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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:44 PM Jul 2016

Simplistic Politics is for Simpletons

Here's what I mean by that. It often seems that many people form their general political positions based on one or two issues that directly affect them. Each of us has limited exposure to the vast array of political decisions that are made each year. Or so we often think.

The reality is that our society is vastly more complex than most of us realize, unless we take the time to examine it beyond our own connection to it. Each of us has only a few aspects of the society overall that have a direct impact on our lives. For example, if you're a college student pursuing a degree, concerns over your next exam period and your growing student loan debt may seem to be the most important things in the world. Someone else, however, may not be concerned with those things at all. For another person, the risk of the corporation for which they work deciding to lay off employees after being absorbed by another corporation may be the featured worry.

And so it goes. Medical costs, low-paying employment or even a broken refrigerator may be the chief issues at any given time for anyone. And yet, in each case, those issues are only a tiny fraction of the issues the people we elect must decide on while in office.

For others, larger global issues may take a prominent position in their minds. Climate change, overpopulation, international trade agreements, the growing ineffectiveness of antibiotics or war in remote places might be their primary issues.

They're all important issues. How important they are to an individual voter, though, is a personal matter. We all see the world through a very narrow, very dirty window. It's pretty much impossible to stand far enough back to look at everything at once. Impossible, really. So, what do we do about politics?

I use history as my guide. In general, in my 71 years, I've observed that things seem to go better when Democrats are in power. Which Democrats? It doesn't really seem to make that much difference. It's a matter of general philosophy about issues and decisions. It's not so much about details as a broad perspective. When Republicans are in power, the reverse appears to be true, it seems to me.

It's 2016. We're about to elect another group of people to office. They'll make myriad decisions about a bewildering list of things that need to be decided. I want Democrats making those decisions. I get to vote for a President, one House member for my district and a couple of state legislators, along with a few local officials. I don't get to choose who the candidates for those offices will be on an individual basis, although I do participate in local politics. I do get to vote.

I'm a simpleton, I guess. I will vote for the Democrat for each of those offices. My real-world politics are simplistic. Since we do better, generally, with Democrats in power, I vote for them. I might not agree with each of them on every individual issue that affects me, but I agree with the principle that we do better with Democrats in power.

So, I vote for Democrats. I encourage others to vote for Democrats. It's what I can do. It's what I will do. When Democrats win majorities in legislatures, better things happen than when Republicans do. When we have Democratic Presidents and Governors, things seem to end up better, too, in general and over time.

Please vote for every Democrat on your ballot in November. Help us all do better. It won't be perfect, but it will help.

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Simplistic Politics is for Simpletons (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2016 OP
You're no simpleton--if you were, you'd believe that women MADem Jul 2016 #1
I simply believe that everyone should have an equal MineralMan Jul 2016 #4
Things are always better with Democrats in charge. See California. Can't get more simple than that. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #2
Yes. Good example from my long-term former state of residence. MineralMan Jul 2016 #5
Thank you, MM. California is my birth and resident State and I have to admit, I'm very happy and BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #10
California has done very well, I think. MineralMan Jul 2016 #12
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #3
Yes my man. Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #6
Thanks. MineralMan Jul 2016 #13
...shorter... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #7
Just one principle? MineralMan Jul 2016 #9
Liberal / Progressive principle HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #15
I believe you do not know me at all. MineralMan Jul 2016 #17
your posts define you MM... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #18
The root cause of all the issues you listed? PowerToThePeople Jul 2016 #8
I see. Well, OK. MineralMan Jul 2016 #11
Here's a simplistic example. MineralMan Jul 2016 #14
And how the so called unbiased Media Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #16

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. You're no simpleton--if you were, you'd believe that women
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

don't deserve to be in public life, except as teachers or nurses!

Now THAT's a simpleton's view!

And sadly, we have some voters who still feel that way!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. I simply believe that everyone should have an equal
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jul 2016

opportunity and equal rights in society. That's pretty simplistic, so I am a simpleton with regard to that.

