So now he wants some kinda RANSOM?

[bravenak]

A list of demands in exchange for his endorsement? What, is he going to release the millennials and free them if we give him a laundry list of changes that will remold the Democratic Party and remake it into his idea of what our party should be?
What if the majority of us, like our party just fine the way it is? What if we want to have some say in any changes made? I guess we should all just bow down to his wishes and wants or else what? He won't endorse? So WHAT? His endorsement is irrelevant at this point.

You know what? I'm perfectly fine with him not endorsing and he can keep his 'endorsement' and go find a seat somewhere.

And just for fun, does he even understand that the DNC does not control whether a state decides on an open or closed primary or caucus?

This is what happens when one is not a long term or lifelong Democrat. They do not understand the process and make impossible demands.

Time to start ignoring these ransom demands and ignore him too. We do not have to remake the party in his image over the will and stated goals of the majority of our party. There were large demographics of this party that did not give him our votes and many of us are not interested in his vision or changing the party to suit the candidate that never connected with us one bit.


The patriarchal tendencies of those who maintain societal power over groups like women, african americans, minorities and the rest of us who are not able bodied straight white males, have been on display for over a year. We fought that fight against the white male patriarchy, and we won. We will not cede the small bit of power that were were able to wrest from their grasp. Time for them To accept that new reality, and time for us to move on and ignore those who refuse to accept the reality of this new world we live in.


We ain't paying the ransom and millennials ain't hostages. I am a millennial. I voted for Hillary Clinton.

Fuck Donald Trump

[LuvLoogie]

1. K&R

[The Wielding Truth]

88. I was afraid to post. I thought this was the Hillary Group forum.

It is not unreasonable to take the desires of the millions supporters who came out of a political malaise to want to make changes to the Democratic party and push as hard as possible to implement those changes. I applaud the determined efforts of this man whose entire career has been to improve the lives of the working class.

[tex-wyo-dem]

141. +1

[zonkers]

176. Well said. I applaud him too. As long as he playing by the rules, others can take a hike. He is

in it till the convention... for us.

[hollysmom]

162. well it is not like he has a 25 million dollar debt and wants his million back.

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he actually would like to see a liberal party - how many people who post here are really conservative and want to not support financially progressive ideas? I am not talking social ideas because Dems are still fairly liberal there, but we are talking diplomatic issues, and financial issues. Why not try and push for more? I would like to see less war, and would like to see the tax rates on upper income go up so that everyone is paying a fair share. I dread the future for those younger than me looking at how hard it is from them to find jobs now. More dysfunctional trade bills would be a major disaster for this country.

why resent someone wanting some of that, if he can get it I will be happy, but if he can't no skin off your nose. If you don't ask you don't get.

[The Wielding Truth]

241. WWell said, hollysmom.

[hollysmom]

242. ok, ok, I have the worst typing fingers, broke themn all when I fell on black ice and put my hands

out to break the fall and broke the fingers instead and now arthritis, I think considering my fingers point in different directions that my typing could be worse, ha ha .

[The Wielding Truth]

243. No. I thought you were just being expressive. It's cool.

[MaeScott]

223. Yes, let's dance!

...what this country needs is a good enema

[CorkySt.Clair]

2. Let's check in with the late Ted Knight for his views on Bernie's refusal to leave the race...

[bravenak]

6. Pretty much -

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I am willing to give Bernie time

I am willing to give Bernie time but do you remember this scene from the Godfather:

[Demsrule86]

10. A dead horsehead maybe?

[CorkySt.Clair]

14. Remember it? How could I forget it!

Great choice, btw. Very apropos.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. The abbreviated version

[okasha]

27. I expect the Senators will give him a deadline.

[Ash_F]

225. You know Al Pacino wasn't exactly the good guy in that story?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

227. Were there any good guys in that story?

[Ash_F]

229. Earlier another person posted a Scar(The Lion King) meme where HRC was supposed to be him

I have seen several posts since New York where a movie villain was invoked to personify HRC mocking the movement.

Maybe it's not such great optics?

[Gothmog]

250. That is a very effective negotiating position

[tonyt53]

3. Thank you for recognizing Bernie for what he is - bitter.

He knew damned well what the rules were, but chose to run with those rules, then bash them when he didn't win. That is the sigh of an entitled person or a very confused person. Now be prepared for the Bernie-ites to come at ya. For some reason they seem to know more about the election process than anybody else, or so they portend. Sad when they have to rely on conspiracies to make them feel vindicated.

[bravenak]

5. I really think many of them have never voted

Seriously. The fact that they think he can just abracadabra his entire agenda through force if will actually scares me. I signed up for a few more history classes next semester thanks to them. I have to try to figure out WHY and WHEN we got so ignorant as a society.

[tonyt53]

9. It is called complacency.

[bravenak]

12. They have no idea how good they have it

I was born under Reagan. I know how it is to have a real rightwinger in the WH

[Jamaal510]

40. I've had

political science classes with a few people like that. I'll cut other people a little slack for it, but political science majors should know better than to think he'd govern as some type of magician or king. It's frustrating to see people put so much stock into the presidential race while ignoring the impact of other elections.

[bravenak]

47. When I suggest people concentrate on local races

They get very pissed off like I have attacked them personally. This is why we have the stupid district maps drawn all janky. Nobody wants to do the ground work on a local level to get things in line. They reach for the whitehouse and nothing gets done. And the Tea party gets to draw our maps.

[EffieBlack]

164. Exactly!

[glowing]

25. He's afraid they will go third party and end up making Donald

trump the winner by default. Many of them want him to break his pledge and run third party or on the Green ticket... If everything was about him, wouldn't it have been easier for him to do as the rest of congress, take corporate money, sell out the people years ago?

[Demsrule86]

38. what would he do?

He has never worked for anyone but the government.

[pnwmom]

71. If he's afraid of that, then he should lead the way to joining the rest of the

party ASAP.

[uponit7771]

239. +1, he wouldn't be making any demands if he won... these demands come post losing & is bitter soundi

[KingFlorez]

4. He's an autocratic egomaniac

If anything he's only demonstrating now why he would not have made a good President. When you believe that every single person who doesn't hold your views 100% is corrupt, you have issues.

