2016 Postmortem
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(42,862 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)LOVE THIS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Love it!!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)JUST WOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MFM008
(19,808 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Love him too!
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I can't imagine he actually "dissed" him. He is trying to bring about unity.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)He spoke to Sen. Sanders before he endorsed her. That was respectful.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Doing so would be incredibly stupid if his goal is to heal the party, and besides, that just didn't sound like the president.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)President Obama wouldn't do that.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)stepping all over his 'big day' with all the Democratic big wigs kissing his ring. The media was tripping over themselves following him around Capitol Hill...now all attention will be on this for the rest of the day. Go POTUS!!
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I've just listened to the whole thing and he compliments Bernie on a great campaign but says no one could do the job that needs to be done better than Hillary.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)as he should have.
brush
(53,778 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)limelight. My guess is that Sanders showed his stubborn side to Obama, and they decided that they needed to endorse today.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)There is much more to politics than the façade.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"There is much more to politics than the façade."
Or your one-dimensional interpretation of events, as well...
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)would be made today.
They didn't throw that video together today after lunch.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)The diss was when he chose to do it. Clearly it wasn't planned for today, if you listen to the message.
treestar
(82,383 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Instead of watching Sanders meet with Democratic leaders, we are seeing a WH press conference. If there truly was respect for Sanders, they would have given him this one day to shine.
brush
(53,778 posts)(it was originally supposed to happen on Tuesday) and get on with the general election campaign against Trump, but Sanders didn't concede after he lost California, even doubled down and defiantly vowed "the struggle continues" on to DC.
At some point Sanders requested a meeting with the president, who agreed to meet the runner-up but saw no reason to change his schedule for the endorsement of our nominee.
I think the president's actions put things in the proper perspective. It's time to get on with the general election, not to coddle someone who repeatedly missed their cue on when to bow out.
Duval
(4,280 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Good for Obama in taking charge and realize that no good was coming out of watching Sanders parade around Capitol Hill getting accolades from people who are pretended to tolerate him. Much better optics for the Dems!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Please.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I pretend the same thing as well when others disagree with me. Very self-validating and self-serving.
okasha
(11,573 posts)He was very cordial toward Sanders.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I was hoping he'd wait until after the DC primary out of respect for the voters there, but on the other hand, I am psyched about getting to see him on the campaign trail again.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)he shares a lot of our values. At this time we have to get behind the nominee and beat the crap out of the Republicants up ticket and down!
Thank you again from all of us! We could all take a lesson from you.
BTW put on your armor there will be a lot of arrows headed your way.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Because I wasn't as rosy about his chances as some of them were after New York.
Apparently I am not the only committed Bernie supporter who has been banned from the group.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)In 2008 I made this stuff for Hillary supporters as an olive branch: http://www.zazzle.com/democrattotheend/products?dp=0&sr=250327169807697710&cg=196053165511745923
It kind of sucks being on the losing side this time, but I think I'm having an easier time than some Bernie supporters because I never hated Hillary and was primarily motivated to support Bernie because of Bernie, not because of opposition to Hillary. That doesn't mean there haven't been tears, though.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I was a Hillary supporter in 08 was bummed when she lost but learned to love and support President Obama. I walked my neighborhood, worked a phone bank or two. I worry about those that are Bernie or the highway. They young ones tend to believe everything they read on the internet about everybody.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Youngish, at least. Part of the millennial generation.
Good for you re. 2008. I did the same in 2004 - I was a Deaniac in the primaries but I traveled to Ohio and Pennsylvania to volunteer for Kerry and did some phonebanking. It was more about beating Bush than anything, although I wouldn't say I had to hold my nose to vote for Kerry. I am in a similar place with Hillary right now - I wouldn't say I will have to hold my nose, but I can't say I'll be as excited as I was to vote for Obama or as I would have been to vote for Bernie.
I actually like John Kerry a lot better now than I did when I voted for him. I am hoping I will come to feel the same way about Hillary.
I am happy for you and people like you who went through the heartbreak in 2008 and now get to see her win. I have a friend who was a big Hillary supporter in 2008, and I texted her last night that I was really excited for her. It must be really satisfying to see her come out on top this time.
grossproffit
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democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I should probably add one caveat to the bumper sticker in my signature: if it looks like the popular vote may be close, I may consider not voting for Hillary. This is because I live in a solidly blue state and I think that with Democrats still mad about Bush v. Gore, if a popular/electoral split happened in reverse this year, maybe there would be enough nationwide support to finally pass a constitutional amendment getting rid of the electoral college. I even considered not voting for Obama in 2012 for the same reason, but I changed my mind because I knew it would be the last time I got to vote for him.
If I lived in a swing state, I would have no hesitation about voting for Hillary. We cannot allow Trump to get elected, and besides, there are a lot of things I admire about Hillary.
athena
(4,187 posts)If you'd lived through that, you would know that it's extremely dangerous to aim for a popular/electoral split, or to try to teach the Democratic Party a lesson by withholding your vote. Close elections can be stolen. You might just end up with President Trump.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I am still bitter about it, like many Democrats. It's why I feel so strongly about getting rid of the electoral college.
