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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:24 PM Jul 2016

I will not be gracious in victory over the FBI investigation.

Those who spread that smear with such zeal and such vitriol should be ashamed of themselves. They never had anything to go on except rumors from right-wing news sources and were proven decisively wrong. I hope this hurts for them.

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I will not be gracious in victory over the FBI investigation. (Original Post) Zynx Jul 2016 OP
So true. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #1
You view it as a victory? TCJ70 Jul 2016 #2
Oh bullshit. He said explicitly no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges. Zynx Jul 2016 #3
You're not a lawyer and therefore don't understand the subtleties brooklynboy49 Jul 2016 #179
I'm sure you think you're very clever there, but you ignored a simple thing in your own argument. Zynx Jul 2016 #196
Did you miss the part where they scoured ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY for a comparable prosecution BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #4
They don't care because they never actually cared about the facts. Zynx Jul 2016 #9
Agreed. Add this faux concern to the pile with all of the rest of it. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #12
No, they presented Fox News spin as fact, and now they are working overtime emulatorloo Jul 2016 #27
Victory n/t Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #5
Your "concern" is noted. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #6
Thanks for keeping track! TCJ70 Jul 2016 #7
"Your "concern" is noted. nt" DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #59
Yep, that's what they said...n/t TCJ70 Jul 2016 #62
Who is they and what did they say? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #64
I thought you were quoting Dr. Hobbitstein... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #67
Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #68
Splodey heads don't view it as this ... splodey heads hate her anyway uponit7771 Jul 2016 #8
The primary is over Dem2 Jul 2016 #14
And there is a great deal of hair pulling on these sites Gothmog Jul 2016 #123
Reccing the thread, TCJ70, and with it any posts illustrating Hortensis Jul 2016 #16
I had no hopes for an indictment... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #19
Your virtuous disapproval will be her "consequence," CJ70. Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
LOL. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #35
LOL leftofcool Jul 2016 #132
But you clearly never broke a rule in your life, did you? randome Jul 2016 #31
Oh, I definitely have... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #34
And this didn't come anywhere close to being an actionable violation. So...case closed. randome Jul 2016 #37
Au contraire, HRC WAS PROVEN INNOCENT. :) Hortensis Jul 2016 #111
That's another way of look at it! randome Jul 2016 #119
where did you get that? She was proven negligent and careless. That is not to celebrate larkrake Jul 2016 #155
Will everyone who has never been careless and negligent please step forward? Arneoker Jul 2016 #159
that is why he did not criminalize larkrake Jul 2016 #161
Where did you go wrong? Cordy Jul 2016 #202
PROVEN? by whom? a rightwing hack who's been on her ass since Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #203
See my post, above brooklynboy49 Jul 2016 #180
Have you ever held a clearance? Adrahil Jul 2016 #51
Thank you 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #74
What is there to pursue? calimary Jul 2016 #183
there were consequences treestar Jul 2016 #116
Thank you SO MUCH for your concern! n/t NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #40
You're SO welcome! n/t TCJ70 Jul 2016 #43
TCJ70 and others earn our thanks every day. Hortensis Jul 2016 #104
The problem for me is that Comey left the door wide open floppyboo Jul 2016 #41
He just said... Adrahil Jul 2016 #53
"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey MADem Jul 2016 #82
Thanks for the actual quote +1. NT Adrahil Jul 2016 #83
Hortensis was first! But it does bear repeating, over and over again! MADem Jul 2016 #84
that wasn't the quote I was referring to. floppyboo Jul 2016 #96
Did you mean the FBI finding: "NO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?" Hortensis Jul 2016 #109
No, I meant this one: floppyboo Jul 2016 #114
People aren't indicted for "administrative sanctions," Hortensis Jul 2016 #115
I wasn't talking about indictment. I don't believe I mentioned it once. floppyboo Jul 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #157
Innocence was not proven, neither was intent. It is a non issue that grows mistrust larkrake Jul 2016 #170
That dog isn't hunting. nt MADem Jul 2016 #128
No one is arguing that. We've all got eyes and ears. floppyboo Jul 2016 #97
Obama blew the roof off that rally today! nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #153
Still praying to the fairy? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #92
Why indeed? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #90
If you haven't noticed by now, some in America have NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #171
I watched it too and that passage made me think of some one else who did just that — Snowden brush Jul 2016 #20
You noticed that, too? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #36