[bravenak]

7. People who point fingers but never notice their own flaws irritate me

[Qutzupalotl]

46. People who reduce everything to identity politics irritate me.

[bravenak]

48. That is too damn bad. I do not care

[Qutzupalotl]

49. Nor do I.

[bravenak]

50. Good for you

But trip this. Social justice is what we democrats will be focusing on. Period. Black voters will be heard and so will women. Blacks, minorities and women make up the bulk of democratic voters, so our 'identity politics' are DEMOCRATIC POLITICS. Full stop.

[Qutzupalotl]

60. Get this.

Both our leading candidates had excellent records on women's rights and minority rights, but you consistently distorted one's record for political gain. So it's ironic that you complain about people not seeing their own flaws. Look in a mirror.

[bravenak]

62. Not true

One had an OLD record but no RECENT INTERACTIONS. And it showed. One screwed up royally last primary season but apologized and stfu and listened to us. That shows character. That mattered more than a score from naacp or pp

[Qutzupalotl]

64. One had protestors booted, the other gave them his microphone

so they could address the crowd.

[bravenak]

69. And one's supporters attacked BLM for weeks and Jon Lewis and Dolores Huerta.

The other's supporters offers words of encouragement and did not get mad if somebody endorsed her opponent. No death threats to journalists were sent by them. No swarms attacking superdelegates that endorsed him.That mattered too.

[Qutzupalotl]

90. Supporters' actions are their own.

The candidate's character is a separate issue from how supporters behave. That should not matter enough to change your vote.

And there are legitimate criticisms that can be made even to civil rights heroes. They are all human and can act unfairly in the heat of a campaign.

[bravenak]

97. It was his job to denounce that activity. Show his mettle. He ignored it. Showed his mettle.

[Qutzupalotl]

105. Ridiculous. Should Hillary have logged into DU and denounced

her supporters for their off-the-wall attacks?

[bravenak]

108. I am talking more about the death threats to superdelegates and Journalists

[Qutzupalotl]

123. He denounced it.

"I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals."

[bravenak]

125. That was not enough. It continued unabated. Maybe the rhetoric fueled some activity.

There was alot of angry rhetoric aimed at superdelegates calling them currupt and perhaps that was unwise as some took it as fact and wanted to 'take them down' in some way and scare them. Maybe felt comfortable aiming their attacks at public figures and did not seem to care that these were actual people. Calling homes and harassing children and wives of supers? I never saw that tactic denounce. It really did snowball into something ugly.

[Qutzupalotl]

139. "including the personal harassment of individuals."

Maybe you missed that part.

[bravenak]

144. That was not enough

[Qutzupalotl]

149. Neither is $12 an hour.

[bravenak]

152. It is in some places. But that us just a strawman and not the actual subject. A diversion.

[Qutzupalotl]

180. So is talking about supporters when we were discussing candidates.

But I understand why you don't want to talk policy.

[bettyellen]

220. Unfortunately he added a "but...."'to his denouncement. Childish.

[Lazy Daisy]

115. right

http://berniebrowho.tumblr.com/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/16/wendell-pierce-actor-and-social-activist-arrested-for-allegedly-attacking-bernie-sanders-supporter/

(sure hope I don't get any words of encouragement from that Hillary supporter

And the treatment of Nina Turner has been horrific

[bravenak]

118. He was arrested.

Now, I want the people who made terrorist threats against our democratic offucials a journos arressted as well. He is being punished. They need to be as well and he shoukd have deniunced all terrorist threats and told his folks not to engage in such.

[Lazy Daisy]

131. Is he being punished?

has he been to trial yet? What's his sentence?

Bernie has come out time and time again denouncing behavior that is alleged to be Bernie supporters. But you already know that.

But a man beats a woman because she's a Bernie supporter and crickets from Hillary and her crew. Well, they did dismiss it pretty quickly, so I guess beating a woman is AOK in their book.

The hypocrisy of Hillary, her campaign and her supporters over women is sickening.

[bravenak]

133. It only happened recently and though we have a right to a speedy trial

Things do not usually happen that fast if the defendent fights the charges. I have sat through trials of lived ones and it can take YEARS.

[Lazy Daisy]

142. then he hasn't been punished

has he? And no one from the Hillary camp, whether it be herself, her campaign, her surrogates or her supporters have railed against the violence against a woman. Maybe too busy railing against anonymous threats? Nina Turner got a couple, maybe work on those people too?

[bravenak]

146. Arresting him is a part of his punishment

There is not video for us to know what happened in there. He might not get any time. And? Some folks just want to stuff the jails full with no trial

[Lazy Daisy]

151. You said he's been punished

He hasn't. Being arrested is part of the process, sometimes it ends there, sometimes it doesn't.

But thanks for defending a man who grabbed a woman by her hair and struck her in the head.
Still no outrage from Hillary supporters. Maybe if he had just said mean things over the phone, or internet, then maybe.

[bravenak]

154. Yes he has. His face was all over the news with no actual facts of the case being presented

And we still have no clue what happened because there are several versions. I know you want him punished harsher but we have a system and a process. We do not flog, put them in the stockades, tar and feather or lynch our accused.

[Lazy Daisy]

161. You don't know me

Nor do you know my wants. Y'all can just check that shit.

He struck her. Period.

Funny how you continue to support a man who struck a woman because he's a Hillary supporter.

[bravenak]

163. I wont check a mf thing ever

[Lazy Daisy]

165. Including facts

It's apparent.

[bravenak]

167. You must just need the last word. Go 'head.

[Lazy Daisy]

170. In this particular moment yes

I WIN!! BWAHAHAHAHA



So to summarize the Hillary world: anonymous threats = bad
Striking a woman in the head = not so bad as long as you support Hillary

Gotcha

[Number23]

209. How can you DEAL with this shit?! Openly and BLATANTLY just flat out lying about what you've said

as though no one can see what you've written.

The only lie in this subthread is where it's alleged that Pierce hit that woman "because she was a Sanders supporter." No one has ANY idea why that altercation happened and I haven't heard anything about it in weeks. But I love how it's always Go To #1 from folks whenever the conversation tries to go to the literally HUNDREDS of Sanders supporters who have crapped on people's Facebook pages, acted like lunatics at rallies and conventions and sent death threats to officials.

