2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI don't have any feelings about Debbie Wasserman Schultz either way !!!
But if giving her head on a proverbial platter to her detractors satiates them I am all for it.
As Carl Bernstein says this is the "Gettysburg of elections". I know which side i am on.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)There. I fixed it for you.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)even if it means a Trump presidency. Those who are coyly claiming "concern" here are outright stating this on the PUMA forum they've started.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Takes me way back lol
I can't believe it's been 8 years...
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Justice
(7,188 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)She has to go
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)She needs to be gone.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I know it sounds trite but if I had to tell her I would tell her it's business, nothing personal
yurbud
(39,405 posts)making a lot more money
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)They might as well have created that district for her. Lots of older Jewish voters and Hispanics and African Americans. Clinton won it with 70% of the vote.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Lots of people buried in shallow graves outside Las Vegas, NYC, and in New Jersey after being told "it's nothing personal, just business" LOL.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)He let go of Vann Jones and others for a lot less.
I expect more of Obama, while the big thank you to DWS was what I expected from HRC, DWS's finished role in the convention is positive and surprising.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Yes, I like to see him run for office.
What is his home state or where he is living now I wonder?
Grey Lemercier
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Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)I was furious, I ADORE Van Jones. He is a brilliant thinker and a lion for PoC. FUCKing Republican ratscum and conservamedia shite pushed him out.
GRRR. Getting mad now all over again.
so sorry for cursing, it is usually not my style
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)preference during the primaries and I am satisfied with Hillary as the nominee, but I do have feelings about Wasserman Schultz and the unprofessional and incompetent way she has run the DNC. The whole six debates on odd nights was a big issue for me and it has been downhill from there.
She needs to apologize and resign.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I am making a utilitarian calculus. I don't even need to examine her motives.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)If Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt could whitewash the Katyn Forest Massacre and ignore Soviet war crimes to protect Josef Stalin because defeating Hitler was paramount I can't stand on ceremonial niceties in this election.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)To me Trump is Hitler. If folks were more serious about stopping him sooner six million of my fellow co-religionists wouldn't have been terminated and four continents would not have been thrown into war.
If FDR and Churchill in their quest to defeat Hitler could ignore the Russians killing 22,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Forest and the raping and pillaging by their soldiers in the areas they occupied I can ignore hardball politics.
DWS should go for the greater good. Period.
First Trump came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Muslim.
Then Trump came for the Mexicans, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Mexican.
Then Trump came for the protesters, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a protester.
Then Trump came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
Stopping Trumpism, i.e. incipient fascism is a moral imperative. "That you evidently fail to comprehend the all-important and overarching point of this issue is simply astounding to me."
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Reminds me of when Tea Party heroine, Christine O'Donnell, told Eddy Izzard on Politically Incorrect that if she was hiding Jews from the NAZIS and they asked they where they were she would tell them because she couldn't tell a lie:
O'DONNELL: "You always have to talk about the truth... I tell the truth... The lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you're exaggerating or lying to because it's not respecting reality."
EDDIE IZZARD: "What if someone comes to you in the middle of the second World War and says, 'Do you have any Jewish people in your house?,' and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler."
O'DONNELL: "I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously."
- Politically Incorrect, 1998
Sounds like a misplaced sense of morality.
In any case there is a contingent that purposely discounts the threat Donald Trump presents. Maybe it is to assuage their conscience because they aren't doing enough to defeat him or maybe they don't care all that much for the targets of his wrath either. The latter is also akin to what happened in Hitler's Germany.
P.S. Vladimir Putin wants Trump to win so he had his minions leak e-mails that will embarrass the Democrats on the eve of their Convention and I am supposed to ignore it. I would literally rather die.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)We have a war to win.
DinahMoeHum
(21,814 posts)Florida congressional primary
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randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]
JCanete
(5,272 posts)in hell of getting elected in the general now, and never had one. Yes, its' sad and scary that he'll probably pull 35 to 38 percent of the vote, but that won't cut it. So people continuing to pretend that we need to pretty much suck it up and look away from inner party corruption because ...armageddon, are doing the future of the democratic party and democracy as a whole, a disservice. Your casual "give them what they want" comment is distressing because you don't seem to want a non-dirty party yourself. How can you not give a shit about how your own party's establishment conducts business?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Because defeating Trump by any legal and peaceful means necessary is my raison d'etre. Every other consideration I can envision is subsidiary:
Hes not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isnt. But then Hitler wasnt Hitleruntil he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasnt so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.
The American Republic stands threatened by the first overtly anti-democratic leader of a large party in its modern historyan authoritarian with no grasp of history, no impulse control, and no apparent barriers on his will to power. The right thing to do, for everyone who believes in liberal democracy, is to gather around and work to defeat him on Election Day. Instead, we seem to be either engaged in parochial feuding or caught by habits of tribal hatred so ingrained that they have become impossible to escape even at moments of maximum danger...
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-acceptance-of-donald-trump
To put it in idiomatic English Trumpism scares the shit out of me.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I think she has been a bad chair, even before this malay. Plus, he stance on payday lenders is just way too much for me to take.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)if she really has the party's best interests in mind.
ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)I think she will resign though