Debbie Wasserman Schultz on fracking in debate with Tim Canova

[think]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz says she backs fracking ban after sounding open to it in debate

Posted by Amy Sherman on Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2016 at 1:41 PM

After calling for “regulations” on fracking during a debate, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz now says she would support a ban in Florida.

"Let me be clear, I am against fracking, especially in Florida,” Wasserman Schultz said in a press release after the Miami Herald sought more details about her position. “I support a ban on fracking at the state level.”

Fracking, a controversial type of oil and gas extraction that raises red flags for environmentalists, was one of the few issues that divided Wasserman Schultz from her Democratic opponent Tim Canova in their lone debate on CBS4 in Miami earlier this month. They also clashed about the Middle East.

When host Jim DeFede asked the candidates during a brief lightning round at the end of the debate if they would support a ban on fracking in Florida, Canova said "I would."...

Read more:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2016/08/does-debbie-wasserman-schultz-support-a-ban-on-fracking.html

Environmentalists Sound Alarm On Proposed Drilling Near Florida Everglades

By Greg Allen - December 9, 2015 4:16 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered

Florida's Everglades has an ecosystem known for its sawgrass, cypress trees, alligators — and perhaps soon, oil wells.

Oil drilling isn't allowed in the 1.5 million-acre Everglades National Park, but the ecosystem extends far beyond the park's boundaries — and drilling is allowed in Big Cypress National Preserve, an adjacent protected area about half the size of the park.

Environmental groups are concerned that the testing may harm endangered plants and animals, and that it may open sensitive areas to drilling and fracking.

Betty Osceola, a member of the Miccosukee tribe, has lived her whole life in the Everglades. During the Seminole Wars of the 19th century, her ancestors hid from federal troops in the Everglades swamps and cypress forests.

"This land, the Everglades, they protected us in our time of need — she provided us shelter, she provided us food, she provided us water," Osceola says. "As indigenous people, it's our turn to take up and speak for her."...

Read more:
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459099471/environmentalists-sound-alarm-on-proposed-drilling-near-florida-everglades

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/no-fracking-in-florida-1

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/us/in-florida-an-unlikely-battle-over-fracking-intensifies.html?_r=0

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/21642-fracking-florida-could-florida-become-the-new-fracking-frontier

[lsewpershad]

1. Debbie

Needs to be banmed.

[NurseJackie]

2. That's not a nice thing to say.

[Hortensis]

111. A nice thing: Floridians vote for tax breaks for SOLAR POWER.

CBS Florida:

Voters in Florida have approved a constitutional amendment that’ll provide property tax breaks for people who install solar panels on their homes.

The measure is winning statewide by a huge 73 percent to 27 percent margin. The measure needed 60 percent to win.

Amendment 4 was placed on the ballot by a unanimous vote in both chambers of the Legislature. The increased value to a home from the installation of solar panels or other renewable energy devices can’t be considered when assessing homes to determine property taxes.

The amendment also removes Florida’s “tangible personal property tax,” which taxes solar equipment installed on properties. Without it, leasing solar systems will be a more profitable business in Florida. Right now, despite abundant sunshine, Florida lags nationally in solar power production. Solar arrays are getting cheaper but are still costly, so providing more access to leasing for all property owners will increase the sun power generated in the state.

[NurseJackie]

118. That's fantastic!

[Hortensis]

120. Yes! A trap is laid for voters with another bill on Nov. 8, though.

The next bill sounds good but is meant to benefit business by limiting the power generators' (the property owner) right to sell or control their excess power. One guess who would get that.

I'm afraid the great enthusiasm for this bill means that one will pass. But, on the plus side, it'd still be moving toward solar and new laws could be passed if people wanted.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/08/30/amendment-4-would-make-solar-cheaper-for-property-owners-2/

Btw, with the sun beating so brutally on roofs, I wondered how on earth any Floridians could possibly vote against harnessing its tremendous power. Turns out only about the same number of hard-cores who can be counted on to always knuckle-drag did.

Embracing your power, Florida

[think]

4. When she's not resigning in disgrace from the DNC or voting for pay day lending legislation after

taking money from pay day lenders Debbie Wasserman Schultz still has time to come out against Medical Marijuana in her home state and then change her mind if people quit calling her out on it:

John Morgan calls Debbie Wasserman Schultz medical pot 'prohibitionist' in fundraising email

John Morgan, the major Florida political donor engaged in a public spat with U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is using the incident to raise dollars and get signatures for a 2016 ballot initiative to legalize medical marijuana. And he's not holding back.

"We don't negotiate with prohibitionists. Or bullies," reads the fundraising email Morgan sent supporters Friday afternoon, in the wake of a tussle -- through intermediaries -- with Wasserman Schultz.

Politico has reported that the Weston Democrat's office indicated Wasserman Schultz might reverse her opposition to legal medical pot if Morgan stopped publicly blasting her over it. The congresswoman, who is also chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, has denied her office a potential deal, though text messages and emails obtained by Politico suggest otherwise.

Read more:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2015/02/we-dont-negotiate-with-prohibitionists-john-morgan-fundraising-for-medical-pot-off-spat-with-debbie-.html

[BobbyDrake]

20. I was going to post something about how her haters will just find a new topic to fixate on...

...but the living example of you beat me to it.

[think]

24. Fixate? You mean on issues & actions that matter? Sadly you think these things don't matter.

It's all about cheer leading and winning. The issues aren't important to some people....

[BobbyDrake]

35. I'm actually glad you never learn the lesson. I'll never need to worry about you convinving a

majority of voters to support you when all you see is their flaws, and revel in pointing out how less perfect than you everyone else is.

Enjoy the wilderness, and pack a Snickers. You're going to be there a while.

[think]

37. Fracking is an important issue. DWS chose to support fracking before changing to be against it.

It's posted right above in the OP. Care to comment on THAT?

Medical marijuana was a big issue and she chose to be against it before suggesting she'd change her position if the people working for the issue would quit calling her out on it. Care to comment?

She chose her GOP friends over other Democrats running for the House. How cool is that! Would love to hear your response!

DWS took money from pay day lenders and was backing legislation friendly to those fuckers until she got called out on that.

