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Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:47 PM Jul 2016

Is it now safe to say that Comey, like almost all republicans is a hypocrite, and either

a liar, or grossly incompetent.

ironic, isn't it?

he didn't even know WTF upclassifiying was!!!!!

Comey, can you go back to your investo and tell us WHICH emails, exactly, were classified, for starters?

what an asshole

too bad the media are leaving that all alone, along with his participation in the Whitewater Inquisition; there has been absolutely no mention of that in the several days I've unhealthily devoted to the cable highjinks.

mind is mush, clearly, but something has to be said about this travesty, and comey's role in it

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Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
1. and, comey defenders, if I've made a mistake here, please
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jul 2016

correct my assumptions

and PLEASE justify his gratuitous editorializing before his surprise, to the pugs, refusal to indict

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. Thought you might be interested in this, Gabi.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jul 2016
The Hillary Clinton Email Scandal Was Totally Overblown

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/07/hillary_s_email_scandal_was_overhyped.html

Top secret information is another matter, but the stuff that showed up in Clinton’s private email wasn’t so special. Seven of the eight email chains dealt with CIA drone strikes, which are classified top secret/special access program—unlike Defense Department drone strikes, which are unclassified. The difference is that CIA drones hit targets in countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where we are not officially at war; they are part of covert operations. (Defense Department drone strikes are in places where we are officially at war.) But these operations are covert mainly to provide cover for the Pakistani and Yemeni governments, so they don’t have to admit they’re cooperating with America. Everyone in the world knows about these strikes; nongovernment organizations, such as New America, tabulate them; newspapers around the world—including the New York Times, where some of the same reporters are now writing so breathlessly about Clinton’s careless handling of classified information—cover these strikes routinely.

The other top secret email chain described a conversation with the president of Malawi. Conversations with foreign leaders are inherently classified.

In other words, even if Russian, Chinese, Iranian, or Syrian spies had hacked into Clinton’s email servers, and if they’d pored through 60,000 emails and come across these eight chains that held top secret material, they would not have learned anything the slightest bit new or worthy of their efforts. The FBI’s discoveries should be viewed in that context.
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
2. chris hayes doing a fantastic summation of whitewater, comparing
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

it to what these cretins are doing now, 22 years later

the Whitewater investigation, btw, lasted for SIX years.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
5. So the guy who is head of the FBI
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jul 2016

Who cleared Hillary from criminal charges and who Dem representatives went out of their way to defend today is a hypocrite? What exactly did he do wrong?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
6. he went out of his way, and exceeded his fiat to bludgeon her
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jul 2016

reputation with a bunch, it turns out AFA the important stuff, CRAP, as in zero actually marked classified emails, when he claimed that there were at least a hundred. he called her recklessly careless, incompetent, etc., when it turns out his own investigation was even more so, to the point that he had to be schooled on the meaning of upclassification today at the hearings! that's what I'm talking about

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
7. He stated the facts of the investigation
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jul 2016

Over 100 emails were determined to contain confidential information relating to national security, including several that were "top secret." Those documents weren't marked "confidential" or "top secret" at the time sent, as Comey explained today, but should not have been on a private server. Are you arguing that Hillary couldn't distinguish between top secret and other communications?

Hillary's use of a private server to conduct official business is inexcusable. No other SOS used this type of arrangement, it wasn't approved and was a serious lapse of judgment. Hillary has admitted as much, so I'm not sure why her apologists on DU insist on defending the indefensible.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
8. it's my understanding that NONE of those emails have subsequently been found
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jul 2016

to meet the standards of secret, or whatever designation you choose to label them

that's what came out today

his investigation was compromised by his mistakes, which was the best he could do in failing to call for indictment, which is the reason he's a fricking hypocrite. you chose not to respond to that

that said, he had NO business editorializing about the other matters. he was completely out of bounds, and has been called unethical by those who know better than I--until yesterday I didn't even know that's considered a no no in normal judicial practice.

he should have simply stated that there was no case for prosecution, and STOPPED at that. that's what an ethical prosecutor does, and having been one himself, is very well aware of that. why don't you go find some statements he's made in the past where he's announced that no prosecution would happen in a case upon which he worked. dollars to donuts, he's very rarely, if ever, spun out the extraneous, irrelevant to prosecution 'factoids,' he spewed the other day. that was NOT his job. he 's nothing but a partisan hack, and has been ever since he signed on with Ken Starr over 20 years ago.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
9. Sticking to the email issue
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jul 2016

It is undisputed that over 100 emails contained confidential or higher info, including some designated top secret. Only a few of those were tagged at the time of transmittal as confidential, but that doesn't change the content of the emails. I'm sure you know this though, since you've been posting on this topic for the last two days.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
10. He implied that she had gotten the info from classified sources --
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

but they came from newspaper accounts of drone strikes.

Colin Powell also used a private server. His was a private commercial server, but the applicable law doesn't distinguish between a private commercial server or a private individual server. Her arrangement wasn't barred anymore than his was, though neither one of them used the preferred .gov system.

Hillary didn't say her use of the server was "inexcusable." That's the formulation used by haters. She said it was a "mistake." And I agree. Even though her system meant that she could respond to the FOIA -- almost all her emails got preserved whereas virtually none (about .0006%) during the same period in the .gov system were being preserved -- it was a mistake for her to try to do something better. A mistake because haters could use it against her.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
11. Colin Powell
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jul 2016

Did not use a private server. Christ, why do you keep twisting the facts to excuse Hillary's fuck up? She already admitted it was a mistake, a fact confirmed by the FBI's investigation. She wasn't "trying to do something better," she was doing something convenient for Hillary. I haven't seen a single legitimate story defending her actions, only a few folks on DU trying to deflect blame. Just admit she was wrong, she shouldn't have done it and move on to the GE.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. Guess what? AOL is a private corporation, not a government entity,
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jul 2016

and Colin Powell used an AOL account exclusively. And when State asked him for his archived emails, he responded that he couldn't provide them because he deleted them all when he left office.

If you haven't seen a "single legitimate story defending her actions," it's because you're closing your eyes. There's at least one right in this thread because I put it there. And there are many more out there.

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