If Bernie does not concede and endorse Hillary, then he does not get to speak at the convention.

[Yavin4]

If he won't do that, then he does not get to speak at the convention. He lost fair and square. He lost by a much wider margin than Hillary did in 2008, and she conceded and endorsed Obama prior to the convention.

Bernie has every right not to concede, but he does not have a right to speak at the convention.

[BootinUp]

1. K & R

[gordianot]

2. Just make Bernie wear a large scarlet "L".

That would show him.

[OnDoutside]

135. Is that for his supporters, because everyone else knows it ?

[gordianot]

136. Your choice very close to half the Democratic Party.

Guess I could also get one but have no regrets.

[OnDoutside]

137. If the 'L' fits ...

[gordianot]

140. Better than an "A" (not Hawthorne's original meaning)

I reserve that for the presumptive winner supporters on DU as opposed to her supporters in the real world. They have very different attitudes.

[Hortensis]

166. The OP doesn't sound good to me at all.

[ZombieHorde]

3. Is this a rule they actually have,

or are you just making stuff up?

[Yavin4]

4. No rule, but Hillary, as the presumptive nominee, controls the convention.

As with ALL presumptive nominees, they're not going to let someone speak who does not full endorse the nominee.

To the victor goes the spoils.

[ZombieHorde]

16. Maybe.

Trump's numbers keep falling, so she could probably afford to act that way, but I don't know if she is that immature. I would be surprised if she did something that petty.

[BootinUp]

19. Preventing someone from basically calling you a corrupt corporatist at your

nominating convention is hardly being petty.

[ZombieHorde]

28. He's not going to do that.

That's just primary talk, which is like pillow talk in that both are based in the passion of the moment, and if you're a cynic, manipulation.

Everyone is going to be buddy-buddy again after it's all over.

[BootinUp]

34. So how about a preview? lol.

[ZombieHorde]

38. Ha!

We might be getting one already if his plan is to focus on how shitty Trump is.

[Demsrule86]

81. sure he would

You can't trust the guy...and he would go after the Democratic Party as well...no way.

[ZombieHorde]

105. My ouji board says otherwise.

Just kidding. I guess we'll see what happens.

[Demsrule86]

143. We shall see.

I saw conjuring II with my kid on Tuesday... threw my ouija board away...now burning sage...and hanging crosses...hehe.

[ZombieHorde]

168. I loved the first one but I don't think I saw 2 yet.

I love horror movies.

[Demsrule86]

144. I love your change picture

I volunteered for Obama in 08 and 12 (never really stopped after 08) and I have a similar poster. He is the best and will go down in history as one of our greatest presidents...right up there with FDR and Johnson.

[ZombieHorde]

169. Thank you. :)

It's a Lovecraft reference. I love his stories.

[peace13]

76. You must be so proud to support someone...

...with such worries. Corrupt corporatist who'ld a thunk it!

[BootinUp]

79. Enjoy reading your favorite propaganda, matters not to me. nt

[kayakjohnny]

158. !

[merrily]

176. I call BS. Got a link to a quote from Bernie?

[brush]

110. It's more a matter of Sanders' immaturity and lack of graciousness if he doesn't concede . . .

as every other runner-up has always done in the past.

It's normal and customary to make this expected conciliatory gesture — you know, lose with grace.

What's up with him? Why is this such a huge hurdle for this guy to get over? He lost fair and square.

[floriduck]

69. Link? Are you a friend of Hillary's?

[Orsino]

75. To the victor goes the responsibility...

...for winning all the support she can get. How much does she want to bargain for?

[Demsrule86]

82. No, If Benie doesn't concede by then

It is cut your losses time...one vote and out Sanders goes.

[Orsino]

174. Well, we'll see how badly our candidates want to make it work.

The revenge fantasies involving a naked Sanders being dragged through the streets of Philly are about as unlikely as those of a Sanders strapped with explosives demanding DWS' head and two national health services to be named later.

I think we'll find we end up with a more progressive platform and a whole lot of Sanders supporters buying Clinton bumper stickers, because Clinton is smart enough to woo the demographics she wants to win bigger.