And to top it off DWS resigned in disgrace from the DNC for her blatant attempts to undermine the Sanders AND Canova campaigns.

Sure. Canova may lose. But issues like these matter. And Canova isn't playing stupid games. He's being straight forward and honest. DWS will say whatever it takes and will change her position at will.

Looking forward to your comments on these issues and changes of positions by DWS.

[mpcamb]

39. Fracking stink-stank-stunk from the get go. ANYBODY who favored it

was getting a check from a company involved.

[think]

38. Well scripted insults don't substitute for factual discussion of issues and positions

Eventually people will catch on....

[Lunabell]

53. you arr absolutely right.

Het positions don't seem to be Democratic at all. At least not the Democratic party I belong to. Seems too many Democrats are voting for incumbents without really looking at the issues. Democrats are supposed to be pro environment and pro working class.

[immoderate]

31. You have to admit, she provides plenty of good reason.

--imm

[George II]

134. Why? The people of her district appreciate her. Isn't that's what it's all about?

[NurseJackie]

3. Looks like she's got thing thing all wrapped up.

By tomorrow evening we'll know for sure. She's going to be a very strong and experienced ally for Hillary.

[think]

5. And again the avoiding issues. Not surprising.....

[NurseJackie]

8. I have no idea what you're talking about now.

[think]

9. Fracking. Isn't it obvious?

[NurseJackie]

11. Your posts are unclear. So, no... it's not obvious.

But it won't matter anyway. By tomorrow evening, DWS will have won the local election in Florida's 23rd.

She'll be the choice of the voters in her congressional district.

Flaws and all, she's the one that THEY want.

I support and respect their decision.

Will you?

[think]

13. And STILL ignoring the issues. Good bye /nt

[NurseJackie]

14. So, if someone doesn't AGREE with you, then that's your response?

[Loki]

56. No one can ever ever ever change their mind, ideas or their stance

On any issue ever, you know how that goes. Republicans do it all the time, Democrats are not allowed.

[NurseJackie]

62. Purity sure can be challenging, can't it? ;-P

[Loki]

63. I would flunk that test

big time, You have no idea.

[NurseJackie]

68. Maybe if you got a tutor and studied harder! :-P

[think]

64. DWS changed her mind on fracking the NEXT day. She changed her mind on pay day loan legislation

after it was made known she was taking money from pay day lenders and supporting the pro pay day lending industry legislation.

DWS was against medical marijuana but was willing to support it if the medical marijuana campaign would quit calling her out on it.

She didn't evolve on these issues. She just changed her positions for political expediency...

[Loki]

65. Thanks for telling me what to think and ask me if I care.

n/t

[think]

71. Where did I tell you what to think? Do you care to offer an opinion on DWS's position changes?

Do you care?

[Loki]

72. I just did.

Maybe you should read it.

[think]

74. She can change her mind and it's no big deal. Got it. Great response. Kudos....

[Loki]

77. Seriously?

I hope that people seriously consider changing their minds. Rigidity is not a very good trait to have, it will break you and break a lot of other things in the process. It's called flexibility and you don't get it from yoga. Enlightenment allows for the expression of change, and hopefully it moves in the right direction. Try it, you might like it.

[think]

80. DWS changed her positions for political expediency not conviction on the issues. When one offers

to change their position to stop from being called out for their position that's pretty blatant.

Wasserman Schultz denies claim, despite messages

By MARC CAPUTO 02/20/15 02:09 PM EST Updated 02/20/15 06:06 PM EST


MIAMI — Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Friday denied claims that her staff offered a deal to reverse her opposition to medical marijuana in order to silence a Florida donor’s criticisms — attributing the controversy to a misunderstanding.

But text messages and emails obtained by POLITICO indicate her top political adviser was aware of some type of offer to donor John Morgan, who is accusing the South Florida congresswoman of after-the-fact spin.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/debbie-wasserman-schultz-denies-donor-claim-115365#ixzz4IpDSfn5F

[Loki]

83. Tim is going to lose and

the people of her district will elect the person they want to represent them. You are apparently having a hard time dealing with that.
Time to let it go and look at the bigger picture which is much more frightening than DWS possibly "flip flopping" on fracking. If you can't look beyond that, the resulting problem will become everyone's problem, not just the people of Florida.

[think]

84. DWS resigned in disgrace from the DNC for her actions. The Democrats LOST many seats in congress

under her failed leadership.

And DWS DID flip flop on THREE big issues. Not just fracking. She chose to change her positions on Medical marijuana and Pay Day Lending as well after being called out..

[NurseJackie]

86. That's not true. She resigned under pressure*, not "in disgrace".

She made the best choice possible considering the circumstances and for the good of the party's convention.

-------------------------
* from the lunatic fringe who were holding-hostage the convention and would have disrupted even more than they managed to do.

[Rex]

92. I see people are having a hard time with the truth.

Glad she resigned, she was losing too many seats for us.

[NurseJackie]

89. She's a skilled politician. She'll be a strong and valuable ally for Hillary Clinton.

Nothing against "warm-body" newbies with a "D" after their name ... but having an experienced congresscritter in DC will be better when it comes to building coalitions, making deals, twisting arms, finding common ground and making compromises that benefit everyone.

DWS will be ready to go on DAY-ONE! Canova would still be getting used to his training wheels after 6 months.

[NurseJackie]

88. Being inflexible is EXACTLY the main reason that candidates (and "movements" and "revolutions")

... become little more than footnotes in history. An inability to adapt and make the best choices just makes a candidate (or a party, or a movement, or a wing) more likely to be viewed as extreme or fringe ... and someone that won't be taken seriously.

And in the unlikely event that such a candidate is ever elected, they're always going to be ineffective for the sake of pride and vanity. ("It was a great four years, sorry we didn't get anything accomplished, but at least I wasn't willing to compromise on ANYTHING. I stood by my ALL OR NOTHING principles, and today we have NOTHING! Hurrah! Yay us! We showed 'em, right?&quot

[NurseJackie]

90. It shows that she's a skilled politician who knows that compromise, change and ...

... finding common ground is not necessarily a bad thing. I wish more would be like her. Stubbornness and inflexibility for it's own sake is pure vanity. It's an emotional response from someone who can't admit to ever having been wrong and who's afraid of change. Candidates who think like that will never realize much success and will just be political footnotes. That's why voters (correctly) view them as ineffective "fringe" candidates.

