Democrats Ran No Negative Ads In Primary

[wyldwolf]

Bloomberg: “According to Kantar Media, Clinton and Sanders aired 206,528 spots between them this year—and not one was deemed “negative” by the analysts in Kantar’s Campaign Media Analysis Group.”

Said Kantar exec Elizabeth Wilner: “In an open presidential primary, this is probably unprecedented.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-09/businessweek-campaign-ads

[ucrdem]

1. They either have a strict defintion of Democrat or a strange definition of negative

because this ad which helped Bernie win MI strikes me as negative in the extreme, also misleading:

What isn't said explicitly but strongly implied is that a) NAFTA sent the auto industry offshore and cost US jobs and b) Hillary signed NAFTA. Neither of which is actually true.

[virtualobserver]

2. the ad does not mention Hillary

[ucrdem]

3. Okay but that's a pretty hollow definition of negative.

I'd call it a Hillary bash. YMMV.

[virtualobserver]

7. You can't bash someone you don't mention....

If I say that I'm against cheating on my wife, am I attacking Bill Clinton?

[ucrdem]

10. Let's see if this makes my point a little clearer:

If you are running against Bill Clinton, and you run an ad proclaiming your marital fidelity featuring bitter interns complaining about how their lives were wrecked by their philandering bosses, we could say that that's not a negative ad because it doesn't actually mention Bill by name. But in my view that's a negative ad.

[virtualobserver]

12. the only negative is what people know in their hearts

the ad itself isn't negative

[Scootaloo]

4. Neither of your claims are supported by the video.

Just thought you might like to know.

[ucrdem]

6. Okay it has NOTHING to do with NAFTA, Bill Clinton, or Hillary.

Nothing in the world.

[Scootaloo]

9. It talks about NAFTA.

Also talks about TPP and special trade status with China. And all three have, in fact, cost American jobs (Well, the TPP will). Including jobs in Michigan, along with all 49 other states.

Nowhere in the ad though, does it say the auto industry was shipped overseas. Nowhere in the ad is Hillary blamed, much less accused of signing these pieces of legislation.

You want to hate Bernie so bad that it's making you hallucinate.

[ucrdem]

11. I disagree with your analysis and I strongly disagree with Bernie's.

NAFTA didn't cause offshoring but it did impose some measure of regulation on factories set up in Canada and Mexico. And Asia it didn't even touch. In any case unemployment declined every year Bill was in office including the years following his signing NAFTA in late 1993:

[Scootaloo]

13. And James Inhofe disagrees with climatology. Disagreeing with reality does not change reality

The video does not say what you claimed it says. Whether you disagree with that fact or not doesn't change anything.

[ucrdem]

16. The subject here is NAFTA, not climate change. nt

[Scootaloo]

18. The subject here is the lies you told about a Bernie campaign ad

Which does not say what you really desperately wish it had said.

Sorry buddy. You fibbed.

As for NAFTA, and hte other trade deals, maybe you ought to read some Naomi Klein.

[ucrdem]

23. I posted my analysis of an ad. You went straight for the personal attack.

Nice job.

[Scootaloo]

26. Pointing out that what you said wasn't true isn't a "personal attack"

You do not have a special right to spread nonsense. Sorry.

[ucrdem]

31. Fine, please list the "lies you told" since that's the phrase you just used.

[Scootaloo]

36. Kay

• You claim the Bernie ad is an attack ad
• You claim it argues that auto jobs were lost overseas. It doesn't
• You claim it blames Hillary Clinton for that. It doesn't.
• You try to throw Bill in there later. it also doesn't mention Bill Clinton.

[ucrdem]

37. Not one of those is accurately quoted. No surprise there. nt

[LanternWaste]

24. I don't think a simple inference, whether accurate or not, can be considered a lie.

"The subject here is the lies you told about a Bernie campaign ad..."

I don't think a simple inference, whether accurate or not, can be considered a lie, regardless of what we suggest others read.

[ucrdem]

34. Thank you. nt

[Scootaloo]

35. When utilized to push a narrative and convince others of something, it becomes one

It makes hte leap from "factually wrong opinion" to "intentional effort to mislead others."

[ucrdem]

15. The ad says trade deals ship jobs overseas.

That's an appealing slogan, but the auto jobs were already going overseas, mostly to Asia. NAFTA had nothing to do with Asia.

[Scootaloo]

22. You just said they weren't going overseas. The ad also mentions other trade deals

Did you actually watch it before making shit up about it?

Hillary still isn't mentioned.

How about you ride your gish gallop somewhere else

[ucrdem]

25. How about you direct your attention to what I posted and not me eh?

[Scootaloo]

27. That's where it's directed. What you posted simply ain't so.

And your other posts are mostly diversionary attempts to evade addressing that - a gish gallop, look it up.

[ucrdem]

29. What exactly isn't so?

[Scootaloo]

30. Exactly what I said in post #4

[ucrdem]

32. Your own statements aren't true?

Well for once we agree.

[Skinner]

5. It doesn't attack Hillary Clinton.

It attacks Nafta and other trade deals, which is both legitimate and necessary in order to illustrate where Bernie Sanders stands on the issue.

The traditional definition of a negative ad is one that tears down one's opponent. This ad does not do that.

[ucrdem]

8. Okay not gonna argue!

[thesquanderer]

38. Here's an actual negative ad that was run during this campaign

It names (and shows) Bernie and it misrepresents his position (he was not against saving the auto industry). The purpose of the ad is to knock him down.

The ad you posted was not an attack ad. In that entire ad, there were only three words that were not about Bernie: "While others waffle." That's a vicious attack? And the fact is, Hillary *did* waffle on TPP. Unlike Clinton's attack ad, it never shows his opponent, mentions her by name, or misrepresents her position. It is a positive ad about Bernie, not a negative ad about Hillary.

[Cheese Sandwich]

14. Hillary's super PAC ran these ads against Bernie in Nevada

[TCJ70]

17. That's how she gets around it...she never says anything.

She gets her friends to do it and she shares none of the blame.

[onehandle]

21. Another lie. It's not 'Hillary's super PAC.'

'Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.'

THE END IS NIGH!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10136548

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. LOL

Hillary Clinton and Correct the Record super-PAC

One of the more innovative examples of a super-PAC navigating the Federal Election Commission (FEC) coordination rules is the pro-Clinton rapid response and opposition research group Correct the Record. The New York Times broke a story in May that Correct the Record, which was started by Clinton ally David Brock, was refashioning itself as a “stand-alone super-PAC that has the ability to coordinate with [Clinton’s] campaign.”

Correct the Record publishes opposition research and strategy on the Internet to defend Clinton and attack her opponents.

It was initially reported that Correct the Record was using an “Internet exemption” in campaign law that allowed that “free” content posted online would not be counted as coordinated campaign expenditures. But The Washington Post later reported that Correct the Record officials said they were not relying on the individual Internet exemption but instead “a related exemption in the definition of coordinated communications.”

Asked to clarify the competing versions in the Times and the Post, the communications director for Correct the Record, Adrienne Watson, told The Hill “The FEC’s Office of General Counsel has repeatedly concluded that Internet activity that does not fit the FEC definition of a ‘public communication’ may be coordinated with a campaign — including activity paid for by a super-PAC.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/252493-pacs-creative-rule-bending

[RogueTrooper]

19. In truth this was a pretty calm primary campaign for the Democrats

It may have been a bit nasty round the sides and bit frought at the end but it was pretty calm for the most part.

[Orsino]

33. Trust DU to find anything that smells like poop, and to roll in it.

While ignoring actual poop.

[leftofcool]

20. I think this is remarkable and speaks well of both candidates.