[anigbrowl]

164. This isn't a good negotiating strategy

Bernie's supporters will be influenced by him, naturally, but he can't treat them like bargaining chips. TBH if he and Clinton reached some sort of impasse and Sanders ran 3rd party or pointedly didn't cooperate with her, I feel like he'd take no more than 25-30% of his constituency with him.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. The latter.

My guess is that Sanders will in fact give a speech. we will then have another peculiar sore winner temper tantrum here.

[eastwestdem]

22. Several Democrats have been on the cable networks saying the same thing.

Candidates don't speak until there is a nominee, and then on the final night of the convention, the nomination is made and that person speaks.

[SFnomad]

45. Actually, the roll call and delegate voting is usually done on the penultimate evening

Also, "candidates" may speak before there is a nominee ... like Senator Clinton had a principal speaker role on the second evening of the Democratic National Convention back in 2008, the day before the roll call vote. But you're right, the Nominee, in this case Senator Obama, didn't speak until the last evening of the convention, where he "accepted" the nomination, which is typical.

[Lord Magus]

60. She wasn't a candidate at that point.

Hillary had already dropped out and endorsed Obama months before the convention. That's the difference. If Bernie is still an active candidate, he's not going to be given a speaking slot at the convention.

[SFnomad]

65. She may have "dropped out" of the race, but she was still a candidate

Her name was placed in nomination for President along with Senator Obama. It's not something that happens at every convention.

And when they got to New York in the roll call vote, Senator Clinton "suspended the rules" of the nomination to have Senator Obama nominated by acclamation.

[Demsrule86]

83. She had conceded and endorsed so she was not a candidate...thus Bernie

has ruined it for himself...he can't speak unless he drops out.

[geek tragedy]

51. if there are multiple candidates seeking the nomination, they each get 20 minutes

for their supporters to argue on their behalf. The order/timing in which they speak is determined by the DNC head and the chair of the convention.

See page 15.

http://www.demrulz.org/wp-content/files/Proposed_Draft-2016_Call_for_the_Convention_8_23_14.pdf

The convention runs from the 25-28th

On the 27th the Vice-Presidential nominee will give an acceptance speech (after being nominated by voice vote).

On the 28th, the presidential nominee will give the acceptance speech.

The 25th and 26th are up for grabs, but Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren (if she's not the VP candidate), President Obama, and former President Clinton will all get primetime speaking slots.

A primetime speaking slot in the first two nights is very scarce real estate, and it goes to team players only.

[Demsrule86]

85. Sorry...that does not apply when she has the majority of pledged delegates...if there was a tie

But there is not.

[geek tragedy]

88. well, since she controls a majority of delegates she can make the rules what she wants them to be

it's her party, he's a guest

[Demsrule86]

146. Good point

I am sure she will...she is brilliant.

[ZombieHorde]

102. Thanks. :) nt

[Demsrule86]

80. No concession then no speech.

The winner makes the rules...come Wednesday...Hillary become the official nominee and Bernie is the also ran.

[panader0]

101. The delegates need to vote before she can be anything more than the presumptive nominee.

[Demsrule86]

120. Then I guess Bernie does not speak.

Only the Nominee speaks after the vote. Ah well, I have heard enough.

[Demsrule86]

147. Let them vote but keep in mind...he can't speak before they vote as he is a candidate

and afterwards ...only the nominee speaks usually.

[Fla Dem]

177. It's protocol. No candidates still vying for the nomination gets to speak before the vote.

They can have a surrogate speak, but I don't believe any candidate has ever made a stump speech at a convention. Once a party nominee has been chosen, other candidates don't get to speak, they are no longer relevant. It's the nominee's time to stand in the spotlight.

[Fozzledick]

5. You don't get to decide.

He has every right to have his delegates vote. Who died and made you king?

[Yavin4]

7. I don't but Hillary does.

She's not going to let someone who has not endorsed her speak at the convention.

[Fozzledick]

13. Is that your idea of democracy?

[Yavin4]

26. Yes. She won a clear majority of the delegates over 50+ primaries and caucuses n/t

[Fozzledick]

39. What's that got to do with supressing free speech and dissent?

[mythology]

87. Oh for god's sake. This isn't a free speech issue

Sanders could go stand outside and make a speech without the government telling him he can't. That's free speech. There is no requirement that a private entity give him a microphone. Just like the ADL or the NAACP isn't required to let a white supremacist have a microphone.

