2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGreens: Fuck 'em.
They're trying to Naderize this election, so fuck 'em. Stein's running around trying to claim - just like Nader tried to claim - that there's no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.
We don't have to be polite to them. They're not trying to be polite to Democrats. In fact, they are trying to undermine us. Know what we ought to do? While they're down there trying to undermine us, we ought to step on them. HARD. They wouldn't hesitate to step on us, given the opportunity.
We don't have to "make space" for the Green far left. I don't want extremists in control of my party. I've seen what it did to the Republican Party, and no thanks. I don't want our party to be Republican Lite, but I don't want it to be the Green party, either.
Jill Stein is a lying asshole. Anyone who has been a medical professional but has also been anti-vax is a complete fucking quack. She's just as much of a quack as Bill Frist, but in the opposite direction. And she's been trying to evade the whole anti-vaxxer thing, too.
Ajamu Baraka is an extremist asshole. He said that President Obama shows "obsequious deference to white power." Called Bernie Sanders a white supremacist (any Bernie supporters feel warm and fuzzy about the Greens after that?). He also said that Cornel West is "sheep dogging for the Democrats." When you're so much of an extremist asshole that you make Cornel West look sane, then screw you.
So fuck the Green Party. The only thing we need from them is the occasional decent idea that comes bubbling out of the woo soup. And we definitely don't need to take any chances on them getting the opportunity to Naderize this election.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... they know who they are.
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Annie Wilkes, Green party member and Jill Stein supporter.
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FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)I've just always had that impression, at least since 2000. He just looks like he smells bad, imo.
Maybe just me. I'm know I'm weird, lol.
grubbs
(356 posts)I got a warning for expressing how I really felt about these subversive skid marks. But I am good now. I shall no longer disparage Jillenstein even if I do it in the defense of Hillary or the Democratic Party , both of which I would take a bullet for.
Yeah. I am a little raw about that warning.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)I haven't gotten one of those admin. messages in at least a couple of weeks.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I got a hide for calling Jill Stein (G-Moron) a FUCKING FASCIST along with everybody who supports her.
That hide was overturned, so Skinner is fine with you calling Jill Stein (G-Moron) and everybody who supports her a FUCKING FASCIST!!!
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)use their campaign for "social justice" to make it easier for them to crush puss.
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)That Guy 888
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As far as accusations of racism goes, it would be a TOS violation to point out how ironic that part of the op is.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2350557
GaYellowDawg
(4,449 posts)And ironic? Spell it out, because you're not making any sense.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)And yeah, I consider Stein a FUCKING FASCIST AND RACIST!
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)eight years of Bush, thousands of dead soldiers, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, millions of $$ lost in the great Bush recession, and on and on and on.
Fuck Nader with a fire extinguisher sideways and fuck the Greens too.
DRoseDARs
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The stunning voting irregularities, the impossible tallies, the exit polls magically and ahistorically being so far off the mark.
Just blame the bogeyman du jour like we always do.
This site was FOUNDED on the outrage of the literal, criminal theft of the 2000 presidential election. But, to appeal to more mainstream sensibilities, all that was quietly swept under the rug. First into the sub-forums, and then away altogether.
Shhh, we don't talk about *that* anymore. Mustn't acknowledge the coup that occurred. Couldn't happen here, not in the US. Much like an open fascist running for president under a major party and actually having a shot at winning. Couldn't happen here, not in the US...
It will happen again. Because we politely pretend it didn't happen in 2000...
*Just not for Trump. He's bad for business. He's bad for everything.
Edit: Huh, double-post.
Edit2: Self-deleted the duplicate.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)"Black Box Voting" is scam to separate people whose side lost from their money. Scam artist Bev Harris started it scamming liberals pissed off at Bush being handed the election by Nader and moved on to Wingnuts pissed off at a black man in the white house.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Shhh, we don't talk about *that* anymore. Mustn't acknowledge the coup that occurred..."
However, we do in fact discuss BBV (indeed, rather often), in addition to other factors which ensured Gore's loss as well. Speaking of X does not deny speaking Y.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Open mockery of BBV as the sole invention of one individual? THAT takes the cake... /smdh
progressoid
(49,992 posts)100% the fault of FUCKING butterfly ballots that gave thousands of Gore votes to Buchanon.
100% the fault of FUCKING 12% of Florida Democrats that voted for Bush in Florida.
100% the fault of FUCKING of Katherine Harris and purging thousands of eligible voters.
100% the fault of FUCKING Supreme Court.
100% the fault of FUCKING...
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)It was Nader that made it possible for the Repukes to steal it from him. Without Nader, Gore's margin of victory would have been too great to contest. And we are still crawling out from the mess that followed. Thanks Nader and the Green Party!
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liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Johnson on the other hand, is just a dumbass.
The Wizard
(12,546 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)By arguing that there is no difference, they legitimize him.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)He ran a terrible campaign, losing his home state of TN. Losing Clinton's State of Arkansas. Only 50% of registered democrats in FL voted.
Gore presented himself as similar to Bush with a lock box.
Chakaconcarne
(2,460 posts)Of a 2 party system......just not this election....or the next...right?
GaYellowDawg
(4,449 posts)Until then, Greens? Fuck 'em. Libertarians? Fuck 'em. Republicans? Fuck 'em. And I don't give a goddamn if my party's competing against one other party or many. There's no evidence to suggest that a multi-party system works any better than two.
So do you support the Green Party? If so, why are you here? They are not friends, colleagues, or allies. They are competition. And since they are trying - as they always have - to legitimize themselves specifically at the expense of the Democratic Party, then fuck 'em.
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Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Get back to me about them as a party when they're actively winning state and local elections and building up a cohesive platform that doesn't involve flipflops from the head of it.
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)No, really. Fuck 'em.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gore1FL
(21,147 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)There are good people with the Greens and good people with the Democrats.
There'll be 4 votes for the Democrats coming from the Cheapdate family, but I won't be joining in any hate-fest against my Green friends.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)"we ought to step on them. HARD. They wouldn't hesitate to step on us, given the opportunity."
Honestly, your fear mongering is more dangerous than any Green Party vote.
GaYellowDawg
(4,449 posts)That's not fear. That's a realistic assessment of an opponent who is trying to get a seat at the big table at our expense. What do Green Party ads push? They always go after the Democratic Party and they always try to establish a false equivalence between us and Republicans. There's no fear mongering in that observation. If you're getting all mad over that, then perhaps the grass is Greener in other pastures.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)And should be given no quarter.
They are the enemy.