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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:57 AM Jul 2016

Clinton Narrows Her VP Short List

Hillary Clinton’s short list of running mate contenders is down to five names, CNN reports.

The list: Sen. Tim Kaine, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sen. Sherrod Brown, Tom Vilsack and Tom Perez.

“She has a preferred candidate or two in mind, CNN has learned, but intends to keep her options open until Donald Trump reveals his selection.”

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https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/07/clinton-narrows-her-vp-short-list/

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Clinton Narrows Her VP Short List (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2016 OP
If true, pick a Tom, leave the senate in tact and build. morningfog Jul 2016 #1
Don't understand why he's not on that list. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #2
To be fair, I take this list with a grain of salt. morningfog Jul 2016 #4
I know this is petty, but Perez is just not physically attractive. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #5
and Trump and Christie and Newt are poster models?? AntiBank Jul 2016 #54
Of course not! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #59
Tom Perez has an attractive personality, with a ton of Hortensis Jul 2016 #69
Ok, guess I need to get to know him better. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #70
Interesting response. I'd like a chance to see Hortensis Jul 2016 #71
He's sounding better and better! Thanks for your input! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #72
Lol. I don't want to elevate appearance, but Hortensis Jul 2016 #76
We'll have to stay tuned. It will definitely be interesting! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #80
I laugh every time I think of it. Can only hope. Hortensis Jul 2016 #81
Rump wants to start his own tabloid tv station. Newt is the perfect co-host for that clown! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #89
A very attractive one, I suspect, although I also Hortensis Jul 2016 #90
Really? I think he's kinda sexy! floppyboo Jul 2016 #123
Not only petty, but completely out of line Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #56
Tom Perez looks very normal IronLionZion Jul 2016 #66
A good list other than Perez Yupster Jul 2016 #109
Hey Night Watchman Jul 2016 #115
He is awesome. iandhr Jul 2016 #27
They would learn fast! I don't think that's a huge issue for the VP. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #37
But they would quickly learn who he is. And I think they would like what they learn. StevieM Jul 2016 #38
Agreed. I think Becerra is fantastic and I wish she would pick him. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #35
as long as its not Tom Vilsack or Tom Perez rurallib Jul 2016 #21
I don't think any of the 5 on that list are good picks. morningfog Jul 2016 #23
I agree that that group does not excite me rurallib Jul 2016 #24
Count me in the Becerra column. Metric System Jul 2016 #106
I was also thinking Becerra. I am surprised that he didn't make the final cut. StevieM Jul 2016 #34
I agree with you on Becerra. I heard him being interviewed recently pnwmom Jul 2016 #92
Experienced, intelligent, wouldn't cause any seat losses and would morningfog Jul 2016 #93
I really like him hollowdweller Jul 2016 #125
To unify the party, it has to be Warren Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #3
I'm not sure that's true, really. MineralMan Jul 2016 #7
I don't think that's true, but it should be Warren. musicblind Jul 2016 #146
Vilsack would be terrible. Renew Deal Jul 2016 #6
Ohio needs Sherrod Brown to stay in the Senate rbrnmw Jul 2016 #104
Vilsack would be a good choice. HassleCat Jul 2016 #8
Vilsack is from Iowa, not Ohio. DonViejo Jul 2016 #11
Oh, that's right. Blows my theory. HassleCat Jul 2016 #14
Kaine's pro-life... DonViejo Jul 2016 #16
I think it's important to phrase this correctly leftynyc Jul 2016 #18
True. I stand corrected. Thanks! DonViejo Jul 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #55
My heart wants Warren leftynyc Jul 2016 #61
In Tim Kaine's case, it's potentially too much of a distinction without merit. Chan790 Jul 2016 #96
Very good considerations Chan790. nt floppyboo Jul 2016 #124
A problem that might not be a problem. HassleCat Jul 2016 #22
You're posting unsubstantiated nonsense Renew Deal Jul 2016 #26
OK. Substantiate Clinton's position. HassleCat Jul 2016 #28
How about proving your claim Renew Deal Jul 2016 #36
Here's an example. HassleCat Jul 2016 #51
Article undercuts every specious claim you've made. End of Hyde Amendment is a great thing. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #57
We see what we want to see HassleCat Jul 2016 #65
Sorry, I'll continue to call false smears when I see them. Willful misinterpretation emulatorloo Jul 2016 #67
HRC wants exceptions for late-term Hortensis Jul 2016 #105
Unmitigated bullshit as to HRC's position on Reproductive Freedom emulatorloo Jul 2016 #50
I would be more credible? HassleCat Jul 2016 #58
You just posted an article 'supporting' your specious claims that totally undercut your claims emulatorloo Jul 2016 #62
He is similar to a lot of catholic Dems. iandhr Jul 2016 #84
Iowa is also a swing state. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #39
Vilsack and Kaine are boring. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #44
Brown would be the case to be made for Ohio still_one Jul 2016 #52
Maybe blows 2 of your theories SharonClark Jul 2016 #64
Unfortunately, words have meanings. Chan790 Jul 2016 #98
I woulf sure hate to lose Sherrod Brown, my Senator Cirque du So-What Jul 2016 #9
I hope this isn't her final short-list. None of the names will do her much good. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #10
The wuestion is why does it have to be someone in the Senate bigdarryl Jul 2016 #15
Tradition? But I believe we'd bucked "tradition" when we elected the first African-American BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #32
"None of the names will do her much good." Oh, really?... DonViejo Jul 2016 #17
