Hey HRC supporters--why the continued attacks on Bernie? Party unity?

[panader0]

If you are so happy about HRC's presumptive nomination, why bother yourselves to
continue bashing Bernie? It isn't helping unity--it's more like PUMA.
Let the man continue to represent the millions (who you are driving away) that voted for him.

[Blue_Adept]

1. The small vocal minority on both sides continue the fight

Easier to just put them on ignore. They're statistical noise in the end. why elevate their importance?

[corkhead]

37. I usually set them free after the primaries, but I am not so sure this year.

[Blue_Adept]

42. Personally, I'd wait until after the 4th of July. Write off June entirely.

[corkhead]

48. Something I learned from previous experience is once the primaries end

most of them disappear until the next contested election cycle, only to obnoxiously reappear. Just like cicadas, only louder.

[Bongo Prophet]

135. They rest underground for a cycle, the come out in swarms = "shitcadas"

And if you engage with them, it will drain your intelligence, empathy and patience - often infecting people who then go on to perpetuate the cycle...

[villager]

2. What else do they know how to do? What other gear do they have?

It would appear they are in "stuck" mode....

[panader0]

11. They should be praising their glorious leader.

Listing all of her great accomplishments and plans for the future.
But no.....

[zappaman]

62. "Glorious leader"?

[Proud Public Servant]

3. I don't think anyone minds Bernie representing his people

But he's bashing Hillary (who has won; it's over) and dividing the party to do it. If he wants to advocate progressive principles without personal attacks (as he did at the start of his campaign) or join in the fight against Trump, he'd be welcome with open arms. But right now he's doing no one any good, including his supporters.

And I say that as a Bernie supporter.

[panader0]

8. He's playing his hand the best way he knows how.

He'll try to use whatever leverage he can to get concessions in the platform.
I think he should stay until the final vote at the convention.

[yardwork]

20. In that case he can't be surprised by reaction.

I'm not interested in bashing anybody or gloating. I am very sincere about that.

Bernie asked to meet with President Obama and then his campaign aides hit out at Obama today, saying that Bernie doesn't have to answer to Obama. I'm sorry, that's just disrespectful and unhelpful to beating Trump. I'll say so.

I got another email from Bernie yesterday saying he's "taking it to the convention because Hillary is (synonyms for The Great She-Satan) and send money!!!" That is not garnering my respect.

How can I be a gracious winner when Bernie won't quit? He can't have it both ways.

[merrily]

85. I don't know who sent you that. This is Bernie's 6/8 email. I don't see Hillary's name at all.

Bernie Sanders
6/08/16
To: merrily
[e-mail]
Bernie Sanders for President

merrily,

When we began this campaign a little over a year ago we were considered to be a fringe campaign. But over the last year, I think that has changed just a little bit.

As of last night, we have won 22 state primaries and caucuses with more than 11 million votes.

What we understand, and what every one of us has always understood, is that real change never occurs from the top on down, always from the bottom on up.

That is the history of America. Our fight is to transform our country and to understand that we are in this together. That is what OUR movement is about.

The struggle continues. We are going to fight for every vote in Tuesday's primary in Washington, DC, and then we will bring our political revolution to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.

Say that you will continue to fight for the progressive future our country needs by adding a $--- contribution to our campaign today.

I am pretty good at arithmetic, and I know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight, but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate we can get.

But you know that what we are doing is about more than Bernie Sanders. It is all of us together. It is what this movement is about. It is millions of people from coast to coast standing up and looking around them and knowing that we can do much, much better as a nation.

That whether Wall Street likes it, whether corporate America likes it, whether wealthy campaign contributors like it, whether the corporate media likes it, we together know what our job is. And that is to bring the American people together to create a government that works for us, not the 1 percent.

Our fight is to transform our country and to understand that we are in this together. To understand that all of what we believe is what the majority of the American people believe. And to understand that the struggle continues.

Adding a $--- contribution now will show that you want to see our fight for a progressive future continue all the way to the Democratic convention. Make one now.

Thank you all. The struggle continues.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

[yardwork]

90. You're right, this time he didn't attack Hillary by name, as he often has before.

But why is he asking for money? Why is he taking the fight to the convention? It makes no sense to me other than that he's still attacking Hillary. How else is it to be read?

