Apparently, Hillary Needs To Totally Reinvent Herself To Beat Trump

[stopbush]

Oh, the handwringing from the concern trolls has reached fever pitch on DU. It seems like every other post offers advice to Hillary that she needs to change this, that or the other thing...who are we kidding? Make that change EVERYTHING or risk losing it all to Trump.

Never mind that she is kicking Trump's ass in every poll that isn't a right-leaning poll, that she has Rs organizing to vote FOR her, that she has insurmountable leads among minorities and in the EC, and has a party that is totally united behind her at a point in history when Ds outnumber both Rs and Indies among voters. Never mind that she is leading Trump at historic levels at this point in the presidential campaign. Never mind that her favorables are rising, have reached 50% and will continue to rise as we near the election (hell, the MSM may have to give up their "people don't like her" BS).

Yet we're to be very, very concerned that Hillary is going to lose to Trump because? Because Trump can't pull above 40%? Because he picks a bigger bigot than himself as his running mate? Because every single day brings a new ineptness from Trump and his team of losers? Why?

"Hillary needs to move to the center on Syria to beat Trump"

"How a conservative wins in a liberal decade"

"Clinton v Trump leaves 6 in 10 unhappy: Contest tightens"

And - of course - she needs to move to the left while she's at it, lest people like Cornel West endorse someone else.

Etc.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the bullshit. Hillary is doing just fine being herself, doing what she has always done, the way Ds have always done what they do.

[fun n serious]

1. Hillary is awesome as is..

[ehrnst]

2. I voted for her because of her judgment on the issues that confront this country.

I'm going to trust that judgement.

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Folks, who do YOU trust to take that proverbial 3 am call?

No contest there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. The test...

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

-F. Scott Fitzgerald

It is good to be vigilant. The concern trolls aren't fooling anybody!

[vi5]

5. Is Trump winning any demographic other than white males?

How is it even feasible that he could lose every demographic including white women and still win the election? Either nationally or electorally?

I worry as much as the next guy but jeez some of the breakdown in polls (women, African Americans, Latinos, Muslims, etc.) are just brutal.

[Crash2Parties]

40. Ever wonder where the loud, obnoxious, racist, elitist Libertarians and MRA's disappeared to?

Along with the twin-confederate-flag pickup truck drivers, they ARE the Trump constituency.

If I hear from them one more time, "I'm voting for him because I think he's funny"...

[Hortensis]

48. Yes, white social conservative women, the kind

who are "concerned" about all the diseases those children fleeing untenable conditions supposedly bring to the U.S. The kind who always should fail to get what they want.

[vi5]

88. But that's still a minority of all women....

If he's counting on sub-sub demographics to win then it would be safe to say he's in trouble.

[Hortensis]

90. Yes well, the strength of social conservatism arises,

of course, from their anxiety over all the things they fear and dislike about "out there," and their restyling of reality to justify themselves makes them extremely easy to manipulate.

And where those conservatives go, the rest have been following, which makes them extremely easy to manipuate. The good people gotta hang together against immorality and regulation, after all.

[DemonGoddess]

6. K&R!

Same. Not buying it either

[Android3.14]

7. Keep telling yourself that, and we lose

Check out 538's analysis of an uncertain 65% chance for Clinton.

During the primary, Hillary supporters were essentially blind to the lukewarm support she actually commands, and can only mutter querulous outrage at the reality-based community for not putting on its own blinders.

With every domestic shooting and every terrorist attack, this is going to be a rougher election for Clinton.

[SCantiGOP]

11. You are a minority iof one in this thread

[Android3.14]

15. That's a sign many here are living in a bubble

It is unfortunate that many DU-ers have such weak arguments that they must descend to high school tactics of peer pressure to suppress free expression and enforce lockstep thinking. Can we avoid making DU a sequel to The Wave?

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. Have you ever noticed how often people that think differently ...

from ourselves are the ones living in a bubble?

Is it possible that it is YOU in the bubble?

