Sanders Protesters Book Campgrounds for Democratic Convention

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Sanders Protesters Book Campgrounds for Democrat Convention
DAKE KANG
ASSOCIATED PRESS (via ABC News)

Thirty miles south of the city, all 200 short-term camp sites at the Four Seasons in Pilesgrove, New Jersey, have been booked during the week of the DNC, the vast majority by Sanders backers, said Cheryl Robinson, one of the owners. Requests for the remaining long-term sites are also starting to pile up. Robinson said that Four Seasons has been booked up only during major holidays and when Pope Francis visited Philadelphia last year.

Kimberly Bernstroff, a disabled veteran from Las Vegas, is planning to come to the DNC with her two children. Her father is flying in all the way from the Philippines to attend with her. They plan to camp out in tents at the Four Seasons because a room is too expensive.

"My father will be protesting, and I will be showing up," said Bernstroff, adding that she has "not decided on the extent of my involvement" because of her children.

Robinson plans to put Sanders supporters in sites next to one another and is preparing extra space in case all long-term sites book out, as well, saying they have "no plan to turn anybody away."

[LongtimeAZDem]

1. Cool; the protests will probably help Clinton with moderates in the GE (nt)

[AgingAmerican]

5. There are no such 'moderates'

If she plans on appealing to 'moderates' she will just hemorrhage support.

[LongtimeAZDem]

15. Nah, she already has all of the support from the left she is going to have; the rest weren't going

to vote for her anyway.

All this will do is make her look rational, and distance her from the wackos.

[realmirage]

17. Agreed

[tonyt53]

18. That "rest" you mentioned, wouldn't have showed up in November, regardless of the candidate.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. Agreed. eom

[stopbush]

54. Bingo.

[fun n serious]

33. I disagree.

There are morderates than anything else

[AgingAmerican]

98. Define 'moderate'

What is a 'moderate'? What does a 'moderate' believe in? What is the ideology of 'moderate'?

[fun n serious]

100. People who believe in compromise

not all or nothing and end up with NOTHING. People who dig deep and understand TPP is imperative to nation security but their purity doesn't allow them to even look into it. Americans are moderate mostly.

[AgingAmerican]

102. That is a non answer

What do 'moderates' believe in? Anything?

Are they of the left? Right?



Compromise with whom? The Republicans? Republicans don't compromise. Compromise got us the disastrous sequestration bill.

So you do not believe that a political party should believe in anything? Just that they should 'compromise' with people who will not compromise?



Moderates do not exist as a political entity because there is no ideology of same.

[fun n serious]

119. Compromise with people who believe in most of what they do...

Like Sanders and the democrats.

[BobbyDrake]

124. I was all set to explain why intransigence is a terrible political strategy that accomplishes

absolutely nothing, but I didn't want to spoil the end of your "revolution" for you. You'll get there eventually on your own.

[CobaltBlue]

113. fun n serious—“Democrats” who support TPP support neoliberal policies.

[fun n serious]

118. I could give a rats ass

about labels. So if you say I am a neoliberal.. so what? The sky is falling?

[CobaltBlue]

133. fun n serious—You think it’s merely a label?

Neoliberal policies have been damaging the middle class since Reagan. If you’re in support of that…

[fun n serious]

136. I respectfully disagree

I think the term is used to degrade the Clinton years and Hillary. Please stop your condemnation. I do not appreciate it at all.

[CobaltBlue]

137. fun n serious—No

If a person wants politics of a certain kind, then the use of a word being applied is descriptive.

If one wants progressive politics, that person is a progressive.

If one wants conservative politics, that person is a conservative.

It is descriptive. It is not a "condemnation."

[w4rma]

130. 'Moderates' despise the TPP. Clinton is overtly supporting the TPP. Why is she doing something that

'moderates' don't want done?

[geek tragedy]

2. Seems like a great use of money and time.

I'm sure these protests will improve many lives.

[AgingAmerican]

7. Isn't democracy grand?

[geek tragedy]

14. Not sure these protestors agree.

They're protesting the convention because a majority of voters chose another candidate.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Strange how supporters of this protest against the most democratic Party don't see it that way,

isn't it?

