2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMy current plan RE: Election 2016 (or flip me!)
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I've been a big voice for going third party and NEVER HILLARY. However, I've done some soul searching over the last 24 hours.
My current plan is, I'm giving Hillary a clean slate. Erasing EVERYTHING I know about her. I want to see if she pivots left or right in the GE.
It's time to flip me Hillary. Court me. Love me. Treat me like I'm Donna Brazile. Wine me, dine me, or at least throw me some bones on things I care about. Progressive things. Awesome things that democrats should be for to begin with.
Help me help you. Make we want to vote for you. Please.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)she can either choose to go after disaffected republicans or the 45% of her party who's looking for some progressive moves. It's really all up to her now. Independents were behind Bernie, there is a huge chunk of votes out there if she goes left.
We'll see what she does in the coming weeks.
pengu
(462 posts)She'd just flip again after she's elected.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)has provided the public with no basis for trusting her... "Don't Ask Me" No Questions... What a Great Song!
e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)You should vote for Hill if no other reason than the courts...Roe V Wade, Gay marriage, healthcare...you think any of that could survive five courts picks...you want to have a revolution, make sure Trump does not get in because your movement is toast if he does.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Who will go down in history as an also ran spoiler who destroyed all progressive policies...just like the Nader spoilers gave us Bush.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I already have. I'm going to be busy. You decide.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)That's what politicians are supposed to do. This is what voters are supposed to do.
djean111
(14,255 posts)You did make me laugh, though - your OP made me think of Hillary as Christopher Walken's The Continental on SNL.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)For a start...
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)She already made her pivot left, it's back to center and right now.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)What a chance! Move left and you get all the Bernie voters plus a majority of independents. This is so easy. Just do it Hillary.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)On the repub side, nothing for certain. But that is where she is going. There was a headline today about her formal republican outreach effort set to begin.
I didn't read anything about a formal progressive outreach.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)We will see which way she goes. This may be a very short experiment on my part.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)You have no idea how quickly that slate dirtied itself again. By the end of that day, I already had fifty people back on ignore.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)If you put any stock into 538.
I'll recycle an earlier statement; To win the Whitehouse the candidate has to become much more centric to get the extra 35+ million more votes than what was cast in the recent primary. For BOTH candidates.
Do what ever makes your day I guess.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)that doesnt even make sense
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Why leave them on the table?
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)otherwise don't.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...she needs to give me a reason to give a fuck. That's the job of a politician.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)2 supreme court justices, roe v wade, and donald trump. what else you need?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I'm looking and giving Hillary a chance me make we want to vote for her.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I don't really see the difference.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)You don't see that the choice is really quite simple. Politics is messy and we don't always get our way, but the choices we make really make a difference.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And at any rate there are vanishingly few voters more liberal than Clinton is already (even if some of the sanctimonious wrongly think they are).
25% of Americans call themselves liberal, as opposed to 40% calling themselves conservative and 35% moderate.
If you crosstab people's ideological and partisan self-identification, it breaks down to this:
Liberal Dems: 11%
Moderate Dems: 13%
Conservative Dems: 8%
Liberal Indies: 5%
Moderate Indies: 14%
Conservative Indies: 13%
Liberal GOP: 1%
Moderate GOP: 8%
Conservative GOP: 28%
(Note that partisan self-identification is different from partisan registration, and generally higher.)
Self-identified conservative Republicans are the largest bloc in the country, representing nearly a third of the population.
The biggest ideological group among Democrats are the moderates. If liberal Democrats were to increase their numbers to, roughly, where the moderate independents are, the party wouldn't feel as obligated to chase those moderate independents to make up for the huge bloc represented by conservative Republicans (and to a large extent there's a one-for-one trade-off here: policies and rhetoric that moderate independents like repel liberal Democrats, and policies and rhetoric that liberal Democrats like repel moderate indies; obviously it's not exactly zero sum, but it's surprisingly close to it at times).
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Conservative GOP is already going Trump. So she can either be a putz, tact right, and pick up a possible 22% of available conservatives or pick up 30% of liberal dems and most indies.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and you're starting with a clean slate.
Here's where she stands on the issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)is dependent on who controls each House of Congress and who is on the Supreme Court. Obama's policy agenda has been largely stymied by John Boehner/Paul Ryan & Mitch McConnell along with John Roberts, Antonin Scalia (RIP), Clarence Thomas, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito.
Joe the Revelator
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WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)not Trump, and I'm giving Hillary the chance to prove she's worth my vote.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)and I think it is best for you and the Democratic party to part ways. I just don't think we are on the same path. I wish you luck in your new endeavors!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)But you laid it at everyone's feet and you got my opinion. It was fair.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)At all. Just thought it was funny. Cheers.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Sometimes it's just better to follow your heart. Good luck
LexVegas
(6,063 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)What'll happen is a five minute Tinder-arranged pump and dump that will inevitably leave you feeling completely dissatisfied.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Do I even want to know what that means?