Would that mean Comey supports Snowden??? Or that Snowden supporters are pro-Hillary? floppyboo Jul 2016 #44
NO ... those DUers wishing upon the HRC Indictment fairy were/are very supportive of Snowden. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #54
That is the part of this that disgusts me most. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #91
Yup, yup, and yup. The most morally bankrupt Hortensis Jul 2016 #112
Good golly Miss Molly! sheshe2 Jul 2016 #140
Same here Gothmog Jul 2016 #125
I'm good. I'm taking July off in real life politically ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #127
In comparison, I am about to OD on politics for July Gothmog Jul 2016 #136
I noticed that, too obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #47
+1000 n/t JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #80
"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey MADem Jul 2016 #81
Absolutely its a victory... a victory for common sense and fairness. DCBob Jul 2016 #17
he did not say she isnt a criminal, he said it would not be easy to indict so far larkrake Jul 2016 #156
If there was a crime he would have recommended legal action. DCBob Jul 2016 #158
there are degrees of criminality. He can not prosecute without solid proof of intent larkrake Jul 2016 #163
I think she is completely innocent of anything resembling a crime. DCBob Jul 2016 #164
you are entitled to your opinion, and intent was never implied by Comey or me larkrake Jul 2016 #165
Intent is critical to making it a crime. DCBob Jul 2016 #167
that is just another mistake, less damaging than the previous mistakes larkrake Jul 2016 #168
I dont think it had anything to do with "secrecy". It was about convenience and control. DCBob Jul 2016 #169
control of what? larkrake Jul 2016 #172
Server and system. DCBob Jul 2016 #173
that is secrecy larkrake Jul 2016 #174
Not to me. Secrecy implies hiding something she shouldn't be hiding. DCBob Jul 2016 #176
then we have to agree to disagree, it is a habit over several years larkrake Jul 2016 #177
And didn't happen nt Cordy Jul 2016 #204
It has nothing to do with friends in high places creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #201
sour grapes are bitter nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #18
Yes, I do. What else could they say, we wasted months La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #23
It's always a bad sign when you have to make stuff up to support an argument. lapucelle Jul 2016 #33
I didn't make anything up... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #121
Yes it is. The consequence was the investigation. ehrnst Jul 2016 #38
I agree -- she was treated differently obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #49
Boy, this going well huh TC? underpants Jul 2016 #56
It's going as expected. TCJ70 Jul 2016 #63
No prob underpants Jul 2016 #65
Are you making these criticisms in order to help Hillary become a better candidate per the rules? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #89
Hah! The Republican FBI director just couldn't resist adding his politically-motivated pnwmom Jul 2016 #94
Poor you. Squinch Jul 2016 #137
If he could demonstrate that she broke a law, then he would have. pnwmom Jul 2016 #152
Yes,there are bigger issues to take care of. Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #10
Wow, how could I have forgotten that tidbit? Suggest you make this an OP. Hekate Jul 2016 #15
Thanks, Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #21
Wow, me too. Needs repeating. I only remembered Hortensis Jul 2016 #113
Oh, it hurts. joshcryer Jul 2016 #11
Oh, it seems to be hurting a lot Dem2 Jul 2016 #13
A-friggin'-men! A massive K & R. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #24
In your face, haters. mwrguy Jul 2016 #25
I find your post quite ironic corkhead Jul 2016 #142
Like rain on your wedding day mwrguy Jul 2016 #144
Have fun in your sandbox corkhead Jul 2016 #146
I find your post perfect! Her Sister Jul 2016 #185
Thanks :) mwrguy Jul 2016 #195
Rightwingers have no shame, thats why they spread bullshit with such glee bravenak Jul 2016 #26
They were salt of the earth bullshitters, you know The Second Stone Jul 2016 #28
Awesome Blazing Saddles reference there. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #95
The Second Stone only pawn The Second Stone Jul 2016 #120
I can hear the wailing on JPR from here. On edit... stevenleser Jul 2016 #29
Wow, they really are just like the Freepers. Alfresco Jul 2016 #45
One poster is hoping the Republicans "save them". HamiltonSwan Jul 2016 #135
Not enough Thorazine in the world..... okasha Jul 2016 #149
Many of them used to post here (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2016 #151
Agreed! And welcome to DU :-) Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #191
I love the glowing reviews for Comey as they gleefully anticipated. joshcryer Jul 2016 #46
Ken Starr's lead investigator, Comey obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #50
Yep. joshcryer Jul 2016 #61
Good lord, and that site says they are liberal??? obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #52
There are a number of former DUers over there (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2016 #66
the crazy left and the crazy right eventually find common ground by going geek tragedy Jul 2016 #77
Seriously obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #182
yes, liberals and progressives see 3rd wayers as warts larkrake Jul 2016 #166
lolz obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #181
