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brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:28 AM Jun 2016

Remember Lucy Flores, whom Bernie endorsed (for a Primary race)?

Who made a big fundraising haul thanks to Bernie supporters?

She lost (NV-4).

So did Allen Rheinhart (NV-Sen)

So did Jose Solaria (NV-1)

So did Rick Shepherd (NV-2)

So did Jess Sbaih and Alex Singer (NV-3)

So did all the Berniecrats who ran in last week's Primaries.

Sanders seems to have a good model for fundraising. Not so much for getting votes.

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Remember Lucy Flores, whom Bernie endorsed (for a Primary race)? (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
And your point NOW? flor-de-jasmim Jun 2016 #1
He has no coat tails. MADem Jun 2016 #2
In fairness to him, he's had 40 years practice at the same script..... OnDoutside Jun 2016 #4
One less argument for claiming the voters made a mistake and he shold be the nominee nt Sheepshank Jun 2016 #19
It's worse than that. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #20
His schtick doesn't resonate to the general electorate... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #25
Makes sense considering he only got 42% of the vote Renew Deal Jun 2016 #28
Exactly!! I hope the Dems look closely at this before giving in too much in negotiations with eastwestdem Jun 2016 #37
"He's simply not inspiring to me." Nor to me. He never has been Number23 Jun 2016 #41
Justin Bamberg (So. Carolina 90th) won. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #3
So he's 1 for 7? Such influence! I can hear the superdelegates flipping already! BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #5
Actually FIVE Berniecrats won. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #6
4 of 5 seem to be cases of piddling in the ocean Tarc Jun 2016 #13
They may not like Issa but he has Congressional clout and he brings home the bacon. MADem Jun 2016 #24
Incumbents tend to renominated Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 #22
His own campaign suffered from a dearth of ground game. auntpurl Jun 2016 #7
he did not even have an office in Florida until a few days prior to the primary DrDan Jun 2016 #9
It's up to the candidates to win, not Bernie to do all thee work for them Larkspur Jun 2016 #8
Your thread reminded me to check the date for the New York 19th District primary. CBHagman Jun 2016 #10
If Teachout wins, she'll join my list of candidates to support... brooklynite Jun 2016 #12
Teachout was a presence in NY State long before Sanders was. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
I give thanks to the Lucy Flores' of the world. It takes courage to stand up to the machine. floppyboo Jun 2016 #11
it is shameful, a good dem woman lost in the reddest state and you celebrate the loss swhisper1 Jun 2016 #30
She lost to a DEMOCRAT. research before you speak Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #39
Sanders would kill many down ballot races Gothmog Jun 2016 #14
Always what I thought rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #33
the revolution was in the minds of the few and the reality is....doesn't have traction beachbum bob Jun 2016 #15
Why so bitter? GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #16
good thing these types of posts stop here after 16th.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #17
Yay, Establishment! Orsino Jun 2016 #21
Our best hope of turning back citizens United rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #34
He would do well to focus more on GOTV with his young supporters wildeyed Jun 2016 #23
The revolution hasn't lifted finger for its other candidates RandySF Jun 2016 #26
well you certainly have not kept up swhisper1 Jun 2016 #31
I guess it takes big money to pay off vote counters. nt valerief Jun 2016 #27
cant win them all, his guys are winning races, 30 so far, 2 have lost try again swhisper1 Jun 2016 #29
And aren't you soooo happy! Beowulf Jun 2016 #32
Easy as pie. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #36
You are vile. Beowulf Jun 2016 #44
8 Berniecrats win in So. Carolina. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #35
The person who wrote that headline was inventive--read the article-only 2 came through, and both MADem Jun 2016 #38
He wasn't making a prediction. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #40
Thanks for confirming that true Progressives have no place in today's Democratic Party azurnoir Jun 2016 #42
How true! Beowulf Jun 2016 #43
I see you've become convinced money = best candidates... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #45

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. He has no coat tails.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

He gave it a good try, but he lost, fair and square--and decisively, too.

I was listening to him on TV yesterday, and it was the same griping litany. If he wants to build a movement he would do well to do a little less complaining and a little more active describing of how to get to where he wants to go.

