I am DAMN sick and tired of the bullshit

[Highway61]

Nine out of the ten top stories here have to do with Trump. It's all Trump all the time. There is no escape. Everyone knows he's a full blown nutcase. Nothing new on that front. I used to come here to see discussion on different topics. No more. Hillary is running.....why no discussion of what she is running on? You know, the ISSUES!
There is no critical thinking anymore...just Trump bashing.
I may not post a lot but I have been around long enough to see posters bounced off this board for their more than passionate thoughts on a topic....and they weren't freepers.

I saw Requiem For The American Dream again Saturday night by Norm Chomsky....for those of you who didn't see it. Please do.
For those who did....please watch it again.

Real change starts from us as a group. It's time to put the Trump card down. We get it....he's a wacko. No one here is going to vote for him. Please focus on the issues and change that benefit all of us.

End of my rant.

[Squinch]

1. Lots of GREAT issue analysis in your post!

[cwydro]

37. Lol!

Well played!

[sarae]

52. +10

[AgadorSparticus]

68. Bwahahahaha 😂 nt.

[GeorgeGist]

71. Critical thinking is a joke?

[Demsrule86]

75. Now there is a Freudian slip...

"Critical" being the operative word.

[Adrahil]

2. Meh....

AS long as Cheeto Jesus wants to dig his hole deeper, I am glad to allow him to do it. Our first task, is to win the election.

[Highway61]

14. My point exactly

Who's mind are you going to change HERE on DU? People here are not going to vote for him. It's beating a dead horse.

[Curtland1015]

3. If there's a wolf trying to blow down the door, worry about that first.

Worry about the furniture placement after.



I get it, though. I get what you're saying. There's nothing wrong with discussing or even arguing policy. And yet, there is a loud contingent here that angrily and wrongly flies off the handle at any mere MENTION of criticism of any kind at our candidates, no matter how small. It can be a bit disappointing.

But I blame no one for focusing on Trump right now. We are literally three months away from an election and our candidate has already been chosen. Stopping him from getting in is our first and biggest priority and no matter how good the news has been the for us the past month, nothing is guaranteed.

[Hortensis]

4. I understand venting, but so don't talk about him,

talk about what matters to you. This is silly. Pick and issue and repost. It'll probably get a short string of answers, but it'll be there for those who want to discuss.

[Demsrule86]

9. Not electing him matters to me...

showing all what a monster he is matters to me. Poor Trump...he is just abused on this site...and I LOVE IT.

[Hortensis]

42. Lol. How about should candidates be required to

undergo mental health screening? There's an issue that'd knock out more than a few the far right has been putting in office. Tom "The Hammer" DeLay has been seriously "identified" as not just having a personality disorder but one in the "dark triad"--a psychopath, in a number of articles with a psychological bent I've read, and he's just one of a bunch. Newt Gingrich also.

Right now, how about Cruz? Rubio? Do either have a conscience? Very possibly clinically diagnosable. Ben Carson certainly, and I feel sure he'd be not half so harmless as he presents himself if he got real power. The farther you go out of the mainstream it seems the more common problems are, or perhaps just stronger and more noticeable.

[Demsrule86]

47. True. Most seem to be sociopaths to me. nt

[Hortensis]

55. Strange how in moving so far right the GOP's

become a springboard for so many of this type. Not that, from what I've read, psychopaths and narcissists have ever been uncommon in politics, but driving out moderate conservatives opens up a lot more opportunities for them, and making extreme policies "mainstream" requires less camouflage. Smiling villain is the new norm. At the same time, for those of us on the outside, they become easier to pick out and wonder about.

[Demsrule86]

58. I think we saw the same thing happen before WWII

Good people were driven out of the parties in Europe ...particularly in German, and Italy. The result was Hitler and Mussolini ...and war. God forbid if Trump was ever elected ...it could be even worse.

[Hortensis]

60. Scary. We're not in a fraction of the bad shape

the people of Germany were, though. Still, next time I see our reactionary neighbor down the street I'll give him some soothing pats and tell him it'll be all right.