Lol, there's a reason I refer to that cesspool as jackass radicals. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #85
OMG lol- they are hoping Asssange or Guccifer will "bring her down"..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #126
And to show you how clueless they are they say they hope Bernie goes Green. stevenleser Jul 2016 #131
They're still talking about BS taking the nomination at the convention. Just insane. Squinch Jul 2016 #138
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #30
K&R! gademocrat7 Jul 2016 #32
I am just glad DU does not have a whole forum dedicated to itsrobert Jul 2016 #39
I can only think of a hate site having such a forum. joshcryer Jul 2016 #48
...and try to find the lil-bitty area that covers Trump! Her Sister Jul 2016 #187
Big time K&R! NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #42
:-) Well said. riversedge Jul 2016 #55
K&R! ^^^This!^^^ Spot ON. SHAME on them all! How can any reasonable Liberal or Progressive BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #57
Wolf Blitzer is having a cow. He is digging and riversedge Jul 2016 #58
I don't consider it a victory bigwillq Jul 2016 #60
The story is thoroughly exhausted without an indictment. Zynx Jul 2016 #70
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2016 #69
IMO, it would be better not to gloat. Vinca Jul 2016 #71
Compared to that smug certainty that she would be indicted, meh. Zynx Jul 2016 #72
We'll see. I fully expect Trump to start running on the promise of bringing charges. Vinca Jul 2016 #73
Sure, as long as the judge doesn't have 'Mexican Heritage' emulatorloo Jul 2016 #75
You think a candidate vowing to throw the opposition in prison makes for an attractive geek tragedy Jul 2016 #93
Is Trump the new indictment fairy? JTFrog Jul 2016 #133
Did I say that? No. Vinca Jul 2016 #162
So why help them? Cordy Jul 2016 #205
K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #76
Yeah, when have you ever been gracious AwareOne Jul 2016 #78
That seems personal. Do you have something you want to say to me? Zynx Jul 2016 #87
The rightwingers who were cheering for an indictment don't deserve any MADem Jul 2016 #79
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2016 #86
Oh, trust me. It hurts. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #88
I saw that place too rbrnmw Jul 2016 #98
Yea, I saw it too CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #99
It amazes me that posting links to that site on DU doesn't violate the new rules. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #102
Huge K&R CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #100
I agree. But note, I had a post hidden supposedly because I was rehashing primary. Hoyt Jul 2016 #101
They're hurting on Jack Pine Ridiculous n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #103
Heads: Squinch Jul 2016 #106
Skinner needs to take a long hard look at those usernames. joshcryer Jul 2016 #107
^^^ THIS ^^^^ n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #108
+1000. Hortensis Jul 2016 #110
I'm shocked he allows it to be linked from here. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #130
It's like a thousand other conspiracy shitstorms that proved to be nothing. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #105
Agreed! That Comey guy has been investigating the Clintons for decades, so that R B Garr Jul 2016 #118
There was never going to be an indictment because no laws were broken Gothmog Jul 2016 #122
Kicking in support of every word. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #124
Lining up in complete agreement. n/t VOX Jul 2016 #129
K & R and A-FREAKIN'-men. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #134
With you 180%. Zynx Jul 2016 #139
With you too!!! Her Sister Jul 2016 #189
Another sore winner corkhead Jul 2016 #141
Yup! If the pro-indictment crowd hadn't been so obnoxious, this could have been avoided. Zynx Jul 2016 #150
Glad I will not have to hear PowerToThePeople Jul 2016 #143
Good Lord... Skid Rogue Jul 2016 #145
The vultures were circling for months now, but their prey escaped to live another day. Beacool Jul 2016 #147
Wow! Thanks Zynx.. Damn straight! Cha Jul 2016 #148
nothing was proven wrong, it just isnt inditable at this time, take a deep breath, but do larkrake Jul 2016 #154
The wishes of the indictment wishers were not granted. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #175
This Bernie supporter never thought she would or should be indicted. Vattel Jul 2016 #160
My suggestion to you is to que the video of the entire press conference. peace13 Jul 2016 #178
Ultimately, the only thing that matters is if there were criminal charges or not. Zynx Jul 2016 #199
So in other words you admit to being a poor winner, which is worse than a sore loser. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #184
Did you lose something! Her Sister Jul 2016 #186
tossing in your $0.02? hobbit709 Jul 2016 #188
It's a fucking discussion board. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #192
They were asking if you feel like you're on the losing side of an argument. Were you hoping for an Zynx Jul 2016 #198
I will not apologize for gloating in the faces of people who wanted our candidate to go to prison. Zynx Jul 2016 #197
Boojah! Her Sister Jul 2016 #190
+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #193
Right-wing Republicans are very, very sad today. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #194
I agree. K&R betsuni Jul 2016 #200