You can stand on the sidewalk and call me an asshole, but I'm not required to let you do so in my house.

Claiming free speech is being violated displays a stunning lack of understanding of what a free speech violation is.

[Chasstev365]

116. Don't bother: They will NEVER hear you!

[reformist2]

66. Apparently, a dictator is ok, so long as he/she is democratically* elected?

* And let me state that I in no way believe that Hillary even came close to actually winning anything.

[Jester Messiah]

154. Saddam routinely got 100% of the vote.

All fair & square!

[Demsrule86]

86. Absolutely yes...

The loser should not get the goodies...he lost in a Democratic primary.

[brush]

112. It's normal and customary. Every other runner-up has conceded.

He still has a chance to do the honorable thing, but time is running out.

What's the deal with him? He lost. He should lose with grace.

[brooklynite]

11. Who's denying them the right to vote?

There's ALWAYS a rollcall vote. It's the highlight of Wednesday evening.

[Fozzledick]

18. Isn't that the whole point of pushing for a concession before the vote?

[brooklynite]

25. Nope...they'll still do the full roll call.

[Fozzledick]

35. So why all the hysteria whining for Bernie to drop out?

Are people afraid the roll call won't go the way they want?

[grossproffit]

84. Hillary @ 57:10 says it all. Pure class. She's an inspiration to me and millions of others.

[Agnosticsherbet]

109. His delegates will be counted. The issue is a speaking gig

At the convention.

The voting is over. Clinton won. The Democratic party convention is not a place to campaign against another Demicrat.

[imagine2015]

6. Threats and intimidation don't work with Bernie and his supporters. He has a backbone and is not a

weak candidate like Clinton.

We're strong progressives, not cowardly centrist Democrats or right-wing Trumpits.

[Yavin4]

8. It's not a threat. It's what happens.

The nominee controls the convention. You don't allow people who have not endorsed you speak.

[Scootaloo]

141. And Yavin4 is not the nominee

Stands to reason then, that it will not be your decision, will it?

[brooklynite]

30. "weak candidate"...

[TwilightZone]

36. "weak candidate"

Love this one. The weak candidate who handily beat the strong candidate in every measurable way.

57/43 in any other context is a blowout. Weak, indeed.

[KPN]

50. +1!

[Demsrule86]

121. What does that make Bernie if such a weak candidate

beat Bernie like a drum?

[Orsino]

9. Some folks will only be happy if he grovels and apologizes.

Your revenge fantasy is at least more humane.

[geek tragedy]

37. it's not groveling to acknowledge arithmetic nt

[KPN]

58. You are right under ordinary circumstances. Buty these aren't ordinary

circumstances. Bernie's campaign was a serious, almost successful challenge to the Democratic Party establishment's candidate of choice; a challenge that, if successful, would have been fatal to the establishment. For Bernie to congratulate Hillary on a hard fought win now would indeed be groveling for him and his followers. It takes courage to challenge the establishment in any venue, but especially in this one. Courageous people don't grovel, especially courageous leaders which Bernie unquestionably is.

He will concede and congratulate when the time is right. When will that be? Probably not until the convention and even then only if their have been adequate concessions to assure those who want real change that there will indeed be change.

[geek tragedy]

63. he was not almost successful, and showing grace and maturity is not groveling.

it's showing grace and maturity.

I do not expect the junior Senator from Vermont to show grace and maturity.

[KPN]

165. Grace and maturity? Listen ...

the whole systems stacked against the common person. This is a fight for the economic as well as the social well being of the common person. The primary system itself is stacked against that. Bernie will show grace and maturity when the time is right. He showed grace and maturity throughout his campaign ... certainly to the same extent as Hillary, but in my view more.

Stop being a sore winner why don't you.

[Raster]

46. The Hillarians here at DU will settle for nothing less than Senator Sanders...

...crawling on his knees up to the main podium where he must profess his undying fealty and loyalty and kiss the Ring of Power... and apologizes for interfering with the will of the Clinton. Amends must be made! Examples must be set.