EW is in the Senate, is Senator of MA, and MA has a Repub Gov. Same things for Sherrod Brown. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #29
I'm very aware of what state Warren represents,.... DonViejo Jul 2016 #40
I will support whomever Hillary Clinton chooses. I can't afford not to. But my hope and dream is BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #47
her replacement is a bit more complicated than that. Exilednight Jul 2016 #147
If Warren is Clinton's VP, Harry Reid has a plan to replace her (but not the other Senators) w4rma Jul 2016 #130
Vilsack? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12
Ha Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #13
Yeah. Got a chill when I read that name, too. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #30
The United States of Monsanto Armstead Jul 2016 #19
No Castro, eh? Arkana Jul 2016 #25
I would love Warren! mblock Jul 2016 #31
I am surprised that Becerra didn't make the final cut. I really thought that she might pick him. StevieM Jul 2016 #41
Why Tom Vilsack? NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #33
Two reasons. First, he is from Iowa, which is a swing state. StevieM Jul 2016 #42
He may just seem like a really nice guy, but he's also very intelligent Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #114
Maybe some people just enjoy saying "Vilsack" Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #143
Tim Kaine seems like the best choice drray23 Jul 2016 #43
I think Gov. Mark Dayton MN. would gain her some liberal favor. nt Snotcicles Jul 2016 #45
Dayton has health problems. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #46
I wish Sen. Franken were on the list. But then, CNN may not have the right info. spooky3 Jul 2016 #97
The Wow Factor Dictates bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #48
I think you have something there DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #63
Both parties do this dance bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #94
Becerra would be a good choice. gademocrat7 Jul 2016 #49
I hope it's Elizabeth Warren or Tom Perez. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #53
It won't be. NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #132
Maybe HRC will choose a centrist VP, but Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #133
Only one real choice! yallerdawg Jul 2016 #60
I'm with Her and Her. nt jcgoldie Jul 2016 #73
We can't break with historic precedent! yallerdawg Jul 2016 #74
Ha. Love this framing. tammywammy Jul 2016 #118
Kaine? Vilsack? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #68
Vilsack? Ohferkrissakes Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #75
A Vilsack pick would confirm many of the worst fears of a Clinton candidacy. nt villager Jul 2016 #77
So would a Kaine pick. n/t Chan790 Jul 2016 #99
where is Julian Castro on that "short list?" n/t chillfactor Jul 2016 #78
Right where he belongs. Chan790 Jul 2016 #100
Awww, I was really hoping it would be Xavier Becerra! lunamagica Jul 2016 #79
Gee xavier becerra DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #82
If so, hoping for a Tom or a Tim. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #83
can the VP hold more than one executive position? andym Jul 2016 #85
How are Kaine's debate skills, and is he a good orator? Native Jul 2016 #86
He's boring as hell. I can't think why he'd be picked. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #87
If this is true, I'm glad that Castro is no longer being considered. BlueStater Jul 2016 #88
Yesterday's Mother Jones article says Castro Hortensis Jul 2016 #102
My money is on Sherrod Don Draper Jul 2016 #91
me, too. Brown is a cool guy and I think a good guy. He seems pretty progressive, IIRC... CTyankee Jul 2016 #135
Dammit, the one name I wanted to see dropped from the longer list to this short list is there still. Chan790 Jul 2016 #95
Corey Booker? floppyboo Jul 2016 #122
No, I wanted to see Kaine removed from consideration. Chan790 Jul 2016 #128
NO to Kaine MFM008 Jul 2016 #101
She messed up not keeping Franken. He is the best one IMO. nt Logical Jul 2016 #103
Does he have any skeletons from his SNL days? I know that was quite a party scene. Metric System Jul 2016 #107
Good question. nt Logical Jul 2016 #108
I'm sure the Reps would run an ad with old footage of Stuart Smalley LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #136
My bet is Clinton picking Warren. n/t Matt_R Jul 2016 #110
I don't remember gogo_du Jul 2016 #111
In 2004, I was interested in who John Kerry's VP choice would be Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #116
It definitely will not be Brown because John Kasich.... jg10003 Jul 2016 #112
I hope it's Elizabeth Warren. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #113
Neither Kaine nor Vilsack bring anythink exciting to the table except that they widen the divide Vote2016 Jul 2016 #117
Three who should also be on the list: EffieBlack Jul 2016 #119
Elizabeth Warren would best serve Democratic interests by remaining in the Senate INdemo Jul 2016 #120
I remember what Vilsack did to Shirley Sherrod...not sure I like the idea of him as VP. DemocraticWing Jul 2016 #121
Yes, the only thing Tom Vilsack did as Ag Secretary Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #127
Still wish Al Franken was on her list. mentalsolstice Jul 2016 #126
Though Brown could help deliver OH, Mendocino Jul 2016 #129
Just saw Jonathon Capehart (Clinton Surrogate) on AM Joy on MSNBC sangfroid Jul 2016 #131
I simply don't believe CNN BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #134
I think these are good choices. IrishEyes Jul 2016 #137
I wonder where Castro went. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #138
Isn't Vilsack the almost veep every four years? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #140
My strong preference is Senator Warren. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #141
Interesting choices. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #142
The pick will be in response to the flamingdem Jul 2016 #144
I sinerely hope Elizebeth Warren stays in the Senate and President Clinton hands her the baton ... marble falls Jul 2016 #145