[AgingAmerican]

64. We cannot risk devolving into an echo chamber

Echo chambers lose touch with reality over time as any opposing viewpoints are stifled and only 'good news' is discussed. That is exactly what has happened within the GOP over the last 30 years and they have devolved into a loonie bin.

[Demsrule86]

77. Yes we can.

It is an election year. We support Democrats here. There is nothing to be gained by running down the Democratic nominee...we are in GE mode now...the primary is over.

[SheilaT]

18. No. There are others of us who

are very, very aware of exactly what polling showed during the primaries.

Unfortunately, even mentioning such things here is taken as hateful criticism of Hillary. The reality is that her support is still not very enthusiastic. Some very large percentage of those who will vote for her in November will do that only because the thought of a Trump Presidency is, well unthinkable.

I still almost never see a bumper sticker for her. And yes, I know that bumper stickers don't vote, but it's odd. You'd think they'd be everywhere by now, but they're not.

[pnwmom]

21. You should know based on the primaries that bumper stickers aren't reflective of anything

unless they use reflective paint, of course.

[Gman]

32. FYI You don't see hardly any bumper stickers these days

Because nowadays the campaigns don't give them out free to anyone with a vehicle of some kind. That's an outdated 30+ year old way of judging support. I very rarely see Trump stickers. It means nothing.

[AgingAmerican]

65. I still see lots of Obama Biden ones

I have not seen a single Hillary one, but I see lots of Sanders ones. I have seen one Trump bumper sticker.

[Gman]

96. And a whole lot of people won't put a sticker on their car

For fear it will get vandalized. For the GE, it's just not the indicator it used to be. Back 30-40 years ago we passed them out like bottles of water. Put them under wind shield wipers in parking lots. Anything to get them out. It's probably the most effective "sign" you can have. Hundreds and more of people would see it each day. Now they're not cheap to buy. I think plus we don't have the old chrome bumpers anymore. You have to put it right on the paint which people don't like yo do.

[Demsrule86]

78. She won the primary

thus her supporters were more enthusiastic by definition. And neither hubs nor I have a bumper sticker...we could literally lose our jobs. However, we would crawl across broken glass (naked) to vote for Hillary. Now that is enthusiasm. We saw during the primary that large rallies and bumper stickers were not evidence of a potential win or of a loss.

[stopbush]

13. If 15-million votes constitutes lukewarm,

I'll take lukewarm every day of the week.

BTW - no one who voted for Hillary in the primaries was lukewarm about their support. If they were lukewarm towards her, they had the option to vote for Sanders or somebody else who they felt more passionate about. To suggest that those 15-million who voted for her were blind to how others feel toward her is ridiculous. We just believe that the job before us is to show those doubters the Hillary we all know and trust, and to defeat the 30-year assault on her character.

I voted for Hillary in full confidence that she was a far, far superior candidate for the job of president than was Bernie Sanders. We're talking multiples of ten here when it comes to experience, judgement, competency and knowledge. Trump is a joke as are the Rs, and while the American people are slow on the uptake, they do at a very basic level get that Trump is totally unsuited for the job.

We only lose when good Ds believe the RW lies, throw up their hands and end up playing right into the RW playbook on how to defeat Hillary. Fuck them and their playbook, and fuck those who have the audacity to believe they are part of the "reality based community" when their own assessment of Hillary Clinton is based entirely on a view that they have seen courtesy of the hateful RW blinders that have existed for decades, a view that has nothing to do with reality.

[Android3.14]

20. Time to open your eyes

Nobody cares how you voted in the primary.

What is obvious is this is a populist election cycle, and Hillary must strengthen her populist mojo. There are huge numbers of independents who will stay home or vote for Trump because of the public image of HRC. You can blame whatever entity you like - the GOP, the media, our own lying eyes, or whatever - but the pragmatic progressive knows this is going to be as rough as it can be, and Hillary needs to show the country she can create, and lead by, a popular mandate.

[pnwmom]

23. Time to open your eyes. Hillary has huge numbers of supporters who have

been enthusiastic about her all along, even though they didn't sport bumper stickers on their cars or attend noisy, crowded rallies.