[ljm2002]

104. So you admit he did not attack Hillary...

...and yet you lied about what THIS email said:

I got another email from Bernie yesterday saying he's "taking it to the convention because Hillary is (synonyms for The Great She-Satan) and send money!!!"

So then you move the goalposts to "why is he asking for money?" -- what the hell do you care, you won't be sending him any of your precious money. The rest of us can do what we please.

[yardwork]

105. The implication of his email is certainly that Hillary is (insert terrible synonym of your choice).

Why else would he want money to take the fight to the convention?

[yardwork]

114. Wow. You are calling me a liar?

We disagree about the meaning of Bernie's email to me, but the difference is that I'm not calling you a liar. You know, it's ok to disagree. It's not necessary to call people liars.

And stop shouting at me.

[RazBerryBeret]

128. IF you paid attention

he has ALWAYS said he would take it all the way to the convention. even in the beginning when he was 60 points behind. Not sure why people have trouble understanding this. He is a man of conviction, and he's following through with what he said he would do.

[merrily]

141. I receive his emails and read most of them. I've seen zero that fit your description in

Reply 20.

Taking the fight to the convention is a legitimate part of the political process, not calling Hillary a synonym for a she satan as your Reply 20 claims. You could also claim that the mere fact he challenged her was an attack on her. I don't see that kind of claim as reasonable or accurate. I certainly never saw the kind of name calling you claim. If you have such an email, please post it. I would be very interested.

[notadmblnd]

130. You should post the email of Sander's calling Clinton Satan.

Cause I don't think you have one.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Except he's not bashing her and when in the same scenario in 08, Hillary took four days to

announce her endorsement of Obama after the last primary day. I don't care for double standards. She got four days, her boosters should give him four. They could fill their time during those days reading up on the truth about Ronald Reagan and AIDS, as their candidate has given them toxic and incorrect information.

[hollysmom]

13. OK,Ihave been sick but Idon't see the bashing of Hillary. Criticizing someone on their stance is

not bashing, then he does not have the help of David Brock and the NYT editorial board that really know about bashing

[Proud Public Servant]

15. Fine, call it criticizing

And it was totally appropriate in the race. But the race is over; he lost. At this juncture, such criticism is counterproductive.

[hollysmom]

18. excuse me - are you supposed to just pretend taht you don't care about people anymore because the

what terrible thing did he say? I have been sick and seemed to have missed it.

[Proud Public Servant]

25. Bernie showed that eh cared about people

over and over, at the beginning of the campaign, without every referencing Hillary. Mind you, everything he's said about Hillary recently is true (except for the ludicrous "not qualified" comment); I'm not disputing that. It's just that it serves no purpose, and is actually counterproductive, to stay on that message when the race is over. And it is over.

[panader0]

41. HRC made the "not qualified" comment before Bernie.

[stillwaiting]

72. Why do so many seem to not get that?

The media spun it furiously and only highlighted Bernie's response, but a corrupt media is gonna behave like a corrupt media.

[grasswire]

53. But Bernie owes Hillary nothing.

He forged a coalition of independents and progressives that outnumber the Third Way Democrats. He doesn't need her for anything. But she desperately needs his supporters, despite the fact that she has insulted them and pushed them away.

Too bad. She can find her own coalition to beat Trump.

[Proud Public Servant]

61. Please explain

How a wounded Dem party that loses to Trump and fails to take back the Senate helps the people Bernie wants to help. Explain to me how Bernie's newly-found pariah status in the Senate, where no one would continue to work with him, would help the people Bernie wants to help. That's what I want to understand. It's not about helping Hillary; it's about advancing his own agenda, which he will be entirely unavle to do without Dem Establishment cooperation.

[grasswire]

66. you aren't getting it at all

Bernie has built a coalition of independents and progressives that out numbers the Third Way Democrats. This coalition is the most energized, most vibrant movement seen in this country for decades. He doesn't need the Senate. He doesn't need the DNC. He changed the face of American politics by grassroots funding without any money from lobbyists or corporations or billionaires. He brought issues to the national conversation that have not been raised previously -- issues that will transform the American electorate going forward.

He is in the catbird seat. She needs him. He doesn't need her for zilch.

And I am sure that Hillary can forge her own coalition to beat Trump.

We did our duty. We voted for the stronger candidate.