I guess when someone is so fixated on the tiniest details, they tend to lose sight of the bigger picture.

[Loki]

43. There is no "bigger picture"

there is only "their" picture and because we haven't accepted everything they want, we aren't welcoming enough. Maybe I should have approached my parents with that same argument. I know how that would have turned out.

[BlueCaliDem]

48. Myopia and false pride runs strong within these people, making them narcissists. KKKarl Rove knows

this and is taking full advantage of their weakness. It's what he's good at as a political strategist.

As they say, if you don't stand for anything, you'll fall for everything.

I stand with the Democratic Party, as imperfect as it is. I realize that perfection isn't for this world of any government, for that matter, and that the Democratic Party is still better than the Libertarian, Green, Socialist, and Republican Parties by any metric. It's because I don't have the luxury nor the means to wait out a Trump presidency in order to hurt the people to the point that they'll "wake up for a revolution". I live in the here and now.

[Haveadream]

57. ^^ This!!^^

Thank you!

[oasis]

84. +1

[AgingAmerican]

39. Well...

It ain't over til the convention. That's how our democracy works!

[geek tragedy]

67. The voters made their choice.

There is a winner, but they don't accept the legitimacy of an election if they get outvoted. Not a very democratic philosophy.

[MohRokTah]

70. It's over.

It's been over.

Some just want to continue fighting the battles of the last primary even though one candidate clearly won and another candidate clearly lost.

[JaneyVee]

35. If they cared about democracy they would hold voter registration drives....

Instead of creating rush hour traffic and pissing people off.

[AgingAmerican]

40. They do hold voter registration drives

As opposed to driving them away...

GOTV is to many here as Kryptonite is to Superman...

[Lord Magus]

88. This is a protest against the democratic choice of the voters.

I'm not sure what you think is so grand about that.

[JaneyVee]

36. What exactly are they protesting or trying to accomplish?

[AgingAmerican]

41. Things that you will never understand

[JaneyVee]

50. LOL OK.

Apparently you have no idea what theyre trying to accomplish either.

[AgingAmerican]

53. If you havent figured it out in over a year

You probably never will.

Its one thing when it goes right over your head. It's another thing when you DUCK!

[stevenleser]

108. Understanding things like claiming you are for democracy while protesting a democratic result?

I dont think words like "understand" and "figure it out" mean what you think they do.

[stevenleser]

109. Simple. Their candidate didn't win democratically so its temper tantrum time

I have a 15 month old at home. Anyone who has a child recognizes the "I didn't get what I want so I am throwing a temper tantrum" modus operandi immediately.

[SharonClark]

134. Your self-righteousness is showing.

[geek tragedy]

68. Their candidate didn't win, ergo temper tantrum time nt

[geek tragedy]

66. There is that whole "let the voters decide" concept

Not everyone agrees.

[AgingAmerican]

105. So you agree that the DNC and MSM should have not meddled in the Democratic primary?

We have been saying the exact same thing for over a year now!

[geek tragedy]

107. The DNC runs the primary and the media covers it.

This isn't a lab experiment in a vacuum.

Sanders received much more positive media coverage than Clinton did.

[thucythucy]

77. Is your DU name supposed to be ironic?

I wonder, because I doubt very many Sanders supporters would support someone like FDR, then or now.

He was, after all, a member of the 1%. Also a member of a political dynasty, who favored overseas interventions and incarcerating minority group members because of their race. He also compromised on issues ranging from segregation in public housing to the cap on the Social Security tax.

Make no mistake, I think FDR was a great president. But I doubt he'd pass the current left's ideological litmus test.

[ms liberty]

86. Bullshit. Most of the long time DU'ers here who were

supporters of Sen. Sanders primary candidacy - as I was - are and were steadfast FDR Democrats. Many of us have called ourselves FDR democrats in conversations here at DU for YEARS.
But in the short time since the primary ended, many of us have largely abandoned DU due to the ugly, mean spirited comments such as yours that continue to be thrown at us. Like a lot of us, I've tried to get past it and overlook the bitter, destructive commentary from the supporters of our nominee, but being insulted grows wearisome and each day the storyline written about who we are and the issues important to us is revised to look less and less like the truth. Pretty soon we will be unrecognizable, sporting horns, forked tails, and demonic grins with the blood of dead babies running down our chins. Really. Congratulations, great job!