You are acknowledging that the guy went to jail, which he did. I missed the "support" you are apparently giving this man by stating the only bits of reality that we know which is that we don't know why he hit that woman but that his ass went to jail for it. You really reeled in the quality posters, didn't ya? Got one screaming about "identity politics" and the other accusing you of "supporting" a man who assaulted a woman because you said he went to jail. But I'm sure any second now, YOU'LL be the one getting accused of "upsetting" ever so fragile and delicate Sanders supporters soon enough.

[bravenak]

210. I just laugh at this point

Everything I say gets loaded with connotations provided solely by the reader. It trips me out how far from my stated position their reply is. It's truly astonishing. I can now almost predict who will come and what strawman they intend to use by the time I finish writing.

But somehow I am the biggest bully on this site. One by one they come to attack but say I am oppressing them. I really do need to write a fucking book on this election season.

[Number23]

212. It's just mindless, never ending goading. Folks who sit in groups and complain how big of a troll

you are, and they are always -- ALWAYS -- the first ones to respond to your OPs. Every last SINGLE OP of yours, there they are.

But somehow I am the biggest bully on this site. One by one they come to attack but say I am oppressing them.

I know. And it's just so damn tedious. And stupid.

[bravenak]

213. I don't even write it for them and they know it

And I stay out of their angry threads for the most part. I think they just call anybody who does not agree with them a troll. Now I'm supposed to be paid by David Brock, even though I have been here way before the Bern ever got going.

But ever since I got into it with that one poster that said I wanted 'old white men' dead, it has been like this. My words are always rewritten and added to and it really is boring.

I keep thinking that eventually people will stop following me around to stop me from posting things they don't like to read. Would be nice. Too many blame me for their loss this campaign season, like I control the votes of many. All I did was predict what was going to happen accurately. Gotta kill the messenger, I guess.

[rock]

82. IMO there was one candidate

in the whole field (Dems, Inds, and Reps) who had the most diverse appeal: Hillary.

[bravenak]

86. I agree

[floriduck]

57. Actually, bravenak, I think everyone participating in DU discussions acts like that at one time or

another, myself definitely included. It's just a result of being emotionally invested in the process.

[bravenak]

61. I usually apologize if I go off the hook

I rarely see it in others.

[SirBrockington]

132. 90% isn't enough

[Number23]

207. "When you believe that every single person who doesn't hold your views is corrupt, you have isssues"

Issues is a hell of a nice way to put it. And you are damn right.

[uponit7771]

240. +1

[workinclasszero]

11. Message to Bernie

[bravenak]

13. Need to start tweeting that at him

[CorkySt.Clair]

16. I love this one too!

[eastwestdem]

15. The longer he waits, the fewer supports he has to "ask" to support Hillary.

The vast majority of my friends who used to support Sanders are now with Hillary...all on their own. The most rapid of the Sanders people (who I only know through DU) will likely not be swayed by a Sander's endorsement because they don't dislike Hillary as much as they dislike her supporters. They will not vote for her to spite us, so it matters not what Sanders says.

[bravenak]

24. Yeah. I don't think he realizes that the Democrats who voted for him are Democrats

and can be counted on to vote Democratic no matter what.

[SirBrockington]

135. Good to hear

Would love to see everyone come together to elect Dems in the House and Senate and maintain the White House.

[azurnoir]

17. Thank you I can not say how valuable shows of party unity like this are

[bravenak]

19. He is running as an independent for the Senate

I am going to donate to the Democrat to show my party unity

[azurnoir]

21. this year? I didn't know that thanks

besides aren't there plans to primary a Democrat against him, seems like I've read about that somewhere ?

[bravenak]

26. I never mentioned a year at all

Just that he is running as an indy and I am donating to the Dem

[azurnoir]

89. you do realize the VT Dem party has never before primaried anyone against Sanders

is this a revenge move?

[bravenak]

95. We are going after every non D Seat. Period. It us our duty to the party to fill seats with Ds

[azurnoir]

99. umm Skinner had something to say about that

If it's any consolation, I really think this is in a gray area. I do not know the exact details of Bernie Sanders' relationship to the Vermont Democratic Party. My understanding is that he never actually ran in a Democratic primary, although he may have won the Democratic nomination a few times without running for it. Whatever the specifics, there does seem to exist a tacit agreement to not give him any serious Democratic opposition. So the question of whether Bernie Sanders is a Democrat is something of a red herring -- he isn't a Democrat but when he runs for congress he has the support of the Democratic establishment in Vermont and Washington DC. And he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination. So for all intents and purposes he is a Democrat, and I don't really see why anyone on DU would consider his party affiliation to be a worthwhile argument. Having said that, I wouldn't have voted to hide this, as it seems to be a close-enough description of reality. But that's just my opinion.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598502#post1

[bravenak]

101. If there is a democrat running I will support the democrat. Period.

Independents can do their own independent thing.

[azurnoir]

104. well good for you I'm sure the people of VT will be duly appreciative

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I am willing to give him some space in the hope he does the right thing.

I hope he rewards my faith in him:

Bernie Sanders Says He Will ‘Certainly Support’ Hillary Clinton If She’s The Democratic Nominee

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

[bravenak]

20. I hope he does too but I no longer believe him

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. The convention isn't until 7/25

Let us hope he finds wisdom.

[bravenak]

34. Hope so

Seems to be getting worse, imo

[NurseJackie]

110. He's not even trying. Except ...

...maybe he's trying to make things worse for himself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. He has five more weeks.

[NurseJackie]

114. ...to try and divide and weaken the party?

...to encourage his fans to continue their smears an Hillary?

[phleshdef]

23. Bernie's ideological vision is superior to yours. I'm glad he is using any leverage he can muster...

...to try and pull the Democratic party back to its New Deal roots.

[bravenak]

31. The New Deal left black people out. Good thing I oppose a return to those times, unlike him, as you

Say he wants to go back there. I have no idea why you or he would ever want to go back there but I certainly don't want a return to blacks being left out of social security.

[phleshdef]

36. Black people were never explicitly excluded from social security.

And the Kennedy and Johnson administrations continued the New Deal and started making right the wrongs of institutionalized racial injustice.