I don't see how losing the popular vote could possibly change the outcome, though. There simply is no mechanism for overturning the electoral college based on the popular vote. None of Gore's legal challenges in 2000 were based on him winning the popular vote.
I'm not trying to teach the party a lesson. While I think certain aspects of the nominating process could have been fairer, and would like to see some reforms going forward, I don't think the nomination was stolen from Bernie. Stacked against him, maybe, but at the end of the day Hillary got more votes and more delegates.
athena
(4,187 posts)Gore would have been president. The only reason GWB "won" that election is that Gore's margin was not higher. If certain Nader supporters had recognized that Gore was not that similar to Bush and had voted for Gore, there would have been no Iraq war, and probably no ISIS. It's heartbreaking to think about what could have been. (ETA: I say this as someone who bought the pro-Nader argument hook, line, and sinker in 2000.)
If Hillary wins the electoral college but not the popular vote in November, she will not have much of a mandate. By withholding your vote, you will be making it less likely for her to make the changes we need. With all due respect, you don't change things by withholding your vote. You change them by becoming active at the grassroots level, by organizing, and by running for office.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)IamTheNoodle
(98 posts)Then I won't have to hold my nose while I vote for Hillary.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)We really need him in the senate. Obama did thank him for his campaign and bringing so many new people in to the party.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Tap his strength in fiscal areas and accountability. Let him loose. I don't think I'd be stretching it too much to say that many of us who supported Hillary do actually love Sanders fiscal policies.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)He has a score to settle with Trump
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)MannyG
(13 posts)Obama is a Boss, first big step in the post primary healing process.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)Bernie getting good props, as he should. We are in it to WIN it!
carburyme
(146 posts)EXACTLY!
realmirage
(2,117 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)A full throated endorsement crackling with enthusiasm.
Thank you President Obama!! Go Hillary! Go Dems!
jamese777
(546 posts)in Wisconsin, next week.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Obama endorses TPP, too.
Don't get me wrong: I like the guy, and he's accomplished a lot in the face of absurd levels of GOP stonewalling. History will view him as a good president. But a fair bit of what he's accomplished I oppose. He is by no means a progressive reformer.
jamese777
(546 posts)to be a "progressive reformer" with John Boehner/Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the Roberts majority on the Supreme Court blocking your every move.
Today's Gallup Poll has Obama's job approval rating at 50% approve/46% disapprove.
For June 9-12, 2008, George W. Bush was at 30% approve/64% disapprove.
The job approval rating for Congress is currently 14% approve and 77% disapprove, so the President endorsing Hillary Clinton and campaigning with her will carry weight with people who might conceivably vote for her in November.
Certainly, it carries no weight with the left's and the right's "Never Hillary" factions.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Even though Kate Brown is basically as liberal as Sanders.
You don't believe reasonable people can disagree on a candidate, you think you're the only reasonable person.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'm objecting to her doing so, in advance of the vote, as a superdelegate. I trust you understand the distinction...although given the inane amateur psychoanalysis you closed your reply with, I may be giving you entirely too much credit.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)When she runs for reelection. Shall i link to that post?
You can run from it, but I would not pretend it doesn't exist.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I know exactly what I said, and that's exactly what I did: I "primaried" Kate because as a superdelegate, she declared for Hillary prior to the primary. I object to that. I wasn't objecting to the endorsement itself, a nuance that clearly escaped you.
I will, however, vote for her in the GE. Her Republican opponent is actually remarkably reasonable for someone from his party...but still far too conservative for me.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)And I guess you really are ashamed of what you said, because you're trying to get people to believe you said something else.
But you didn't, you said exactly what I said you did and now you've lied about doing so.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1386329
LexVegas
(6,063 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)I support and am in general view that POTUS Obama has been a good POTUS.
I supported POTUS Obama whole heartedly (after starting Edwards and aligning with Kucinich most on policy) and donated more money than I could afford in 2008.
I was disappointed as soon as POTUS Obama started making appointments. That said, he was in a very difficult situation and has improved as POTUS in the 2nd term.
We (I anyway) will all be sorry to see POTUS Obama term out. I hope that Obama is closer to the Carter model than the Bill Clinton model of ex-POTUS.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)"During the American Civil War, Lord Acton's sympathies lay entirely with the Confederacy, for their defence of States' Rights against a centralised government that he believed would, by what he thought to be all historical precedent, inevitably turn tyrannical. His notes to Gladstone on the subject helped sway many in the British government to sympathise with the South.
In 1869 Queen Victoria raised Acton to the peerage, becoming the first Baron Acton. His elevation came primarily through the intercession of [Prime Minister William] Gladstone. The two were intimate friends and frequent correspondents."--Wikipedia
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)beaglelover
(3,484 posts)AWESOME!!!!!!!
mcar
(42,331 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Lance Bass esquire
(671 posts)Can't wait till the first Clinton / Trump debate. She will own him old school.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)He could have maintained a pristine legacy, but he decides to go and do this.