Oh, and for the jury, since Bernie supporters can barely make any comment or protest any insult without being alerted on:
I've been here since 2003, and have NEVER GOTTEN AN ALERT OR A HIDE. So if you wanna hide this, go ahead; I no longer give a shit. I won't be here or be commenting enough on politics here to get many more hides anyway. I'm sick and tired of biting my tongue and erasing replies - I've been doing it for nearly two years now, to comments from people who joined long after me and have had hides in the double digits, multiple time outs, and even rescinded bannings. My comment above is mild and polite compared to some of the shit I have avoided responding to during that period of time.

[thucythucy]

90. Most true "FDR Democrats" passed away decades ago.

Many of the contemporary liberals and progressives who call themselves "FDR Democrats" view FDR and his era through rose colored glasses. I submit your post as a prime example. You didn't dispute a single point I made about FDR or his politics. Was he not a member of the 1%. Was he not part of a political dynasty? Was he not a political insider: cousin of a president, former assistant secretary of the navy, former governor, former vice presidential candidate, in short--a career politician? Did he not compromise when it came to Jim Crow regulations governing federally funded programs such as public housing, not to mention supporting segregation in the military? Did he not sign off on the incarceration of Japanese Americans simply because of their ancestry--an action widely condemned today as both racist and unconstitutional? Did he not compromise repeatedly in order to get Social Security passed?

BTW, if you check my posts you'll see I supported Bernie and voted for him in my primary. I've been here for years, have had very few hides (two, I think) and consider myself a member here n fairly good standing.

I asked the "FDR Liberal" a question which he or she has yet to answer. I don't think my post was an insult at all--simply an attempt to point out--as I often do--that people sometimes have a view of American history that is based more on nostalgia than fact. FDR's presidency being a prime example.

As I said, I consider FDR to have been a great president, in spite of his flaws. He was a human being, like Bernie and Hillary. And many of the same criticisms being hurled at Hillary today were hurled at FDR by progressives, liberals, and assorted lefties back in the day.

[ms liberty]

97. Comment below...

"...I wonder, because I doubt very many Sanders supporters would support someone like FDR, then or now. "
That and your casual insult later in your post about those of us on the left are what I was responding to, and I have heard enough of that crap to last several lifetimes, much less one. I have no interest in discussing FDR with you, other than to say that I don't have on either blinders or rose colored glasses regarding FDR. If I ever had, my extensive reading over the years would have enlightened me. One can greatly admire someone and have differences of belief and opinion, and also be aware of their failings or shortcomings.

[thucythucy]

129. What "casual insult"?

I asked a question, and mentioned some historical facts about FDR. I asked if the handle was meant to be ironic. Given that Hillary supporters have, on this board, been accused of everything from cult worship to war mongering to having Stockholm Syndrome, this seems rather mild. I too, have heard "enough of this crap to last several lifetimes." I hope we're not going to hear more of it come the convention in Philadelphia.

"One can greatly admire someone and have differences of belief and opinion, and also be aware of their failings or shortcomings."

Does that include Hillary Clinton and those who support her, or are she and they somehow exceptions? It would seem so, what with the calls by at least some Sanders supporters to protest her nomination at the convention.

Hopefully I'm wrong, and the calls for disruption and (in the instance of Truthdig) "closing down" the Democratic National Convention will amount to nothing.

The main concern right now is defeating Trump. I don't see how protests at the Democratic National Convention further that aim.

[840high]

111. Thank you.

[senz]

92. Actually, Senator Sanders, and his supporters, are great fans of FDR

Perhaps the Senator can explain it to you here ...

[thucythucy]

96. One can be a "great fan" of FDR

and still recognize that he was quite fallible, and was often criticized by the left for saving capitalism, as opposed to fomenting a "real" revolution. In fact, I think Woody Guthrie at one point called him a "warmonger" for pushing for US support of Britain before Pearl Harbor. Of course, once Hitler attacked the Soviet Union Guthrie and other leftists changed their tune, so to speak.