[NurseJackie]

66. LOL! ;-P

Can't take yes for an answer. There's just no pleasing some people, is there?

[Duval]

105. You are factually correct.

Thanks, think. And it sounds like someone else we all know.

[Exilednight]

57. That's a two way street. Would you respect the decision of

every district that elects a Republican?

I will not. By your logic, you have to.

[NurseJackie]

61. Okay.

[CajunBlazer]

15. Please provide definitive proof that fracking is harmful to the environment

[immoderate]

32. That's funny!

--imm

[Arazi]

40. Holy shit! Really?!

[CajunBlazer]

44. Figures, you have no proof either

Got it

[happydaze]

59. Really, after all the info regarding fracking? And no clue?

Good gravy. Let's put it this way, just releasing methane alone is like 20 times worse for greenhouse gas emissions than carbon dioxide is. There's one that doesn't even tie into the horrific health effects of those living near fracking or the environmental degradation to the land or fresh water drinking sources being effected by the chemical pollutants they shoot into the ground at high pressure. No, fracking is grand.

[Exilednight]

78. Not to mention the havoc it plays on tectonic plates, the solution to

wildlife habitats and the resources needed to make the equipment that will eventually be abandoned once the well dries up.

[LexVegas]

6. It's comin' down to the wire.

[think]

7. Fracking is funny stuff isn't it.

[CajunBlazer]

146. It's hard to consider anything "funny"....

....when it is so pervasive. Serious stuff to be sure, but it will take more than pictures of water burning to convince folks that it seriously bad stuff.

[Exilednight]

10. She flipped on this issue.

How long until she flops back to her old position?

[think]

12. And the fracking would be in or near the Everglades. Tim Canova point blank said he opposed it.

Can't believe any Democrat would consider fracking around the Everglades is smart policy with the horrid track record for the industry...

[Demsrule86]

21. That is up to Scott and the state. nt

[think]

26. And DWS in the video says she would support fracking then flip flops after being called out on it.

[Exilednight]

55. No it is not. It is a national park, not a state park.

[Demsrule86]

108. Well you better vote Dem then and hope Hillary wins...

because FYI...the GOP rats have the House...maybe we can get the Senate.

[dflprincess]

42. I'd guess about 2 days. nt

[CajunBlazer]

16. 15. Please provide definitive proof that fracking is harmful to the environment

[think]

17. Are you serious?

Full version:

Fracking Can Contaminate Drinking Water

It took nearly a decade, but former EPA scientist Dominic DiGiulio has proved that fracking has polluted groundwater in Wyoming

By Gayathri Vaidyanathan, ClimateWire on April 4, 2016

Former EPA scientist Dominic DiGiulio never gave up.

Eight years ago, people in Pavillion, Wyo., living in the middle of a natural gas basin, complained of a bad taste and smell in their drinking water. U.S. EPA launched an inquiry, helmed by DiGiulio, and preliminary testing suggested that the groundwater contained toxic chemicals.

Then, in 2013, the agency suddenly transferred the investigation to state regulators without publishing a final report.
Now, DiGiulio has done it for them.

He published a comprehensive, peer-reviewed study last week in Environmental Science and Technology that suggests that people’s water wells in Pavillion were contaminated with fracking wastes that are typically stored in unlined pits dug into the ground.

Read more:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-can-contaminate-drinking-water/

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/03/does-fracking-cause-earthquakes-wastewater-dewatering

Study: Fracking chemicals in water raise fertility risks

Jim Waymer, FLORIDA TODAY 9:16 p.m. EDT August 25, 2016

New research released Thursday suggests chemicals used in fracking and other gas and oil operations increase risk of miscarriages, reduced male fertility, prostate cancer, birth defects and preterm birth by disrupting hormones.

The study by researchers at Duke, the University of Missouri and several other universities is the first to report that prenatal exposure to the chemical mix used in oil and gas development, including fracking, may lead to adverse reproductive and developmental issues in female mice.

And that could bode ill for those who live or work near oil and gas wells...

Read more:
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/environment/2016/08/25/fracking-chemicals-water-raise-fertility-risks/89263388/

Fracking & health: What we know from Pennsylvania's natural gas boom

By Sara G. Rasmussen, Brian S. Schwartz, Johns Hopkins University, and Joan A. Casey, University of California, San Francisco | Aug. 25, 2016 at 12:26 PM

The fracking industry has been an energy success story: Natural gas prices have decreased as fracking has skyrocketed, and natural gas now produces more electricity than coal does, which has resulted in improved air quality. The first states to begin unconventional natural gas development with fracking have cited potential economic, energy and community benefits.

~Snip~

Indeed, only recently have rigorous health studies on the impact of unconventional natural gas development been completed. We have published three studies, which evaluated birth outcomes, asthma exacerbations and symptoms, including nasal and sinus, fatigue and migraine headache symptoms. These, together with other studies, form a growing body of evidence that unconventional natural gas development is having detrimental effects on health. Not unexpectedly, the oil and gas industry has countered our findings with pointed criticism.

~snip~

Our findings and how confident we are in them

In the birth outcome study, we found increased odds of preterm birth and suggestive evidence for reduced birth weight among women with higher unconventional natural gas development activity (those closer to more and bigger unconventional wells), compared with women with lower unconventional natural gas development activity during pregnancy.

In the asthma study, we found increased odds among asthma patients of asthma hospitalizations, emergency department visits and a medication used for mild asthma attacks with higher unconventional natural gas development activity, compared to those with lower activity. Finally, in our study of symptoms, we found patients with higher unconventional natural gas development activity had higher odds of nasal and sinus, migraine headache and fatigue symptoms compared to those with lower activity. In each analysis, we controlled for other risk factors for the outcome, including smoking, obesity, and comorbid conditions.....