They voted, and they encouraged their friends and families to vote. And that's what counts in the end.

You have nothing to teach Hillary supporters about being pragmatic. They've been going about their business, being pragmatic, all along -- and they're prepared for a rough campaign. Hillary has had a rough three decades and she's well-armed for a fight.

[stopbush]

28. If you want to believe the media spin that this is a populist election,

have at it.

The rest of us know that every election is about getting out your base, that Indies never have and never will decide elections, and that no candidate for president has ever had as steep a hill to climb as does Trump. That he is making no progress attracting voters outside of white males proves that this isn't in any sense a populist election. Otherwise, Ds would be moving toward him, as would minority constituencies, the way Ds moved toward Reagan and 40% of blacks supported W.

You're buying the RW meme that the electorate is "angry," a meme that is code for "we're pissed a black guy is president." It's disappointing that so many Ds got suckered into accepting that RW framing, in spite of all the positive things that have happened under Obama. But the solution to that lie being accepted by people is not to embrace the lie as truth, but to expose the lie for what it is, a lie.

As President Obama rightly said, we are a lot more united than some people would have us believe. THAT is a positive thought on which to win an election, not the idea that we're all pissed off.

[stonecutter357]

53. how do you get away with bashing du members?

[betsuni]

55. That's what I want to know.

[Lord Magus]

56. Sure, it's a populist election cycle, or at least that's the media's chosen narrative.

After all, they desperately what some explanation for Trump's primary success that doesn't involve admitting that the Republican Party is fundamentally racist.

[Her Sister]

51. HRC: 16,838,264 Voters! :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2016USDem

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Lack of hand-wringing does not equate to complacency. Hand-wringing is useless; latter is deadly. nt

[Laser102]

17. Um, I don't agree. The only ones voting for trump are white men with a high school or less,

education. She sweeps the rest of the field. With every terrorist attack and domestic shooting, only the truly disturbed would think trump has the solution. I'm counting on that being a minority she will easily overcome.

[SunSeeker]

19. Keep bashing Hillary and we lose.

During the primary, Hillary supporters were essentially blind to the lukewarm support she actually commands, and can only mutter querulous outrage at the reality-based community for not putting on its own blinders.

You not only bash Hillary as a weak candidate, but bash her supporters as "blind" mutterers of "querulous outrage" detached from reality. The primary is over. Hillary won commandingly even with "the lukewarm support" as you call it. We on DU are all Hillary supporters now. That you continue to look at Hillary supporters as them instead of we shows you are still battling the primary. We now need to be battling Trump, not Hillary.

I agree with you that with every domestic shooting and every terrorist attack, as hate and fear take over reason, this is going to be a rougher election for Clinton. What constructive suggestions do you have for her campaign in that regard?

[Android3.14]

27. Hey, I support her. It says so right in my sig line

As I told another, blinder-wearing cemetery whistler, the primary is over, and nobody cares how you voted.

What we have now is Mercutio's curse of a plague on both houses, and Hillary is the only one who can help us through these times. We chose her, and I am waiting to see her lead.

I think everyone in this thread agrees that you are, hands down, the biggest supporter of Hillary Clinton. You win. I support her as well, but it is bland support at best, and I'm also watching how her campaign is shaping up and who she picks for VP.

It is the refuge of a weak position to point to the support of others within their clique as proof of correct reasoning, as if claiming blind allegiance demonstrates effective rhetoric.

[SunSeeker]

29. Again with the they instead of the we.

We are not a "clique." Enough with the insults.

You are offering no constructive suggestions, just bashing Hillary and her supporters.

[Android3.14]

31. Language is language

A clique is a small group of people who spend time together and who are not friendly to other people - Merriam Webster. The hostility people direct towards those who are alarmed at this election cycle, mainly because some folks are not falling all over thmselves to gush about how awesome is the Clinton campaign despite the close polls, analysis of 538, and the unquestioned record of the Cheeto Jesus in the GOP primary, is a pretty strong indication that what we have here are cliques.

When the first word that coes to mind when asked about Clinton is "dishonest", then yes, that's a strong indicator she needs to work on her image.