But nice attempt to deflect the argument. You'll even shit on the New Deal. You have no business calling yourself a Democrat.

[bravenak]

43. Yes were most certainly were kept out

Not able to use GI bills with redlining. Domestics left out, which were mostly black WOMEN. You can try to play pretend but those provisions were in place to keep us out and a bit of reading would have explained that to you in detail. I shit on anything that is written in a way to keep my people from recieving the same benefits as others. My grandma was a black domestic who was left out. Are you saying she did not matter? That it was okay and she was not explicitely left out? Somehow her fault in some way that those white male legislators found a loop hole to fuck her over?

[phleshdef]

52. They were not left out of social security, which is what you said. And that was a lie.

There were other aspects of the New Deal that were discriminatory because we still had half of the party full of Dixie-crats. Thats still no reason to shit on the New Deal. The New Deal was the first big step into us becoming a greater society that provided for its people. It didn't start and end with FDR.

The fact of the matter is, we were the party of the New Deal until the 80s and some Dems thought it was be awesome to cram our mouths full of corporate cock and abandon the war on poverty. Sanders wants to hit the reset button on that and any true Democrat should want to as well.

[bravenak]

58. I said they were left out and they were

She never got her own SS, she got survivors benefits even though she was eligible for more. Years she was kept out because her husband was deported. She was disabled and this rewriting of history to try to make it seem like institutional racism did not keep blacks from fully participating in SS is sick and destructive.
I shit on it because as originally written it left MY FAMILY OUT. You can say we fixed it but it took years and we SUFFERED. So yes. I shit on the institutional racism of the drafters of that bill and this nation that refused to allow black to fully participate, TO THIS DAY, we still find ways to leave black folks out, even from FOOD STAMPS. Sell a bag of weed? Lose food stamps for LIFE. How to keep a black man off food stamps is easy. Arrest him for drugs. Boom. And lookie lookie. Isn't it strange that they made that law only after they ramped up the drug war. Good way to keep us from fully participating.

Y'all swear y'alls informed but refuse to actually study cause and effect.

[bravenak]

70. What a rude thing to say

[phleshdef]

84. You just defined 90% of your own posts.

[alittlelark]

85. I'm visualizing the drool as well.....

[edbermac]

117. Jury results

On Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:05 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm visualizing the drool as well.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2190177

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This comment is a cosign of the hidden comment above. This is tag team bullying at this point and this comment should be hidden just as the nasty comment is cosiged deservedly was. Calling the poster a incoherent drooler is a nasty personal attack and cosigning it is just as basty. Please hide.

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[alittlelark]

129. Thank You for posting that result.

After reading a few of the other posts I realize that this is not humorous, and not something to deal with on a message board...

Starting with this one and the replies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2189940

[CorkySt.Clair]

178. Proof Sanders supporters are still in firm control here

Despite protests to the contrary.

[Demsrule86]

230. True, but Monday is coming.nt

[Beowulf]

72. You do realize it was the Clinton

Crime Bill and Welfare Reform that made those matters you mentioned at the end worse.

[bravenak]

76. Bernie voted for that Crime Bill. Hillary had no vote. Bill is not running.

[Empowerer]

171. Please learn your history before accusing someone of lying

Bravenak is correct. Blacks were indeed left out of Social Security, not in explicit language, but in fact and by design.

The Social Security Act specifically excluded domestic and agricultural workers from their protections because Southern legislators refused to allow the passage of any social welfare policies that included black workers. When it was clear that these New Deal measures could not be passed without their votes, FDR acquiesced to their demands and agreed to the exclusion. This resulted in more than 60% of the black labor force remaining outside of the scope of protection of these laws. Self-employed black sharecroppers also were not eligible, so, in total, more than 75% of black workers were not covered by Social Security under the New Deal. NAACP General Counsel Charles Hamilton Houston testified at the time that “[the Social Security Act] looks like a sieve with holes just big enough for the majority of Negroes to fall through.”

Plenty has been written about this, but you can start here if you're interested in learning more about it: “Whitewashing Race: The Myth of the Color-Blind Society” by Michael K. Brown (2003).

[drray23]

255. That's terrible.

I am ashamed to say I did not know any of that. I grew up and was educated in my early years in Europe. maybe this was conveniently omitted from the curriculum. thank you for the reference. I knew about the farm loans which were denied disproportionately to black farmers.

[pnwmom]

74. Not explicitly but in reality they were. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

55. +1 (NT)

NT

[mcar]

28. It seems like he missed his moment

To really make demands. With the primary over, the media focus is fully on GE. And, of course, wit the tragedy here in FL and Don the Con's response to it, the media focus is on him as the R nominee, HRC as the D nominee and PBO.

[bravenak]

33. He should have negotiated before CA and got his deal then

Those huge losses at the end showed his mettle

[mcar]

41. I agree

Missed opportunity for him.

[panader0]

30. Bernie won over two fifths of the voters.

That is called CLOUT. Of course he'll use that to get more progressive ideas into our party.
What's so hard to understand?
Ignore him or tell him to "just go away" at your peril.
Over 12,800,000 voters disagree.

[bravenak]

32. It is called LOSING TO HILLARY

[panader0]

39. Ignore Bernie and his 12,800,000 voters at your peril.

Hey brave--we know HRC is the nominee--what are you trying to accomplish?
Get over yourself.

[bravenak]

44. He does not OWN those voters

They are free to vote for Hillary and MOST OF THEM ARE

[Eric J in MN]

54. Sanders' point is that he can't contol whom people vote for

...and that he's trying to get HRC to take positions which would get his supporters to support her regardless of what he says.

// The difference between HRC getting 70% of the votes of Sanders' supporters and getting 90% may be the difference between winning or losing in November.

[bravenak]

63. He is trying to control her message and force his changes on the party

Including me. He never asked me if I was interested in his changes and I AM NOT

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. I know, huh? ...

Bernie said it himself ... "I just can't snap my fingers and have my supporters support HRC" ... And, Bernie supporters keep telling Democrats how they don't trust and won't be voting for HRC ... But give me what I want or what? He won't deliver on what he said he can't deliver?

[bravenak]

81. It is truly truly confusing

He cannot force them personally to vote for her but somehow he controls millions of votes?