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. You view it as a victory?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

The FBI director came out and said Hillary and her team were careless in their handling of classified materials. That isn't a victory, it's a confirmation. The fact that there are no consequences for her, when there most certainly would be for anyone else, only highlights a problem that we already knew existed.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
3. Oh bullshit. He said explicitly no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

Sloppy record keeping practices are pretty damn common.

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
179. You're not a lawyer and therefore don't understand the subtleties
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jul 2016

"No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges" doesn't mean no reasonable prosecutor would find that no crimes were committed, it means no reasonable prosecutor, knowing that guilt must be established beyond a reasonable doubt, would bring charges with the evidence he or she had to meet that burden of proof.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
196. I'm sure you think you're very clever there, but you ignored a simple thing in your own argument.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jul 2016

If the case is so weak that they don't think they could obtain a conviction in court, there's not much there. It's a flimsy thing you're clinging on to, and I have serious questions about why you want to cling to it.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
4. Did you miss the part where they scoured ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY for a comparable prosecution
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

and came up empty? That was a pretty big indicator that NO, there most certainly would NOT be consequences "for anyone else" because there never has been.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
27. No, they presented Fox News spin as fact, and now they are working overtime
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

to spin the fact there will be no indictment as a 'negative.'

Fuck all the bullshit armchair lawyers.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Reccing the thread, TCJ70, and with it any posts illustrating
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

what the thread condemns. For those who ignored all evidence to hope for an indictment, this thread is their indictment.

"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey, who also stated that over a year's intensive investigation found no willful or intentional misconduct, no indications of disloyalty to the United States, no efforts to obstruct justice.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
19. I had no hopes for an indictment...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jul 2016

...why would I want to see our candidate indicted? That isn't good for anyone!

What I don't like is seeing statements where wrongs are clearly outlined without consequences. What is the use of having rules in place regarding the handing of classified materials if the mishandling of classified materials doesn't matter?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Your virtuous disapproval will be her "consequence," CJ70.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe send her a card to let her know?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. But you clearly never broke a rule in your life, did you?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
34. Oh, I definitely have...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016

...and generally there were consequences for those actions. Also, none of them came anywhere close to mishandling classified material.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. And this didn't come anywhere close to being an actionable violation. So...case closed.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jul 2016

Let Trump bloviate about it all he wants. We have better things to do.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
111. Au contraire, HRC WAS PROVEN INNOCENT. :)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jul 2016

They looked at everything and found her innocent of every possible charge.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
119. That's another way of look at it!
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

Arneoker

(375 posts)
159. Will everyone who has never been careless and negligent please step forward?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jul 2016

I work for the government myself, and I would acknowledge that Hillary made mistakes on this. So did a lot of people at State. Did you catch where Comey spoke about the dysfunctional culture at State where it came to handling classified material? That doesn't excuse Hillary, or many others, but it should add some perspective.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
203. PROVEN? by whom? a rightwing hack who's been on her ass since
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

whitewater?

in what court of law did he PROVE this malfeasance?

oh, wait a minute.......

thanks for playing

learn to play better next time

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
51. Have you ever held a clearance?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

I have. It happens. Generally speaking, if the mishandling was not intentional, and did not result in material falling into the wrong hands, the concern was more about fixing the problem than punishing someone. There is, after all, a difference between a mistake and a crime.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
74. Thank you
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

If no harm was caused, what is there to pursue?

I vaguely remember something from a nursing and the law course about misfeasance - doing something badly, but no harm arising, therefore nothing actionable.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
183. What is there to pursue?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jul 2016

I think we all know. Hillary hatred is running so ridiculously, bewilderingly high these days that all the haters want at this point is to see her almost literally sent to Death Row. I've never seen such blindingly virulent hatred in all my years. Good Grief how threatened they are by her!