[StoneCarver]

35. I hesitate to post anything...

Since any rational discussion on the presumed candidate will get your post killed. I'm really surprised yours have survived. I miss
DU where people could have spirited discussions and learn. Now its all or nothing. I doubt Jon Stewart could post on DU now. I probably knew it was time to leave when Guiderglider, Dementer, etc. left. I really miss Guidergliders mind and insights. He's a genius! Watch yourself Android, you're right to point things out but -it's a trap. They want to live in a bubble.
Stonecarver

[Android3.14]

45. The rules are clear

As long as I am posting to DU, I advocate voting for Clinton. I avoid personal attacks on other posters, and strive to redirect personal slights others direct towards me back to the topic at hand.

While there are some that make a regular practice of alerting posts that are less than sycophantic cheerleading, I have found that the moderators mostly stick with the guidelines the admins established last month.

Debate is still possible, it's just unfortunate that some attack critical thinking and effective rhetoric.

[StoneCarver]

49. Good luck

I fear the DU I've known since before 2009 is dying. NO it is dying. It has been discovered and overrun with trolls. If you post anything "less than flattering" about the presumed candidate, you're called a troll and other names -and your posts are hidden. I have supported Hillary in ALL of my posts. But if you point out any of the data, concerns or facts (as you have), they don't want to hear it. It's like the reverse of the Tea Party -only backwards.

I'm a Union steward, E-board member, and chief negotiator for my AFSCME Union, and a 30+ year public servant. But how I've been treated by Hillary supporters here -for the first time Ever in my life- I thought this morning in the shower, what if I don't vote? The Hillary supporters on DU are demotivating me.
Stonecarver

[Demsrule86]

80. I have not seen any rational posts hidden

[SCantiGOP]

37. Wasn't the subject of this thread

'Concern trolls?'

Just asking.

[SunSeeker]

39. You are the one displaying hostility.

You are displaying hostility to our candidate and us, her supporters. You just keep repeating the Trump/GOP talking points about Hillary ("dishonest," weak candidate) instead of offering constructive suggestions without the insults.

[BainsBane]

97. Perhaps you can tell me when general election polls weren't close?

Not since Reagan was president.

Honesty is something that can be verified by checking facts, and fact checkers have determined Clinton has in fact been the most honest candidate in either party during this election season. Meanwhile, Trump's supporters think he's honest because, they claim, "he tells it like it is," when he's a pathological liar. The sad fact is evidence is irrelevant to far too many, as your comment on "image" reveals. We are in an age where too many define truth entirely in relationship to their egos and not actual evidence. If people want a showman and a braggart, then Trump will win. If they care about policy and the well being of the country, Clinton will.

Clinton's "image" was good enough to win the Democratic primary by a wide margin. It's good enough to have been voted multiple years running as most admired woman in the world. But by all means, you keep citing the corporate media polls that matter more than the votes of mere citizens. Ignore all the social science research that shows that people view women as inherently less honest than men, something that--like in Clinton's case--has zero relation to do with actual propensity to tell the truth and everything to do with socialization. What does policy, competence, or knowledge matter when there is an image to worry about. You may be right that Americans have sunk to the level where they seek the same pablum from a president that they get from cable news entertainment. If that is indeed the case, we have fare more serious problems than who will be our next president.

[stopbush]

43. You're watching how her campaign is shaping up and who she picks for VP

because???

Because you're still open to voting for Trump, or staying home, or voting for a third-party candidate or writing in a name as a protest vote?

[Android3.14]

44. More impotent "blame the voters" rhetoric

She needs to excite a broader segment of the nation while unifying the party.

Only a fool argues against that truth.

[stopbush]

47. She needs to this, she needs to that.

Thanks for proving the premise of my OP.

I've been voting D since 1972, and I can't recall an election where the party was more unified behind our candidate than it is now. There was less support for Obama from Hillary's PUMA voters in 2008 than there is this year with Sanders voters supporting Hillary.

[AgingAmerican]

66. "She needs to excite a broader segment of the nation while unifying the party"

You disagree? She doesn't need to excite a broader segment of the nation and unify the party?