[pnwmom]

80. Why is he wasting that clout threatening to withhold an endorsement

from Hillary for things beyond her control?

Like the issue of open and closed primaries, which is decided by 50 different Democratic state parties under their own primary rules?

He appears to be either very ignorant or grandstanding and not acting in good faith.

[Autumn]

35. Nah, I think he's just pretending cause Hillary supporters are mean to him .

[bravenak]

37. You sure seem to think long and hard and deep about me

I do not like strangers thinking about me all the time.

[Autumn]

42. No I don't think anything about you but when you post about my candidate I will respond

That's how discussion boards work.

[bravenak]

45. I do not believe that

[Autumn]

51. Whatever. People post people respond, funny how it just works out that way.

[alittlelark]

87. Do you really think the DUer Autumn is 'thinking about you all the time'?

Do you really believe that?

You stated "I do not like strangers thinking about me all the time."

I gotta say, I find that disturbing. Do you think a lot of people think about you all the time?

[bravenak]

91. A lot of people do think about me constantly. I do not like strangers thinking about me constantly.

[alittlelark]

126. Okey Dokey then.....

...you do realize that that belief is kinda disturbing.

This is just a message board, and when people log off they might think about what they discussed, but not individuals that post....

That belief is something you should talk to someone about - and not on a message board.

[bravenak]

128. I see my name in bold print on message boards I do not use myself and never signed up at.

I took a look at the most famous one around here and watched as my name was used in bold. Very very scary for me that people talk about me in places I have never been before.

[alittlelark]

134. It sounds like you are 'putting yourself out there' to be noticed

Then acting upset when people notice you..... If you want to be anonymous - do so. If you wanna be seen do so.

I only post here, and do not mind 'putting myself out there' here. But I do not post inflammatory stuff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512149735

[bravenak]

150. You do know that it is that type of stuff that is the problem?

Getting all personal with posters and following them with links and getting emotionally involved? Creates a swarm effect where each person atacks another person one by one.
Then they start talking about them personally.
Then they become a bit obsessed with what other people say and do and lo and behold!
They are no longer discussing politics, they are discussing the personality of a stranger on a message board who really does not like that they think about them so much and so deeply and finds it strange as hell that they have a link farm of their posts.
I never click on the links anyway but they will follow me with them and think about me so much.
Which is scary.

[alittlelark]

155. I do not know how to respond to that...

All I will say is that maybe you should go outside for a walk and meditate for awhile.

[bravenak]

159. No thanks. You should take your own advice.

[alittlelark]

177. I did take my own advice right after I posted that.

I do it every evening... I find a spot, look at the cliffs and the sky, and contemplate....

I strongly suggest you try it - it provides perspective.

[bravenak]

183. You can feel free to stop discussing me and discuss the op at any time

[alittlelark]

184. The OP is not of interest to me to discuss....

I read thru the responses that I saw (1/2 on 'ignore'...). What really hit me was what you said about yourself

- that "A lot of people do think about me constantly. I do not like strangers thinking about me constantly."

Sorry, but that is what stuck, and that is the only reason I have been responding to you.

[bravenak]

185. I guess you prefer to discuss me.

Not surprised in the slightest. Proved my point

[alittlelark]

186. No longer... look inside yourself

No one can do that but you. You have a choice - Help Yourself or Continue to Hurt Yourself.

I do not know you, I will not claim any insight except what my education gives me of the words you type.

I wish you well.

[azurnoir]

208. Here's some flowers for just for you

[Autumn]

174. As she posts on a message board filled with strangers where what she says can be seen

and responded to by all the members

[alittlelark]

179. I am actually feeling some sadness about it

after really processing what she believes to be true - especially the

"A lot of people do think about me constantly. I do not like strangers thinking about me constantly." line.....

[ismnotwasm]

217. Bravenek has been the victim of the most obsessed posters--in numbers-- I have ever seen on DU

That's what's scary to watch, it's not "sad"--it's horrifying.

[VulgarPoet]

219. While a google search for her turns up a lot of vitriol (mostly @ Discussionist and DKos)

First page, there's this. http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360

Call me insane, or alert stalk me again(cause that happened last time I pointed this out), but if someone espouses anti-Semitic sentiment, it doesn't matter how many crocodile-teared apologies they post. Racists don't change, and they deserve to be called out for their reprehensible viewpoints.

While I actually can believe a lot of people think about her, I don't believe it's constant-- and I believe it's for good reason.

[840high]

169. Jesus H - did she really post that? Scary.

[alittlelark]

182. Yeah.... I get kinda worried when I see those kinds of posts.

I am hoping PUI (Posting Under the Influence) cuz that will go away in the morning.

[melman]

214. PUI

Always and very obviously so, but there seems to be much more to it than that.

[Demsrule86]

231. The primary is over. Bernie is no longer a candidate.

Time to move on to the General.

[Autumn]

232. Then move the fuck on. nt

[Demsrule86]

236. I was merely pointing out there are no candidates anymore.

I have moved on. You should too.

[Autumn]

244. Move on yourself dude. There is no other candidate I'm willing to support as of yet.

I'll move on when I'm good and ready.

[CBGLuthier]

53. Cute.

As I said elsewhere I hope he does not endorse her. Warren was a compromise enough.

[bravenak]

65. I really don't want him too either if it takes all this. Unnecessary

[jack_krass]

56. 1 day

left to bash Bernie. Get it all out of your systen.

And yes, he can (and should) make demands. He got >10M votes and won 22 states FFS.

[Eric J in MN]

59. 'does he even understand that the DNC does not control whether a state decides' on open primaries?

Yes, he does.

Sanders also wants the Democratic platform to support a ban on fracking. He knows the DNC can't unilaterally ban fracking.

[bravenak]

75. Does not seem like it since he demanded all open primaries from the DNC

[Eric J in MN]

92. Do you think Bernie Sanders believes that the DNC

...can unilaterally ban fracking?

He wants a fracking ban in the Democratic platform, too.

[bravenak]

96. I think he thinks we can force all open priamaries which I why I focused on that

You brought up fracking as a strawman, a topic I did not discuss in my op.