He's simply not inspiring to me. I am not surprised at the blowout in DC, either.

Especially in the wake of the Orlando tragedy--he just wasn't resonating, IMO.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
25. His schtick doesn't resonate to the general electorate...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jun 2016

He felt entitled and I'm not sure why. His rantings were fine in short 3 minute bursts on cable tv, but not a party platform and General Election strategy.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
37. Exactly!! I hope the Dems look closely at this before giving in too much in negotiations with
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jun 2016

him. He really does not have the power that he claims to possess.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
41. "He's simply not inspiring to me." Nor to me. He never has been
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:18 AM
Jun 2016

and with each snarling whine from him about how terribly unfair and "rigged" everything is despite being a member of the United States Congress for damn near 30 years, I find him even less so.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
13. 4 of 5 seem to be cases of piddling in the ocean
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

Applegate may be able to squeak by Issa, but the rest are money sinks.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. They may not like Issa but he has Congressional clout and he brings home the bacon.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

And speaking of bacon, he's got lots of his own--he's not going to lose a campaign over lack of money for things like TV or print ads and oppo research. This is the guy that put up a million bucks to recall Grey Davis because he wanted his job (and then sobbed like a baby when AHHHHNULLLLLD bigfooted him and everyone else out of the gig).

In California’s 49th district, Doug Applegate – who, similar to Sheridan, was also endorsed by the ‘Vote Progressive California’ organization – will face Republican Darrell Issa in the general election. Issa narrowly defeated Applegate last night winning 51% of the vote to Applegate’s 45%. Meanwhile, Ryan Wingo of no party affiliation garnered 3%.

Applegate’s race presents progressive Democrats with a realistic opportunity to elect a candidate who accurately represents their views in Congress. With his performance last night, Applegate did better than Issa than any of the Republican representative’s previous 7 challengers did. If Applegate successfully raises awareness about the fact that he, more so than many other progressive Democratic Congressional candidates, has a real chance of winning, he is certainly in with a shot at unseating the 7 term Republican.....


Applegate is going to have to be like Caesar's wife if it gets too close. I always thought Issa was in a fairly safe district--if he's feeling any heat at all, that's wonderful news. Better still if he has to spend his OWN money to try and hang on!

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
7. His own campaign suffered from a dearth of ground game.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

I wonder if they used the same (lack of) techniques for these candidates.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
9. he did not even have an office in Florida until a few days prior to the primary
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

Florida, for heavens sake

no wonder he came out second

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
8. It's up to the candidates to win, not Bernie to do all thee work for them
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

Some of those Bernie supported were long shots to begin with so it should not be surprised that they lost.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
10. Your thread reminded me to check the date for the New York 19th District primary.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

A little background: There's been some talk about whether Zephyr Teachout, who ran for the New York governorship a while back, would be one of the Sanders-backed candidates to win the primary and, in November, the general election. But New York isn't done with its primaries, even at this late date, and we'll be waiting till the end of the month for that one.

Anyway, a little digging around found the following, some of which surprised me. I should add as well that New York's 19th District has been won by Republicans in eight of the last 10 congressional elections, and not by close margins. So predictions may be a fool's errand at this point.

[url]http://www.thenation.com/article/can-zephyr-teachout-win-a-seat-in-congress/[/url]

 One sign that Teachout is already looking ahead to November is her occasional description of herself as a “Rockefeller Republican” or a “Teddy Roosevelt Republican”—though to me she referenced a different Roosevelt, describing herself as “a second-term FDR person.” That would be the term that began with a landslide victory for FDR, saw the Democratic Party transformed into the party of immigrants, city dwellers, and African Americans—and also saw the president’s plan to reorganize the Supreme Court thwarted by, among others, Louis Brandeis.

More on Teachout and her rival for the Democratic nomination, Will Yandik:

[url]http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20160607/zephyr-teachout-will-yandik-find-a-lot-to-agree-on-at-democratic-congressional-debate[/url]

Following the event Teachout declined to talk with the Freeman reporter and her aides, who attempted to block a reporter from asking questions, said the candidate needed to get to another event.