It does make me wonder, though, were these emails that were considered sensitive or top secret, were they clearly marked as such? Back then? It's awfully easy to say "she shoulda known." Well, with everything else she had on her plate, I imagine she relied on staff to lay things out clearly for her, as any executive would, and has, so she could make quick responses and decisions and reactions. Was she served in a sloppy manner? Kinda looks like it. Did she have time to micromanage every detail? In a job like Secretary of State, I'd guess probably not. Particularly since she was busy with her own top priority, which was trying to rehabilitate America's image with multiple countries and even allies in whose eyes we failed, and lost our moral high ground thanks to the WAR CRIMINALS bush & cheney and their marauding, exploitive, opportunistic Torture-on-Parade regime. They violated the Geneva Conventions forcryingoutloud! And here we are, lo these many years later, quibbling about some fucking emails while bush/cheney walk free 'n' clear, unindicted, uninvestigated, unaccountable.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
41. The problem for me is that Comey left the door wide open
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jul 2016

Yes, not criminal - no intent.
And I guess that's all the FBI does - criminal investigations

But he left the door open for so many other lesser charges - and has a report to back up those lesser charges.
It will be up to someone else (guess who?) to initiate that.

F**k! Just when you hoped the runway would be cleared of debris.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
82. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

A rightwing nutjob hater might, but a reasonable prosecutor? "Comey" don't play that, now, does he?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
84. Hortensis was first! But it does bear repeating, over and over again!
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

The people who want to be UNREASONABLE will continue to whine and cry about this matter.

Director Comey has quite thoughtfully characterized those people already, so we don't have to!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
109. Did you mean the FBI finding: "NO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?"
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

If not that one, how about Comey's finding: "NO WILLFUL OR INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT?" or "NO INDICATIONS OF DISLOYALTY TO THE UNITED STATES?"

Of course these do matter, tremendously, to those who've been wet-dreaming about destroying this nice woman, wife, friend, mother, grandmother, presidential candidate. That Hillary is PROVEN innocent is turning out to be a tremendous disappointment to many, right wing nutjob haters and unfortunately others, for whom, frankly, that little detail never did matter.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
114. No, I meant this one:
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jul 2016

“To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences,” Comey said. “To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.”

That's the door that was left open, and its almost as if he taunting 'someone' to follow-up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
115. People aren't indicted for "administrative sanctions,"
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jul 2016

and while there Hillary was the boss, a presidential appointee, not one of the many thousands of employees this was meant for. I listened to every word, but if you want to dig around for another fingerling potato go to it.

Comey regarding carelessness in the State Department: "No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." And the huge BIGGIEs, the three aircraft carrier-size potatoes: "No willful or intentional misconduct, no indications of disloyalty to the United States, no efforts to obstruct justice."

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
117. I wasn't talking about indictment. I don't believe I mentioned it once.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

I know what the difference is. You can all move on from 'indictment' now.

Response to floppyboo (Reply #114)

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
170. Innocence was not proven, neither was intent. It is a non issue that grows mistrust
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jul 2016

the e-mails were always nothing to be concerned about, but the findings confirmed negligence, not innocense. she skated and it is time to put it to bed.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
97. No one is arguing that. We've all got eyes and ears.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

There is the issue of security clearances, which my gut says the DOJ will be fine with. It's all the other noise.
Back to listening to Obama. He's knockin it out of the park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
171. If you haven't noticed by now, some in America have
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jul 2016

special rights and privileges that place them above the law. It takes a certain level of money, connections, and power to get to the point where "I didn't mean to do it" carries weight with the federal justice system.

brush

(53,791 posts)
20. I watched it too and that passage made me think of some one else who did just that — Snowden
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jul 2016

And I would bet that many of the ones praying for a Clinton indictment are big supporters of Snowden.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
44. Would that mean Comey supports Snowden??? Or that Snowden supporters are pro-Hillary?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

Huh? Too much coffee and information for my fly brain.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
91. That is the part of this that disgusts me most.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jul 2016

When I read that stuff out there about her from Snowden supporters, it just reeks of the idea that they wouldn't even care if she were innocent of something. They'd want to send her to jail anyway if it helps their candidate. It's so despicable.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
112. Yup, yup, and yup. The most morally bankrupt
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jul 2016

and hypocritical see the expectations of others for honesty as opportunity to exploit for attacks, and, as with this current issue, occasionally as an imaginary bunkered position to take over, use, and abandon.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
127. I'm good. I'm taking July off in real life politically ...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jul 2016

so that starting back in August I will refreshed and ready to grind ... We have a Senator to replace and in my Township a team of 4 (out of seven) incumbent Council members to re-elect!

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
136. In comparison, I am about to OD on politics for July
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016

I am a Clinton delegate to the National Convention. It is an once in a lifetime chance and there may be some real floor fights.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jul 2016

Well, well, well--there it is!! Worth repeating, several times, too:

"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey


"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey


"No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." -- FBI Director Comey

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
17. Absolutely its a victory... a victory for common sense and fairness.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jul 2016

If the FBI recommended legal action that would have been a huge unfair injustice to a dedicated public servant.