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
5. I know this is petty, but Perez is just not physically attractive.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jul 2016

Unfortunately, in this media dominated world, that is important.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. Tom Perez has an attractive personality, with a ton of
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jul 2016

friends and admirers among those who know him, and he and Hillary wouldn't look like two plump loaves of Wonder Bread on the podium. As far as appearances alone go. And he looks a man who means what he says.

Vilsack and Kaine are both really good men. If she chooses one, fine, it's her choice. But I don't know how committed either would be to pushing for as much reform as possible.

I'm hoping for Warren, followed by Perez, but both are going to be doing big things if she wins, regardless.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
70. Ok, guess I need to get to know him better.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jul 2016

Every time I've seen him on tv, not often, I have been somewhat put off by his physical appearance, NOT by what he said, which was always great.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
71. Interesting response. I'd like a chance to see
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jul 2016

him on the podium. I find him most attractive when he's talking tough. His smile IS a little goofy.

But the important thing is, I believe he is tough.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
72. He's sounding better and better! Thanks for your input!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jul 2016


Also wanted to add that tough is extremely important. It's why I no longer put Castro at the top of my list. He just seems a little too green to handle a POS like Rump and his minions. But, I could also be wrong about that! Cause what do I know?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
76. Lol. I don't want to elevate appearance, but
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jul 2016

you remind me of when I posted about both Castro and Perez and went to look for a picture of each. Plenty serious pictures of Perez, but I could not find a single picture of Castro with a good alpha male scowl instead of that nice-boy smile, or even looking his age and not like he was still in his 20s or 30s. But he doesn't have Perez's record either.

Well, we'll find out what she considers important. Supposedly she gets along well with Tim Kaine, and I just found this Mother Jones article from yesterday.

He's No One's Idea of a Liberal Hero, But Tim Kaine Is a Natural Fit for Clinton; Behind the Virginia senator's moderate reputation is a history of quiet progressive activism.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton-virginia-senate


Btw, according to this, the AP reported a short list of Warren, Kaine, and Castro.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
80. We'll have to stay tuned. It will definitely be interesting!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

I'm LMAO about 3 wives Dim Don paired with 3 wives Newt! I think we're looking at an historic landslide!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
81. I laugh every time I think of it. Can only hope.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

I imagine them chatting about how they're making money out of the campaign while they travel around. Even just running for VP and losing should create demand for a new series of fake awards.

“She isn’t young enough or pretty enough to be the President’s wife.” Newt speaking of his ex-wife.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
89. Rump wants to start his own tabloid tv station. Newt is the perfect co-host for that clown!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jul 2016

It can be Plan B for those two losers!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. A very attractive one, I suspect, although I also
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

suspect that of the two Newt is by far the more ambitious and dangerous. Some type of analysis of personality types says he fits into "double high authoritarians," a collection of bad traits who who should never be trusted with power, even more than Trump. Bizarre to even be joking about him anywhere near the White House.