It's pretty obvious, basic stuff there. I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could be upset by that.

[MyNameGoesHere]

73. Still feeling left out?

Yeah that populist movement sure made a fizzle. I can see why you are concerned.

[Demsrule86]

79. Great post. I completely agree

Bashing Hillary or having the deep discussions of Hillary's shortcomings that some want would lead to a loss. Democrats must fight back against a media that wants a horse race and fear...in order to win...let's not give the other side ammunition. There was enough of that during the primary...it is over. Seriously, we need to support the Democratic nominee with determination and enthusiasm.

[Maven]

33. Honestly, you sound like someone who's waiting for her to lose so you can say 'I told you so'

That isn't support.

[Lil Missy]

71. She got more than "lukewarm" support. She had the overwhelming support from Democrats in general.

In other words, she got A LOT MORE support than Bernie did.

[auntpurl]

83. An "uncertain 65%"?

When was the last time a president won with 65% of the vote? That would be an overwhelming landslide.

I am so sick of this narrative the media has invented that Hillary's campaign is "struggling" is "barely ahead" or "virtually tied" with Trump's. She is beating his ass, which is why the Republicans are freaking out. Good to see this nonsense myth being promulgated here on DU, a website that is supposed to support Democrats.

[grossproffit]

86. This is why I'm so glad that Hillary is our nominee. She's strong on both domestic & foreign policy.

[DLCWIdem]

98. you mean the lukewarm support she gets from Sanders supporters and

Repugs. She does just fine with most Democrats, as we have seen in the primary as she has gotten the most votes.

[Surya Gayatri]

8. Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. So spot on.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the bullshit.

[Coolest Ranger]

9. I don't even wath the news

that much anymore. It's doom and gloom, fear and scare crap. I want news

[mcar]

10. Agree 100%

[ananda]

12. It's always good for anyone to move to the left.

However, Clinton is doing just fine as is. I hope
Sanders and his movement will keep the process
of moving left alive.

Ermm... but of course no one thinks Trump needs to change.

This is so laughable and obviously sexist and sinister as well
to target Clinton.

[StevieM]

16. Some of us worriers are die-hard Clinton supporters and have been for many years.

I supported her in the 2008 primaries. I supported her again in the 2016 primaries.

My concern is based on a lifetime of watching the Republicans successfully lie their way to victory. And seeing how good they are at contriving fake scandals.

I still haven't forgotten how George W. Bush deceived the American people in 2000. And I can't help but be terrified that the GOP will do it again.

[pnwmom]

24. The difference is that your response isn't that Hillary must reinvent herself

in order to win.

[AgingAmerican]

67. No need to reinvent herself

She just needs to avoid being drawn into reacting to every stupid thing he does or says. She has surrogates to do that for her. If she sticks to policy she will win, IMHO.

[auntpurl]

85. The thing to remember is that between then and now, we had two presidential elections

both of which were won by someone who, if he didn't have the long history of bashing by the Republicans that Hillary has had, made up for it with the intensity of bashing. They said he wasn't an American citizen, that he was a secret Muslim, they made up the most outrageous shit, some of which is still firmly believed by the wingnuts in the Republican base, and he won. Twice.

Demographics does not favour the Republicans anymore. What happened in 2000 cannot happen again. That's not to say we should be complacent, or that we shouldn't fight for every vote, but the situations are not analogous.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

89. Also

Hopefully, most everybody, at least on the left is beyond believing that there is "no difference" between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Believing that there was no difference between George W Bush and Al Gore and voting for Nader because of that misguided belief made the election close enough for Republicans to steal.

[Cryptoad]

25. Can u say "Cog Lock"????

[zappaman]

26. She needs to make Bernie VP

Or she will lose the election!
It's true!
I read it on DU!

[Android3.14]

46. Not in the cards, but Warren would be a good choice

Of all the joint appearances, the possibility of a Clinton/Warren ticket caught the most attention and had the most positive response.

