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What causes certain states to be red all the time? (Original Post) Smuckies Nov 2012 OP
ignorance PearliePoo2 Nov 2012 #1
Fear of a changing America - and their own shadows. polichick Nov 2012 #2
But what makes them afraid? Smuckies Nov 2012 #4
They know they're losing their automatic (white, male) power... polichick Nov 2012 #11
Rednecks??? LeftInTX Nov 2012 #12
Fixed voters DrToast Nov 2012 #3
Alabama: From birth to age 39 JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2012 #5
been red since civil war - they were against mixed race marriages, civil rights, etc 2Design Nov 2012 #6
Oh... do u think they could ever flip ? Smuckies Nov 2012 #10
just like romneys it is inbred through strict teaching and brainwashed since birth 2Design Nov 2012 #23
Diebold Republican Electing (DRE) Machinez AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #7
Strong religion. Add ID and UT Lionessa Nov 2012 #8
Stereotypes, an answer that is deceptively plausible and allows Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #21
Unless one is willing to worship as they do, one is entirely discounted by them anyway. Lionessa Nov 2012 #25
Uneducated, racist white people. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #9
thats what I was going to say nt kydo Nov 2012 #28
consider these two maps: phantom power Nov 2012 #13
Exactly, it is about slavery jenw2 Nov 2012 #18
Rural counties BarKim Nov 2012 #14
I'd lay odds that these five states consistently rank at the bottom in... MANative Nov 2012 #15
MS, OK, AL, GA, TX, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #16
Good point. Do you think if Dems try in the next 4 yrs in TX and GA that they will flip again? Smuckies Nov 2012 #19
I'm in favor of the 50 state strategy Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #22
Religion and racism Pisces Nov 2012 #17
the larger cities in those states are blue treestar Nov 2012 #20
I'm thinking it is something in the water jberryhill Nov 2012 #24
Gerrymandering, guns, bibles, big hair Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #26
The people in these "red states" have, by their histories, formed a culture, which ladjf Nov 2012 #27

polichick

(37,152 posts)
11. They know they're losing their automatic (white, male) power...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:55 PM
Nov 2012

They have a sense of loss and anxiety about living in a country they don't recognize.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
3. Fixed voters
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:52 PM
Nov 2012

Some people aren't ever going to vote for the other guy. If too many people are like that, it becomes a "safe state."

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
5. Alabama: From birth to age 39
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:53 PM
Nov 2012

1) Religion
2) Affirmative Action
3) Abortion
4) Gay Rights
5) Immigration
6) Education
7) Tolerance

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
7. Diebold Republican Electing (DRE) Machinez
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:53 PM
Nov 2012

in Georgia, at least.

Georgia used to have a Democratic Governor and Senator.
Then the Diebold voting machinez went in, and they "lost"
despite substantial leads in all pre-election polls.
Double-digit vote flipping in the 2002 elections.

No Democrat has won a statewide office in Georgia since.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
8. Strong religion. Add ID and UT
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:54 PM
Nov 2012

Sorry, but the main thing that seems different to me is the percentage of intense religious types, whether they're Baptist, S.Baptist, M. Baptist, Catholic, or Mormon. They are raised at the teat of ignorance and obedience through blind faith. Republicans rely on their willingness to remain faithfully ignorant just as they are with their skydaddy religious intensity.

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
21. Stereotypes, an answer that is deceptively plausible and allows
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

people to feel smug and superior. People knowing that folks feel smug and superior to them is not likely to persuade them. It will make them angry.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
25. Unless one is willing to worship as they do, one is entirely discounted by them anyway.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:05 PM
Nov 2012

The drone of human instructions imagined to be from non-existent authority figures to whom they bow, kneel, differ their thinking to, and believe through faith rather than reason and fact simply overpowers anything one might suggest to the contrary, even if one is of their ilk. If one is not, one should simply not waste one's time.

I can change a winger's POV, but not a religious winger. Those states have a very high devout religious percentage of populace. What else do you see that is consistent through all?

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
13. consider these two maps:
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:55 PM
Nov 2012

Remember, the GOP has adhered to the "Southern Strategy" for the last 40 years, where "Southern" is euphemism for "Former Confederacy"




BarKim

(48 posts)
14. Rural counties
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:56 PM
Nov 2012

If you look at GA. You will see that Obama won all the major cities like Atlanta, Savanna, and Athens with a lot of their surrounding counties. What Romney won was all the rural CO that make up most of the state.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
15. I'd lay odds that these five states consistently rank at the bottom in...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:57 PM
Nov 2012

academic achievement. Deliberate dumbing-down of the electorate with drastic and ongoing underfunding of education.

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
16. MS, OK, AL, GA, TX,
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

How soon you forget. Georgia went for the Democrat in 1976 and 1992. Texas gave us LBJ. When Eugene Debs ran for president his vote in OK was higher than it was in the industrial North East.

And Texas is on the cusp of being majority "minority". Things change. Why they change is complex.

If we didn't have the Electoral College liberals in Alabama would count so Alabama wouldn't be "red". It's an artificial situation.

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
22. I'm in favor of the 50 state strategy
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:06 PM
Nov 2012

it's worth trying. I remember when saw Georgia put in Clinton's column I was sure he'd won the election.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. the larger cities in those states are blue
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:03 PM
Nov 2012

It is quite clear that in the US the more urban the more liberal.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. I'm thinking it is something in the water
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:09 PM
Nov 2012

Agricultural chemical run-off or some kind of brain-eating micro-organism.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
27. The people in these "red states" have, by their histories, formed a culture, which
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:02 PM
Nov 2012

they fervently believe to be "THE" right one. The main details that influenced them during the period 1750-2012 were religion, slavery, agriculture, education,war, plus whatever ideas they had brought with them from their Countries of origin.

Of course, MS, AL, GA and TX were solidly Democratic until the Civil Rights Movement launched the racial integration of the public schools in the South. After that, for certain unspecified reasons, a majority of the White people in the Southern States abandoned the Democratic Party and moved en mass to the Republican fold.

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