A failing TV station sounds perfect for both of them.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
123. Really? I think he's kinda sexy!
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

Now, that having been said, I think Telsi Gabbard is sexy too! And then there is Corey Booker...
I can't believe I am defending this kind of decision-making model. It's all sick! No wonder a TV Celebrate is leading the pac on the other side.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
56. Not only petty, but completely out of line
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jul 2016

There is an uproar any time anyone says anything similar about Hillary, as there should be.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
38. But they would quickly learn who he is. And I think they would like what they learn.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jul 2016

Compare that to Paul Ryan. He had higher name ID in 2012 than Becerra has today. But he was known as the author of the Ryan budget, which the American people despised. Had it not been for gerrymandering we would have taken back the House after the GOP embraced that radical platform.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
23. I don't think any of the 5 on that list are good picks.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

Hopefully it's an uninformed list.

Ideally, it should be someone with the experience necessary to take the helm, not sitting senator and should help secure at least one swing state. As I said, Becerra is my current preferred candidate.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
24. I agree that that group does not excite me
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

Brown and Warren are needed in the senate.
Don't know much about Becerra, but I have never thought taking a member of the House to be a good idea. They tend to be too parochial.

Unfortunately, if we eliminate the senate folks with name recognition dry up pretty fast. If Jerry Brown weren't nearing 80 he would be my first choice.

What ever happened to Deval Patrick? He was once quite the rising star, plus he's out of office right now.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
34. I was also thinking Becerra. I am surprised that he didn't make the final cut.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

Hopefully he will be Speaker of the House some day.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
92. I agree with you on Becerra. I heard him being interviewed recently
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jul 2016

and he was very, very sharp. He would make a great "attack dog" for Hillary. Also, he has a great record.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
93. Experienced, intelligent, wouldn't cause any seat losses and would
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jul 2016

help with Latinos. He'd be a great pick, in my opinion.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. I'm not sure that's true, really.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jul 2016

She's helping Hillary right now with her statements. Truly, I think the party will be united, regardless. There may be a few holdouts, but I'm not sure they were with the party in the first place, and probably wouldn't have been, whoever the nominees were.

But I think the holdouts are too few to matter, really.

I'd love to see Warren on the ticket, but I suspect Clinton will do a gender-balance thing with her choice. We have no idea what a two-woman ticket would do with voters, really. It shouldn't matter, but it might.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
146. I don't think that's true, but it should be Warren.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

I think the party will come together, however Warren would bring a lot more enthusiasm and outstanding oratorical skills. To me, that is the real reason Warren should be her VP.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
6. Vilsack would be terrible.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jul 2016

He's a big-Agra guy. Maybe he'll play well in the Midwest, but I think he's Obama's worst cabinet choice in 2008.

Kaine, Warren, and Brown all have the pluses. Don't know Perez

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. Vilsack would be a good choice.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

Not a good choice for me, because I'm a progressive, but a good choice for Clinton because she's running the usual Third Way campaign. Vilsack is from Ohio, the third most populous state. He's not liberal at all, so he provides some insulation from the accusation that the party has gone to extreme left. Tim Kaine would be a similar choice, but Vilsack seems better from a tactical standpoint.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
14. Oh, that's right. Blows my theory.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jul 2016

Kaine might be better, since he represents more votes, and VA is an important swing state. Vilsack is very smooth in public, though, one of the best.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
16. Kaine's pro-life...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jul 2016

could be a BIG problem. I'd like to see Sherrod Brown but, Kasich would appoint his replacement, jeopardizing a Dem Senate majority. I want Warren to stay in the Senate; she'll be worth a lot more in the Senate than she would be as Veep, imo.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. I think it's important to phrase this correctly
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jul 2016

He's pro-life but he's NOT anti-choice. That's a distinction that will resonate with many, many Americans.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
61. My heart wants Warren
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

but I'd be very okay with Kaine for that reason and that he represents an important swing state.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
96. In Tim Kaine's case, it's potentially too much of a distinction without merit.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jul 2016

He's not going to go along with incrementalism, but if there was ever a day when he had a say on the permanent and irreversable outlawing of abortion, I have no faith in him to not side against choice and call it a conscience decision. He's a guy that governs from his morality, not strategy or party unity or reason.