Read more:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Opinion/2016/08/25/Fracking-health-What-we-know-from-Pennsylvanias-natural-gas-boom/6681472141210/

Texas jury awards $3M to family for illnesses related to fracking

April 23, 2014 3:48PM ET
by Renee Lewis

Health problems started in 2009, after drilling began on first of 20 wells that eventually surrounded their ranch

A Texas jury has awarded nearly $3 million to a family for illnesses they suffered from exposure to contaminated groundwater, solid toxic waste and airborne chemicals generated by natural gas fracking operations surrounding their 40-acre ranch, attorneys on the case said.

The verdict, delivered Tuesday, is seen as a landmark decision for opponents of fracking, or hydraulic fracturing — a process in which high-pressure fluid is injected into the ground to fracture shale rock and release natural gas.

“We hope this verdict will prompt companies that engage in fracking operations to take responsibility for the health problems and property damage caused by their activities,” said David Matthews of Matthews & Associates, one of the law firms that represented the family, in an email statement to Al Jazeera....

Read more:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/23/texas-fracking-lawsuit.html

One could post ALL DAY LONG about the environmental impact of fracking....

[casperthegm]

18. I give you credit

You're still trying to talk in a logical, fact based way, to those here who support the establishment. It seems to me that if you're not a cheerleader for DWS and Hillary you are not wanted. An objective look at the harm caused by fracking or the flip flop (and likely flip back after the elections) by DWS? Good luck.

[think]

19. TY /nt

[Demsrule86]

22. Hillary is the Democratic nominee so yes we support her on Democratic underground. nt

[think]

25. The thread is about DWS and HER actions including this latest flip flop on fracking.

[Plucketeer]

82. C'mon...

Earplugs in - blinders on - feedbag full of PAC greens and you want OBJECTIVE???

[think]

85. One can always hope :)

[Demsrule86]

109. No other congressional candidate has been followed like DWS

and you know it.

[think]

110. No other candidate resigned from the DNC in disgrace, supported her GOP House friends over Democrats

and tried to cut a deal to change her position on medical marijuana.

But some will just ignore facts like those....

[NurseJackie]

121. That's not true. She resigned under pressure*, not "in disgrace". She was bullied.

[think]

122. She was bullied? Wow. Please do tell us how she was bullied.

[NurseJackie]

123. LOL

[think]

124. How about some facts instead? DWS used the DNC to coordinate against Canova.

Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

BY JERRY IANNELLI - MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2016 AT 1:21 P.M.

~snip~

Last month, New Times broke news that Canova's name turned up repeatedly in the DNC's email leak. WikiLeaks' email database showed that DNC staffers, who were not part of Wasserman Schultz's campaign team, routinely kept tabs on Canova's campaign, shared articles about him, and helped the congresswoman coordinate her fight against him.

~Snip~

In another email chain, DNC spokesperson Luis Miranda asked staffers to "do some digging" for information about a May rally at which Canova planned to speak in Alaska. The rally had been scheduled to compete with one of Wassserman Schultz's speeches.

"When is he [Canova] speaking compared to when she [Wasserman Schultz] is speaking?" DNC staffer Kate Houghton wrote May 12. "Adding a few more people. We need as much intel as you can provide."

If the FEC chooses to enforce Canova's complaint, the commission could levy fines against Wasserman Schultz.

~Snip~

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/tim-canova-files-formal-election-complaint-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-8667388

[NurseJackie]

125. LOL! I've seen this tactic used before.

[think]

126. Tactic? The emails clearly showed DWS using the DNC to collude against Canova. Are you denying what

the emails say or that they exist?

[NurseJackie]

128. LOL! A poor and unskilled craftsman blames his tools.

[think]

130. Are you incapable of responding to facts directly?

[NurseJackie]

131. I am responding directly.

[Demsrule86]

132. This has to do with the primary which is over by the way

and Pot will be on the ballot this year...legalization will come through the states first.

[JudyM]

23. +1 why continue to bother pointing out truth, logic, reason, ethics...

[riderinthestorm]

36. +1 nt

[GulfCoast66]

43. If you are not a cheerleader for Hillary

You are definitely not wanted. It is in the TOS. Care to edit your post?

I do not alert on post like this, but some do. And rightfully so.

[casperthegm]

60. Edit the post?

Give me a break. The op is bringing about actual discussion on issues that matter, or should matter. What the heck is wrong with some back and forth discussion on an important environmental issue? If a candidate flip flops their position, even if they are a Democrat, you really think it's a good idea to just soldier on like good little worker drones and cheer on the queen bee regardless? What happened to critical thinking, looking at facts, and discussing the candidates in an objective manner, even if the truth isn't always as pretty as we'd like it? Geez.

[Loki]

69. Flip Flopping

Where have I heard that before? Most people have evolved on their understanding of the harm that fracking has done and will continue to do. I believe that until I really educated myself on that, I wouldn't have paid that much attention to it. It was creating jobs and was helping relieve our dependency on foreign oil and created a new outlet for gas production. I've since changed my mind (flip flopped in your terms) to believe that it is horrible and damaging to people's lives and our environment. In your world, I'm just a flip flopper, so be it. I've learned to evolve on many ideas and subjects, but your purity test is one that I know I would flunk.

[Exilednight]

91. There's a few factual errors in your statement.

First, it has not reduced our dependency on foreign oil. There are several grades if oil, and what we mostly import is sweet crude, the highest grade.

Seond, the number of jobs in the oil industry has greatly declined, mostly due to overproduction by the Saudis.

Third, We don't know the full extent to what damage is being done to the environment.

You need educate yourself a bit more.

[Loki]

97. I did.

You apparently can't read my posts either. Post #69

[CajunBlazer]

47. Let's dealing with fact s-both positive and negative

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/g161/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593/

[Ford_Prefect]

54. You left out the damage done in North Dakota, largely ignored by MSM in its haste to hype the rush.

My nephew worked up there until the price crashed. The state cannot clean-up the toxic spills or replace the destroyed aquifers. The methane plume over the Bakken area is at times almost dense enough to be seen from space without satellite enhancement.

The Earthquakes in Kansas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are unlikely to end in the foreseeable future. We had several here in North Carolina since they began in Pennsylvania. In some areas the quakes happen almost daily and at a rate and strength that was rare a half century ago. Breaking the shale is half the cause. Injecting the spent toxic/water mix into the old well heads to dispose of it makes it much worse.