[Demsrule86]

65. They listen to rightie propoganda all the time...

Things are much better. In 2008 we moved because of a plant closing, hubs lost his new job, we had a new mortgage, I could not find a job anywhere,we lost our college fund, we almost lost cars and house, we ate beans and spaghetti every day, we were in a strange area and knew no one and my hubs worked for auto which were on life support. Pres. Obama saved autos and millions of jobs in the end...he stopped the job hemorrhage and gave us health care. He caught Bin Laden and appointed fine justices to the supreme court and other courts. He stopped the GOP from wrecking the country with the debt ceiling...he is a good guy and has been a good president...things are way better...but the right is still stuck in doom and gloom because of their media.

[Hortensis]

69. What a great post. Glad you came through that with

plenty to be glad about, but most of it, of course, is in you guys. Just wish more people actually feel the positive things that have been done the way you do. Since DH was retired and me semi, it just didn't hit us so hard, although I had to stop saving and we'll be feeling the effects over the years too.

We need to cut conservatives a bit of a break, poor things. They tend to dislike change all by itself and certainly are not suited to a world of galloping change. They're naturally both more fearful and have a darker view of human nature. Generally speaking, they prize security and are not the kind of people to be at their best when gazing into a future that is an incomprehensible and unpredictable blank. They need to see a road and know where it's going.

Dems promise us all there'll be pie in that picture somewhere, someday, just can't say what kind or just how much, or when, and that may work for us but sure doesn't for them. They want strong leaders who'll give them firm answers and promise make it basically the way they liked it before.

And here comes all that lying propaganda aimed straight at their weakest points.

[Squinch]

73. Yes!!! This!!!!!

[Demsrule86]

74. Scary times.

I am canvassing during the weekend...take nothing for granted.

[sufrommich]

5. Leave Trump alone!!

[FSogol]

6. LOL. The OP needs to stop watching the Trump circus and turn to page A30 of the paper.

HRC and Kaine are on the trail every day discussing issues. His comments should be directed to the media and not on DUers.

[Highway61]

22. The media is bought and paid for

Indeed we have to go to the back of the front section to get to the issues. DU is not the mainstream media and 9 out of 10 articles here on the front page are about Trump's dumb-ass and NOT about Hillary and Kaine and what they discussed that day! It's a distraction from what we should be focused on. It's OK to discuss but that is ALL that is discussed here... front and center. I thought we were better than that.

[sufrommich]

23. So what's stopping you from posting OPs ? nt

[FSogol]

30. I look forward to your series of substantive insightful articles on the issues & electing Democrats.

[skylucy]

19. LOL!

[workinclasszero]

62. LOLZ

[Demsrule86]

7. Right ....we should stop

letting Trump be Trump and give him a break and instead discuss issues as if Trump is not a candidate who must be disqualified...sorry not that kind of election. The most important issue is saving the world from Trump.

[JaneyVee]

8. Trump-bashing is patriotic.

[NCTraveler]

44. This. Lol nt

[sarae]

56. Yes, it is!

[yardwork]

10. Why are you so worried about what people post about Trump?

[Highway61]

13. Worried???

Excuse me....The only thing I worry about are those who are going without in this country. How about a someone diagnosed with cancer and haven't the means or money to fight it. How about the poverty rate of children going hungry in this country at an all time high? How about not being able to secure a "good" job after college with a pile of debt. I can go on and on. THAT'S what I am worried about.

[yardwork]

20. Why not start an OP about one of those topics, then?

[skylucy]

24. Why don't you post an op about all the children helped through Hillary's Childrens

Health Insurance Fund? Or all the good works done through the Clinton Foundation? Or how Hillary wants to build on and improve Obamacare but needs a democratic Senate to accomplish that?

