2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs it now safe to say that Comey, like almost all republicans is a hypocrite, and either
a liar, or grossly incompetent.
ironic, isn't it?
he didn't even know WTF upclassifiying was!!!!!
Comey, can you go back to your investo and tell us WHICH emails, exactly, were classified, for starters?
what an asshole
too bad the media are leaving that all alone, along with his participation in the Whitewater Inquisition; there has been absolutely no mention of that in the several days I've unhealthily devoted to the cable highjinks.
mind is mush, clearly, but something has to be said about this travesty, and comey's role in it
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)correct my assumptions
and PLEASE justify his gratuitous editorializing before his surprise, to the pugs, refusal to indict
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/07/hillary_s_email_scandal_was_overhyped.html
Top secret information is another matter, but the stuff that showed up in Clintons private email wasnt so special. Seven of the eight email chains dealt with CIA drone strikes, which are classified top secret/special access programunlike Defense Department drone strikes, which are unclassified. The difference is that CIA drones hit targets in countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where we are not officially at war; they are part of covert operations. (Defense Department drone strikes are in places where we are officially at war.) But these operations are covert mainly to provide cover for the Pakistani and Yemeni governments, so they dont have to admit theyre cooperating with America. Everyone in the world knows about these strikes; nongovernment organizations, such as New America, tabulate them; newspapers around the worldincluding the New York Times, where some of the same reporters are now writing so breathlessly about Clintons careless handling of classified informationcover these strikes routinely.
The other top secret email chain described a conversation with the president of Malawi. Conversations with foreign leaders are inherently classified.
In other words, even if Russian, Chinese, Iranian, or Syrian spies had hacked into Clintons email servers, and if theyd pored through 60,000 emails and come across these eight chains that held top secret material, they would not have learned anything the slightest bit new or worthy of their efforts. The FBIs discoveries should be viewed in that context.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)it to what these cretins are doing now, 22 years later
the Whitewater investigation, btw, lasted for SIX years.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)It was a win/win for him.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Who cleared Hillary from criminal charges and who Dem representatives went out of their way to defend today is a hypocrite? What exactly did he do wrong?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)reputation with a bunch, it turns out AFA the important stuff, CRAP, as in zero actually marked classified emails, when he claimed that there were at least a hundred. he called her recklessly careless, incompetent, etc., when it turns out his own investigation was even more so, to the point that he had to be schooled on the meaning of upclassification today at the hearings! that's what I'm talking about
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Over 100 emails were determined to contain confidential information relating to national security, including several that were "top secret." Those documents weren't marked "confidential" or "top secret" at the time sent, as Comey explained today, but should not have been on a private server. Are you arguing that Hillary couldn't distinguish between top secret and other communications?
Hillary's use of a private server to conduct official business is inexcusable. No other SOS used this type of arrangement, it wasn't approved and was a serious lapse of judgment. Hillary has admitted as much, so I'm not sure why her apologists on DU insist on defending the indefensible.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)to meet the standards of secret, or whatever designation you choose to label them
that's what came out today
his investigation was compromised by his mistakes, which was the best he could do in failing to call for indictment, which is the reason he's a fricking hypocrite. you chose not to respond to that
that said, he had NO business editorializing about the other matters. he was completely out of bounds, and has been called unethical by those who know better than I--until yesterday I didn't even know that's considered a no no in normal judicial practice.
he should have simply stated that there was no case for prosecution, and STOPPED at that. that's what an ethical prosecutor does, and having been one himself, is very well aware of that. why don't you go find some statements he's made in the past where he's announced that no prosecution would happen in a case upon which he worked. dollars to donuts, he's very rarely, if ever, spun out the extraneous, irrelevant to prosecution 'factoids,' he spewed the other day. that was NOT his job. he 's nothing but a partisan hack, and has been ever since he signed on with Ken Starr over 20 years ago.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)It is undisputed that over 100 emails contained confidential or higher info, including some designated top secret. Only a few of those were tagged at the time of transmittal as confidential, but that doesn't change the content of the emails. I'm sure you know this though, since you've been posting on this topic for the last two days.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)but they came from newspaper accounts of drone strikes.
Colin Powell also used a private server. His was a private commercial server, but the applicable law doesn't distinguish between a private commercial server or a private individual server. Her arrangement wasn't barred anymore than his was, though neither one of them used the preferred .gov system.
Hillary didn't say her use of the server was "inexcusable." That's the formulation used by haters. She said it was a "mistake." And I agree. Even though her system meant that she could respond to the FOIA -- almost all her emails got preserved whereas virtually none (about .0006%) during the same period in the .gov system were being preserved -- it was a mistake for her to try to do something better. A mistake because haters could use it against her.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Did not use a private server. Christ, why do you keep twisting the facts to excuse Hillary's fuck up? She already admitted it was a mistake, a fact confirmed by the FBI's investigation. She wasn't "trying to do something better," she was doing something convenient for Hillary. I haven't seen a single legitimate story defending her actions, only a few folks on DU trying to deflect blame. Just admit she was wrong, she shouldn't have done it and move on to the GE.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and Colin Powell used an AOL account exclusively. And when State asked him for his archived emails, he responded that he couldn't provide them because he deleted them all when he left office.
If you haven't seen a "single legitimate story defending her actions," it's because you're closing your eyes. There's at least one right in this thread because I put it there. And there are many more out there.