[Proud Public Servant]

95. Actually, I don't think you get it

Bernie has assembled a coalition, yes. Now what? He has no apparatus (he only got as far as he has because the Democratic Party loaned him theirs) and few allies with any actual power. What's his next move? The hostile takeover of the Democratic Party has failed. Does he try again in four years, at age 78? Does he begin assembling a party apparatus of his own (news flash: the kids will follow, but many of his voters won't, nor will any Dem elected officials)? Does he take it to the streets (because that's always super-effective)? If Bernie wants to get shit done, he needs the Dem Party that has already defeated him. Of course, if he doesn't want to get shit done, that's his choice -- but he deserves no respect for it.

[grasswire]

97. I think maybe you oughta take a tour of social media today

Spend a couple of hours on facebook and twitter.

What you describe is the politics of the past. It's done. There will not be another "establishment" election.

When the people come together and say enough is enough, there is nothing we can't accomplish.

The only way to stop the new wave is to repress it with force. Is that what you want?

[Proud Public Servant]

99. Wake me when Facebook posts create actual change

[grasswire]

107. and that remark is why politics will never be the same again

Demographics + technology.

Those who resist progress toward social democracy will simply diminish in number and power.

Isn't it very weird that the election of 2016 features nothing but fossils as candidates, while the fervor to vote is mostly represented by those under 40?

That won't happen again. TPTB will be taken down.

[Proud Public Servant]

118. Yep, just read about that

http://www.theonion.com/article/id-you-post-long-aggressive-rants-social-media-say-53070

[leftynyc]

70. If your fantasy

that his supporters outnumber hers, he wouldn't have lost the nomination fight. More math.

[grasswire]

76. apples and oranges nt

[leftynyc]

78. Uh - no

No, it's not. How can you make the claim his supporters outnumber hers? Using what barometer? Rallies?

[grasswire]

81. You are stuck in the 90s.

The face of American elections has changed this year.

[leftynyc]

84. I asked you a simple question

What barometer are you using to back up your (ridiculous) claim that his supporters outnumber hers? You said it - back it up. WTF does social media have to do with anything? He has more twitterers? Because everyone knows that no republicans would EVER follow a Democrat, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Unity...with commies? They don't want that.

Now I better get off my duff and start research into that mass incarceration story.

[NCTraveler]

5. Who is the commie?

That is how republicans often refer to Clinton.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Any sanders supporter. Or did you miss tje red baiting?

There was one just this morning.

[NCTraveler]

14. He isn't a commie and have called out red baiting during this process.

As a Clinton supporter we have been hit by the red baiting tactic for decades.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. You asked, I answered

I am withdrawing from this discussion with you


And the unity is going fantastic

[NCTraveler]

26. The unity is going very well.

Many major public figures in Sanders corner are coming out for Clinton. People on this board who were extremely far in Sanders corner, never saying one positive thing about Clinton, are now saying they will vote for her.

"You asked, I answered"

That doesn't mean you were correct.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. That people called Sanders a commmie even this moring

yes that happened, '

Have a nice day

[NCTraveler]

35. I'm sorry they did such a thing.

It wasn't done by this "HRC supporter".

Nor is it done by most "HRC supporters".

Republicans have been doing it to the Clintons for decades.

Did you see the speech Sanders just gave? Unity!!!!!

You have a nice day as well.

[mmonk]

6. They are just following the lead of some party leaders,

their stink tanks, and media. While the rank and file Democratic Party voter fears Trump, the leadership fears Sanders. No more gravy train.

[NCTraveler]

7. I don't see what I am doing as attacking Sanders.

A bit here and a bit there but very little.

Then again, you are talking about "HRC supporters" in a manner to define them as a whole. That in itself is a fools game.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Why attack at all? When you keep landing punches afer the fight is won, that's just bashing.

And it looks exceedingly ugly. What is the gain, and who gets that gain? It does not help Hillary, who is the nominee and now needs Sanders voters on her side. It does not help the Party, which wants to elect their nominee. It does not help DU, and the admins have a cure in the wings for that.

[NCTraveler]

21. As I said, I don't thik I really have been.

Not to the extent Clinton is being savaged, that's for sure.

"and the admins have a cure in the wings for that. "

I'm very excited about the new changes.

