How Bernie will win California (CRUCIAL INFO), please please read:

[J_J_]

I made a post earlier about how 950,000 ballots still have to be counted in just 3 CA counties ALONE (there are 58 CA counties total), and similarly the LA times has estimated as many as 3 million ballots still haven't been counted We also know that CA will officially count all provisional ballots as long as they can verify voters were properly registered. Additionally, the absentee exit polls had Hillary up 10 points (55, 45), and The Guardian currently has the race at 55.8% Hillary, 43.2% Bernie. Given that so many ballots have yet to be counted my guess is (and I could be wrong on this), that the current results reflect more absentee ballots (which always favor Clinton) than the ballots cast yesterday. So, what does this mean?



As long as Bernie stays in the race until the convention (which he's vowed to do), CA is required to count the remaining ballots. And this is where YOU come in. If people keep checking their ballot status periodically and/or call 562-201-8999 to inquire about/track their votes, and demand their ballots be counted, then we stand at a higher likelihood of this process running smoothly and honestly. His numbers can only go up from here so let's do this! #StillSanders #AlwaysSanders #OnlySanders



EDIT: So far we know of 1,592,499 ballots to be counted in 10 counties: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n76ts/thread_to_post_links_to_articlestweetsetc/



EDIT 2: From /u/jinianc — "We need as many Bernie volunteers as possible to be present as observers to verify and watch the ballot counting process. Every Bernie vote needs to be certified. If anyone has any time at all, it is an open process. This is your chance to be a part of the final and most crucial part of Bernie's campaign! If you're able to help out, please respond ASAP. Every day that goes by is a counting day." Information on how to get involved.



EDIT 3: Just to make things even more interesting, the lawsuit that alleges Clinton has been used for electoral fraud and has FBI backing will be filed today. " target="_blank">Source.


From /u/DJ_Lena — "trustvote.org RICO lawsuit filed on 6/6 in Ohio. The lawsuit is going to demand that all of the exit polls, 24 exit polls showing the fraud, now be published, that the MEDIA stop suppressing the evidence of crime. And they plan to prove the Election Fraud, that the media is covering up. They say FBI and DOJ are involved. And Ohio has the most stringent RICO law and it can be opened to ALL states"



https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n8u0t/how_bernie_will_win_california_crucial_info/

[geek tragedy]

1. This is just sad to watch. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. ...

[SidDithers]

10. The dream dies hard...nt

Sid

[geek tragedy]

21. if you're the only person on planet earth who sees this,

maybe the rest of humanity is not the problem

[Voice for Peace]

30. nope.. others see it too.

[brush]

45. Sad to see so-called progressives carry water for repugs . . .

by digesting repug talking points hook, line and sinker, then regurgitating them over and over and over.

How about talking up Vince Forster's "murder", Whitewater and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, too while you're at it?

All of those proved to be ginned up repug non-scandals as well.

And btw, there will be no indictment. Obama's DOJ will not be bringing charges on the person he just endorsed for president of the United States (FYI: The FBI doesn't indict).

So spit out the sour grapes and loosen that grip on the prayer beads.

[Voice for Peace]

46. thanks for the advice

[liberal from boston]

89. Senator Sanders

IMHO, Media is part of the problem--why would AP report Hillary was the presumptive Democratic Presidential Nominee the night before California's Primary--the state w/ most delegates?? Super Delegates not counted til Convention. It was voter suppression.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/the_associated_press_clinton_victory_story_20160609

[Voice for Peace]

91. yah, and hard to know what's what.

We know there is cheating, lying, and severe propaganda. Many believe it is collusion, others believe it is delusion, some think it is the Media, some the Republicans, some the Third Way, and some think Obama did it.

Bernie's speech today was so beautiful, hopeful all around excellent.
We don't go backwards.

[840high]

64. Not the only person who

sees this.

[MariaThinks]

76. very sad

[brush]

3. Come on, it's over. Drop the mouse and move slowly away from the computer.

And btw, she got the required delegates in Jersey before California even finished voting.

Winning California was just icing on the cake.

[larkrake]

28. fraud is fraud

[WhiteTara]

78. I know. Any win that is not Bernie's

is fraud. We've got it.

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. I have never seen denial on such an epic scale.

[reformist2]

24. It is sad how few Dems can see the fraud all around them. The party is corrupt.

[randome]

39. Do you see ghosts, too?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Ned_Devine]

51. This past year has been truly eye opening

[840high]

65. Yes it is.

[itsrobert]

5. Nonsense

Hillary beat Bernie.

[DCBob]

6. WTF?

[Lord Magus]

7. I'm pretty sure they're required to count every ballot regardless.

Those remaining ballots are not going to be swinging the state to Sanders, and that nonsense lawsuit most certainly doesn't have "FBI backing."

[still_one]

29. They are, and they WILL count every ballot, including provisional ones. While Hillary's lead may

narrow, it is highly unlikely this will swing the state toward Sanders.

