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insta8er

(960 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:40 AM Jun 2016

Barney Frank: Scrap superdelegates, end caucuses

Count former Rep. Barney Frank among the prominent Democrats who would like to see their party ditch superdelegates and back off from caucuses.
Frank, who now serves as co-chairman of the Democratic National Convention Rules Committee, says that in his current role, it’s his job to foster a fair debate as the party rethinks its process for picking presidential candidates, but he also admits that he has his own set of preferences for which way the party should go. Specifically, he opposes the prominent role “ex-officio delegates” (commonly known as “superdelegates”) have in the Democratic nominating process.

“I said repeatedly this spring that I believed it would be unacceptable for the votes of ex-officio delegates to overrule the outcome of the primaries and caucuses. While this will not happen this year, and has in fact never come even close to happening since the change was instituted, I support doing away with even the possibility of this before our next nomination contest,” Frank wrote in a letter to Maine state Rep. Diane Russell, who submitted an amendment to Frank and Leticia Van De Putte — Frank’s co-chair on the rules panel — that would eliminate superdelegates.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/barney-frank-superdelegates-caucuses-224771

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Barney Frank: Scrap superdelegates, end caucuses (Original Post) insta8er Jun 2016 OP
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Barney is a smart man. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #2
He's right. Also SDs can front load their commitments to a candidate... aikoaiko Jun 2016 #3
that's what happened this year, front loading made Sanders AntiBank Jun 2016 #10
No, it didn't. The people still decided, and decided handily, for Clinton Tarc Jun 2016 #16
they certainly aided it, but the primaries are over and I am voting against Trump (thus marking AntiBank Jun 2016 #18
I sport that position. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #4
Frank's a very intelligent politician. If he thinks Hortensis Jun 2016 #5
And..closed primaries. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #6
Scrap open primaries. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #7
Agree, "and...closed primaries." Exclusive clubs do not promote democracy. George Eliot Jun 2016 #13
Frank obviously doesn't understand that the DNC no control of states choice to caucus. Exilednight Jun 2016 #8
I'm quite sure he does know this DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #9
Who's going to pay for it? Exilednight Jun 2016 #11
I agree with Barney Frank OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #12
Scrap cauceses, limit superdelegates to elected Senators, Congresspeople and Governors...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #14
And they cannot commit until the convention! nt Logical Jun 2016 #15
So, no members of Congress can endorse, introduce, promote, etc., candidates during the primaries? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #20
I'd trade in the superdelegate system in exchange for no caucuses and closed primaries Tarc Jun 2016 #17
semi-closed, w/ no "double voting" (meaning voting i multiple primaries), no Republicans AntiBank Jun 2016 #19

Response to insta8er (Original post)

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
3. He's right. Also SDs can front load their commitments to a candidate...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016


...and make it appear that an insurgent has no chance.

Although I like the deliberative nature of caucuses, the practicalities of the time commitment and verbal arm twisting that takes place during caucuses make them less appealing than a simple vote.
 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
10. that's what happened this year, front loading made Sanders
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jun 2016

look like a lost cause, thus stifling the early campaign.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
16. No, it didn't. The people still decided, and decided handily, for Clinton
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

Many endorsed her early in 2008 as well, and she did not win the nomination, so please stop peddling the absurd "superdelegates handed Hillary the nomination" canard.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
18. they certainly aided it, but the primaries are over and I am voting against Trump (thus marking
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton down for my vote). It's over, it's done.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Frank's a very intelligent politician. If he thinks
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jun 2016

we can do without whatever safety superdelegates might provide against a Trumpish event, then probably we can. Anything else might he feel should be done instead, I wonder? Regardless, doing away with them would also do away with the possibility that a future candidate could persuade a critical number of superdelegates to disregard the popular vote and bound delegate count.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. Scrap open primaries.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

We dont need Repubs hijacking our party and diluting minority votes and voices.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
9. I'm quite sure he does know this
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jun 2016

and is well aware of it. By saying as a group we want CLOSED contests, I think that would be helpful in the states to at least try and get that pushed through, where the contests are open.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
11. Who's going to pay for it?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jun 2016

States hold caucuses due to budget constraints. A caucus is a fraction of the price of a primary. Will the DNC pick up the tab?

TwilightZone

(25,493 posts)
20. So, no members of Congress can endorse, introduce, promote, etc., candidates during the primaries?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jun 2016

Good luck with that.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
19. semi-closed, w/ no "double voting" (meaning voting i multiple primaries), no Republicans
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jun 2016

or other registered party voters allowed, but indies should be encouraged to be involved.

Deffo end caucuses and SD's.

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