Here is one of my most brutal attacks on Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512123864

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Hint: as long as your principles are in part based on what others are doing they are not really

your principles. What others do, that's about them. Their actions do not mitigate yours. Nor mine. Fact is Hillary supporters went full tilt slur slinging antisemitic on a few occasions. That is not a valid excuse for Sanders supporters to return equal or lesser attacks based on sexism.
But at some point, your cohort has to deal with the fact that neither side has been perfect and your team did in fact feature 'Crusty old Jew' posts and many that said 'I hate Bernie'. I sure don't hate Hilary. Lots of her supporters have openly said they hate Bernie and a few have said they hate his minority group as well.
Those people are not you. But they are real and they identify as 'Hillary supporters' when they say those things. So 'to the extent that Clinton has been savaged'? Crusty old Jew who is into gang rape and is in it for the money is a hard metric to match. And that's what's been delivered to Senator Sanders by a cohort on DU that is now actively seeking to primary him.

So when you try to paint your side as super angelic, actual quotes like 'crusty old Jew' spring to mind and you seem to be trying to claim that did not happen.

Clinton ran a campaign that made me ill. Reagan an AIDS activist, she said. The lies about the photos, the lies about the chairs, it was not at all what I like to be a part of. Reagan was a monster and a villain.

[NCTraveler]

45. "So when you try to paint your side as super angelic"

What in the world are you talking about. I haven't done any such thing. I have absolutely trashed Clinton a number of times this primary season. I have called out multiple Clinton posters.

You aren't basing any of this on reality or me. Simply flinging poo.

" I sure don't hate Hilary. Lots of her supporters have openly said they hate Bernie and a few have said they hate his minority group as well. "

This is just really strange. Specially considering your previous "angelic" comment.

Lots of Sanders supporters haven't openly said they hate Clinton?

I called out Clinton for her comments on AIDS dozens of times. Literally. It was horrible.

You are really going overboard in your attempts to broad brush. So overboard that your words don't even represent reality.

We just cleared something up that should get us back on the right foot.

I don't hate Sanders and you don't hate Clinton. Well done. Lets move forward from that starting point and stop the broad brush crap.

[frazzled]

12. I guess the relevant question is

Sanders supporters: why the continued attacks on the presumptive nominee, Hillary Clinton? Do you want to aid the Trump campaign by attacking the Democratic nominee? Do you think it would be a great idea if she were to lose the general election?

Actually, the PUMA analogy is closer to those Sanders supporters who are attacking Clinton incessantly (and with false, irrelevant, or conspiratorial charges): PUMAs were clinging on to the DEFEATED candidate, railing against the winner, Barack Obama. Bernie is the loser this time. Hillary is the winner. When the losers keep ranting, they're the PUMAs.

At any rate, attack away. In a few days, it won't be permitted.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. I think the relevant question in the thread is the one the OP asked. Avoiding that question to

point finger is not a very convincing response. Particularly in the form 'unsupported assertions presented as tirade or sermon'.

[cynatnite]

16. It's time for both sides to stand down and unite to defeat Trump. n/t

[Ino]

22. Bill said one side is toast.

It's up to Hillary to butter that up and get 'er done. She's got all the votes and supers.

[pinebox]

40. I don't see that happening, not by a long shot.

[grasswire]

57. It's not up to Bernie or his supporters to beat Trump.

The responsibility is Hillary's.

We did our duty already. We voted for the stronger candidate to face Trump.

Hillary can build her coalition without guilting Bernie supporters. We have ZERO obligation to her. If Trump should win, that's on your team.

[bvf]

64. +1. n/t

[cynatnite]

75. No one said that it was on Bernie or his supporters to do that job...

The primaries are basically over with the exception of DC. Bernie did not win. He's already indicated that he will fight to defeat Trump himself. This is about uniting the party which Bernie and Hillary will both do together.

If you want to sit home because your choice lost, that is your right.

Regardless, Bernie will endorse Hillary in short order. That appears to be pretty likely at this point. It's up to the supporters on both sides to decide whether or not they want to work together to defeat Trump.

[grasswire]

79. you can't scare Bernie or his supporters with Trump

We already voted for the stronger candidate against him. We did our duty.

Now Hillary needs to build a coalition of her own. It's not seemly to ask a man to bail her out.

