2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat a piece of work Jill Stein is.. and that is not a compliment!
I just finished watching an interview with that blowhard on CNN.. I guess they are having a green forum tonight.. and my hand to GOD.. she sat there and attacked Hillary in another scream for investigations.. on the damn emails.. they did 7 of them stein.. if that is all she has, she is no better than trump.. maybe worse.. at least with trump we know he is in opposition to everything we stand for.. she is a freaking sheep in wolves clothing..
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)...Clinton at every chance she gets, lies about her, and buddies up with Putin supporters, doesn't mean you should say truthful things about her!!!
That's rude! We should see the spiteful liar who is literally running against us in the race and said Hillary is just as terrible as Trump as an ALLY and a FRIEND!
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)and that is the truth.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)My DVR is set to tape it at 9pm eastern.
I've never heard her interviewed.
But, she comes off as a little wacky in the few snippets I've seen of her.
Hoping she doesn't pull any votes from Hillary.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)So any votes she gets would have gone to Trump anyway.. after listening to that interview.. I almost fell off the couch..
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)Do you live in Key West?
If so, I'll be right over with some marguerites ....lol.
Just joshin...know u meant couch.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)going to go and correct that.. thank you.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I hope more incompetent, though...A GOP dressed in far left skin...
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)and when she started spewing.. I realized why people are so put off by her.. I mean I had caught snippets here and there.. and thought.. well maybe they are editing for excitement.. because no liberal or progressive is going to fall for that (and they won't).. she is a ding bat
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)presidency.
In their illusions of grandeur they believe a Trump presidency would causes the masses to revolt, and after this revolution we would magically become a utopian society.
It isn't unlike Nader's view in 2000, and the result of that was a disaster across the board.
If the next President accomplished nothing else but changing the direction of the Supreme Court, that would have major significance
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)would bring.
still_one
(92,204 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)are only interested in promoting candidates for our elections is untrue. I believe that these smaller parties or initiatives think that the larger political parties, GOP and Dem. have had their day, do not contribute to the liberty and well being of citizens and consume all the political power in the country. They would like to see the major parties gone once and for all.
Maybe they are right. Maybe one day there will be a myriad of parties on our ballots that compete for votes. Maybe...only maybe.
In the meantime, the Democratic Party needs to keep in mind that remaining static increases the likelihood of a failed candidate like Donald Trump.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)but after that little performance.. it would be a waste of time..that became quickly obvious..
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)But these people just come off as more whack a doodle than Trump and I believe I've had my fill of that.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)Have you heard Gary Johnnson ...he takes nutty, nerdy, goofball to a new level.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)By the time this election is done, some mental place is going to have to reserve an entire floor for Trump and these people.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)It's just his manner of speaking, his really bad jokes, wearing stupid tennis shoes with his suit.
He screams,,,,NON-Presidential.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Take a look at countries with multiple parties...realistically often a conservative minority runs the place...the UK is a perfect example of what can go wrong. And screw the Greens and any other party that helps the GOP and that monster Trump. We are set up to be a two party system basically ...not parliamentary. If we don't have a majority of votes...it goes to the house which is why third parties will not prosper. If there was a large upheaval such as happened in the 1850's and 1860's, a different party could replace one of our parties...but I do not believe multiple parties are possible under our system of government. And honestly I don't know why anyone would want that.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)But don't let a little thing like The Facts get in the way of your hypothesis.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)There was no "Change" versus "Not-change" on the ballot, so some interpretation is necessary.
I'd count votes for Sanders, Trump, and Cruz as "Change" votes, albeit change in at least three different directions (maybe more if we try to take account of all of Trump's gavottes). The more conventional, mainstream politicians were Clinton, Kasich, Rubio, Bush, and most of each party's also-rans. By that metric, "Change" held a big lead over "Not-change" in the combined primary vote.
This is consistent with overall polling. I think there's a substantial majority saying that the country is on the wrong track -- an answer that scores better among Republicans than Democrats but that receives majority support within each party as well as from independents.
This is important because it may represent Trump's only path to victory. If he can capitalize on widespread discontent and appeal to a "throw the rascals out" mood, he might get people to overlook his own manifest shortcomings. He has no record in public office and makes one wild statement after another, but that's because he's not a conventional politician, and many voters are fed up with conventional politicians.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)represents a transparent effort to manipulate data that tells you something you don't like so that it says something different instead. Ted Cruz didn't run as a "Change" candidate, and doesn't get included with them. Trump and Sanders were the change candidates, and neither won a majority of their primary's votes.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Yes, Ted Cruz is a sitting Senator, but so is Bernie (and Bernie has been in Congress much longer). Cruz was running against the GOP Establishment, whose members almost universally despised him. Furthermore, he was calling for major changes in public policy. My guess is that he got many votes from people who would have voted for "Change" over "Not-change" if that were the choice on the ballot.
Of course, we can't say for sure. I said it's a matter of interpretation, implying that more than one interpretation is defensible. You presumably disagree at that level, because you say that someone who disagrees with you must be engaged in "a transparent effort to manipulate data". I'll let our difference rest there.
grubbs
(356 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)KingCharlemagne
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Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)As long as they did not rob someone or something like that.. as long as they are good people promoting positions that are for the betterment of everyone..
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)Composting stations, tree bark, and electric cars.
Green humor.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)backs
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)She's doing them no favors.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)the know-nothing crackpot whack-a-doodles that they are on their little Wed. "town hall."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Gothmog
(145,291 posts)They have a crazy theory that things will be so bad under trump that we will welcome the revolution. That theory failed under W and there is no need for the country to suffer under Trump just to make the greenies happy
George Eliot
(701 posts)If she were honestly working for the benefit of the Greens (which I applaud), she would not be denigrating Hillary but emphasizing those things she and the Greens bring to the table. It is pretty sad. The Greens continue to be a party without leadership.
Orcrist
(73 posts)this morning on CNN as well. It was just a straight up assault on Hillary from the word go. I never heard her speak a negative word about Trump. Or really say that much about herself either. And her statements were as bad or worse than anything you would hear a right wing blogger say. It is glaringly obvious that she is purely an anti Hillary agent in this years election cycle. I have less respect for her than I do Trump. At least he is openly a member of the opposition. Stein is slimy little would be back stabber. She is as transparently up to no good as those Nigerian Princes that need your bank routing number so they can wire you millions of dollars. I wouldn't piss in her face if her eye brows were on fire.