Beyond that, he's simply an anti-progressive Democrat on the wrong sides of too many issues working against the interests of the people and in opposition on issues where even Clinton and Sanders agree. His selection would be a bellwether for progressives that Hillary's moderation since the start of the primary is possibly insincere. His selection would be a promise to Wall St. that Hillary is going to do nothing to reign in questionable behavior by big banking or big business.

His is a name that needs to not be allowed any consideration. There is literally no grounds on which his consideration for the VP slot should be considered appropriate or legitimate.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
22. A problem that might not be a problem.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jul 2016

Clinton herself is a little bit vague on reproductive freedom. She doesn't like to mention it, but she has led some audiences to believe she might support a constitutional amendment to ban late-term abortions. Or maybe not. Hard to tell. Kaine could help her out in a couple directions.

First and most obviously, he could tour the south and hint that President Hillary might let the states regulate abortion and birth control at their own discretion.

Second, his opposition to reproductive freedom could be carefully adjusted to be compatible with Clinton's position, while providing enough of a contrast to Clinton's that both liberals and conservatives would see it favorably. Liberals would credit Clinton with making a convert of Kaine, while conservatives would think Kaine converted Clinton.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
26. You're posting unsubstantiated nonsense
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016

"She doesn't like to mention it, but she has led some audiences to believe she might support a constitutional amendment to ban late-term abortions. Or maybe not."

That's what called BS

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
28. OK. Substantiate Clinton's position.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jul 2016

"I am opposed to any restriction on a woman's reproductive decisions." If someone can find that statement from Clinton, I will reevaluate.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
57. Article undercuts every specious claim you've made. End of Hyde Amendment is a great thing.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jul 2016

Calling for the end of the Hyde Amendment and successfully getting rid of it helps women who can't afford abortions to get help from the federal government to pay for an abortion.

It is a much needed expansion of reproductive freedom.

Most DU'ers aren't as gullible and stupid as you think you are. So repeating an untruth over and over won't work here.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
65. We see what we want to see
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

And disregard little problems with the candidates we support. We feel we have to accept them as they are because they're better than the other guys. That's fine, but it doesn't have to extend to yelling "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" when somebody questions inconsistencies.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
67. Sorry, I'll continue to call false smears when I see them. Willful misinterpretation
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie primary supporter here. Both Bernie and HRC have a long history of fighting for reproductive rights.

So I have zero respect those who willfully misinterpret the positions of Democrats.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
105. HRC wants exceptions for late-term
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jul 2016

abortions except when they endanger the life or health of the mother.

I do not have a problem with that. To the contrary, at some point we are clearly dealing with the lives of two human beings, and I would draw that line as early as scientifically, not philosophically or religiously, doubt enters mainstream factions. This marker would change with advances in knowledge and technology--and economic issues of how much it would cost to keep babies alive would not be weighed. Quality of life would be a consideration.

I do have a problem with her position, and that of many millions, that abortion is justified in the cases of rape and incest. If the fetus is a person, this is murder plain and simple. If it is not, no justification is needed.

During a Fox News town hall on Monday night, Clinton and Sanders were asked about their position on late-term abortions. Sanders' stance was easy to discern: He opposes abortion restrictions, full stop. Clinton's answer was murkier. She began her response to moderator Bret Baier with a broad defense of a woman's right to an abortion, mentioning the current Supreme Court case involving Texas' anti-abortion regulations and the continued Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood. But Baier persisted on the matter of late-term abortions, asking, "Just to be clear, there's no—without any exceptions?"

Clinton replied, "No—I have been on record in favor of a late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."

In the exchange, Clinton seems to support limited bans on late-term abortions after a fetus is viable (about 24 weeks into a pregnancy). Her campaign has said nothing to contradict this. Asked to clarify Clinton's position, a campaign spokesperson responded in an email: Politicians should not interfere with a woman's personal medical decisions, which should be left to a woman in consultation with her doctor. She also recognizes that Roe v. Wade provides that restrictions are constitutional later in pregnancy so long as there are clear exceptions for the life and health of the woman.

Clinton has consistently made clear her support for exceptions to any late-term abortion regulations, such as when the life or mental or physical health of the mother is at risk. She would also consider restrictions only after about the 24-week mark, when a fetus is considered viable, in keeping with the Supreme Court's ruling in Roe v. Wade.