[cynatnite]

86. You think Hillary is asking a man to bail her out???

You obviously have hurt feelings that your guy lost and have every intention of sitting home and sulking about it. LOL

[grasswire]

87. well, no

I'm as active as ever, many hours every day. Working for the stronger candidate against Trump.

[cynatnite]

88. Well, your stronger candidate didn't win and will be supporting Hillary. n/t

[grasswire]

91. more's the pity if that happens

....as you will see, eventually.

[cynatnite]

92. You have until the 16th to get the sour grapes out of your system. Good luck with that. n/t

[grasswire]

93. well, no

You have no power over Bernie supporters. None. Every time a HRC supporter tries to bully Bernie or his supporters, you just grow their commitment against Third Way/DNC politics.

Hillary's campaign has done more for the independent/progressive coalition than you can even imagine.

We are Paul Wellstone acolytes. "Stand up! Keep fighting!"

[cynatnite]

96. Where on earth do you get that I'm bullying you?

My stating reality is in no way bullying. That's your perception and it's way off base. If you truly believe I am bullying you, then your definition of the word is questionable at best.

[grasswire]

102. Yeah, I do!

Every hammer in the Third Way DNC camp is whacking Bernie and his supporters today, pushing him to enable HRC.

Trying to shame him, attacking him, beating him up in every way, in order to get him to bail her out.

He built his coalition with grit and strength. She needs to build hers in the same way, not beg for his help.

[cynatnite]

106. Where are you seeing that she is asking for a man to bail her out?

Not counting how sexist that statement is, it's ludicrous.

You do realize that in '08 Obama needed Hillary supporters in order to help him win the WH when she lost. Was he asking for a woman to bail him out? Of course, not.

This is what uniting a party looks like when someone comes out ahead. It would be no different had Bernie won. He would need Hillary supporters and look to unite the party in order to win the WH.

[grasswire]

108. It's not sexist at all.

I'm affirming her ability and strength to garner the votes she needs, without seeking a bailout from those she has insulted.

[cynatnite]

111. She definitely garnered the votes and had the strength to beat your guy...

If Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, what makes you think he could beat Trump?

Sour grapes and sore loser makes for a terrible combination. Sad to see such bitterness.

[grasswire]

113. not the point

She can't beat Trump without Bernie, but he owes her nothing because we already voted for the stronger candidate against Trump. Measurable in every national poll. It's up to her to beat Trump now, having insulted and driven away Bernie's people.

You are confusing "bitterness" with resoluteness.

[Ino]

122. It's not strength...

when you have DWS limiting debates, when the media pretends your opponent doesn't exist, when your husband shuts down polling stations with a bullhorn and Secret Service for hours, when state party chairs cut the number of polling places in half, change people's registrations, etc. etc.

Every one of the voting anomalies favored her. Every. Single. One.

Her "win" is a hollow sham.

[cynatnite]

124. The majority of the voters favored her...

Every single person that chose her over Bernie has been derided. Every time the numbers came out in her favor, it was a lie or biased against Bernie. Every time the stars didn't exactly align in favor of Bernie, there was always something or someone else to blame.

The fact is that in elections there are winners and losers. Bernie lost. Even he is acknowledging that and isn't fighting it. That's because he knows he lost. He's doing a better job of dealing with it than some of his supporters who have Hillary derangement syndrome.

[Ino]

131. I'm talking about very real media/DNC bias & voter suppression...

and you reduce it to stars aligning? That's your answer?

OK. Just keep repeating "the majority favored her" no matter what.

Time to face the GOP smear machine and that pesky FBI investigation. Good luck with that.

[That Guy 888]

137. Clinton supporters have learned to be blind to the planned coronation.

It's her turn and we need to stop ruining it!

Just accept that being besties with the bush's, kissinger, and drumpf, means you're the real outsider.

Be confident as I am that the woman who once claimed that she could run as Senator of Punjab because she pushed for so many H1-B visas, will do her best to make sure that US college graduates get some of those jobs("best" should not be considered a guarantee of employment opportunities).

Be joyful that the TPP will pass as the "Gold Standard" of trade deals with more to follow.(just be courteous and don't try to follow where the gold goes).

As far as new wars go... well you shouldn't be so sexist. Women should be allowed to be just as sociopathic as men. We need to cheer her wars on just like we cheered on bush's wars(or maybe you just don't support the troops)

Now let's get with the program and show our support for Dear Leader.