The most important thing is the final results in California will not change the fact Hillary is the nominee because she won the most primaries, and won the most pledged delegates

It is really getting pathetic this conspiracy nonsense

[George II]

32. Actually it was announced earlier today that Clinton's lead has grown significantly.

[still_one]

35. I used the word "may" George, I didn't say it would, and of course what some seem to be

missing is that those provisional and vote by mail ballots that weren't finished counting on the 7th, aren't all Sanders votes. There are Hillary votes, republican votes, and other registered party votes.

I really can't believe the junk getting posted here.

[George II]

36. The mail in ballots were running roughly 70-30 in favor of Clinton.

[still_one]

37. That I do know, and I was one of them

[Recursion]

50. I don't think any state counts all the ballots unless it's close

Most don't even open the absentees if they aren't enough to change the outcome

[JonLeibowitz]

56. But here the absentees are, what, 2/3 of the vote? Usually it's a small proportion.

You can't stop counting when the outstanding votes exceeds the margin. That's nuts.

(I don't expect the outcome to change, however)

[still_one]

57. you are wrong about California. I have voted here for a very long time, and ALL ballots are counted

including provisionals, no matter what the margin:

Q: Are vote-by-mail and provisional ballots always counted – even in "landslide" elections?
A: Yes, every valid ballot returned to county elections officials by 8:00 p.m. on election day is counted in every election, regardless of the ballot type or the margin in any particular contest.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2014-news-releases-and-advisories/db14-090/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-status/

Greg Palast's bullshit that the majority of provisional ballots will be discarded in California is a LIE:

All provisional ballots will be processed; those validated will be counted. Historically, 85-90% are determined valid.
(Dean Logan- Registrar-Recorder/CountyClerk) Los Angeles County

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

[sweetloukillbot]

60. But, but, but that's not what Greg Palast said!!! nt

[still_one]

61. Actually he did

From Snopes:

"SA Daily Politics cited a blog post by investigative journalist Greg Palast to support its claim that a majority of provisional ballots were discarded. However, that claim was addressed and largely DEBUNKED the next day, when Dean Logan of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk addressed fears of uncounted provisional ballots on Twitter and stated that most would probably be deemed valid and added to totals:

All provisional ballots will be processed; those validated will be counted. Historically, 85-90% are determined valid.
(Dean Logan- Registrar-Recorder/CountyClerk) Los Angeles County

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

[sweetloukillbot]

62. Forgot the sarcasm

I was referring to Palast widely being cited as an "expert" on voter fraud when he puts out tripe about provisional ballots being discarded.

[still_one]

63. sorry, I just don't know anymore around here. Thanks

[LiberalFighter]

41. I hope they do. I don't like uncounted ballots that should be counted not included.

I prefer data that is complete to ensure proper comparisons.

[still_one]

58. California counts all ballots, including provisional no matter what the margin

Q: Are vote-by-mail and provisional ballots always counted – even in "landslide" elections?
A: Yes, every valid ballot returned to county elections officials by 8:00 p.m. on election day is counted in every election, regardless of the ballot type or the margin in any particular contest.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2014-news-releases-and-advisories/db14-090/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-status/

They believe any BS that they read on social media, in study of actually getting the facts

[SidDithers]

8. Oh FFS...

Sid

[YouDig]

9. It's over. He's not going to win, he's not even going to lose. He already lost. Past tense.

[Sheepshank]

11. There are better ways to handle this nt

[bravenak]

12. Sigh

[NCTraveler]

13. Edit 64:

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[brooklynite]

14. Six days to go...

[NurseJackie]

15. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[Renew Deal]

16. There aren't enough ballots for Bernie to win CA 90-10.

[eastwestdem]

34. That's just because the ballots are part of the conspiracy. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. Oh brother

[demwing]

84. Democracy is so inconvenient, right?

[LexVegas]

18. Sweet Jesus. nt

[brooklynite]

19. Can you point us to where the Sanders Campaign has questioned the outcome?

[Starry Messenger]

22. You do you.

[brooklynite]

23. In that case, let me congratulate the Bernie supporters for their victory

[gollygee]

25. 1. Build a time machine . . .

Sorry, but no.

[apcalc]

26. OK I'm game....

I'll bet money that when all the possible ballots are counted and the election is certified by the state of California, Hillary will be the winner....and NOT because it was "rigged"...

...wanna bet?

[snot]

27. If " target="_blank">Source. is supposed to be a link, it's not working.

Thanks.

[Mz Pip]

31. Did you have a problem when

the 2008 election was called for Obama exactly at 8pm PST well before many of the ballots were counted?

This is so much like Karl Rove in 2012 with his complaint about Ohio being called before all the counties had been counted.

It's statistically impossible for all of those outstanding ballots to be for Sanders. They will all be counted, though. Every last one of them.

[bigwillq]

33. I highly doubt Bernie will win Cali

And I highly doubt he will be the nominee.

Bernie fought the good fight, but Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. Bernie will concede at some point and he will endorse Hillary and work to prevent Donald Trump from being president.