She didnt follow all the rules and regs precisely but she is no criminal... far from it.. very far from it.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
156. he did not say she isnt a criminal, he said it would not be easy to indict so far
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jul 2016

he left the door wide open for GOP to step through and you know they will

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
163. there are degrees of criminality. He can not prosecute without solid proof of intent
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jul 2016

that does not mean she is innocent of gross negligence as he clearly accuses her of. Her obsession for secrecy got her into this trouble, it is self destruction and no one else's fault. As Pres, she can classify what she wishes and avoid daylight, but trust is really hard to reclaim.

Hillary's followers are celebrating that she is innocent, when the findings state she is not. The charges were negligence, not intent to share data with enemies. The foundation e-mails were not part of this investigation, and will not be brought forth for many months, a separate investigation with too many players to cover up. Luckily the Clintons have allies in high places and will never see a jail cell, but the people will know just how corrupt politics are and those they adored are just as corrupt as the next one. Salaries in DC are low, they do not seek office to serve the people, clearly, but go to wheel and deal under the table for millions.

The public sees the corruption in DC so they praise the very few innocent politicians who stay out of the pool. Those who Adore any candidate and assume any are clean and cares are just fooling themselves. The few clean and caring politicians are trampled daily, and are hated by the few people who want to be blind, for no reason at all. These good politicians say "We", not "Me", and they care about cleaning the toilet that is DC.You can count them on two hands.

Hillary's opponent is not a politician, so he draws those who are sick of DC, and that number is vast, and unfortunately he can use shades of gray to attack Hillary. He is a buffoon and spontaneous liar, he spouts absurdities and is not liked either. His followers do not believe his flip flops, they are just sick of the corruption in DC so will vote for the non-politician and hope Congress will neuter him. It is a revolution of another breed than Bernie's, but a social uproar nevertheless.

It is a time for a revolution, we cannot go on for the next four years of the same old crap. I prefer Bernie's organized plan over Trumps violent followers just venting. I do not see a plan with Hillary for productive changes to save our country, especially with this critical statement from Comey and the GOP just waiting to launch so many investigations. It will be another 4 yrs of gridlock while bridges fall down

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
164. I think she is completely innocent of anything resembling a crime.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jul 2016

She is guilty of simply being a bit too controlling and not following all the rules and regs perfectly. It is my understanding the "mishandling" of classified information is quite common among government officials and staff. Often is out of necessity to simply get the job done. She is a long-time dedicated public servant who would never intentionally do anything to risk this country's security.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
168. that is just another mistake, less damaging than the previous mistakes
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

secrecy was the intent, not a crime, but suspect. Sharing data with the enemy is a crime which she did not intend, clearly.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
177. then we have to agree to disagree, it is a habit over several years
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

perhaps born of being a target forever, but I believe where there is smoke there is fire, especially after 40 yrs of smoke

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
201. It has nothing to do with friends in high places
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jul 2016

Comey is untouchable. He made a decision based on the facts, which were extensively investigated.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
23. Yes, I do. What else could they say, we wasted months
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

Months we could have focused on terrorists or some real crime???

lapucelle

(18,276 posts)
33. It's always a bad sign when you have to make stuff up to support an argument.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016

"the fact that there are no consequences for her, when there most certainly would be for anyone else..."
That's not a fact. You made that up.

I'm more concerned with why the FBI director felt entitled to engage in partisan speculation concerning a presidential candidate. That was a clear breach in ethics. Comey should step down.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
121. I didn't make anything up...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jul 2016

...here it is in Comey's statement:

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. Yes it is. The consequence was the investigation.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jul 2016

There are many who were hoping upon hope that there would be an indictment, and the disappointment is so overwhelming, that they can't bring themselves to see it for what it is.

A victory.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
49. I agree -- she was treated differently
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

No one else would have smeared like this but Hillary. No one else who was INNOCENT would have been subjected to that presser.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
89. Are you making these criticisms in order to help Hillary become a better candidate per the rules?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

It certainly doesn't sound that way.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
94. Hah! The Republican FBI director just couldn't resist adding his politically-motivated
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

comments to his announcement of his decision that the facts did not support a "reasonable prosecutor" pressing charges.

This was no confirmation of anything except that she never broke any law. But the Rethugs were determined to crucify her while ignoring the fact that during the immediately preceding administration, 22 million White House emails held on the RNC server were purposefully deleted and withheld from the investigation about the US attorneys scandal.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
152. If he could demonstrate that she broke a law, then he would have.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jul 2016

All he could do was say that in his opinion certain conversations were too sensitive to be handled in email.