[LonePirate]

23. Hey Benie supporters - why the continued attacks on Hillary? Party unity?

I have not noticed a cessation in attacks on Hillary from the Bernie supporters so it's a bit difficult to give any credence to the OP's complaints.

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. Um, exactly who needs who to win in November?

Refresh my memory.

[LonePirate]

44. Bad behavior - including blackmail - is not warranted from either side. Stop excusing it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

56. I am not excusing anything.

I am saying HRC will need EVERY bit of support she can muster, so quit alienating the very same people you will need at GE time.

[grasswire]

59. blackmail?

Oh, you mean when HRC campaign threatens Bernie supporters with Trump?

Is that what you mean?

[peace13]

98. Funniest thing about this..

....those two are equally frightening to me. My guess is that the R's will slip someone in that appears more sane than Don, and Hill will be in a world of hurt. Cry me a river when she needs a vote!

[grasswire]

103. that's a possibility...

..and thank you for standing strong.

Some day soon many Democrats will be glad that Bernie is still available.

But he owes her nothing.

[Marr]

133. I'm not afraid of either one.

Trump will face legislative obstruction that will make Obama's time in the White House seem like one party rule. Hillary won't spend six weeks in office before the Republicans are talking impeachment. Neither one is going to move an inch, except maybe to approve more bank bailouts.

[HooptieWagon]

49. Does Bernie need Clinton supporters votes in November?

[LonePirate]

54. So you're using blackmail to excuse bad behavior? Doubling down on the bad behavior, eh?

[HooptieWagon]

58. Strawman argument.

D-minus, only because you were able to correctly spell your name.

[Cobalt Violet]

89. welcome to du and my ignore list.

Never will I need to see another post of yours.

[Squinch]

134. Right? I'm noticing that this thread about attacks on BS is full of attacks on Hillary supporters.

With very little negative said about BS.

Seriously. There is nasty comment after nasty comment about Hillary supporters, and some posters trying to defend the Hillary side and NOT being nasty.

And they think that THEY are the victims. I think it's sincere!

Innnnnnteresting.

[azurnoir]

27. Because according to some stuff I've read here it seems some think Bernie's supporters are white

and it seems the Democratic party doesn't really need very many white votes anymore

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2163684

[VulgarPoet]

139. I honestly cannot count how many times this cycle's made me white.

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. She's the one that will need help to win the GE...

...so quit poisoning the well.

[jamese777]

63. If Bernie was the presumptive nominee

he would be the one needing Hillary's supporters in November. Its still primary season and until the convention, both sides are fair game. We can apply the antidote to the well after the convention.

[Buzz cook]

30. I've been in reconciliation mode for a while now

But it takes time to wind down.

[RufusTFirefly]

32. I have a friend who attends a fair number of local sports events...

Whenever the home team wins, instead of cheering for them, he berates the fans in the stands who were rooting for the visitors.

I've never understood that mind set, but this seems similar.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. And that is what this is.

The sport, the team, the politician are just props to provide set and setting and lexicon for the bullying of others. This fact is displayed on DU by the fact that so many, many posters who do the denigration and berating method have been both 'for Hillary' and 'against Hillary'. DU's leading Bernie Basher has written that they don't trust Bill or Hillary, never have and that they were raised that way by their parents who were right. But during the Bernie Bashing Season, that poster affected to love Hillary. Hillary just a device, a costume piece, used to cover the act of bashing. And it is the act of bashing that is their agenda. The candidates matter not to such persons.

[jamese777]

69. Poor Winners

Some people's personalities dictate that they are poor winners and sore losers. Some of us don't seem to be capable of being gracious in victory or gracious in defeat.
Party primaries are like a political boxing match. In real boxing, after two opponents have pummeled each other for ten or twelve rounds, they shake hands and even embrace when its over.

[RufusTFirefly]

71. Mebbe so...

Although fighting income inequality, protesting wars of aggression, decrying violations of the Constitution, and opposing corporate hegemony isn't a game.

[Peregrine Took]

33. Its weird. I wonder if they are Trump trolls come here to keep the hate going?

Just a thought but I was wondering the same thing. Why the nastiness - they "won."

[stillwaiting]

74. There were plenty of long term posters around here that I previously respected

that behaved very aggressively towards Bernie supporters.