[Demsrule86]

38. He could win California and still would not be the nominee...he lost. nt

[Tarc]

40. /popcorn

Are there really...like, really really...people who still think Sanders will be the nominee?

[MineralMan]

42. Deep end...off it you are.

Sorry. It's over. Time to move on to problems for November elections.

[XRubicon]

43. ...ahhh... first normalize the data... then ahhhh carry the one.... and ehhhh then ahhhh

Count every third person who lives at an odd numbered house...

There it is! He won!

[Florencenj2point0]

44. I see dead people

some of them don't know they are dead....

<a href=".html" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt=" photo giphy_zpsgq1tuaeg.gif"/></a>

[AzDar]

47. If you gotta cheat to win... you DIDN'T.

[Generic Brad]

48. And if you have to pretend to win...you DIDN'T

[kadaholo]

73. And if you had to announce you won before you did...

you DIDN'T!

[Waiting For Everyman]

49. I always measure how worried people are

about something by how many posts there are denying it.

[Ned_Devine]

54. Good point

I usually measure it by the gif they use or the number of rolling smiley faces that are included in their responses

[840high]

66. yep

[chillfactor]

52. it will not help Bernie.....

it is a dream that Bernie can pull out California....

[RandySF]

53. This is not healthy.

[okieinpain]

55. Snopes - cali ballot counting

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

[RandySF]

59. .

[Deny and Shred]

67. Who does Bernie think he is?

Counting all the votes ?? That's so ... democratic.

[Hekate]

86. What does California think it is? We count all the votes here.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-one-week-later-almost-2-million-1465952696-htmlstory.html

[SidDithers]

68. Bookmarking to keep kicked...nt

Sid

[randome]

70. You bastard.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[SidDithers]

71. Weekend kick...nt

Sid

[Retrograde]

72. Californai is required to continue counting ballots

even if Sanders does drop out this weekend because 1) it's the law, 2) there were 5 other presidential primaries last Tuesday, and 3) there are a number of other state and local issues on the ballot.

[SidDithers]

74. Kick..nt

Sid

[SidDithers]

75. Kick...nt

Sid

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. There are close contests that have not been decided, (None of them being Clinton v. Sanders)

Close Contests
For instance: U.S. House of Representatives District 8 has a close count for second place. (In California, the top two will run in the general election. Rita Ramirez (DEM) has a slight lead over Tim Donnelly (REP). IF Donnelly wins, it will be a race between two Republicans, so I am hoping that Ramirez will hold on to her 868 vote lead. Paul Cook (REP) ran away with the number 1 spot.

NO: REP DOES NOT STAND FOR REPTILE. REP IS A CALIFORNIA ABBREVIATION FOR REPULSIVE

U.S. House of Representatives District 12 has a close run for second place between a REP, a GRN, and A NPP. Nancy Pelosi is leading with 78.2 % of the vote, but second place still counts.

U.S. House of Representatives District 29 had 5 Democrats and no Republicans running for the seat. I am glad to say that seat is safe, no matter who wins it.

The voting goes on because every vote counts. A few races have yet to be decided.

[ucrdem]

79. "And this is where YOU come in." Right, call your registrar and get huffy RIGHT NOW.

That will really speed things up.

[NCTraveler]

80. Really sad to watch. nt.

[Faux pas]

81. K N R-ed

What is this link to? target="_blank">Source It doesn't work, thanks!

[nenagh]

82. Thank you J_J_,

I'm rarely here...but pleased to have read your OP...

[BobbyDrake]

83. How can Clinton be "under FBI investigation" but also working with them to steal CA?

Do you not even stop to notice the cognitive dissonance?

[Hekate]

85. My state is still counting paper ballots and Hillary still has an 11+ point lead

Go read the Los Angeles Times, this brief article explains our system. They're being thorough, and there is a paper trail.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-one-week-later-almost-2-million-1465952696-htmlstory.html

Clinton 55.2%
Sanders 43.9%
All other 5 candidates make up the rest %

QUOTE: The latest results haven't changed any of the statewide races. In the closely watched Democratic presidential primary, Hillary Clinton's lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders stands at more than 11 percentage points. That's largely the same gap that existed between Clinton and Sanders on election night.

[zonkers]

87. FYI, if you check via the internet in to see if your ballot was received, some county websites may

not be updated. I know that my county (San Bernadino) will not be updated till July 9th. When I checked, my ballot had not been received. I will check back then.

[RogerM]

88. Jeez

This is becoming a wingnut site

[NorthCarolina]

90. Elections are not decided on the basis of how people voted, they are decided

by those who count the votes.

[SidDithers]

92. Kick...

'cause the OP thinks that flipping Berkeley is significant.

Sid

[randome]

93. Forget this. I want to hear how the Clinton server issue is EXACTLY LIKE WATERGATE again!

[SidDithers]

94. Kick...nt

Sid

[SidDithers]

95. Kicking in light of the most recent California update...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512228347

Sid