One pantsuit to rule them all, with elastic waste to bind them...

[Demsrule86]

107. Concede and endorse or at least concede...get it over. nt

[Demsrule86]

148. Groveling would help of course...pleading piteously too...some sobbing...yeah that would work. nt

[ymetca]

10. Ha ha...

If they don't let him speak from the podium he'll be speaking from somewhere. It would be utterly stupid not to let him speak, even if half the crowd remains stone-faced.

[Sheepshank]

14. I hear the rules are such that those still in the race cannot speak at the Convention

so he must withdraw himself from the race to get a speaking slot. At least that's how I remember it explained by Chris Hayes.

[Demsrule86]

124. I heard several Dem leaders say the same thing. nt

[Sivart]

15. Conceding alone is not enough?

You are demanding the endorsement, as well?

Interesting.

I don't know about you, but from my experience, if I am at the point where I am demanding or basically blackmailing someone into endorsing me, I know I must have fucked something up somewhere along the way. Demanding and endorsement is an oxymoron unto itself.

As a Sanders supporter, I could not care less about him giving a speech at the convention. He doesn't need a career launching speech like Obama gave.

I think Clinton supporters have seen the rallies all this time and don't want Sanders to upstage Clinton, or the Sanders crowd to upstage the Clinton crowd.

[geek tragedy]

43. Senator Sanders has not conceded or even acknowledged that Secretary Clinton has won nt

[Sivart]

47. I did not claim that he had....

I was just responding to the original post in this thread, which appears to be demanding not just a concession, but also an endorsement.

[geek tragedy]

53. people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking spots

that's how things work.

if Sanders refuses to support the nominee, he sure as heck will not and should not be granted the extraordinary honor and privilege of addressing the convention

[Sivart]

57. That would be perfectly fine with me......

But we both know that is not going to be fine with Clinton. While her supporters on this site may feel as though Clinton does not need a single Sanders supporter's vote, Clinton knows better.

I get it. It must be very frustrating to have so many people within the democratic party unhappy with the selection of Clinton. Blackmailing Sanders into and endorsement is not the solution you are looking for.....trust me.

Endorsements should not be forced. This is common sense.

Who cares if Sanders speaks at the convention? I sure as hell don't. Him doing so or not doing so will not change my opinion of Clinton one bit.

[geek tragedy]

59. that's fine, no one's forcing him to endorse, he probably won't, and she doesn't need

his endorsement--she's already leading Trump without it.

it's not a matter of force--he certainly doesn't need a speaking spot

But, he doesn't get to have his cake and eat it too, he has to give in order to get

[Sivart]

62. But Sanders is not demanding a speaking spot sans endorsement......

This all stems from the original post here, not from anything Sanders is demanding.

[geek tragedy]

64. so we all agree then, no endorsement, no concession, no convention speech

everyone wins

[Sivart]

67. No clue how you got that from what I wrote, but whatever.....

The only thing I will agree on is that Sanders still has Clinton supporters nervous. I don't get why they are still concerned about Sanders. She has the nomination.

[geek tragedy]

70. not concerned, just pissed off at his selfish behavior nt

[Sivart]

72. Selfish because he wont endorse????

Do you know what the word ENDORSE means?

He shouldn't do it if he doesn't mean it, and you should not want it if he doesn't mean it. An endorsement BY DEFINITION needs to be genuine. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.

If you want Sanders supporters to vote for Clinton, maybe Clinton should do something about that?

I am a Sanders supporter 100 percent, but if Clinton wants my vote, a Sanders endorsement is not how to get it.

[geek tragedy]

74. selfish because he can't even bring himself to acknowledge

the will of a majority of primary voters, he prefers to pretend the 17 million Clinton voters didn't exist.

To Sanders, no one matters if they didn't vote for him.

[Sivart]

90. I don't think that is the case at all......

I have not heard one word from his mouth that could be taken as him pretending Clinton voters don't exist.

And sanders has said and acknowledged FROM DAY ONE voters who vote against him. He has always encouraged voting, even when the votes are against him.

[geek tragedy]

93. That's the point, you haven't heard one word from him about the people who voted for Clinton.

Lots of talk about independent voters and young voters and how special/important they are, not diddly about women voters, African-American voters, registered Democrats.