Extremely personal attacks. I want nothing to do with these people going forward.

I was used to being treated this way by Republicans and conservatives. I guess Democratic conservatives can behave the exact same way. They are gross. Really gross.

[Sancho]

34. Why the continued attacks on future President Hillary Clinton? It's still on both sides.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512164516

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2148818

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512163559

[coyote]

36. It's self hate

They realize that they are not as progressive as they thought they were.

[panader0]

43. There may be an element of fear too.

Perhaps about the investigations. Why else attack if you truly believe that you've already won?

[edgineered]

38. Last night our county's Democratic Party phoned me.

It was tempting to tell them to go scratch their arses, but instead led them to believe that I was still onboard. My work schedule kept me from attending the training session on Friday that they were seeking volunteers for. It may be that others are doing likewise; the result being an over estimation of party support in communities.

[WolverineDG]

47. Because they are bullies

and bullies love to rub salt into wounds, to keep up dischord, & are not mature enough to handle anyone who doesn't agree with them.

[NurseJackie]

67. GMAFB!

Don't be so FLICKING hypersensitive and overwrought when someone criticizes a candidate who (by his own account) is still in the contest. His own actions (or lack thereof) make him fair game. Just because he will (obviously) not be the nominee, doesn't mean that every thing he does is now "off-limits" and can be shielded from criticism by crying "sore-winner, sore-winner".

Puh-leeze!

[WolverineDG]

119. Continuing to attack someone & their supporters

when it's "obvious" (as you put it) they are on the losing side IS bullying & indicative of certain incredibly vocal Clinton supporters who just can't handle the fact that some people refuse to bow down to her "inevitability."

So GMAFB

[NurseJackie]

120. Take your time.

[sufrommich]

50. "it's more like PUMA"

[panader0]

51. LOL---HRC needs it a lot more than Bernie.

[grasswire]

83. ++ in many, many ways.

It must be a little humiliating for her to NEED the help of a man now.

[alarimer]

52. Because they know he is right.

Yet they are stuck with a neoliberal who will go back on every single campaign promise. I will laugh and say "I told you so" when she appoints some Goldman Sachs retread to Treasury. Or bombs some third world country just because. Or supports another coup in another South American country. They will be stuck having to defend her. Of course they will, because "It's okay when we do it."

[brooklynite]

101. So you think she'll get elected...good to know

[felix_numinous]

55. Just like conservatives in mainstream

media and governments, they like to keep a couple token liberals around to keep up the illusion of diversity, our color and contrast is used to attract people. Just enough for variety, but still on a leash.

Because without interspersing some juicy truths now and then people would completely tune them out

[jamese777]

60. The Primaries Aren't Over

there's still Washington D.C. And Bernie is still vowing to take the fight to the convention, so until he concedes, if he concedes, he's fair game and so is Hillary.
Unity can come AFTER the convention.

[QC]

65. In fairness, it really has nothing to do with Hillary.

The really ugly primary warriors are always the same people, regardless of who's running.

The people who call down divine fire on Hillary's critics now are the very same ones who said last time that she was "too stupid to be president," "morally depraved," and possessed of "an animal lust for power."

It's got nothing to do with Hillary, or even with politics at all. Some people just really, really enjoy being shitty to other people and they know they will get away with it here. They would be just as happy attacking people on a board devoted to, say, macrame or African violets.

There are many things you can blame Hillary for, but not this.

[onenote]

68. I think it is wrong for HRC supporters to bash Sanders. And for Sanders supporters to bash HRC.

Both things continue to happen here and it's unfortunate. But its also human nature for someone who sees their candidate being bashed to respond in kind. As far as who threw the first punch in any particular situation, we're well past the point where it matters.

Enough with the posts about getting a primary opponent to Sanders. And enough of the attacks on Clinton as this, that or the other thing.

Enough with the name calling directed at each candidate.

As for rebuttals of comments made by supporters of each side that don't involve attacking the other candidate, those don't bother me.

[Florencenj2point0]

73. Why the continued attacks on the Nominee Hillary?

party unity?

[AzDar]

77. They know something isn't quite right...

[Cobalt Violet]

80. because they can. Same reason a dog licks his junk.

I still can't come on to this forum without adding more and more to my ignore list.