Given this history, I find it ironic that so many ideological purists--folks who evidently can't accept or endorse Hillary--will go on and on about what a great progressive FDR was. He was, in fact, a great president, but as I've pointed out in the above posts, many of the stands he took (or refused to take) would have been quite inacceptable I think to a number of Sanders supporters today.

I supported Sanders in the primary because of Hillary's support of fracking, and her vote on the Iraq war. But now that she's the nominee, and facing a crypto-fascist like Donald Trump, I have no trouble supporting her, warts and all. I do this in large part because I know something about history, and believe that old saying about "not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good." That's a large part of what American politics, at least on a national level, is all about.

[Rhiannon12866]

115. Thank you!

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. Wouldn't they be better off creating and/or participating in service projects?

Something that might actually contribute to the well being of others? As in make a difference. Put their money where their mouths are.

Or are they just trying for a rerun of the 1968 Democratic convention?

Rhetorical question, of course.

[Duckhunter935]

3. It's their right

Should they not be allowed to do this? I may not agree with the message

[thucythucy]

131. Of course it's their right.

And it's our right to say "WTF."

[Duckhunter935]

132. Yep

Free speech is a good thing

[AllyCat]

4. Whenever I see "Democrat" used as an adjective

I assume it's written by a right winger

[grossproffit]

9. Good eye. That would be Democratic Convention..

[JoePhilly]

11. + 1

[LongtimeAZDem]

16. That used to be true, but I saw it used a lot this primary season by younger Sanders supporters

so, I think it's just becoming common usage

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. ROFL

Subtle.

[synergie]

91. It's not. There were a lot of RWers pretending to be Sanders supporters, it was the

giveaway in case the right wing, over the top rhetoric did not do the trick.

There was a ridiculous amount of manipulation and ratfucking going on. This is not common usage.

[yourpaljoey]

26. A dead give away

[BlueCaliDem]

30. Yep. Dead giveaway. eom

[AgingAmerican]

42. I am a democrat

Much more than I am a Democrat

[840high]

112. ...!100++++

[LaydeeBug]

59. me too. nt

[WhiteTara]

60. Me too.

I was ready to correct the OP poster and realized that was the title of the article. So without researching, I am assuming that it is right wing writer.

[DesertRat]

69. I completely agree. nt

[ismnotwasm]

6. Good

They will learn the lessons my beloved city of Seattle has learned.

[MyNameGoesHere]

8. Is this the Fart Gang?

[JoePhilly]

10. Camping outside Philly, in late July?

There is a reason that place rarely sells out, particularly in late July.

I'm sure the owners are very happy.

Its not the heat, its the humidity.

[Trenzalore]

12. They certainly will be ripe

When I lived in Philly on the 20th floor of one of the apartment complexes by the art museum the air condition went for a day in July....not a day I'd like to relive.

[BlueMTexpat]

13. And the bugs ...

[JoePhilly]

45. Oh God, I forgot the bugs!!

[Peacetrain]

19. Prickly heat will do them in before political disagreement will

[JoePhilly]

46. Sleeping in the starfish position ... they'll each need their own tent.

[realmirage]

20. I lived outside Philly for 10 years and yes, they will suffer

The humidity is lethal

[Freddie]

32. Good luck getting to the Convention Center from there

No public transportation near there and traffic is going to be horrendous. Planning on watching it on TV in air-conditioned comfort.
I think the Fart Brigade is native Philly folks, not imports. Stay upwind.

[jimw81]

65. plus septa regional line service going down in half

throws another wrench into it.

[AgingAmerican]

44. lol

A few Sanders supporters are camping, thus camping is BAD!

Black and white thinking makes people say silly things..

[JoePhilly]

47. Camping isn't bad. Sanders supporters aren't bad.

But camping anywhere near Philly in late July is bad bad idea.

[AgingAmerican]

49. They call it 'changing the subject'

Some folks are tougher and more dedicated. Isn't democracy Grande!!

[JoePhilly]

51. If only these "tougher and more dedicated" folks voted.

They'd probably do better to go and camp out near Valley Forge. Might get some press coverage that way.

No reporter is heading out to a camp site in Jersey in late July.