[Sivart]

95. Your statement is verifiably false.

And so far from the truth that you are no longer worth my time.

Sanders has mentioned women, African Americans, and Democrats during his campaign so many times on camera that your statement is nothing other than a straight up lie.

[geek tragedy]

97. he mentions women and African-Americans as causes, but not as voters nt

[Sivart]

100. Example, please???

Can you please show me an example of what you are talking about?

Because it sounds like some stupid bullshit that you just made up. Women and African Americans ARE PEOPLE. Please show an example where Sanders has referred to women and african americans as something less than people.


Such bullshit.

[Demsrule86]

149. He has not conceded.

[noiretextatique]

17. Interesting

Choice for Sanders.

[imagine2015]

20. How would you like a convention walk-out of 2,000 if he isn't allowed to speak in prime-time?

On prime-time TV!

And they can join the thousands outsides demonstrating against the oligarchy and the billionaire class control over the government and economy.

Bernie has a strong political hammer and isn't afraid to use it against big corporations, Wall Street and all their benefactors and apologists. Haven't you learned that from his campaign?

Do you support the oligarchy?

[msongs]

24. let em walk out. and good riddance. bernie can still vote billions for his war machine corporate

buddies afterwards

[MineralMan]

48. If that happens, alternate delegates will take their places.

You knew about alternate delegates, right? They live to be upgraded to full delegate status. That's why they agree to be alternates. If Bernie's pledged delegates walk out, enough alternates will be upgraded to make a quorum for the convention and the vote will still occur.

[w4rma]

91. Alternate delegates who would all be very loyal Bernie alternate delegates.

You really have some authoritarian fantasy.

[MineralMan]

94. Perhaps. Where feasible, alternates are selected who

share the pledged delegate voting intentions. However, when such alternates are not available, an alternate will still be seated. It doesn't matter really. If every pledged delegate for Bernie votes, or the alternate votes in the same way, Hillary will still have almost 400 pledged delegates more than Bernie.

An act of defiance by walking out will change absolutely nothing. It would be a futile gesture and an ugly one, too.

The people have voted, and the pledged delegates have been allocated accordingly. There it is. Hillary won.

[Demsrule86]

108. I seriously doubt that would happen

Delegates are the most loyal Democrats and those are mostly who the delegates are. So if Sanders wants a walk out...then bar the door...out they go.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Sez who? You?

[Yavin4]

33. Says the nominee

You don't allow someone who has not endorsed you to speak at the convention.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Is that a rule?

[Raster]

118. You want to provide a link to back up your assertion?

Can you provide ANYTHING to substantiate your statements? And now, you speak with the authority of the DNC and Hillary Clinton?

[Adrahil]

23. I agree.

At least he won't get a prime time slot.

If he wants a good spot, he's got to be on board. We'll see just how stubborn and self-centered he is, I guess.

[Stallion]

27. He Also Needs to Reaffirm his Long Term Commitment to the Democratic Party

Democrats should not allow a Convention commercial for the formation of a third party

[Raster]

29. You run the convention now, huh? You make the rules?

Just a tad bit full of yourself, eh?

[rhett o rick]

31. How un-Democratic. Why do you fear him speaking. Democrats should not support

censoring someone that clearly is supported by millions of Democrats. Whose convention is this? Not the DNC, it's for all Democrats, even those that won't pledge fealty to H. Clinton.

The Corporate Wing of our Party want to silence the millions that have come out to support free and honest elections and government. They want a corporate appointed president.

[geek tragedy]

55. people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking slots

that's the rule.

Ask Jerry Brown.

[Worldly Traveler]

71. What the....

There is no nominee until a vote is taken at the convention!

[geek tragedy]

73. keep on telling yourself that nt

[bunnies]

32. I didnt realize we had so many ranking members of the DNC on DU.

Maybe we should ask skinner to start a group for all of you?

[Sivart]

40. Demanding and endorsement completely negates the meaning of the endorsement

If you do not realize this, then you are not intelligent enough to be blackmailing people.

[99Forever]

41. Fucking brilliant!

That will surely win me over.

Hoo-fucking-ray for "party unity."