One feature often obscured is that, unlike traditional oil wells of Texas or Oklahoma, fracking wells have a relatively short production life and must be restarted a number of times to turn a profit. This multiplies the impact on the environment and can sharply reduce the real production value as we have seen in North Dakota, Ohio and Pennsylvania. A notable side effect in North Dakota is that down-turns in pricing have closed many if not most drilling companies and sites, sharply curtailed production and left many without work, enormous debt among drilling producers and local business, and failed drilling outfits, along with a toxic landscape the state has no tax money to deal with.

Yes, currently we do need fuel and oil to run the infrastructure and make products and fill our ever-increasing fuel tanks. For over 50 years we have been warned that there was a price to pay for continuing to avoid moderating that need. Recent investigations have shown that the oil and gas industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to make sure we voters and those in Congress did not find out just how much damage it was doing to the planet and the very thin layer of atmosphere we humans require to live on it.

The physics of the situation are pretty damning without getting into the outright fraud and other illegal activities undertaken to hide the damage.

[CajunBlazer]

87. And whose word we have on these events?

And whose word we have on these events? Let's deal with facts not hearsay

[womanofthehills]

94. Hearsay??? Fracking equals radioactive waste - in North Dakota's water

Little oversight in North Dakota - here in NM, our governor Suzanne Martinez dropped many fracking regulations. Some oil companies in North Dakota were putting fracking water down sewer drains and in farmer's fields. Where does much of our wheat come from - North Dakota - so now besides having glyphosate on it , it's probably also radioactive.

Radioactive Waste Dumped by Oil Companies Is Seeping out of the Ground in North Dakota
There have been 300 oil spillages in the state since 2011, and now that toxic waste is coming back up.

After oil companies and state executives in North Dakota hid the news from the public that nearly 300 oil spills occured between 2011 and 2013, radioactive toxic sludge is brimming back up to the surface, bubbling forth from the ground and mixing with fresh water across the state.

Skekos explained that TENORM is produced when NORM (normally occuring radioactive material) is brought to the surface through fracking. Legally, TENORM must be disposed of in properly designated areas because of the health hazard it poses to humans, but in order to avoid the costs of properly dumping the material (the nearest TENORM waste site is in Colorado), oil companies in North Dakota are spewing the toxic waste wherever is most convenient from them.

Those on the ground say that the industry is running wild with little oversight from regulators, and residents are mostly left in the dark about any spillages or illegal dumpings that occur.

http://www.alternet.org/radioactive-waste-dumped-oil-companies-seeping-out-ground-north-dakota

[CajunBlazer]

99. Yes hearsay or rather opinion based articles not facts

[Ford_Prefect]

159. M5.6 - 14km NW of Pawnee, Oklahoma

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1564741

That enough facts for you?

[CajunBlazer]

160. No, your link has no relevance to the situation.

Are you sure your included the right link?

[Ford_Prefect]

161. Sorry wrong link. It should have been to the thread that had the title. Thread link is below

Thread title: M5.6 - 14km NW of Pawnee, Oklahoma

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141564697

The thread refers to the recent Earthquake in Oklahoma. In that discussion are a number of posts referencing charts and information about conditions related to that quake and a series of quakes in the Oklahoma area, as well as how fracking locations, waste water disposal and other features are related to this quake and other recent similar events.

[CajunBlazer]

162. Actually that quake was not caused by fracking

It was caused by the disposal of waste water from drilling deep underground:

The United States Geological Survey said a 5.6 magnitude earthquake happened at 7:02 a.m. Saturday in north-central Oklahoma, on the fringe of an area where regulators had stepped in to limit wastewater disposal. That temblor matches a November 2011 quake in the same region.

An increase in magnitude 3.0 or greater earthquakes in Oklahoma has been linked to underground disposal of wastewater from oil and natural gas production.

The Oklahoma Corporation Commission, which since 2013 has asked wastewater-well owners to reduce disposal volumes in parts of the state, is requiring 37 wells in a 514 square-mile area around the epicenter of the earthquake to shut down within seven to 10 days because of previous connections between the injection of wastewater and earthquakes.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/earthquake-shakes-swath-midwest-missouri-oklahoma-41842405

You are long on passion and short on facts like most on the far left.

[Ford_Prefect]

163. That waste-water is a product of FRACKING processes and was injected into old fracking well sites

which is a system of disposal that has been SOP in the industry for some long time now.

Read up on the use of water and chemicals in the process of Fracking and you will then actually be able to speak about it. One of the principle complaints against the system is the amount of water used and toxic nature of the waste-water produced as a side-effect of the method. The injection of it into older fracking wells that are no longer productive is a controversial disposal method since there is no proof the highly toxic mix cannot migrate into nearby aquifers.

Evidently you live in a fact free world as well as one in which gravity has no consequences.

[CajunBlazer]

164. So you agree that the quakes were not caused by fracking - thanks

So now that drillers are prohibited from reinserting that water into old wells, the quake problem Oklahoma will dissipate assuming that is what caused the quakes in the first place, which is by no means certain. This reinsertion method of disposing of waste is being used other areas of the country without causing the quake problems and there is no evidence that inserted waste water is polluting aquifer which are much closer to the surface and separated by thousands of feet of solid rock.

Now the drillers in Oklahoma will have to figure out how handle that waste water without reinserting it into old wells. There are solutions to that issue:

http://www.waterworld.com/articles/wwi/print/volume-28/issue-5/regional-spotlight-us-caribbean/fracking-wastewater-management.html

Fracking is not going away. There to much money involved and it is too important to our national and environmental well being. Natural gas is now so cheap that power plants are converting to it and the coal companies are going out of business. (I don't need to tell you that burning natural gas is far superior to burning coal in cutting green house gases and pollution.) Our country is becoming self sufficient in oil so we becoming less and less dependent on middle east sources, lessening our need to get involved militarily in that region. Europe will become less dependent on Russian sources, effecting the Russian economy and allowing us to work more easily with our European allies to check Russian expansion ambitions without military action.