[niyad]

66. k and r

[SirBrockington]

67. Ransom is what I'd call it as well

...and it seems the threat of a 3rd party run has always been under the surface.
Adopt my platform or....... ~some form of retribution

[bravenak]

79. I would not put it past him

But he better clear up those fec violations

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. I really doubt he'll do the 3rd-party thing ... He said he wouldn't and doing so ...

would be political suicide, even if he managed to hold onto his Senate seat (without any Committee or Chair appointments) ... he would become the Mr. Irrelevant of the Senate.

[SirBrockington]

93. I think he's kind of done a number of things he said he wouldn't do

Beginning with not running a negative campaign...
I guess people can disagree on who "started it" first though

[bravenak]

100. He said it would be hypocritical for himself to run as a dem. He ran as a dem.

I have no faith in anything being an atheist an all. Wirds are wind. People say stuff. I watch what they do. Rarely matches their words.

[Ron Green]

233. "People say stuff. I watch what they do. Rarely matches their words."

And you support Hillary Clinton?

[SirBrockington]

73. Who's going to pay off his campaign debts?

I believe that $600,000 to Rome was not covered based on a recent FEC ruling.

If he gets bailed out, will that be due to big donors or big money influence.

The longer he stays in, the more debt is being created. I do believe he still has a large
staff since as of the last report before California he only cut half the staff.

I think Obama helped pay off Hillary's debt in 2008.

If the Clinton's or DNC don't help him, will a wealthy benefactor? And if he were to take
that money, would it then be a hypocritical thing to do?

[bravenak]

116. I hope nobody helps at this point until he learns how to treat people he might need later

[SirBrockington]

122. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out

[JonLeibowitz]

130. Please provide evidence of campaign debts, Sir 'Brock' ington.

It was a deliberate campaign decision of his, by the way, to never have less than $10 million cash in the bank. It's hard to be in debt when that is the case.

[SirBrockington]

137. I don't believe the $600,000 trip was allowed to be included

I believe his current personal wealth was stated as $500,000

[JonLeibowitz]

140. I don't really give a damn what you believe. Evidence counts.

So far you have presented zilch.

[SirBrockington]

148. Should I respond to your negative post with outreach so you'll vote?

I apologize if saying what I believe offended you. Please vote for Hillary (hat in hand) and I'll try not to offend you again kind sir.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/4/1534612/-Confirmed-Bernie-Sanders-Illegally-Used-Campaign-Funds-For-Overnight-Trip-To-Italy

[JonLeibowitz]

156. I have seen that, and it isn't evidence. It is, however, plagiarized conspiracy theory speculation.

There's no actual evidence of improper use of campaign funds, just assertions without any evidence of confirmation.

LOL, "hat in hand" -- I am supposed to be humble while voting for my oligarchical masters?

[SirBrockington]

157. What you chose to believe or not believe from the link is your business

[JonLeibowitz]

158. It's not a choice to believe, it is about the evidence being convincing.

"Politicade" is hardly a reputable source nor do they actually present any evidence.

[SirBrockington]

160. You want the last word? you got it

[Gothmog]

77. I am not willing to pay a ransom for Sanders support

Lets put Warren on the ticket and see what happens. Warren will be enough to do well with the sanders supporters if Sanders is going to be unreasonable

[bravenak]

103. I think you have the right idea

I think Warren would be a better pick than most others.

[Lazy Daisy]

94. You do realize

Bernie is one of those minorities you speak of? Or are we ignoring the historical disenfranchisement of Jews in this country and in the world?

[bravenak]

98. He seems to identify as a white male, regardless. Most Jewish voters voted for Hillary.

Like the rest of us minorities. They were included in the word MINORITIES.

[George Eliot]

102. Bernie didn't and doesn't play identity politics. What he wanted would have beneifted everybody.

[bravenak]

106. It would have benefitted some more than others and he had no plan to make it fair

He should have added affirmative action to his plans if he wanted my vote

[George Eliot]

172. Just read her "on the issues..." I wonder who wrote that for her?

If you think Bernie is against affirmative action, I think you're wrong. I doubt any democrat is against affirmative action although I wonder what you mean by affirmative action exactly? Bernie's free education would have achieved affirmative action and a lot more.

And really, I'll be just as interested as you to see what exactly she gets done on all these talking points. Funny, Bernie is always spoken of as pie in the sky promising the undoable and yet her list is much longer, much less precise and probably a lot less doable - 50% this, and 50% that. Really? And she wants to police social media to attain it? Are you for that?

[bravenak]

173. I think if he wanted our votes he should have made it apparent out loud that he was for it.

He would have had to be BETTER than her on the issues we care most about and have a concrete plan to put it in place.
Her list is longer yes. She can get alot of it done but I do not expect most or all. But she does LISTEN to us and has a relationship with us that spans YEARS and she maintains the relationship and repairs it and gives attention to our point of view specifically.
Bernie's free college would have made it so that in order to find spots fir all students there would need to be a bunch of new colleges immediately, or they would change the standards for entrance. That helps those who already have access to outstanding school get free college, it keeps those who are poor, which correlates with low scores OUT of the colleges. Which disproportionally harms Minorities. Which is why I said he should have stressed that it would be done in a way that had affirmative action applied.

[George Eliot]

175. No argument but anybody listening to Bernie and knowing his history knew it.

BTW, Michelle Alexander doesn't agree with you. She thinks you are bedazzled by a fantasy. You must disagree. Why?
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

[bravenak]

181. That thing where folks try to use one black person against the other needs to die.

I do not use Michelle Alexander to validate my vote and neither do I ask you to validate yours through the words of some great white liberal. It is unfair to do to me because the only thing that connects me to her is the color of our skin and the fact that we are women.
I do not need her to explain to me why she voted how she did and I do not need to explain why I disregard her view of black Hillary voters.
The only fantasy here that was engaged in was by her, and it was the very fact that the things she says about Clinton apply to Bernie as well. Her dislike for the couple clouded her view and blinded her to the reality that Bernie voted for that crime bill and wanted cocaine sentences raised to the level of crack sentences and that he took very tough on crime positions during his tenure as a leading politician of his state.
Nobody is perfect, but her imperfections blinded her to the reality of Bernie's imperfections and the politics in this nation at the time of the laws. Her research did not include an in depth examination of the era and the situations and the calls of the black commutity for a solution, any solution, to drugs and crime and intergenerational welfare and poverty. I should write it myself, honestly.