But her stance leaves open the question of whether a woman's right to an abortion would be protected if a fetal abnormality is detected late in her pregnancy that does not threaten her life or health. This issue may not be the highest priority for abortion rights advocates who have battled more fundamental threats to abortion access in recent years. Only a small fraction of abortions take place after 20 weeks. But in a primary campaign that has seen the candidates and their backers parse the slightest differences in their platforms, the late-term abortion debate represents a meaningful divide between Clinton and Sanders on a high-profile issue.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
50. Unmitigated bullshit as to HRC's position on Reproductive Freedom
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

So you've got zero credibility.

Don't bother bombarding us with willfully misinterpreted quotes.

Additionally you act as if a majority of voters are anti-choice, and that is absolute bullshit.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
58. I would be more credible?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jul 2016

If I disregarded Clinton's evolution on reproductive freedom? She appears to be moving from somewhere to somewhere else. Where are those two places?

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
62. You just posted an article 'supporting' your specious claims that totally undercut your claims
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

You have zero credibility. Primary's over, no more lying about Democrats.

No more smearing a politician with a long history of fighting for reproductive freedom and who is highly rated by planned parenthood as 'anti-choice.'

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
84. He is similar to a lot of catholic Dems.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jul 2016

I am pretty sure he said he personally believes that life begins at conception. But he votes pro-choice because he doesn't believe in imposing his religion on others.


 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
98. Unfortunately, words have meanings.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

Tom Vilsack isn't a liberal or a progressive, he's a moderate. I'd be surprised if his picture wasn't in the encyclopedia as the example of "Moderate Democrat."

Cirque du So-What

(25,942 posts)
9. I woulf sure hate to lose Sherrod Brown, my Senator
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

in light of the fact that his replacement would be named by Kasich. That aside, I believe Sherrod Brown would be an outstanding VP candidate.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
10. I hope this isn't her final short-list. None of the names will do her much good.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

I hope this is just Conservative News Network trying to give the GOP a heads-up for Roadkill-head to choose his Republican running mate.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
32. Tradition? But I believe we'd bucked "tradition" when we elected the first African-American
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jul 2016

president, and I like this trend - being a person of color (Asian) myself (I don't like the word "minority&quot .

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
17. "None of the names will do her much good." Oh, really?...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jul 2016

Elizabeth Warren and Sherrod Brown won't do us any good? Okay so, who do you suggest?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. EW is in the Senate, is Senator of MA, and MA has a Repub Gov. Same things for Sherrod Brown.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jul 2016

Sherrod Brown is in the Senate, is Senator of Ohio, and Kasich is Governor of Ohio. You really want those Repubs to choose EW's and Sherrod's replacements?

A Democratic President is not enough to get anything done. Without a Democratic Congress, Hillary's hands would be tied to get anything she's campaigning for, done. We've seen that with President Obama. We also need a Democratic Senate, and ideally, a Democratic House.

So no. Those two won't do us any good.

I would suggest Julian Castro. He's charismatic, young, Mexican-American, the "Latino version of Barack Obama" in education, temperament, and speech, and he doesn't take anything away from the Senate. As nationalistic as Texans are - where he hails from - they'll be even more so when they see a chance for one of their own this close to the presidency, proving to the nation that the Democratic Party is as diverse as we truly are.

First African-American president.
First Woman president.
First Latino as president.

Julian Castro giving the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2012.

Julian Castro's accomplishments as Mayor of San Antonio - a city with 1.5 million residents (more constituents than some U.S. Senators can boast).

For the longest time, Julian's been denying that he's being considered to be Hillary Clinton's running mate. Now, since 7/5/2016 and with Jorge Ramos, he no longer denies he's being vetted but is being as just evasive on answering the question as all the others.

That's why I don't trust CNN's short list.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
40. I'm very aware of what state Warren represents,....
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jul 2016

she's my U.S. Senator. Our GOP Governor will not be appointing Warren's successor if she's elected Veep; State law, passed by the Legislature at the request of Senator Kennedy before his death, requires an election. I don't want her to leave the Senate.

Perhaps I misunderstood/misread your comment as being, effectively, "none of the final five are quality candidates." We agree on the reasons Brown should not be the candidate.

I'm not convinced about Castro but, if he's the choice, I'll be supporting it.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
47. I will support whomever Hillary Clinton chooses. I can't afford not to. But my hope and dream is
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jul 2016

that we get a diverse ticket, and I believe Julian Castro fits the bill perfectly.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-julian-castro-iowa-clinton-20160125-story.html
Holly Moore, a Clinton volunteer in Fairfield, came away impressed. She said she liked Castro’s politics, especially his work to expand education opportunities for young children.

His ethnicity, she said, is a nice bonus. “I don’t think anybody can be president anymore without a diverse ticket,” she said.

