2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBill Clinton was popular at the end of his term; Barack Obama is popular at the end of his term...
Al Gore pushed Bill Clinton away during his Presidential campaign; Hillary Clinton is embracing Barack Obama during her Presidential campaign.
What can we learn from this?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I think Gore was between a rock and a hard place.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Bill away, when Bill was so popular, was a big, big mistake
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Not only did we end up with Bush as president, we were also still stuck with Lieberman in the Senate.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)He went s little too far with the family values stuff when it wasn't necessary. Dems didn't care about the Mighty Clenis. But he wagered that the elusive vast center did.
If he'd had Obamas oratory skills, I think he could have pulled it off though.
He never should have ended the recount.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Bill was popular but also scandal-plagued. Maybe Gore shouldn't have run from him, but it's easy to see why he did.
Plus, Bill is such a loose canon on the campaign trail that Gore might have been better off without him. I believe he played a huge role in costing Hillary the nomination in 2008. I'm sure he meant well, but some of the stuff he said about Obama hurt her campaign a lot.
msongs
(67,405 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The Supreme Court stopped it and handed the WH to bush.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)...any ONE of them would have made Florida irrelevant.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)No, wait...
Ralph Nader Sucks.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Two terrible candidates, imo.
I think Bill's actions helped usher in the "compassionate conservative" wave of "morally correct (lol)" candidates.
Gore was probably going to "lose" even if Gore embraced Clinton.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)That would have all but guaranteed Florida. Bob Graham was so popular at that time and he would have made an excellent VP!!
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)think
(11,641 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Clinton His acquittal wasn't until February of 1999. Even a year later there was a lot reasonable uncertainty about how Bill would affect Gore's campaign.
Had Clinton not given the GOP the ammunition to impeach him, I think Clinton-Gore would have been a lot like Obama-Clinton.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Gore should have paid attention to people not pundits. I mean, Tad Devine who still thinks "votes are not always an accurate measure"
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)I was really angry about Bill's poor judgment and letting the Republicans box him in a legal corner over a tryst, but I still supported him.
Maybe not you, but I know I wasn't alone. Lots of middle of the road people were troubled by the affair and the apparent lying under oath.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Republicans should be ashamed of modern presidents within their own party.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)And many of them lost because of it. Especially in 2010.
American's respect loyalty over perfection. That's one reason that Trump is getting such a bad rap, other Republicans aren't loyal to him because he's not loyal to the Republicans.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)so, there's another lesson. (PS: Gore won anyway, but it might have been harder to steal had bill gotten more adoring Floridians at the polls)
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)won't be saying that about hillary and obama
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)I think he overdid it, but two-term VPs are always fighting the "more of the same" image battle. And Bill did have good numbers but he was coming off a major scandal that Gore was disassociating himself from for obvious reasons. The President should have been used selectively to drive turnout but that didn't happen until it was too late and even then he was limited to Arkansas if memory serves. I guess the lesson is non-VPs have more freedom of movement, particularly when the incumbent is clean.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)overly sanctimonious, moralizingly preachy, far right Democrat-in-name-only to go on your ticket in the veep slot, in some futile effort to win over "values voters" and "megachurch moms".