[wiggs]

30. Media and pundits will always find a meme and ride it whether true or not. I was

listening this morning to a Sirius / POTUS show where right-leaning host and guests have somehow come to the conclusion that in this election likability and charisma and strong campaigning is more important than competence and knowledge and perspective. Of course in 2018 and 2012, Obama's obvious likability, charisma, and strong campaigning WEREN'T the most important thing, it was his relative inexperience. (...second in importance to the small size of his flag lapel pin of course).... They will find the meme they can sell.

Then...you have to be impressed that Hillary has even a small lead given the media-driven memes and the public demand for entertainment over substance.

[LenaBaby61]

34. "Media and pundits will always find a meme and ride it whether true or not...."

+1,000

Your post is right on the money

It is surprising that Hillary even has some kind of lead at all (Even though we know better that she sure should have a lead over the devil). I'm also tired of this increasing meme with some journalists (And I use that term very loosely) who are trying to glamorize tRump's daughter Ivanka, saying that she's beautiful, gorgeous etc. and will be a BIG help to tRump. What is this, a beauty contest? And NO she won't be able to help her lying, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, woman-hating father one iota with thinking voters. Ivanka ought to stick to 'allegedly' stealing fashion and shoe designs, and having her clothing line made off-shore in some other country instead

I can imagine the negative meme's that the so-called "Liberal Media" (non-existent) will be pushing coming out of tRumps convention, especially if it's as much of a disaster as it probably will be

[left-of-center2012]

36. Issues aside ...

The question is:
Clinton or Trump?

It's not difficult.
It's Hillary !

[bucolic_frolic]

38. I'm one to think

the Democratic mainstream will be fine when it reasserts itself

Common sense must prevail at some point in time, and we've been on a
roller coaster for 35 years

Look at how well Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have done by occupying
the middle where they could, when the ReThugs weren't obstructing them

[CanonRay]

41. Thank you.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Most of the country isn't paying any attention....

When it's time to vote half will stay home and act like it doesn't matter who wins. That means the election will be decided by the half that does vote. Another way of looking at it is the election is decided by about a little more than 25%.

Hillary will get women of all races to the polls and they make up the majority.

White males THINK they're in the majority but they never have been.

[betsuni]

50. K&R

[no_hypocrisy]

52. Hillary reminds me of Eleanor Roosevelt. Hard to improve on that.

[Android3.14]

57. Would Eleanor have been a good President?

It's beyond my experience, and my curiosity is genuine.

[no_hypocrisy]

58. IMO, she WAS President.

Franklin was in a wheelchair and couldn't really leave the White House.

Eleanor toured the United States by car. She visited coal miners down in the dark mines. She visited wounded soldiers in hospitals. She visited children living in slums. She saw how the elderly were living in destitution, homeless.

And she returned to the White House and insisted that her husband listen to her. Really listen. And because of Eleanor, legislation was drafted and passed. Policies were made.

Eleanor was a true partner in turning around this country during the Depression and World War II.

One of the most amazing women in American history.

See if you can find The Roosevelts (PBS production) on DVD. You'll learn so much about Eleanor and the family that launched her.

[Android3.14]

59. Thank you.

I will certainly find that PBS production.

[dflprincess]

62. It's a Ken Burns documentary

I believe it is available on Netfilx.

[joshcryer]

70. You should see it, it's an amazing, absolutely amazing documentary.

And that poster isn't exaggerating about Eleanor's power. She really did run things in FDRs last months if not that whole final year or half year. The rumors ran very deep in that time. (While she probably did not have total power, she had effectively the ear of all FDRs top advisers and there were instances where she made the call for all intents and purposes.)

If you watch that documentary follow it up with the American Experience: Clinton (available also on PBS, free for streaming if you're in the US and have a PBS station in your area).

The Roosevelt's and Clinton's have followed a very similar political pattern. They will be seen as the Roosevelt's of our modern time, whether people like it or not. Especially if, by some power, Hillary Clinton is able to win back Congress. Things will get done. Change will happen. If we get back Congress.