[AgingAmerican]

55. Your concern is duly noted...

[JoePhilly]

78. Personally ...

... I'm always interested in the political strategy, and the political tactics, that various groups come up with.

And I do not see much of a path forward with this particular "tactic".

[DemonGoddess]

22. IF he's going to "help"

why are his protesters not going to Cleveland? More grandstanding, I see.

[MineralMan]

23. Good luck to them all.

I hope they have a satisfactory experience that meets their expectations.

[LiberalLovinLug]

25. Viva la Revolution!!!

The DLC corporate headquarters will have a good view of a reminder that this time traditional Democrats and young Democrats will not be shut out of the process.

[zappaman]

27. Will they be protesting the Republican convention as well?

Or is it just the "Democrat" convention that makes them agitated?

[BlueCaliDem]

34. As some supporters of the Fart-Party have told me, the Republican convention have their own

protesters so they don't have to.

[ismnotwasm]

37. Don't be silly

Why on earth would they do that?

[lunamagica]

38. Good question, Zappaman

[Hekate]

80. I keep asking the same thing, zappa. All I can figure out is that ....

....disrupting Democrats is somehow more satisfying.

On the one hand, a Third World style strongman, a genuine fascist, a rascist, anti-Semitic, misogynist who has no clue how the US government is supposed to work, who has a palpable personality disorder and may in fact be insane.

Given the type of supporters he attracts, it could well be physically dangerous to gather outside the GOP convention. But given all the talk of "revolution" on the Left, and all the talk of "pitchforks and torches" at DU, one wonders if any on the Left understand that physical danger is actually what they are invoking -- and that what Trump is calling for is the overthrow of our democracy, and THAT is what needs to be opposed.

On the other hand, a less than perfect but still very solid, experienced, and competent Democrat, who will not under any circumstances bellow to her supporters that they should bloody the heads of people who oppose her. Ever.

Baffling.

[tonyt53]

31. Camping around Philly in July? Are they nuts? Vegas gets hot, but the humidity in Philly is brutal.

Well, no, the campgrounds won't turn anybody away. Unless a person has an air conditioned camper or motor home, the campground will have lots of available space.

[AgingAmerican]

56. Ah, so concerned!

[tallahasseedem]

99. Those from the West coast that laugh have no idea what they're in for...

weather or attitude wise. These attitudes that they plan on using in Philly crack me up. Go ahead folks, see how that all works out for you!

[GulfCoast66]

116. And when they start toking it up

In public to help them sleep, they mighty be a little surprised that rural Cops in the east might take a slightly less favorable view of open pot us than their western and mountain state brethren.

[tallahasseedem]

125. I'm just not sure where they're planning to set up shop...

I can think of four or five different "welcoming" committees that would love to see that happen, LOL! Oh yeah, and the Philadelphia PD aint having none of that sparking up in the open. Just try them folks...that'll help!

[Gothmog]

58. Camping in July is not my idea of fun

I was so happy when my son aged out of scouts and I could avoid summer camp.

It will be interesting to see how many sanders protesters show up to Philadelphia

[cosmicone]

61. Just make sure the habitual anarchists and vandals don't join

the protest to loot and vandalize.

It will reflect very poorly on Sanders.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. I have a sweatshirt that says "Let's get Campfire Drunk!"

Wish I could join them.

[DesertRat]

72. But it won't be sweatshirt weather in southern NJ in July

[DesertRat]

64. Why are they protesting at the Dem convention?

[MohRokTah]

71. .

[ashtonelijah]

73. Bless their hearts. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

<3

[mcar]

75. Are they protesting at the RNC too?

Kind of odd, this.

[synergie]

81. Kind of weird how they aren't planning any protests in Clevland against the Republicans, who are the

actual enemy.

[ronnykmarshall]

89. You got that right.

[senz]

93. Since most if not all are Democrats, perhaps they think they have a right

to be there.

Surely you aren't going to tell them that they don't?

[synergie]

94. Since they claim otherwise and keep posting that everywhere, they should probably

Learn that making specious claims does not entitle them to admittance to a convention, and that things like registrations etc. are involved, not just showing up when they feel like it to disrupt things they don't understand.