But his personal opinion didn't matter, as he clearly understands. The law did.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Yes,there are bigger issues to take care of.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

Now,can we get back to the people issues within this campaign.

Remember,Comey was the lead investigator for Ken Starr,and we know how that Witch Hunt ended.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
15. Wow, how could I have forgotten that tidbit? Suggest you make this an OP.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

Or at least repeat it often.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
21. Thanks,
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

there are a few of us here that are trying to get our Party back to the people issues.

BTW,Cable News are in full test various Frank Luntz focus group themes today. Appears the so called independent media are going to make a run at dumping Trump.

The other theme is Hillary is guilty of something,and we don't know what it is. Next one is Polls show less honest than Trump. The latter is in major play in our Vegas market. Every TV station runs this as the lead in their News updates.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
113. Wow, me too. Needs repeating. I only remembered
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jul 2016

him rushing to AG Ashcroft's ICU bed to keep him from being pressured into reauthorizing W's illegal surveillance program.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. Rightwingers have no shame, thats why they spread bullshit with such glee
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jul 2016

Anybody participating was probably not a real democrat anyway.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
28. They were salt of the earth bullshitters, you know
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

morons. This is the final nail in the coffin of all the 10 percent of Sanders supporters were holding out for (when the other 10 percent went Trump). They will now find something new to hold out for.

 

HamiltonSwan

(38 posts)
135. One poster is hoping the Republicans "save them".
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jul 2016

The entire site is full of unbalanced people who don't know a damn thing about politics, or civics and how our elections work for that matter.

Crackpots and cranks every one of them.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
191. Agreed! And welcome to DU :-)
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016

Jackass Delusionals website is full of 100% certifiable, low-information, low-capacity morons.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
46. I love the glowing reviews for Comey as they gleefully anticipated.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

And the instant about face after the fact.

Amazing.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
77. the crazy left and the crazy right eventually find common ground by going
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jul 2016

so far around the bend they run into each other from opposite directions

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
85. Lol, there's a reason I refer to that cesspool as jackass radicals.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

They are either completely delusional on how clearances, or the federal government operates or they are completely detached from reality. Either way I'm happy they found somewhere new to spew all if their nonsense & hate.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
126. OMG lol- they are hoping Asssange or Guccifer will "bring her down".....
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jul 2016

Well I hope they hold their collective breaths.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
131. And to show you how clueless they are they say they hope Bernie goes Green.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/on-pbs-hillary-spinner-says-she-would-say-she-made-a-mistake/

Here is a newsflash for them, the Greens already have their Presidential nominee and it's not Bernie.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
39. I am just glad DU does not have a whole forum dedicated to
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

"Clinton Email Investigation and Timeline" That would be over the top.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
57. K&R! ^^^This!^^^ Spot ON. SHAME on them all! How can any reasonable Liberal or Progressive
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

fall for RW propaganda against one of our own without considering the facts and without considering how the RW have hunted and hounded President Bill Clinton for eight-plus years? How can they so easily fall for RW-gossip and propaganda that attacks any Democrat?

I always say to this...if you don't stand for anything (taking a stand on a political Party, for example), you'll fall for everything.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
60. I don't consider it a victory
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

Glad there was no indictment, but this whole situation was not a good look for Ms. Clinton, imo.
She done f-ed up. Big time.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
69. DU rec...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

fortunately, most of the most zealous smearers have decamped for viler pastures.

Fuck 'em.



Sid

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
71. IMO, it would be better not to gloat.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

Reckless and careless are not attributes usually considered positive in a presidential candidate and I'm sure the right will be using Comey's words in their advertising.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
72. Compared to that smug certainty that she would be indicted, meh.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

No one cares anymore. The story won't even be mentioned by the middle of next week.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
75. Sure, as long as the judge doesn't have 'Mexican Heritage'
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

He's a liar and a birther.

Of course he will campaign on this. So what?

(Not to mention he has plenty of lawsuits against him as we speak)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
93. You think a candidate vowing to throw the opposition in prison makes for an attractive
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

campaign pitch?

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
162. Did I say that? No.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jul 2016

Comey says no intent so no indictment. I'm only warning that Trump is going to make a whole lot of hay over this. At this point I want Hillary to win the damn election because Trump is fucking crazy.

Cordy

(82 posts)
205. So why help them?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

In the Comey report the word reckless and negligent are not there, it was never said of Hillary. Kind of like when the right said her server was "unsecure." It was secure, and unsecure was a media hype word. During her tenor the SD was hacked twice, while her system was never breached.