Since fracking is not going away, we concentrate our efforts on regulating the process to insure that it doesn't cause environmental damage rather than wasting our time beating our heads into a solid brick wall.

[Ford_Prefect]

165. Thanks To Fracking, Earthquake Hazards In Parts Of Oklahoma Now Comparable To California.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016166897

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/09/07/the-connection-between-earthquakes-and-fracking/#5d702e067f65

As far as I can tell you do not understand the literature yet, so here is one more example.

According to experts it is not possible to use fracking techniques without generating intolerable amounts of Methane and highly toxic, even radio-active waste water. In addition it is impossible to avoid polluting key ground water sources during both the initial drilling and fracking phases and the disposal post-use of the toxic residue generated in the process.

One very important side effect is the local and regional increase in earthquake activity as a result of the repeated fracturing of the oil and gas bearing strata. This condition has been amplified by the injection of fracking waste water into older wells creating subsurface pressure and adding fluid material which assists in the process of lateral displacement by acting like a fluid bearing.

[Exilednight]

73. Facts by who?

I read the article and it's full of holes and issues that go unaddressed.

The people they quote in support are asshole Pickens, and mostly Republicans.

[CajunBlazer]

100. So I take it you didn't like what you read

So it had to be written by Republican

[think]

102. FRACKING WELLS TAINTING DRINKING WATER IN TEXAS AND PENNSYLVANIA, STUDY FINDS

FRACKING WELLS TAINTING DRINKING WATER IN TEXAS AND PENNSYLVANIA, STUDY FINDS

BY ZOË SCHLANGER ON 9/15/14 AT 3:57 PM



In 2012, Steve Lipsky began appearing in photos and videos with a lighter in hand, igniting the water that flowed out of his family’s tap. So much methane had built up in the well that supplied his Parker County, Texas home, that the water bubbled like champagne, and, it appeared, could be lit on fire. He and his wife Shyla sued oil and gas company Range Resources for $6.5 million, alleging that the company’s nearby hydraulic fracturing well had caused the contamination.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency got involved, issuing an emergency order against Range Resources, but then reversed course and dropped the action after the company protested. Range Resources maintained that the methane came from natural seeps far below the bedrock, and couldn’t be connected to their well. By then, the Lipsky’s had lost their case in court and Range Resources had launched a defamation suit against the couple to the tune of $4.2 million, in a case that is ongoing. Earlier this year the Railroad Commission of Texas, which is responsible for oil and gas drilling regulation in the state, determined that evidence was “insufficient” to place blame on the nearby drilling site. “Further investigation is not planned at this time,” the report concluded.

Now, a paper published Monday found a novel way to distinguish between naturally occurring methane and the gas that could leak from a fracking well, and the researchers say it shows that the Range Resources wells are to blame in the case of the Lipsky’s and their neighbors’ water, as well as in drinking wells at eight sites in Pennsylvania. ...

Read more:
http://www.newsweek.com/fracking-wells-tainting-drinking-water-texas-and-pennsylvania-study-finds-270735

[CajunBlazer]

106. Now for some facts

From the article:

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency got involved, issuing an emergency order against Range Resources, but then reversed course and dropped the action after the company protested. Range Resources maintained that the methane came from natural seeps far below the bedrock, and couldn’t be connected to their well. By then, the Lipsky’s had lost their case in court and Range Resources had launched a defamation suit against the couple to the tune of $4.2 million, in a case that is ongoing. Earlier this year the Railroad Commission of Texas, which is responsible for oil and gas drilling regulation in the state, determined that evidence was “insufficient” to place blame on the nearby drilling site. “Further investigation is not planned at this time,” the report concluded.

Assuming that researchers have accurately developed a method of determining when methane seepage comes from fracking rather than natural seepage, they have found just eight locations in Pennsylvania and one in Texas that seem to indicate that fracking caused natural gas seepage into drinking water. Meanwhile there about 420,000 gas wells drilled last year. Everyone's water should be burning. Seems to me that when the problem occurs, people should be compensated. We don't ban cars because some people get into accidents, we deal with those situations legally.

Meanwhile most burning water is caused by natural gas seepage, not fracking. Petroleum products and natural gas have been seeping to the surface of the earth for eons. The first oil well in this country, in Pennsylvania, was drilled at the site of a natural petroleum seepage. Edwin Drake drilled the first commercial well and stuck oil at debth of 69.5 feet. Pennsylvania is famous for natural natural gas and petroleum seepages.

If you want to read about that for petroleum and natural gas seepage, check this link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep

[Ford_Prefect]

138. Would that be called "petrosplaining"?

[CajunBlazer]

139. No, that would be a search for facts about fracking

I frankly don't have a set opinion yet concerning the whether fracking can be done safely or not. Obviously, there has been issues with individual wells, but it isn't clear to me if these problems are systemic in nature or they are the result of bad practices by the drillers in specific situations. I am also not yet ready to form an opinion as to whether the advantages of fracking are worth the risk.

What I am not going to do is form my opinions based on what individuals with no personal scientific knowledge of the situation write on an internet political forum.

[Exilednight]

104. From the article you linked:

"NATURAL GAS IS CLEANER, CHEAPER, DOMESTIC, AND IT'S VIABLE NOW."

OILMAN TURNED NATURAL-GAS CHEERLEADER T. BOONE PICKENS, SEPTEMBER 2009

"[THERE'S] NEVER BEEN ONE CASE—DOCUMENTED CASE—OF GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HYDRAULIC FRACTURING [WELLS]"

SEN. JAMES INHOFE, R-OKLA., APRIL 2011

[CajunBlazer]

107. So?

[womanofthehills]

167. Analysis of California's Fracking Wastewater Reveals a Slew of Toxic Chemicals Linked to Cancer and

other illnesses. (Radioactive radium in Fracking Wastewater - thousands of times more than goals set by the state)

California is currently the only state that requires chemical testing of fracking wastewater and public disclosure of the findings. That's good. What's not so good is what the testing and disclosure reveal.

The Environmental Working Group (EWG) has completed an analysis of data released by the state during the first year of new reporting requirements. It found that the high levels of the carcinogen benzene in California's fracking wastewater isn't the only thing Californians have to worry about from the state's extensive oil and gas fracking operations and the injection of chemical-laced wastewater back into the ground once drilling is completed.

