost to both brothers!- and our nation would be profoundly different and better.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
2. Yes, he is the one that inspired me to be a Democrat.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

Too bad about neoliberalism. That party is gone now. I'm not a part of anything that currently has power. Maybe it's just time to give up the dream. Survive and advance with less and less. I'm 60, not too many more decades to go. I feel sorry for my sons. Good day now. See you all later.

RaelRaven

(2 posts)
4. Things That Never Were
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jun 2016

In every sense, Robert Kennedy was a tragic figure. His personal life was marked by one heartbreak after another, beginning with the loss of two brothers and a sister. In addition, there was the near-loss of a third brother in the plane crash that nearly killed Edward Kennedy in 1964. He was also a tragic figure precisely because his flaws were so exposed. He was a man who wore his raw emotions on his sleeve. His remarkable ability to grow, to change, to admit his past mistakes and to strive to make himself and his country better are qualities that truly set him apart from other politicians, as did his willingness to move beyond the standard liberal prescriptions of the day in his assessment of the problems facing America and how to fix them (the most famous example being his willingness to speak in poor communities about replacing what he called the "indignity of the dole" with "the dignity of work&quot . Right up the end of his life RFK was a very controversial figure: the radical leftist Rampart magazine celebrated his death, as did the Weather Underground on the dedication page of their revolutionary guidebook "Prairie Fire." These "celebrations" were disgusting and entirely misplaced. The ultimate tragedy of June 5, 1968 is that America lost its last best hope for true reconciliation and steadfast commitment to improving the lot of the downtrodden when RFK made that fateful pivot on the stage of the Embassy Ballroom.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
5. Today, he would be vilified like Hillary. He had extramarital affairs, slimed many people, was
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

disliked by the RW darling, JEH. The media is nothing like it was during that time. The only reason we had any heroes at all in the public sector was because the media refrained from reporting on their intimate personal lives and was very picky about whose financial lives they examined closely.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
8. Bobby Kennedy evolved -- in a genuine, internal way -- and it showed.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jun 2016

Toward the end of his life he had developed a huge heart, compassion, a softness that made him so much greater than the tough little guy he started out to be.

He's special to me, too. The night he died, I had a vivid dream about him and woke up feeling that he had reached out to me in a spirit of love and helpfulness.

I'm a Sanders supporter, and it has occurred to me many times that not since Bobby Kennedy have I seen a politician with so much love for people. I think Bobby would have liked and respected Bernie Sanders very much.

The Clintons hated Teddy Kennedy for supporting Obama. He was a "seven" on their famous hit list.

He had slashed Hillary worst of all, delivering a pivotal endorsement speech for Obama just before the Super Tuesday primaries that cast her as yesterday’s news and Obama as the rightful heir to Camelot. He did it in conjunction with a New York Times op-ed by Caroline Kennedy that said much the same thing in less thundering tones. Bill Clinton had pleaded with Kennedy to hold off, but to no avail.

Still, Clinton aides exulted in schadenfreude when their enemies faltered. Years later they would joke about the fates of folks who they felt had betrayed them.

“Bill Richardson: investigated; John Edwards: disgraced by scandal; Chris Dodd: stepped down,” one said to another. “Ted Kennedy,” the aide continued, lowering his voice to a whisper for the punch line, “dead.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list
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