[Sheepshank]

82. Clearly you have failed to review the op's just on this front page

[JSup]

94. I ignore hateful posts from both sides now...

...some people just want to cause trouble for its own sake.

[LanternWaste]

100. Creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy is entertaining, yes?

Creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy is entertaining, yes?

[oasis]

110. I'm seeing plenty of anti-Hillary OPs. So you may want to

address their futility.

[SheenaR]

112. Convenient

But they are far outnumbered by Anti-Bernies today. Other days def different. Not today

[grasswire]

115. I support you.

Paul Wellstone: "Stand up! Keep fighting!"

[oasis]

116. I'm for a mutual ceasefire. nt

[lanlady]

117. Bernie supporters, why is your guy so ungracious in defeat? Party unity?

Compare Hillary's gracious victory speech to Bernie's speech after California closed. He was surly, defiant, and angry. He had sore loser oozing out of every pore. Compare Hillary supporters cheering when she mentioned Sanders name versus the boos from the Sanders crowd when he mentioned the name of our country's first female nominee for president from a major party. It was a disgrace. Sanders embarrassed himself.

And to think HRC supporters are accused of "attacking" Sanders, when every bit of evidence of mean-spirited behavior points back to him.

[Ino]

123. "our country's first female nominee for president from a major party"

That's a lot of qualifiers.

Here's a stronger entry for the history books... First Presidential Nominee Under FBI Investigation.

That's a huge embarrassment for the whole country.

[Blue_Tires]

121. I could ask you the same thing?

[TheKentuckian]

125. Because they hate liberals and liberal policies...see the "free stuff" meme and

see the response to any and every actual policy idea.

[MariaThinks]

126. Have you read the comments bernie supporters are now saying about Warren?

I don't want any attacks on Bernie, but I'm seeing comments from both groups that are nasty and unhelpful.

One thread said that President Bill Clinton should be kissing 'butt' to get Bernie support votes. That's a disgraceful thing to say about a Democratic President.

[valerief]

127. The last time America elected a Dem Socialist, he was so popular they had to invent term limits.

Read that on Jimmy Dore's Twitter page.

[Beartracks]

129. He's earned the right to stay in...

... until everyone who wants to vote for him can have the opportunity to do so.

Who was that candidate back in 2008 that kinda did the same thing... what was her name?

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[Bill USA]

132. "I wish you evil Hillary people would leave us saintly Bernie Fans alone"

[font size="+1"]"I don't know WHY you guys say awful things about us.... here take this, you bastards deserve it!"[/font]


..could it be our screams that enrages BS fans?

[Rex]

136. You know why. What kind of person likes to divide people all the time and never has anything nice

to say? And I ain't just talking about supposed HRC supporters either.

[Panich52]

138. Vote blue no matter who...

I was neutral — determined to vote Dem regardless of who won to keep Herr Trump from White House. But Berniebots, at least on Twitter, have been the ones spewing hate and attacks on Clinton. The very few against Bernie have only been ones asking where his tax forms are.

If one is to be judged by company one keeps (Sanders fans seem to think so of Clinton) then Bernie's not so special after all.

[Demsrule86]

140. You all post attacks on Clinton

and then say we are attacking Bernie. Not true...but Bernie needs to go and soon.

[Betty Karlson]

142. The realisation has dawned that the Bernie movement is still going strong - and they hate it.

They hate that there will be a millions strong movement holding Clinton's feet to the fire every step of the way. They hate that the party will go left, not further right. They hate it that even if they manage one more lurge to the right in 2016, the Berning movement will drag the party leftward from 2018 onward. They hate that corporation-coddling Dems will be primaried, DWS-style, from here on. They hate that more Debbie-style shenanigans will come at the risk of splitting the party.

In short: they hate that we have a point and will continue to make it. And again. And again. And again.

[RBInMaine]

143. Some bitter Bernie people are still shouting and some Hillary folks are shouting back.

The situation is mutual. The healing is starting, but there is some way to go. You must be fair. It's happening on BOTH sides. We are still seeing people on Bernie's side wanting him to contest the convention, shouting about things being "rigged," attacking Hillary, etc.

THAT all needs to stop too.

[NorthCarolina]

144. Eh...for some it earns a mediocre paycheck from David Brock.

Bet he doesn't pay $15/hr. Probably more like the promise of $12 after several years.