Surely you should educate them about basics things, like how conventions work? Why would you be telling the poor dears otherwise?

[senz]

95. As a lifelong Democrat, I believe in democracy

and the right of the people to stand up for fairness and justice -- which is, of course, what Bernie Sanders has stood for his entire life.

It's rather sad when the self-styled elite express resentment of political protesters.

[Lord Magus]

114. A protest should actually be about something.

This one doesn't seem to be.

[synergie]

122. Per the OP you're responding to, it seems that they are protesting against the voters will

and we must not question them or their ignorance of simple things like how conventions work and why protesting Democrats is not something Democrats usually do.

Apparently it's elitist to ask questions and to believe in democracy, one must protest the will of the voters, or something.

[synergie]

121. It's rather sad that that you choose to pretend I said any of that. Your strawman fails.

Also, it's rather sad when the delusions of purity has lead to self styled elites, who claim they and only they are the "real Democrats", and who are deeply resentful of anyone daring to question a group of people who deny their membership in the party and who spend their time attacking and protesting it, and not the Republicans who actually embody the things they profess to be protesting.

Real Democrats don't protest their own party, nor are they trying to violate the will of the voters in the belief that the Democratic nominee, who won fair and square, is somehow NOT an actual Democrat, despite her history of not only talking about standing up for things, but actually doing the work that leads to things like fairness and justice.

It's almost like these protesters who don't know much about a party they're not a part of and their defenders from imaginary arguments don't really believe in democracy when it doesn't go their way or something.

It's sad when self styled purist-elites attack anyone who dares ask simple questions about why these people are protesting their own supposed party, and why they think the majority of voters don't matter at all, but that they must give in and let them losing faction have its way on everything. Not terribly democratic, or Democratic.

[pnwmom]

82. Where will they be camping out to protest during the Rethug convention?

Or do they only find the Dems to be objectionable?

The R convention will be first. Are they just going to let that event slip by without protest?

[Tarc]

85. A bunch of sad hangers-on

[okasha]

87. I wonder how many of these folks have never been camping before?

[Scurrilous]

103. Camping sucks.

At least for more than a day or two. But try doing it all the time. I was a tripping CIT at summer camp when I was sixteen and had to spend 5 days each week paddling a leaky aluminum canoe across endless lakes, cooking for fourteen over a hot fire, and sharing a tent with a six foot eleven senior counselor who legs stuck out the front and let the mosquitoes in. @#$% that. They day they kicked me out of that place for being accused of something I didn't do was a very happy day. Haven't been in the woods on purpose since.

[okasha]

106. Chiggers. Ticks. Mosquitos.

Poison ivy. Raccoons burglarising your pack. Black and white "kitties" so happy to see you they dance. Wasps. Spiders.

And the utter conviction that there's something--something large and carnivorous--in that clump of bushes fifty yards away...

[Renew Deal]

101. I'm sure the police will keep a close eye on them

[synergie]

123. I certainly hope so, they're going to be cranky, upset and you just know the Trumpsters among them

will be causing trouble.

[Jitter65]

110. Wonder what the whether forecast is??? nt

[RandySF]

117. How well will they all get along

after the heat, humidity, mosquitos and close proximity to each other start factoring in? It's one thing to party in a big arena, quite another under the conditions they face at that camp.

[nolawarlock]

120. Sounds like a real vacation.

Maybe they can pitch a tent under the Liberty Bell.

[KittyWampus]

126. "no plans to turn anybody away"? There are Fire and Health Regulations on how many can camp.

Sounds like they plan on violating the law from the start.

[tallahasseedem]

127. Have none of these people been to Philly?

There is literally no place to set up shop and if they try, Philly PD will have their ass packed up quickly. Oh, I just saw NJ. Okay, still...ROFL!!!! Someone might want to make sure they have some toll money as well!

[NCTraveler]

135. Clinton will be blamed for the handfull who come down with heat exhaustion....

and the one or two who come away with mosquito spread disease.

It will all be Clintons fault.

Camping in that area at that time of year is a nightmare. I would not recommend it for anyone without experience. Not being hyperbolic, most will make it through slightly dehydrated and exhausted, nothing more. Your more educated will do much better.