[blackspade]

42. Fortunately, not your call....

[swhisper1]

49. I think he should suspend, not conceed. God knows if she will survive Trumps onslaught

[Demsrule86]

150. Bernie will never be the candid te...and it is he who could not survive Trump. nt

[NurseJackie]

52. Speaking roles are for team players.

[highprincipleswork]

54. Oh the nastiness. To what end? And the illusions of power. Is this what we get with Hillary and

her supporters.

[swhisper1]

56. why would Bernie want to speak? other than cheerleading aganst Trump, what would he say?

His summit speech said it all. Having delegates gives him the option to speak, but they wont force him to. More likely the concessions hinge on him speaking about the GE, and support for Hill. He is a wise man.

[JackRiddler]

61. Thanks, Debbie. Or whoever you are. Boss of all things.

I didn't realize you post here.

[floriduck]

68. I missed the link for this. Please forward.

[chillfactor]

77. either bernie is a true Democrat or he is not....

Hillary has won.....his unwillingness to concede and endorse Hillary exhibits second-grade behavior...

[Demsrule86]

151. I vote not based on the bunker basement podcast and Weaver's remarks.

[ThinkCritically]

78. Says you?

[Logical]

89. So this is some bullshit rule you just made up I assume? nt

[hack89]

113. No. The convention belongs to the presumptive nominee

Like every one before. Hillary will have absolute control on who speaks.

[Logical]

139. Nope ,you said "then he does not get to speak at the convention", not Hillary. ????

[hack89]

171. Hillary speaks when she gives her acceptance speech

There are no campaign speeches.

[TeamPooka]

92. It would just be the same old speech anyway. He could have said anything new yesterday

and the TV networks would have kept him on the air.

[Beacool]

96. That will be up to the party and Hillary.

I doubt that Sanders will be denied his moment in the sun, even if a concession has to be pried out of him with pliers. Neither Hillary nor the party want to lose the voters who supported Sanders. They are needed, not just to win the presidency, but also to retake the Senate, add more seats in the House and elect Democrats at the state level.

[zappaman]

98. who?

[AgingAmerican]

99. Good luck with your fantasy

[bravenak]

103. Thank you

I agree fully

[Qutzupalotl]

104. I don't think he cares about speaking there or not.

His focus now is on getting the party to adopt liberal positions, and encouraging his supporters to run for office.

[Demsrule86]

123. I think he cares about making a speech with wall to wall coverage that he does not have to pay for.

[Qutzupalotl]

153. He's spoken at debates, but is now looking for action

in the form of the party adopting progressive policies. That's better than any number of words from anyone.

[HERVEPA]

106. I missed the announcement where you are head of the DNC or Hillary's election committee.

Allow me to offer my congratulations.

[d_legendary1]

111. Hey Debbie? Zat you?

[hack89]

115. Hillary's rep has replaced Debbie- remember?

It is Hillary's convention .

[Yavin4]

125. The nominee controls the convention not the DNC chair.

Hillary is not going to allow a speaker to bash her at the convention.

[hack89]

172. I know nt

[leeroysphitz]

114. lol YOU have no say in the matter. I betchya 10 bucks he DOES speak with or WITHOUT

endorsing.

[Demsrule86]

126. He won't

Already he is viewed as a laughing stock...it will only get worse...once Hillary figures out that he is of no use to her, she will cut her losses...the bunker podcast probably did it.

[MFM008]

117. It IS unprecedented for this situation

going into a convention.
Yeah it happened between Carter and Kennedy and look how that turned out.

[Yavin4]

119. Conventions have become a 4 day political ad

Dems learned from '68 and '80 that having an ugly, contentious convention hurt them in the GE. Every speaker/speech is going to be screened for maximum positive impact.

Remember the Republican convention in 2012? Remember Clint Eastwood? Nobody vetted his speech and look how that turned out.

[Demsrule86]

129. This is why I say no speech and no visible role

Let him put his name in nomination like the sore loser his is...he is then done...and can hang around trying to pretend he is relevant. He won't do the stuff that would help Hillary in the general so no need to kiss his derriere.

[XRubicon]

122. And he shouldn't be allowed to caucus with Democrats in the Senate

He is free to not endorse and continue the "revolution" forever... however he needs to feel the consequences of the bern.