Save those terms for Trump, like untrustworthy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. The rightwingers who were cheering for an indictment don't deserve any
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

attention beyond a quick "point/laugh." Trump and his minions are the ones who have been flogging this hare-brained hope, which we KNEW was not an issue because the FBI long, LONG ago said Clinton was not a target of their investigation.

Why these Trumpeteers--and Trump, himself--continued to ignore this rather key fact has everything to do with trying to win while fomenting "Hillary Hatred." It wasn't ever going to work, anyone with half a toe in the pool of reality knew this months ago, and they're just going to have to deal with their disappointment in any way they can manage:




Poor Donald and his Orangemen...he must be SO disappointed!

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
88. Oh, trust me. It hurts.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

I couldn't help but peer over at a certain jaded, pathetic, and rabid hate site (and no, I'm not talking about the Freepers) and saw a meltdown of massive proportions. I don't think I've seen people this freaking out. I wish I could say it wasn't fun to watch but it kinda was.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
98. I saw that place too
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jul 2016

Can't say I didn't LMAO the whole time because many of them are very vile people and deserve to hurt right now.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
99. Yea, I saw it too
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

Guided by a link in a post above. And I don't think I ever seen such a large collection of "revolutionary" trash gathered on a single site at the same time. But then again......

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
102. It amazes me that posting links to that site on DU doesn't violate the new rules.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

There's as much vitriol against our presumptive candidate on that website as there is on any right wing news source, blog, or hate site.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
107. Skinner needs to take a long hard look at those usernames.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

I cannot in good conscious consider those people anything but trolls if they come come back to DU. And to think some of them are HOSTS here.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
105. It's like a thousand other conspiracy shitstorms that proved to be nothing.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

It provided more than a year of feeding frenzy and conspiracy fodder.
There was nothing to it.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
118. Agreed! That Comey guy has been investigating the Clintons for decades, so that
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

alone tells you what sort of bullshit was underfoot. It was obvious this whole fake "scandal" was just more of the same.

I won't even bother to try and pretend this was ever about "issues". I don't care either how upset people are that another phony "scandal" blew up in their faces. I'll just smirk quietly at all the 'splodey heads.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
134. K & R and A-FREAKIN'-men.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

Screw the Jackass Delusionals.
Screw FOX noise.
Screw Trump & Co.

They're all one and the same, and they can all go to hell.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
145. Good Lord...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jul 2016

It's not a matter of being gracious...

It's a matter of being "not" totally clueless. Okay, so a lot of folks didn't know a RW smear when they saw one. Hopefully, they were very, very young folks.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
147. The vultures were circling for months now, but their prey escaped to live another day.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jul 2016

RW heads are exploding everywhere. Those on the Left who were counting on an indictment, like nut job H.A. Goodman, are also having a bad day.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
154. nothing was proven wrong, it just isnt inditable at this time, take a deep breath, but do
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jul 2016

not fool yourself. Nothing said was flattering or a cause for relief, in fact Comey was a bit brutal.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
175. The wishes of the indictment wishers were not granted.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jul 2016

What part of that don't you understand?

Folks like the seminal poster and myself were right and our nemeses were wrong.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
160. This Bernie supporter never thought she would or should be indicted.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jul 2016

I don't like many things about her, but I agreed with Bernie that the email stuff was a distraction.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
178. My suggestion to you is to que the video of the entire press conference.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

Take five deep breathes and then watch it as if they were talking about someone that you had no vested interest it. The speech was funnel shaped in that a lot of important information at the top was spelled out and as he went on, at the bottom of the speech where few words remained ....you thought you heard that she was innocent. Listen again because that is not what was said.

I think we could look at it as a victory for her in that it looks like she has avoided prosecution. She would have liked to hear, 'no crimes committed' but unfortunately she did not.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
199. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is if there were criminal charges or not.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jul 2016

The rest of it is an area that doesn't terribly interest most people.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
198. They were asking if you feel like you're on the losing side of an argument. Were you hoping for an
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jul 2016

indictment? If so, I really don't have much to say to you other than "Ha! Ha!"

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
197. I will not apologize for gloating in the faces of people who wanted our candidate to go to prison.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jul 2016

They have a lot to apologize for and I will not be magnanimous toward them.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
193. +1000
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

Goodman , Greenwald, Sirota and the rest of the Emoprog scribes can shove it straight up their assholes with the rest of the garbage...

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
194. Right-wing Republicans are very, very sad today.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton, and Democrats, are celebrating the end of yet another partisan anti-Clinton witch hunt.

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