I agree with her.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
147. her replacement is a bit more complicated than that.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jul 2016

A special election has to be held within 60 days, but the Governor can appoint an interim until the vote is certified and the new senator is sworn in.

The Governor could drag his feet and wait the whole sixty days this derailing the 100 day agenda.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
130. If Warren is Clinton's VP, Harry Reid has a plan to replace her (but not the other Senators)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

However, Reid and his advisors have found an awkward work around: Warren can file an intent-to-resign letter 145 days prior to a January 20th inauguration date, which would block Baker from making an appointment as Warren would still be in office. However, in this scenario, if a Clinton-Warren ticket were to lose in November, Warren would have to rescind her resignation and run for what would then be an open seat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/if-warren-is-clintons-vp-harry-reid-has-a-plan-to-replace-her/

mblock

(22 posts)
31. I would love Warren!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jul 2016

But I'm not sure she would take that chance unfortunately. Sherrod is my Senator as well and I don't see her taking him away from the Senate because of Kasich. Deval Patrick works with Mitt Romneys company Bane Capital so I think he is out as well. I also agree and like Becerra. The person has to be a pretty good debater to be able to debate any of the issues with whom Trump picks. So will Perez or Castro have the experience? Kaine is actually my least favorite. Experienced but😑💤💤💤

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
41. I am surprised that Becerra didn't make the final cut. I really thought that she might pick him.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

He would have made a great vice-president. He may still make a great Speaker of the House some day.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
42. Two reasons. First, he is from Iowa, which is a swing state.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

Second, Hillary has an outstanding relationship with him and would probably enjoy working with him.

Rhiannon12866

(205,507 posts)
114. He may just seem like a really nice guy, but he's also very intelligent
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:39 AM
Jul 2016

I went to school with him, not that we had a personal relationship, LOL, he was a few years ahead of me. But that's how I remember him, so I've always rooted for him. Same for his wife, she's just as smart and she ran for Congress back in 2011, but unfortunately lost to incumbent Steve King. And besides, Tom was a member of DU! (Delta Upsilon)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
143. Maybe some people just enjoy saying "Vilsack"
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

I mean, every four years, it's "Vilsack speculation this, and Potential Vilsack ticket that. Vilsack. Vilsack! VILSAAAAACK!"


I don't get it, but there you go.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
43. Tim Kaine seems like the best choice
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

he is a bright guy, from my state of Virginia. lots of experience having been governor and senator, well liked in Virginia. he would deliver va for her. since the governor is a democrat, we would not have to worry about the replacement for the senate. Mc Auliffe would name another dem.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
48. The Wow Factor Dictates
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jul 2016

that anyone whose name is floated never wins the slot

Count me for a sleeper candidate, one who doesn't flip a Senate
seat, is midwest where we need some shoring up

Senator Al Franken

Of course, the safe bet is Tim Kaine

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
63. I think you have something there
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

Because the press says this is the "short list" doesn't mean we know everything about her actual short list.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
94. Both parties do this dance
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jul 2016

It stimulates supporters of those mentioned in key districts, states, constituencies

Then the candidate is **** BRILLIANT **** for coming up with the greatest
pick in 200 years and the pick is new and exciting

Maybe this system went into mothballs about 2010 with so much thinking and focus
on elections, everyone is considered now

gademocrat7

(10,659 posts)
49. Becerra would be a good choice.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

He is a representative from California. His congressional seat would stay in the blue column.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
53. I hope it's Elizabeth Warren or Tom Perez.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

I've known Warren as a progressive from when she was a law professor.

Tom Perez is also a progressive.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
132. It won't be.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jul 2016

Warren is only on "the list" for public consumption. Whoever is picked, one thing I am sure of is that it will ONLY be another fiscal conservative.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
133. Maybe HRC will choose a centrist VP, but
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jul 2016

...it would a be a strange strategy to vet Elizabeth Warren just for the public.

When HRC announces a centrist, it would make progressives more disappointed than if she hadn't vetted Warren.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
74. We can't break with historic precedent!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016

Only same-sex tickets have EVER won the White House!

The only historic change we are looking for is which sex!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
100. Right where he belongs.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

Not on it.