[Demsrule86]

131. I agree...he won't be any use anyway...because he will be a sore loser there too.

[CBGLuthier]

127. Some of you will not be happy until he prostrates himself fully on the floor and kisses her

ass. Not going to happen.

[Demsrule86]

152. Kissing feet would probably work ...I won't hold out for the ass. I believe in compromise. nt

[bobthedrummer]

128. Sure, just like the examples set by totalitarian Central Party Committees, et al

New Democrats might be ok with that-not me Yavin4--by the way Bernie carried 71 of the 72 counties in my state in April he is going to speak at the convention regardless of what you or anyone else demands.

[Demsrule86]

130. I don't care about what he did in your state...he lost in mine

And he won't speak unless he concedes and endorses...no pixie dust will make it happen.

[bobthedrummer]

132. Civil War then is ok with you?

[Demsrule86]

142. The point is this is not horseshoes

He lost and is owed nothing. Clinton gets to decide who does what at the convention...and it has pissed me off but good that the first woman nominee is bossed around by Bernie Sanders.

[Yavin4]

133. Hyperbole much!

The Democratic party is a private political party. It's not the government.

[bobthedrummer]

134. It seems an apt comparison to many of US in Wisconsin, old friend. n/t

[aikoaiko]

138. I'm not sure he has a "right" to speak at the convention either way. Its an invitation only thing.

Are there actual party/convention rules about this or is this just a practice?

[Demsrule86]

156. I head on several talk shows that if he does not concede and endorse...

he can't speak. I would think he has to concede the way it works..endorsing well that is probably up to the nominee Sec. Clinton. I would not give him a chance to run Hillary and the Democratic party down.

[B Calm]

145. Bwahaha...

Tell that to the millions of voters who voted for him and the thousands of protestors outside the convention.

[Hotler]

155. And I thought Republicans were selfish.

stay classy.

[Demsrule86]

159. They are. Hillary supporters are fair however and classy as is our candidate who has been very

nice to Bernie...more than he deserves really.

[Hotler]

161. .......

[Jester Messiah]

157. Yeah, says you.

But you're in charge of exactly two things: Jack and Shit. And Jack just left town.

[Smarmie Doofus]

160. What if 2000+ delegates walk out? nt

[SaschaHM]

162. Bernie doesn't even have 1900 delegates. He's not going to be anywhere near 2000.

That being said, if all the Sander's delegates decided to walk out, outside of it being a publicity hit, it wouldn't affect the proceedings of the convention. The Clinton campaign has a majority of the delegates and that is the only thing necessary for business continue.

If anything, Sanders delegates walking out would be detrimental to their candidate, because he does need people there to vote for platform and rules changes that he endorses.

[Yavin4]

167. You will lose all leverage and may force Hillary to move further right to make up for the loss.

Given Trump's historically bad numbers, Hillary has opportunities to woo Republican voters to her side, and if Bernie's supporters walk out, you will lose all leverage with her and the Democratic party.

[SaschaHM]

163. Ed Rendell, convention host, has said just as much.

This thing is tightly controlled by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, speakers included. Unless it's some endorsement/unity speech from Sanders, why would anyone want something other than that to be a lasting image from the convention?

[Maru Kitteh]

170. Let him bablle at some pigeons in the park if he can't keep his word.

[Gothmog]

173. Trump needs to concede if he wants to speak

[Orsino]

175. New rule: anonymous Internet posters don't get to invent new rules. n/t

[Yavin4]

178. It's not a new rule. It's standard.

The presumptive nominee controls the convention.

[Orsino]

180. Our presumptive nominee is smarter than that, and not as petty. n/t

[2banon]

179. ...

[Chan790]

181. If Sanders doesn't speak at the convention...

it only hurts Hillary, not Sanders.

He'll speak elsewhere and that will be the public and media attraction, taking air out of the convention.

Want to lose in November, Clintonites? Keep going the way you're going. It's a road to Hell paved with something other than good intentions...it's hard to see what you're marching on from this vantage-point, but it looks like hubris.

[pdsimdars]

182. Who says so? You? You arranging who speaks and who doesn't? that's a made up fantasy