[George Eliot]

188. I don't think that's fair but it is what it is. She made an argument. It's not pitting...

But I appreciate your points. Yes, if you represent another side to her conversation, I think you should write it. I really do. I'd read it.

[Lazy Daisy]

121. Whatever

makes you feel better about spewing hateful garbage I guess.

[bravenak]

124. Apologizing usually makes me feel better. For others it makes them feel better to bash people

over and over until everyone knows they don't really care about the subject they are using as a club, they are just in need of a club and that one is mighty handy.,
Now, the purpose of this board is not for us to personally attack each other and those that cannot discuss the stated subject of the op, should maybe find something else to do with their time because their pettiness is obvious to all and sundry.

[Lazy Daisy]

136. Dr. heal thyself

My time is mine and I'll do what I want with it. I'm following the conversation where it goes.
Don't like what I say, then don't engage. Simple isn't it.

[bravenak]

143. Handle yours

[Lazy Daisy]

145. Not needed, but thank you for your concern

[bravenak]

147. Handle

[Lazy Daisy]

153. BARS

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[Warren DeMontague]

192. The only way he doesn't "identify" as Jewish is if he's an Atheist.

He certainly doesn't become a Christian by default.

In which case, as an Atheist, he's definitely a minority, just as much as Jews are.

[bravenak]

193. Him being an atheist does not change the fact of his heritage.Can't strip him of his Jewish Identity

I'm not understanding what you mean exactly. I'm not sure how most atheists voted, but most likely they won't vote Trump.

[Warren DeMontague]

194. I agree, the same logic applies to yours truly.

I mean, Hitler wouldn't have given a shit about my views on Theology or Buddhism or any of it.

But you said he "identifies as white male", implying that puts him in the majority. If we're including religion, it still doesn't, regardless of how he is seen to "identify".

Maybe I misunderstood what your point was, there. It's not real clear.

[bravenak]

196. Ahh!

I see. It's more of how he is viewed and treated here in the US, is what I was meaning. How he fits in to our social set up. I'm not sure he actually is an atheist, I think he seemed to reference a sort of belief system.

[NurseJackie]

107. Screw that!

[bravenak]

109. I really did not think it would get to this point.

I am not sure he knows he lost the primary

[NurseJackie]

111. One word: ego.

[bravenak]

113. A mighty big one at that

[The Wielding Truth]

166. Is it ego to want to work so hard for change that you ruffle a few feathers? He is working

for those who can not be heard. He is not giving in because the issues are bigger than who is or isn't the Presidential nominee. He is fighting for change in policies and the platform and the tender of our national politics.

If you have followed his life as those who do respect him so. You would and could not claim "ego".

Hillary is a fine woman and I hope she beats Trump, but so is Bernie also a fine man.

Democrats are our only hope to save our democracy.

[BobbyDrake]

119. Where's Liam Neeson when you need him?? nt

[bravenak]

120. I fucking love Liam Neeson

[AgingAmerican]

127. These hand wringing OPs crack me up

Always assigning allterior motives to everything Bernie does

[larkrake]

138. really frantic, almost-- clinically so

[alittlelark]

190. Start at this post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2189940


The Op is not in a good place....

[G_j]

168. yawn....,

[NanceGreggs]

187. So I have to ask …

Just who the fuck does Bernie Sanders think he is?

This man disparaged the Democratic Party his entire career. He then asked to run as a Democrat only because (his words) he couldn’t get the media attention he required for a presidential run unless he did so.

His entire campaign was replete with accusations against the Party he was allegedly running for, and became a never-ending whine-fest about how long-standing primary rules were “undemocratic” if they were not to his advantage.

His supporters and surrogates happily threw long-respected and revered Democrats under the bus if they deigned to endorse Hillary, and labelled every organization or group as “Establishment” (aka the Enemy) if they supported HRC rather than BS.

Despite KNOWING that he had no path to the nomination as of months ago, he persisted in pleading for donations on the basis that he could still win.

And now, not only does he refuse to acknowledge his obvious loss and concede, he is making demands of the very Party that he has consistently demeaned – the very Party that he only “joined” a year ago for the sole purpose of furthering his own political career.

Bernie Sanders is the houseguest from hell. Since cajoling his way into our home, he has done nothing but complain about how our household is run. And now he wants HIS instructions followed as to how HE wants things done before he will agree to vacate the premises.

At this point, it is laughable to deny that this whole situation is about Bernie’s own ego, his own sense of entitlement, his own stubborn refusal to accept any reality that doesn’t revolve around him and what HE wants, what HE thinks, what HE needs to satisfy his own delusions of grandeur.

[bravenak]

189. You know what? I agree.

Some folks are so puffed up with their own self importance that they will turn into the very authoritarians they say they oppose.

Remember those kooky vampire films where once you let them in your house they can come in anytime they want? That is what this reminds me of.

[teamster633]

191. Has any major party ever had to endure anything like this before?

[NanceGreggs]

195. Not to my recollection.

At this point, Bernie is a major embarrassment to himself, far more than to the Party.

[Cali_Democrat]

202. Brilliant post

[DesertFlower]

203. i've lost all respect i had for him.

[NanceGreggs]

204. Hi, sis!

[Number23]

211. "Just who the fuck does Bernie Sanders think he is?" Question of the freaking MILLENIUM

Your whole post is just

[lanlady]

248. excellent post, NanceGreggs

You perfectly expressed the evolution of my own thinking on Sanders. House guest from hell indeed! I don't want him speaking at our Convention. If Democrats take back the Senate (no thanks to him and his ephemeral movement), I don't want him to chair any committees. Let him sit in the corner, irrelevant.

[Cha]

197. I'm great without his endorsement, brave.. it is definitely time to move on without him.

Thank you so much for your OP.

This is what our Dems are doing now.. he's nowhere around..


The Democrats
✔ ‎@TheDemocrats
HAPPENING NOW: Senate Democrats are filibustering for common-sense gun reforms.
10:19 AM - 15 Jun 2016
716 716 Retweets 1,159 1,159 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/15/hate-will-not-win/

[bravenak]

198. Yep, me too

Trump is running around losing the campaign for republicans. It's like performance art. We can take the house if we work hard.