The only person on that list I'd prefer Castro over is Tim Kaine...and that's because Kaine is literally the worst Democrat to be mentioned or considered for a VP slot since Joe Lieberman.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
83. If so, hoping for a Tom or a Tim.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

Warren or Brown might be the best VP, but I doubt they'd be the best choice of VP.

andym

(5,444 posts)
85. can the VP hold more than one executive position?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jul 2016

If so, then Warren might make a good Secretary of the treasury or labor at the same time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. Yesterday's Mother Jones article says Castro
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jul 2016

is one of three, plus Warren and Kaine. Per AP according to Mother Jones. Obviously too early to get excited one way or the other.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
135. me, too. Brown is a cool guy and I think a good guy. He seems pretty progressive, IIRC...
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

He's super attractive (sorry, but it's true) and just seems nice. He and Hillary would make a good campaign team, IMO...

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
95. Dammit, the one name I wanted to see dropped from the longer list to this short list is there still.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

Worse, I think he's the preferred candidate.

Please let Hillary have more sense than to choose Tim Kaine for a ruinning mate.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
122. Corey Booker?
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

Guess they want him to keep his seat - but if that's who you're thinking, I'm sad to not see his name on the list.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
128. No, I wanted to see Kaine removed from consideration.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

I'm unhappy he's still being considered. I really don't like Booker either but I'd rather have Corey Booker on the ticket than Tim Kaine.

Tim Kaine is the worst Democrat to be mentioned as a potential Democratic VP nominee since Joseph I. Lieberman.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
136. I'm sure the Reps would run an ad with old footage of Stuart Smalley
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

"I'm good enough to be VP

I'm smart enough to be VP

And dog-gone it, people like me!"

gogo_du

(29 posts)
111. I don't remember
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

ever being this excited about a VP pick. This has been a great political season so far.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
116. In 2004, I was interested in who John Kerry's VP choice would be
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

...and I felt John Edwards was a good choice.

jg10003

(976 posts)
112. It definitely will not be Brown because John Kasich....
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

would appoint a replacement who would serve until the 2018 election. Warren is possible since the Massachusetts republican governor would appoint a temporary replacement until a special election is held in about 5 months.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
117. Neither Kaine nor Vilsack bring anythink exciting to the table except that they widen the divide
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jul 2016

within the party

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
119. Three who should also be on the list:
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

Xavier Becerra, CA Rep
Anthony Foxx, Secretary of Transportation
Deval Patrick, former Massachusetts governor

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
121. I remember what Vilsack did to Shirley Sherrod...not sure I like the idea of him as VP.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

However if that's the choice I guess it will be fine, but it seems like an awfully boring pick.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
127. Yes, the only thing Tom Vilsack did as Ag Secretary
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jul 2016

...which made big news was a bad decision to fire Shirley Sherrod.

mentalsolstice

(4,461 posts)
126. Still wish Al Franken was on her list.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jul 2016

1. He could have been her "Joe Biden," but maybe with a little more finesse.
2. I think he would have energized younger voters.

It was mentioned upthread that maybe there was stuff from his younger years. However, unless it was seriously criminal, I think we're over that as a society. Seriously, look at what the other side is offering up, and that's just the top of their ticket, who knows what they'll offer as the "heartbeat away" candidate.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
129. Though Brown could help deliver OH,
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jul 2016

he like Warren is most effective serving in the Senate. Brown also has some baggage and whether real or not, it will be a detriment. The right will exploit for all its worth.

 

sangfroid

(212 posts)
131. Just saw Jonathon Capehart (Clinton Surrogate) on AM Joy on MSNBC
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jul 2016

Who was going on at great lengths about how Clinton would never select Warren for VP. His logic? Progressives will vote for Hillery because who else are they going to vote for? And besides, Warren is poison to the Wall St. Crowd. So, continuing this logic, Hillery will pull in a conservative Democrat to eat away at Dipshit Donald's support and pull in the big money.

(Note to the Ministry of Truth: this is a paraphrase of comments made by a surrogate)

So, once again, the progressive wing is screwed

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
134. I simply don't believe CNN
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jul 2016

in this or anything else. When Hillary herself announces her choice, THEN I will believe it.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #139)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
141. My strong preference is Senator Warren.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jul 2016

Yes we drop the Senate seat, but it would make for a very strong and unifying ticket. Plus I'd love to see her debate Gingrich or Augustus Gloop or whoever Trump puts on the GOP ticket.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
142. Interesting choices.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

Kaine and Vilsack are a little bit too centrist for me.

I'd be fine with Brown, Perez or Warren, though I feel like Warren could do more good in the Senate than as VP.

My preferences, for that reason, are Brown and Perez.

I'm still waiting for Clinton's call to get my advice. I know she's planning to call me within the week...

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
145. I sinerely hope Elizebeth Warren stays in the Senate and President Clinton hands her the baton ...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jul 2016

2024.

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