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lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
1. Which one is Uday again?
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:31 AM
Aug 2016

Is he the one that rapes the bride at random peoples weddings or the one that uses a riding crop to beat the bottoms of the feet of the soccer team?



Swear they look like central casting vampires from Transylvania.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
2. I know it's not cool to comment on appearance, but those boys have dead eyes.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
Aug 2016

There's just something very strange and creepy about them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. They look like normal people to me.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:44 AM
Aug 2016

Whatever they may or may not do in business, the three oldest ones are all married and have children and seem to be decent parents.

I'm pretty sure sound reasons for criticism could be found. For me trying to get their father elected president is all I need, far more than enough, no need for dehumanizing or other vilifying.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. Being married and having children who haven't gotten into trouble means NOTHING.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
Aug 2016

Being the sons of someone as pathologically narcissistic as Donald, and still connected to him, they have to be warped. The only way they wouldn't be is if they had cut off ties long ago and gotten lots of therapy.

And this goes for Ivanka, too. The favorite child of a narcissist -- still in his thrall -- is a damaged person, even if she appears great on the outside.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Sorry, but strongly disagree. Reportedly he had little to do with
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:24 PM
Aug 2016

raising them, and the money to be left by someone who's probably extremely wealthy by all but billionaire standards would be a complete explanation for sticking close to him at this point. A very normal thing to do.

I do have real doubts about their moral standards, based on bits of behavior and various allegations I've heard, but even if true, what's different about that? Frankly, very large numbers of Americans seem to become moral douchebags these days as soon as they quest beyond those in their own personal worlds, very much including the popular political pastime of slinging mud six ways from Sunday.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. His influence would have infected that whole house, that whole family, even if he wasn't
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:28 PM
Aug 2016

the one who spent the most time with them. Even after the divorce from their mother. He still would have planted in them the same idea that his father planted in him: that they were special, entitled, perfect specimens of humanity -- because they were part of him. And if they didn't keep up that perfect image, then they were scum -- and he could abandon them just as he abandoned their mother.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-is-2020/201405/narcissistic-parents-psychological-effect-their-children

The topic of narcissism begs the following question flashing in neon lights: Why would a narcissist want a child to begin with? Aren’t they so focused on themselves that they wouldn’t have the slightest interest in paying attention to others, much less attending to a needy young child who craves constant attention and praise?

Alas, the question presumes a type of normalcy and natural order of the parent-child relationship that betrays the root of narcissism. The truth is, narcissistic parents don’t have children because they want to nurture and guide their offspring through life; they have children so that they have an automatic, built-in relationship in which they have power, one in which the narcissist can write the rules without any checks and balances. Understand this: Control over someone else is the ultimate jackpot every narcissist works so hard to win. The reality of narcissistic parenting couldn’t be sadder: The child of the narcissist realizes early on that he exists to provide a reflection for the parent and to serve the parent - not the other way around.

If you comb through online relationship forums and chat rooms devoted to the subject of adult children of narcissists, you'll find that all of the posters of comments have suffered similar bruises at the hands of a narcissistic parent. To read some of the comments is heartbreaking, and calls into question how strange and illogical it is to create such rigorous adoption laws when an ill-fit individual can procreate whenever they want – and mess up the life of a child without suffering a consequence. The real tragedy occurs behind closed doors at home, much like the process of physical abuse. The problem with being a child of a narcissist is that it takes these children so many years of frustration and anguish to figure out that Mom or Dad isn’t quite right; until that point, these children are merely dancing as fast as they can, trying to please the impossible-to-please narcissistic parent. It takes years to finally see that the type of parenting they’ve been receiving is wrong – if not emotionally abusive.

Young children of narcissists learn early in life that everything they do is a reflection on the parent to the point that the child must fit into the personality and behavioral mold intended for them. These children bear tremendous anxiety from a young age as they must continually push aside their own personality in order to please the parent and provide the mirror image the parent so desperately needs. If these children fail to comply with the narcissist’s wishes or try to set their own goals for their life – God, forbid – the children will be overtly punished, frozen out or avoided for a period of time – hours, days or even weeks depending on the perceived transgression in the eyes of the narcissistic parent.

SNIP

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Well, I don't mind slamming Trump with charges of
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:57 PM
Aug 2016

a severe personality disorder of some kind, because it's so obvious, but I've seen almost nothing of his children, who are all individual people with their own personalities and characters.

The littlest one looks just like him, and his mother says he's a little Trump, which is alarming, but it's also exactly what a woman in her position would say, so I very sincerely hope not.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. The children of a pathological narcissist aren't allowed to have their own personalities
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:05 PM
Aug 2016

and characters. Everything they do must be a perfect reflection of the narcissist. In the mind of their father, they don't exist as separate people -- they are merely extensions of him. That doesn't mean they won't appear to have separate interests; but they only have interests and behaviors that he approves and that reflect well on him (in his opinion).

Trump's adult children have all remained in his orbit. None of them abandoned him, which means they are still trying to please him.

And they all present the image to the public that he wants them to present.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Umhm. I don't particularly care for them either,
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Aug 2016

but I guess I should feel terribly sorry for their dreadful childhoods that stifled and warped the persons they were meant to be into...these. Whatever. I have no idea who they really are and I agree with you on far, far more than disagree.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. And yet so many participate in that kind of behavior,
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:32 PM
Aug 2016

even if few can afford to fly to Africa for it.

Anyone here ever sprayed poison for mosquitoes just because they wanted to sit outside?

Threw chemicals around to retard crabgrass because it's so much easier than...you know, weeding.

Watered their yards knowing full well that the aquifer the fresh water came from was being permanently depleted by so doing, almost literally wasting away the water their own children and grandchildren need to live?

Purchased clothes without bothering to check to see if they were made by slave labor?

Ignored reports in the newspapers about sex slavery in their own town and did nothing to insist the police put a stop to it?

Routinely pass by seasonal foods fairly locally produced for ones shipped around the planet?

I even bet some of us have been photographed doing these shocking things. And, yes, I'm guilty of all but the first two. We don't spread chemicals around our yards.

Forgot to mention the biggie: Paying to eat animals routinely slaughtered right here by the billions under such unspeakably inhumane conditions that some states have actually passed laws outlawing reporting on them for fear it would disturb us.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
9. I have a couple of family friends named Uday, so I am not so tickled by the Saddam jr
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:23 PM
Aug 2016

that you chose. It is Sanskrit for "dawn".

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