[Demsrule86]

34. Is there someone else you think deserves more criticism? nt

[Demsrule86]

49. What is stopping your from posting on any of those issues? nt

[MichiganVote]

11. The Dem Platform

https://www.demconvention.com/platform/

[betsuni]

12. My way or the highway. There is no escape. Heck is other people.

Hillary is running. What is she running on? Grass? Cement? Why no discussion of what she is running on? You know, the ISSUES! There is no thinking anymore, nine out of ten top stories are bouncing and passionate thoughts. Please focus on the issues and spare change that benefits all of us. DAMN.

[Demsrule86]

36. Yeah and passionate posters were not allowed to post

this 'discussion'. I see where this is going. We support the Democratic nominee on DU.

[Demsrule86]

50. We had a primary...and she has a website too. nt

[Buckeye_Democrat]

15. I love Chomsky and I watched that movie again too.

The Trump weirdness is too entertaining for me to ignore, though.

[skylucy]

16. Oh please. Sorry if you are so offended by Trump bashing. I LOVE Hillary and I

LOVE the Trump bashing on DU. Don't know what you consider "critical thinking". Would that be criticizing or "expressing concerns" about Hillary Clinton? Yeah, "we get it"...Trump is "a wacko". We also "get it" that Hillary is our nominee. We know what she is "running on" and we support her wholeheartedly. To my fellow DUers...KEEP UP THE TRUMP BASHING!
End of my "rant".

HILLARY/KAINE 2016

[sarae]

57. Trump bashing is the only way we have to hit back at him.

I need an outlet or I would spontaneously combust from the anger I feel towards him.

Plus, it's just FUN.

[skylucy]

72. Yes!!

[jcgoldie]

17. Hmmm

Well why don't you show us the way with a hard nosed post about the issues instead of bitching about people bitching about Trump?

[NCTraveler]

18. Meta railing against non-meta ops.

Very interesting.

I also notice you have not recommended one single issue based op, of which there have been many. Me thinks this is about something else.

[skylucy]

25. Me thinks you are right NC!

HILLARY/KAINE 2016

[NCTraveler]

27. Hillary/Kaine 2016

[Highway61]

29. Do you?

I don't post much...yet have been here a while. I come for the news. I work....a LOT. I don't live here. You actually have the time to view what I rec and do not rec??? I am willing to bet I am a lot older...take it easy will ya....we're suppose to be on the same page here. That wan't very nice.

[NCTraveler]

31. I don't see the part of my post that is not nice.

Yes, we can all see people's recommend list. Not one of your recommends is on an issue based op, of which there have been thousands.

Your op is meta and actually rails against non-meta ops. That's factual and not mean.

You have not recommended a single issues based op. That's factual and not mean.

Trying to make this about mean or nice, when those options don't even exist in the post you replied to, confirms my thought that this is about something else.

[Highway61]

33. Go ahead my dear,

what is this about????

[NCTraveler]

43. I'm not sure.

Never said I was sure as to what it's about. It's very clear it isn't about the context you put forth. I made my case clear on that one.

Additionally, if you are going to go around addressing women as "dear", it should only be used as "Dear NCTraveler"; otherwise it's just passive aggressive crap.

[Highway61]

77. ...

"confirms my thought that this is about something else."...I asked what this "something else" was.

As for the "dear"...sorry I was not trying to be passive aggressive. Relax. Let go of the anger.
Peace.

[NCTraveler]

78. No clue why you are now calling me angry.

You have now said I was mean to you, when I wasn't even close to mean. You then follow it up by stating I'm angry, when that is very far from the truth. I'm going to suggest you speak for yourself and not me. It isn't working for you.

"I asked what this "something else" was."

And I answered.

[AgadorSparticus]

40. Yep, I agree. It is about something else....again. nt

[NurseJackie]

21. If only more people would lead by example it would be a better world.

[AgadorSparticus]

41. HA!! 😂

[BobbyDrake]

26. If you don't already know Clinton's stand on specific issues, what's stopping you

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from going and finding out on your own?

What purpose would discussing issues serve if it only means people chiming in with different opinions and causing an argument to break out over disagreements?

What you're talking about was finished during the primary. Debating different policy positions between two candidates only works when both candidates actually HAVE policy positions, as Sanders and Clinton did. Trump doesn't have anything that even resembles a policy position, so what are we supposed to compare Clinton's to? That would only elevate Trump's verbal diarrhea into something it is not.