Yandik stayed following the debate to talk with the audience and took questions from the Freeman about whether Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders should stay in the race.

“Bernie Sanders should go to the convention and advocate for the progressive values that he has fought so hard for and interjected into the Democratic debate,” he said. “He has earned that right, whether he has the math to get the nomination or not, and I think he should take it to the convention. But I also think that if Hillary (Clinton) is the nominee, then all Democrats have to get behind her if she is the eventual numerical nominee.”

Yandik added that Clinton should give Sanders credit for “energizing young people. He has talked more about climate change and income inequality than she has, and I think that the sheer energy that you’re seeing, the populist uprising among the democratic base, would be good for her to acknowledge in a significant way."

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
12. If Teachout wins, she'll join my list of candidates to support...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

...this is a highly competetive race, but there is a Primary, and I haven't got a clue how it'll go.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Teachout was a presence in NY State long before Sanders was.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

She primaried Andrew Cuomo and won a lot of counties upstate.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. I give thanks to the Lucy Flores' of the world. It takes courage to stand up to the machine.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

And shame on you brooklynite. But I guess you also have 1 day left.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
30. it is shameful, a good dem woman lost in the reddest state and you celebrate the loss
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jun 2016

some Democrat

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
33. Always what I thought
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jun 2016

Even as he was touting his supposed polling margins against Trump this spring, I felt Bernie might cost us seats in congress if he were at the top of the ticket. Other than Russ Feingold (the Great), all of our senate challengers need to charge toward the center to win and give us back a senate majority. It was going to be damn hard for most of our dem senate challengers to win attached to "public option" and "free college" and "ban fracking."

Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know politics in middle America. And we must win the senate -- in some ways it's more important than the damn presidency but we won't get the former unless the candidate for the latter appeals to the center and even center-right independents and disaffected republicans (especially educated suburban women in Virginia, Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida).

Just how I saw and still see it. My basic view is that majority opinion in this country is simply not nearly as far left as Sanders and his campaign argued it might be. The general is not the primary. We need 4-5x the number of voters on one day. And we need key constituencies in key states not a 50 state ideological campaign.

Clinton needs not to get pulled too far left if we are going to save the Supreme Court. That's my hard headed analysis even as a lifelong liberal. A single revolutionary structural shift to the left was never going to happen around Bernie. Never. And gambling on that when the opponent is Trunp and the GOP congress just seemed dreamy and foolish and naive about American politics and the American electorate to me. Just my opinion after 40+ years of being an engaged and sometimes activist liberal (albeit not one to reject market capitalism or economic globalization outright. -- I think a world that trades is more likely not to go to war).

We must forge a centrist consensus in this country to beat the far right. It's an existential struggle for the country I love and in which my daughters will live when I'm gone - and that makes women's rights of equal importance to me with anything else, racial justice also at the top of my list, and a rational foreign policy, plus some serious commitment to defending our biosphere in pragmatic and urgent terms). Hillary is well situated to do this for all the reasons the Sanders holdouts dislike her. They're right, she's got some neoliberal tendencies.

So does the real world in which governance happens.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
15. the revolution was in the minds of the few and the reality is....doesn't have traction
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

as the results indicate

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
34. Our best hope of turning back citizens United
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jun 2016

depend on having 2-3 Supreme Court picks which in turn depends on having control of the senate which means winning senate races in relatively conservative states.

So no, boo CU. But Bernie was not going to overturn it had he won. And as I argue above we stood far less chance of regaining the senate with Bernie as our nominee.

My opinions only of course. But they are sincerely held. I know that makes me a neoliberal Wall Street apologist warmonger-lover to some around here.

Luckily however 3.5 million more democratic voters agreed with me than with Susan Sarandon and Cornell West.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
23. He would do well to focus more on GOTV with his young supporters
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jun 2016

and less on rallies and fundraising. Statistically, his support comes from a demographic that does not vote regularly. If he wants to prove he is a force to be reckoned with and that his ideas really have widespread appeal, he needs to prove he can turn them out consistently.

This is also why I roll my eyes at the ones who plan to sit out the GE or vote Trump. People who don't vote or turncoat get no respect for a reason.