[Cha]

199. totally like performance art.. we can take the Senate and the House! thanks trump.

[bravenak]

200. I really do appreciate what he is doing for the democratic party

[ThinkCritically]

201. It's more likely a stepping stone to get his supporters to vote for her.

If he just up and endorsed her without getting concessions for his supporters then they most likely won't go vote for her. How about thinking outside the box for once man. She needs his voters and they won't vote for her unless she concedes to some liberal policies.

[Number23]

205. RANSOM. That's EXACTLY what the hell it is. A RANSOM

And I have absolutely no idea why anyone pays this man any attention whatsoever.

After getting his ass beaten spectacularly with a 80-20 loss in DC, I have no idea why he thinks he is entitled to absolutely anything. There's that word again -- entitled.

[bravenak]

206. It is way past time to ignore him

The fact that he really thinks we owe him something is astonishing. I'm tired of it.

[MFM008]

215. I have to admit

i dont get it.

[bravenak]

216. One more post and you hit 4000

Congrats!

[B Calm]

218. With close to 50% of registered voters feeling their party no longer represent them,

you'd think Hillary would be looking for ways to unite the party, not divide it.

[Demsrule86]

222. Bernie is the divider. He lost and still refuses to concede.

First of all, many who supported. Sen. Sanders were not Democrats. Secondly, a clear majority of Democrats did support and vote for Sec. Clinton. My last point is that WVA shows that some who voted for Sanders were Trump supporters who have no intention of voting for him in the general which is a great argument for closed primaries.

[B Calm]

237. Make that 51%

[MadBadger]

221. So did she. She wanted Obama to bail her out in 08'

[treestar]

224. K&R

Bernie needs to get a grip.

[Gothmog]

226. Sanders has to concede before convention if he wants prime time speech

[Gothmog]

249. Sanders needs to concede if he wants a prime time convention speech

[blackspade]

228. Your hatred seems to be getting the better if you.

You're starting to sound like my RW brother in law who just ruined our family reunion because my wife is a Hillery supporter. Intolerance comes in many forms.

[bravenak]

235. Thats ridiculous

[Orsino]

234. Crazed kidnapper demands progressive taxation and fewer wars.

Authorities acted quickly to intervene.

[krawhitham]

238. And how do you think she got the SOS job?

[femmedem]

245. I was kidnapped as a teenager, and I find the use of the word ransom in this context abhorrent. n/t

[bravenak]

247. I find many words abhorrent. Life bees that way.

Hell, just the word rape upsets my equilibrium but people still say rape and nobody cares that it bothers me.

[karynnj]

246. Let things take their course. Clinton has the nomination. The alternative is the very horrid Trump

I don't get your anger at this point. Why not celebrate HRC's win and POSITIVELY contrast HRC and Trump?

At this point, Clinton needs the Sanders supports - who as Bernie himself said are not controlled by him. What I see is that the millennial Sanders supporters are, at this point coming behind Clinton. At first reluctantly - they still are not comfortable with who HRC is. The understood very well that Bill Clinton took the party to the right with the DLC -- and HRC headed the DLC in 2006. They are to her left.

After this weekend, one wrote that at this point she would vote for a moldy sandwich over Trump and ... she was glad that she could enthusiastically vote for Clinton. She was a WA state district level delegate representing a district that went 28 - 0 for Sanders.

Look back at history -- ALL candidates go through a difficult period when they give up their dream. Howard Dean was on one of the shows speaking of how hard it was for him to publicly concede and that it took Al Gore speaking to him to make him do so. One STRANGE think is that he spoke as if he and Bernie were in similar situations. In fact, Dean conceded before he won a single state (he won VT after he did) and he ended with 154 delegates -- about a tenth of Bernie's. In addition, the WAY he conceded was as a quick part one to announcing the birth of DFA - to elect progressives.

Not to mention, he is now about at the same place Clinton was when she conceded 4 days after the last primary in 2008. It is true that she was quite a bit closer to Obama in pledged delegates -- but the primaries were at an end, no more contests -- and he had won.

If you do not know, Bernie has a scheduled call with his supporters. What do I expect? I expect that he will do EXACTLY what he said he would months ago. He will use his voice to add to that of other saying that Trump should not be President.

Now, I am sure that you would love him to shower HRC with praise, but I actually think it would be BETTER if he praises her - as he has in the past - as infinitely better than Trump. Think about it, Bernie's biggest asset with his supporters is that they consider him honest and trustworthy. If HE suddenly changed his position on - say HRC's hawkishness - he will lose that credibility and be rather worthless in persuading his supporters.

Now, I remember when the Clinton allies in 2004 - like Begala and Carville - were absolutely useless and counterproductive saying Kerry was just Anybody but Bush (even though that made no sense in a general election) and making snarky attacks on Bush. Think about that - the former diminished the Democratic candidate, while the latter turned off anyone on the fence. So, while they were cheered by the kool kids, they likely persuaded no one. Imagine if they looked at JK's record - in 2008, they spoke of children's health care as the biggest accomplishment of HRC, who advocated for it as first lady -- Kerry wrote the precursor bill with Kennedy. Yet, not one word was said about that -- or that he had a 96 lifetime environmental score from LCV - the highest at that point in the entire Senate. So - no, I am not suggesting that Sanders lead a "anybody but Trump" call.

What I hope Bernie does is to highlight the many areas where he and HRC pretty much agree - at least in the direction to go. In addition, he can very favorably contrast HRC to Trump -- without saying anything he does not wholeheartedly believe.

[MillennialDem]

251. I'm not a straight white male. Don't act like all Bernie supporters are or that we all

support patriarchy.

[bravenak]

252. Did I ever say ALL? That is a straw-man.

You said all, I never did.

[MillennialDem]

253. I said you're acting like all do (or that the movement as a whole does) when that's a load

of crap.

That's not the same thing as saying that you said all individual supports ACTUALLY support it (as opposed to acting like they do. there is a difference).

[bravenak]

254. I'm not acting like anything

People are reading things into things that I did not write into them. I would specififally write it in on purpose if I meant all or thought all or wanted you to think I meant all.