[skylucy]

39. Excellent point!

[PJMcK]

28. Good points but this is primarily a political website

In spite of the political bent of DU, there's lots of other interesting things to read and view here. In stead of the Home page or the Latest Threads, take a look at the Science or Health Topics. The Entertainment and Arts & Humanities pages are pretty good, too. And there's always the DU Lounge.

Of course, there's more to the internet than politics!

But thanks for your rant, Highway61. I agree with your observations but since I have Trump Addiction™ I have to read the latest Trumpatrocity!

[jalan48]

32. The cult of personality has taken the place of focusing on the issues.

I'd say the mass media is largely responsible-it's easier to watch the news if one doesn't have to think critically about what is being said. It's just, Rah! Rah! Go team!

[pnwmom]

35. Nope. When a Rethug is busy imploding, we should pull up seats and watch. Sell tickets even.

Enjoy every minute.

There will be plenty of time to address the issues after Hillary is elected President.

For now, our best plan is to fan the flames that will hopefully consume this don and everyone associated with him.

And help us to sweep new majorities into the Senate and House, so Hillary can get something done when she's elected.

And for the record, this current story about Trump and the ledgers is monumental. In any other election, someone like Manafort would be fired immediately. There is a very good reason so much attention is focused on Trump. We have never seen a major party candidate like him -- ever.

But other countries have. Countries whose examples we don't want to follow.

[Demsrule86]

38. 1000+

[AgadorSparticus]

66. Exactly!!!!!

[SecularMotion]

45. Do you still keep in touch with OMC?

[AgadorSparticus]

46. Where have you been? There has been discussion on what she stands for ad nauseum on DU

It was a good damn civil war here because of the "issues". At this point, if you don't know what Hillary's platform is, then you're willfully not paying attention. In which case, feel free to read up and then post those "substantial" threads on those issues you feel so strongly about. But people have already hashed it out more than once or a thousand times here on DU already.

[fun n serious]

48. I think people should post as much negative as possible abput Trump.

Drive his numbers down as much as we can. Never let up!

[liberal N proud]

51. Trump still has yet to buy any ad time.

He doesn't need to, he just makes an outrageous statement and the media keeps him in the news for days. That just fuels his ego and he goes a little further with each statement.

[Demsrule86]

54. which helps us enormously. nt

[Demsrule86]

53. such concern

but such bad advice..."Please focus on the issues and change that benefit all of us." The best thing that can happen is for Hillary Clinton to win and if you are suggesting a critique of our candidate... no. I don't think that is a good idea. We are in GE mode now and must support our nominee.

[Kaleva]

59. The #1 goal of DU now is to get Hillary and other Dems elected.

Discussion of issues amongst ourselves is of little importance.

[zappaman]

61. Fuck Trump. n/t

[workinclasszero]

63. The house is on fire

And you want the firefighters to put down the water hoses and discuss knitting?

Lets make it easy. If Cheeto Hitler is elected he will be 1000% against your issues on EVERYTHING and as President in a position to do something about it!

Priorities you know?

[Chemisse]

64. But it's just so fun to watch Trump's downfall in delightful detail.

Seriously. This is the most entertaining election I have ever seen. Having Trump and Clinton running neck and neck was really scary, but seeing Trump being crushed is enjoyable.

People here like to talk about it, such as in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2365933

Real issue discussions are great. Start some threads about them. But don't begrudge us our fun in the many Trump threads.

[Initech]

67. I spent all of last week's Top 10 bashing Trump.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028087991

[Snotcicles]

70. Thanks for mentioning "Requiem For The American Dream". I just watched it.

It rekindled my admiration for Bernie Sanders. Not that it had faltered.

[DonCoquixote]

76. amen

Trump is the pop star that knows there is no such thing as bad publicity, so let's deny him the oxygen, especially as his main appeal is "I make your liberal neighbors so so mad."

[bigwillq]

79. oh, look, another Trump thread