RandySF

(58,835 posts)
26. The revolution hasn't lifted finger for its other candidates
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jun 2016

Which proves that it's all a Cult of Personality.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
32. And aren't you soooo happy!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jun 2016

Yay, establishment! Yay, Citizens United! Yay, Corporate Dems! You've beaten back another challenge from the left.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. The person who wrote that headline was inventive--read the article-only 2 came through, and both
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:39 AM
Jun 2016

will be defeated by entrenched Republicans (Wilson and Sanford). You should have read the whole article before you relied on the headline. The few state candidates mentioned in the article are incumbents in safe seats who have said they support Sanders, not challengers to national seats. If they supported no candidate, or Clinton, the result would have been the same.

With Bernie Sanders’ Presidential ambitions unlikely to materialize, it seems as though it will be up to state, senatorial and congressional candidates to continue the “political revolution.” While a total of 8 ‘Sanders Democrats’ – endorsers of the Bernie Sanders Presidential campaign and progressive policies – ran for Congress on June 14th, sadly, only two managed to reign triumphant. Both were in South Carolina.

Arik Bjorn and Dimitri Cherny won their respective Democratic primaries and will face GOP incumbents in November’s general elections, as did multiple Sanders endorsers running for the South Carolina state house of representatives.Those ‘Sanders Democrats’ who weren’t fortunate enough to clinch the party’s nomination were Jesse Sbiah, Alex Singer, Rick Shepherd, Lucy Flores and Dan Rolle. Flores’ loss, in particular, was disappointing for Sanders supporters, who had high hopes for her in Nevada’s 4th Congressional district. Sanders had fundraised for and endorsed Flores, calling her “exactly the type of politician we need in Congress.” However, the eventual winner was Rubin – a candidate endorsed by both Bill Clinton and Senate Minority leader Harry Reid.

In South Carolina’s 2nd Congressional district, ‘Sanders Democrat’ Arik Bjorn defeated Phil Black – the party’s 2014 nominee in the district – in a thrilling, down to the wire race. The vote tally concluded with Bjorn gathering 50.1% of the popular vote (9,604 votes) to Black’s 49.9% (9,555 votes.) The 59 vote margin is well below the automatic recount threshold in South Carolina. Nonetheless, a recount is unlikely to result in a different outcome.

Following his presumptive primary victory, Bjorn will now face the GOP incumbent Rep. Joe Wilson. South Carolina’s 2nd Congressional district is described by analysis as “deeply Republican”, and so Bjorn faces an immense task to overcome the inherent deficit he faces as a Democrat in South Carolina. The Democrats best showing in the district in recent years came in 2010 when their nominee – Rob Miller – garnered 43.8% of the vote. However, that election was before the most recent Congressional district redrawing in South Carolina.

Additionally, in South Carolina’s 1st Congressional district, Dimitri Cherny became the Democratic nominee through an uncontested primary. Cherny will face the GOP incumbent, current US representative and former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford, in the general election, where he is also unlikely to win due to the Republican lean of he district. However, Sanford is showing signs of weakness, only narrowly holding off his primary challenger.

At the state level, Bernie-endorsed Justin Bamberg – the attorney who represented Walter Scott’s family – was easily renominated to his seat in District 90 of the South Carolina House of Representatives with 77.76% of the vote. Elsewhere at the South Carolina state level, Bernie supporting incumbents won re-nominations in the 59th, 62nd, 70th, 101st, and 111th State House Districts. Terry Alexander, Robert Williams, Joseph Neal, Cezar E. McKnight, Wendell G. Gilliard and Justin Bamberg all promise to represent the “political revolution” and progressive policies in South Carolina’s House.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
43. How true!
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is truly an existential threat, but for us is Clinton not also an existential threat? We'll hear again and again, "you must vote Clinton and Clinton-backed candidates or else Trump!" But from my perspective Trump and Clinton both want us vanquished. I can't vote for either of them. And I'm not voting for the down ticket hacks the party propped up to beat the progressive candidates either. So, sorry, Katie McGinty, you aren't getting my vote either.

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