It's only unfortunate to me that Obama may not get the credit he deserves for bringing the Democrats back into FDR-like power. Maybe I'm being pessimistic given Hillary Clinton's objective magnanimity (her concession in 2008 showed her true side; the one that the media never shows).

[cosmicone]

61. Methinks some are overly "concerned"

It is a logical result of having indigestion over her becoming the nominee.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Strawman

[The Second Stone]

68. The race will tighten the way a constrictor snake tightens its grip on its prey

And that does not bode well for the side that is undisciplined, the side that has no experience, the side that has no enthusiasm, the side that can't buy a speaker, the side that does not have a get out the vote organization, the side that doesn't have any money in the bank, the side that no one wants to ally with, the side that is unprepared to win or to lose.

If we do our part, we will win this election. The question is how big will we win it. That is up to registration of likely democratic voters and get out the vote effort on election day.

It's tightening. Damn right. 270 electoral votes to win the White House.

[Demsrule86]

82. I heard the same thing with Romney

It was close...but it was not...so I don't think it will be close. The demographics favor us...but we do need to spend our energies on fighting voter obstruction...and not trying to re-invent Hillary who is great just as she is.

[joshcryer]

69. The funny thing is Clinton being herself has been her best asset this time around.

In 2008 she did everything, and I mean everything, to shed her desire to win and run the country. This time she's not shying away from that desire; even joking about it every time someone asks her about her being President, by cheekily going "YES? ME? President?!?" (See her Colbert and Stewart interviews where she makes that quip every time her being President is mentioned).

This time she's going all out, and she has a terrific media team telling her not to pretend to be someone else other than a career civil servant and a bureaucrat to the core.

[Lil Missy]

72. Those same concern trolls are likely he same ones who insisted only Bernie could win over Trump.

Remember -Hillary couldn't possibly win, despite evidence to the contrary.

[NCTraveler]

74. Her message is excellent and she walked through the primary with it.

While her message should be expanded, which she is doing, the overall direction should stay the same. It resonates with the people.

[Demsrule86]

75. And West has already endorsed Jill Stein.

How this guy was allowed near the Dem platform is not understandable.

[grossproffit]

87. Yeah, well...we can't talk about that.

[Demsrule86]

91. I didn't know that.

I thought bashing greens (adversaries) and their supporters was accepted and expected.

[Demsrule86]

76. Hillary is doing just fine.

She will beat Trump.

[grossproffit]

81. You forgot one..."Hillary needs a voice coach."

I'm still pissed about that one.

[Demsrule86]

84. Me too

Women are always accused of 'yelling' or being 'shrill' ...or overly emotional...it is an attack on women and I would not expect it on a progressive site.

[lillypaddle]

92. Bravo!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

93. If anybody needs to reinvent themselves

it's Trump IMHO. His campaign is a walking disaster and it's beyond me how he is going to draw the necessary broad electoral support to beat Hillary, especially when he can't stop shooting himself in the foot everytime he speaks. His selection of Pence as his VP nominee further cements his insanity/lack of ability to win in November. I'm not going to sweat a few "tightening" (or him ahead) polls. Unfortunately, there is a rabid group of people of roughly 30% who will vote for ANYBODY with an "R" next to their name, including Trump/Pence. Logically, I can't see him winning over a broader coalition. Hell, he doesn't even have a lot of REPUBLICANS in his corner at the moment and those whom are supporting/endorsing him are lukewarm about it and not even showing up at their national convention. What does that say to worrywarts about his electability? Do you see a similar group of Democrats refusing to attend the DNC because Hillary is the nominee? Even most of the "Berniecrats" have moved to Hillary- even before Bernie himself formally endorsed her. We're overall in much better shape than the Republicans. No, we shouldn't get complacent but neither should we be running around with our hair on fire over a few random (bad) polls. We need to resurrect the "Chill the f**k out, I got this!" memes from 2008! Whatever you think about Hillary, whatever mistakes she has made, whatever the right-wing conspiracy says about her, she is clearly not the walking disaster that Trump is. End of line.

[BlueMTexpat]

94. I am proud to K&R this post!

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[niyad]

95. it would be quite amusing if it weren't quite so sickening.