Simplicity can work in many ways. Women and men are the same, except for some minor anatomical differences, as near as I can tell. There are millions of other differences among individuals, but not much difference in general, and there should not be any difference in societal potential between men and woman.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Things are always better with Democrats in charge. See California. Can't get more simple than that.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

Some people over-analyze everything down to what food a candidate partakes of that might turn them off. Some believe they need to make the good the enemy of the perfect in their quixotic efforts to change this country into their vision of an Utopia they and only they believe it should be - consequences be damned.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
10. Thank you, MM. California is my birth and resident State and I have to admit, I'm very happy and
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

proud to be a Californian - especially in 2010 when the country went insane and allowed Republicans to sweep into power even the most progressive States - with only California and another State (can't remember which one) sweeping in Democrats and giving them the majorities in our Assembly and Senate. That's when things turned around and we paid off a $42B deficit, ending with an $11B surplus today.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. California has done very well, I think.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jul 2016

Still room for improvement, but it seems to be on a good track. Thanks, Governor Brown!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Yes my man.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

Never really understood a single issue voter,but through the years,watched so many of those folks go down in flames. Have always voted for the Party that makes the whole Nation better and not just some half baked jingoism that sounds to good to be true.

And again,we Democrats must support the down ticket candidates.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Thanks.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jul 2016

We really, really need to get over this mid-term failure to turn out, too. That has crippled progress so often. I'm not sure how to do that, though. I'll just keep trying.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
7. ...shorter...
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

party over principle

'It won't be perfect, but it will help'

this is why we have a republican light situation going on and when we shouldn't have one... putting party over principle allows the party to be co-opted which is NEVER a good thing and DOESN'T help

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. Just one principle?
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jul 2016

I recognize many, many principles that are important. There is no single principle that covers everything.

I'm outcome-oriented, in general. I try for better outcomes across the board in every election. I do not expect ideal outcomes, because I've never seen any outcome that is ideal for everyone. That's my general principle.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
15. Liberal / Progressive principle
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

there is that ONE

I believe you're party oriented, no so much principle oriented

you 'expect' the party to 'self correct' back to liberal/progressive principles which won't happen

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
8. The root cause of all the issues you listed?
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016

Greed & Global Capitalism.

"Divide and conquer" the capitalist strategy.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. I see. Well, OK.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

In the meantime, I live in a real society among other societies on a global scale. I do my best to work toward better outcomes each time I have an opportunity. You let me know when the society, both local and global, changes to something that doesn't have an economic basis. Thanks.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. Here's a simplistic example.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jul 2016

In 2010, Minnesota Democrats stayed home in the mid-term elections. Republicans got control of the state legislature, due to a higher turnout of Republicans.

By 2012, they had put one of those one-man-one-woman marriage limitation constitutional amendments on the ballot for November, along with a voter ID bill that would destroy the very fair elections in Minnesota.

Fortunately, the Democratic voters did turn out in November of 2012, and killed both things, while electing Democratic majorities in both houses of the state legislature. In 2013, we passed marriage equality law very quickly. The difference between the two outcomes was crystal clear. With Democrats in power, LGBT people in Minnesota could marry the people they loved. A complete turnaround in one year after electing Democratic majorities.

Lots of other good things happened, as well. However, stupidly, Democratic turnout was low again in 2014, giving the Republicans control of one of our legislative houses again. We'll fix that in 2016, but imagine how many progressive changes got blocked in the meantime.

Elect Democrats in Every Election to Every Office!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. And how the so called unbiased Media
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jul 2016

lulled the voters into a false impression that if you stay home,nothing will change. Yah right. Same story here in Nevada,but with a twist. The Mega Casino Owners saw the Landscape ripe for change,and they plowed millions in last day campaign ads targeting Hispanic Voters with veiled threats of deportation and other consequences . Another thing occurred,Harry Reid all of sudden went quite,zero ad support of Democratic Candidates. Well the State Legislature flipped to the Thugs big time,and the rest is a Historical nightmare that will change this time around. The Thugs have 190 paid staffers working in state trying to hold their positions. This time around the Hispanic Populace has found their backbone and they being the largest single population segment,plan on using it to their Democratic advantage.

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