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brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:53 PM Jun 2016

Bill Clinton was popular at the end of his term; Barack Obama is popular at the end of his term...

Al Gore pushed Bill Clinton away during his Presidential campaign; Hillary Clinton is embracing Barack Obama during her Presidential campaign.

What can we learn from this?

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Bill Clinton was popular at the end of his term; Barack Obama is popular at the end of his term... (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
It was a different situation with Bill. bunnies Jun 2016 #1
Gore was trying to please people who were never going to vote for him anyway. Keeping lunamagica Jun 2016 #5
As was Lieberman. eom charlyvi Jun 2016 #6
Yes, absolutely. Why did he pick him, anyway? lunamagica Jun 2016 #7
Well in retrospect, Gore getting robbed of the presidency was a double whammy. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #13
Had he sent Bill to Florida the final week of the campaign, he wins that state by a solid margin. Drunken Irishman Jun 2016 #15
Yeah. bunnies Jun 2016 #16
Tad Devone was his adviser, so robbedvoter Jun 2016 #25
Agreed democrattotheend Jun 2016 #17
al actually won then folded by not demanding a recount in FLorida nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
There was a recount in FL.... cynatnite Jun 2016 #3
Al lost TEN STATES that Clinton had won four years earlier... brooklynite Jun 2016 #4
That Ralph Nader sucks? I kid... I kid... onehandle Jun 2016 #8
Gore's campaign was an epic failure. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #9
Maybe you didn't intend to remind me of how disgusting that zipper problem was, but you did. Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #10
Gore-Lieberman was not a good ticket bigwillq Jun 2016 #11
He should have picked Graham from Florida RockaFowler Jun 2016 #14
You nailed it - Al Gore pushed Bill Clinton away. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #12
I guess we'll see! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #18
She'll sign the TPP without revision? think Jun 2016 #19
The Clinton aura was a wee bit different than the Obama aura at this pint. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #20
67 % approval. The "aura" was 🐘 media robbedvoter Jun 2016 #24
I probably would have responded as approving too, but it was a conflicted approval aikoaiko Jun 2016 #26
That only Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #21
Don't forget that many Dems ran from Obama in 2010 and 2014. joshcryer Jun 2016 #22
I believe Tad Devine was advising Al Gore robbedvoter Jun 2016 #23
gore and his campaign weren't very smart.... beachbum bob Jun 2016 #27
In fairness, Gore was Bill's two-term VP so he needed to create some distance BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #28
What can we learn? If you want to motivate Democrats, don't pick a crappy Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #29

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
5. Gore was trying to please people who were never going to vote for him anyway. Keeping
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jun 2016

Bill away, when Bill was so popular, was a big, big mistake

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
13. Well in retrospect, Gore getting robbed of the presidency was a double whammy.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

Not only did we end up with Bush as president, we were also still stuck with Lieberman in the Senate.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
16. Yeah.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jun 2016

He went s little too far with the family values stuff when it wasn't necessary. Dems didn't care about the Mighty Clenis. But he wagered that the elusive vast center did.

If he'd had Obamas oratory skills, I think he could have pulled it off though.

He never should have ended the recount.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
17. Agreed
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jun 2016

Bill was popular but also scandal-plagued. Maybe Gore shouldn't have run from him, but it's easy to see why he did.

Plus, Bill is such a loose canon on the campaign trail that Gore might have been better off without him. I believe he played a huge role in costing Hillary the nomination in 2008. I'm sure he meant well, but some of the stuff he said about Obama hurt her campaign a lot.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
4. Al lost TEN STATES that Clinton had won four years earlier...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

...any ONE of them would have made Florida irrelevant.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
11. Gore-Lieberman was not a good ticket
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

Two terrible candidates, imo.

I think Bill's actions helped usher in the "compassionate conservative" wave of "morally correct (lol)" candidates.

Gore was probably going to "lose" even if Gore embraced Clinton.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
14. He should have picked Graham from Florida
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jun 2016

That would have all but guaranteed Florida. Bob Graham was so popular at that time and he would have made an excellent VP!!

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
20. The Clinton aura was a wee bit different than the Obama aura at this pint.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:58 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton His acquittal wasn't until February of 1999. Even a year later there was a lot reasonable uncertainty about how Bill would affect Gore's campaign.

Had Clinton not given the GOP the ammunition to impeach him, I think Clinton-Gore would have been a lot like Obama-Clinton.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
24. 67 % approval. The "aura" was 🐘 media
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:47 AM
Jun 2016

Gore should have paid attention to people not pundits. I mean, Tad Devine who still thinks "votes are not always an accurate measure"

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
26. I probably would have responded as approving too, but it was a conflicted approval
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:52 AM
Jun 2016

I was really angry about Bill's poor judgment and letting the Republicans box him in a legal corner over a tryst, but I still supported him.

Maybe not you, but I know I wasn't alone. Lots of middle of the road people were troubled by the affair and the apparent lying under oath.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
22. Don't forget that many Dems ran from Obama in 2010 and 2014.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:34 AM
Jun 2016

And many of them lost because of it. Especially in 2010.

American's respect loyalty over perfection. That's one reason that Trump is getting such a bad rap, other Republicans aren't loyal to him because he's not loyal to the Republicans.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
23. I believe Tad Devine was advising Al Gore
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:44 AM
Jun 2016

so, there's another lesson. (PS: Gore won anyway, but it might have been harder to steal had bill gotten more adoring Floridians at the polls)

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
28. In fairness, Gore was Bill's two-term VP so he needed to create some distance
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jun 2016

I think he overdid it, but two-term VPs are always fighting the "more of the same" image battle. And Bill did have good numbers but he was coming off a major scandal that Gore was disassociating himself from for obvious reasons. The President should have been used selectively to drive turnout but that didn't happen until it was too late and even then he was limited to Arkansas if memory serves. I guess the lesson is non-VPs have more freedom of movement, particularly when the incumbent is clean.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
29. What can we learn? If you want to motivate Democrats, don't pick a crappy
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jun 2016

overly sanctimonious, moralizingly preachy, far right Democrat-in-name-only to go on your ticket in the veep slot, in some futile effort to win over "values voters" and "megachurch moms".

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