The study, Toxic Stew: What's in Fracking Wasterwater, revealed the presence of hundreds of chemicals, including many linked to cancer, nervous system damage and reproductive disorders. Among the chemicals found in up to 50 percent of the samples were chromium-6, lead and arsenic, all linked to cancer and/or reproductive damage. The samples also contained thousands of times more radioactive radium than the goals set by the state, along with high levels of nitrate and chloride ions. And an another analysis last month by the Center for Biological Diversity found that 98 percent of the fracking wastewater samples tested exceeded federal and state water safety levels for benzene.

“Cancer-causing chemicals are surfacing in fracking flowback fluid just as we learn that the California oil industry is disposing of wastewater in hundreds of illegal disposal wells and open pits,” said Center for Biological Diversity lawyer Hollin Kretzmann, who conducted that group's analysis. “Governor Brown needs to shut down all the illegal wells immediately and ban fracking to fight this devastating threat to California’s water supply.”
http://www.ecowatch.com/analysis-of-californias-fracking-wastewater-reveals-a-slew-of-toxic-ch-1882020160.html

[NCTraveler]

27. Excellent. No fracking in Florida. I'm with her on that. Nt

[think]

28. Yes. After being called out she changes her position. Good grief /nt

[NCTraveler]

29. You didn't highlight her position change.

Seems she wants regulation at the federal level and for the Florida legislature to ban it in the state of Florida.

Like DWS, I want to see the state ban it. For symbolism if nothing else.

[think]

30. It's in the article below the video. In the video she says she's open to fracking in Florida

Tim Canova states unequivocally he's for a fracking ban in Florida in the video.

[immoderate]

33. Her campaign website says nothing about fracking.

You really believe her?

--imm

[Exilednight]

75. Absolutely not.

[Attorney in Texas]

34. DWS makes me question whether I belong in the Democratic Party - she does not share my values at all

[CajunBlazer]

45. If you not voting for Hillary, you don't!

[NurseJackie]

51. I believe that covers pretty much everything. Thank you.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Fracking is okay, but granny needs to go to prison for medical marijuana.

I admit I don't quite understand the logic.

[KMOD]

48. Granny?

Geez Warren!

[Warren DeMontague]

50. now I don't actually know if Bridgit Kirouac, for instance, is a granny.

However, I do know that after being followed home from a hydroponics store by police, she was arrested and now faces 10 years in Florida Prison for growing her own Medical Marijuana, which she was legal for in Maine.

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/stuart-woman-faces-10-years-in-prison-in-medical-marijuana-case

"People like Bridgit Kirouac who are 50-years-old are the majority of my clients around this state," Minardi says. "We're not talking about kids, we're not talking about drug dealers, we're talking about people who are legitimately using cannabis for medical reasons."

***
"The reason that I was growing my own medicine was because I didn't know anybody here," she says. "I live my whole life doing everything that I can to avoid any more pain than I already have."

Given that Florida cops apparently have nothing better to do with public tax dollars than tail 50 year old women who are not disturbing the peace, with no criminal record or other reason to raise suspicion, home from a store that sells gardening supplies, so they can enforce the draconian marijuana laws -that Debbie Wasserman Schultz repeatedly defends- on people who are sick and suffering, I think it's safe to say there are probably a few grannies in there somewhere as well.


Probably more than a few, of course Florida is the state that sent a wheelchair bound man to prison for 25 years for managing his own spinal pain. Yay drug war!

[Rex]

93. Well you are trying to use logic.

That went out the window long ago.

[KMOD]

49. So I take it Tim is pro oil? Or pro coal?

I'm not a big fracking fan, but I do realize we have to get our energy from somewhere.

Oil, Coal, Natural Gas or Nuclear. Pick you poison.

[Exilednight]

58. Solar and wind.

China is producing enough solar to power nearly half the U.S..

[misterhighwasted]

79. Tim doesn't want to talk about his preferred poison.

Only his kumbaya-isms.
Now back to DWS!

[think]

81. Are you pro fracking rather than supporting renewable energy?

[stonecutter357]

52. Debbie Wasserman Schultz Pissing OFF All The RIGHT People..

[NurseJackie]

67. Well... that's an interesting (and amusing) way to look at it! :-D

[Loki]

70. NurseJackie

I'm sorry that I have to remind you again that there will be no reasoned debate here. You are only allowed one flip flop per lifetime. Got it? OK. Please proceed.

PS: Since my first pair was made in Japan and I haven't seen them for years, I'm obviously out of flip flops.

[misterhighwasted]

76. LOL..you lost your one-per-lifetime flip flop!

So sorry NJackie!
I can loan you mine if it should come to that.

[NurseJackie]

96. Thanks!

I'll let you know!

[immoderate]

98. NOT Republicans!

--imm

[Rex]

95. Good hold her feet to the fire, that is what we are supposed to do!

Fracking is horrible for the local water table, but everyone already knows how bad fracking is for the environment. Glad she changed her mind.

[Thinkingabout]

101. Would you rather fracking was not regulated? It would allow anything goes if there is not

some regulation, doesn't seem like this is a good position.

[think]

103. No. It should be BANNED in Florida. And NOW DWS agrees.....

[B Calm]

112. Has she changed her mind on medical marijuana too?

[think]

115. Good question /nt

[NCTraveler]

113. It's great that we are going to put an anti-fracker through for another term.

Keep fracking out of Florida. Keep it up DWS. Work for additional federal regulation if you don't have the votes to ban it.

[think]

114. Good grief /nt

[NCTraveler]

116. That's the name of a friend of mines beautiful sailboat.

[think]

117. Sailing would be pleasant way to spend a day...

[NCTraveler]

119. No doubt about it. Love getting out with him.

Like DWS, we are both against fracking in Florida.



Good people.

[stonecutter357]

127. he lost get over it..

[CajunBlazer]

141. ^^^^ This

Looks like Sanders' support didn't help much - what does that say about the REVOLUTION?

[pnwmom]

133. She won. Quit fighting the primary. Her opponent now is the Rethug, not Canova. n/t

[think]

136. This was posted 2 days ago...

[CajunBlazer]

140. So the Democrats in Florida agree with Schultz, not you

Looks like you lost the argument.

[think]

142. The FEC will have the final decision. All DWS can get is a fine for abusing her DNC position

At the very least that seems appropriate based on the evidence.

The emails make it very clear she was using the DNC for her campaign against Canova.

Sometimes ethics, rules, and the violation of rules is worth discussing.

[CajunBlazer]

143. Nice try, but you need to stay on subject

Let's try thisagain: Looks like the Florida Democrats disagree with you and you far left candidate on fracking

[think]

144. Ya. She changed her mind THE NEXT DAY on a fracking ban. OOPs....

[CajunBlazer]

145. So that's why she won - no one was concerned that she was flip-flopping?

Sounds like fracking was not a big factor one way or the other in the minds of Florida voters or your far left candidate would have won. But he not only lost - he got his ass kicked, good and hard. Maybe the REVOLUTION is not ready for prime time.

[think]

147. Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned for what she did at the DNC. And you supporters of FAR RIGHT

Democrats like HER ignore her violating the parties own rules.

You ignore her taking money from pay day lenders and then cosponsoring the legislation the pay day lenders want.

You ignore her refusing to support other Democrats running for the House in her area due to her friendship with REPUBLICANS. How far right does a Democrat have to be to support REPUBLICANS over other Democrats?

But hey. Your FAR RIGHT candidate won after abusing her office at the DNC. Congratulations....

[CajunBlazer]

148. I am not a voter in her district - so it makes no difference what I ignore or don't ignore

And I strongly suspect you are not a voter in her district either - so you are getting yourself all worked up and spending your valuable time on a situation when you don't have a dog in that fight.

Plus now that Debbie Wassermann Schultz is the Democratic nominee, you are putting yourself in a dangerous position on DU by continuing to try tear down a democratic candidate. Fair warning.

[think]

149. I live near where the fracking in Florida would occur. Near the Everglades. I hope she sticks to

her new statement saying it should be banned like Tim Canova did WITHOUT changing his mind. But after that whopper flip flop I'm concerned.

And look at you calling Tim Canova the FAR LEFT with out a rhyme or reason TWICE in 2 different posts.

And you are the one who came into this thread to stir it up 4 days AFTER it was posted and after no one else had been posting for a day or so. This thread was started before the election and yet here you are talking smack.

You knew exactly what you were doing when you decided to talk smack in this dormant thread.

Now your making threats of hides rather than dealing with the actual facts. Good grief. /nt

[CajunBlazer]

150. But you don't live in her distict, do you?

So like me, you have no say in whether she gets elected.

In addition, neither Schultz or her Republican opponent will have an opportunity to determine whether fracking will be allowed in the vicinity of the Everglades. Since a national anti-fracking legislation has virtually no chance of passing in Washington, it will be the state legislature that will make that determination if they chose to take up the subject, not the US Congress.

By the way, I made no threats - I have no intention of alerting on you - if I did I wouldn't have given you a warning. However, you and I are not the only ones who read these posts.

[think]

151. You don't even live in the state, Yet you have the audacity to call Tim Canova far left.

And then you claim you can ignore what DWS has done since you don't live here.

Which is it?

Hypocrisy is what it is.....

[CajunBlazer]

152. Hell, I could live in France and still have the same impact on her election....

... as you can - none.

Schultz will be reelected despite all of your posting on DU that virtually no one but you cares about.

Get over it.

[think]

153. Did you approve of the actions of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as head of the DNC?

[CajunBlazer]

154. Some I do, some I don't - why do you care?

You seem to be carrying a grudge - but as President Obama recently pointed out - those on the far left are often unhappy and the root cause of their unhappiness their belief that they are ideologically pure. Because they believe they are ideologically pure, they have an inability to compromise. Since compromise is the grease which keeps political machinery moving, they seldom win. And because they seldom win, they are seldom happy and resort to conspiracy theories to explain their inability to win.

In all of those respects they are much like their counterparts on the far right and political socialist point out many other similarities between the two groups as well. Ever hear of the Horseshoe Theory?

[think]

155. Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

BY JERRY IANNELLI - MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2016 AT 1:21 P.M.

When WikiLeaks published a trove of hacked Democratic National Committee emails in July, website founder Julian Assange promised the world he'd upend the 2016 presidential election. That hasn't quite happened, but Assange did get to at least claim one politician as a trophy: The document dump forced Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz to resign her post as chair of the Democratic National Committee.

~Snip~

In one instance, Wasserman Schultz personally asked campaign staff to remove Canova's name from the headline in an outgoing news release.

In another email chain, DNC spokesperson Luis Miranda asked staffers to "do some digging" for information about a May rally at which Canova planned to speak in Alaska. The rally had been scheduled to compete with one of Wassserman Schultz's speeches.

"When is he [Canova] speaking compared to when she [Wasserman Schultz] is speaking?" DNC staffer Kate Houghton wrote May 12. "Adding a few more people. We need as much intel as you can provide."..

Read more:
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/tim-canova-files-formal-election-complaint-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-8667388

Hello?...

[CajunBlazer]

156. Well, if you can't beat her in the voting booths....

Sounds like he holds a grudge as well. Another far left loser.

[think]

157. You still can't answer a simple question. Do you approve of this conduct by Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Is that too hard for you to do?

[CajunBlazer]

158. Some I do, some I don't - you never specified

Do I like the way she exhibits grit and determination - yes, I do

Do I like the way she exhibits organizational skills - yes I do

Do I like the way she ran the DNC efficiently for several years - yes I do

Do I like the way she supports fracking - undetermined

Do I like the way she she supposedly supports payday loan operations - not so much, but I have only your word on on her conduct in that area and you don't seem to be impartial.

Do I like the way she supposedly put her finger on the scales to the detriment of Bernie Sanders - I have only the opinion of a bunch of people who also believe in conspiracy theories to go on.

All and all if I were in her district, I would vote for her in the general election and against and against her Republican opponent. The real question is, would you vote for her in the general election if you were able? Fair's fair! I answered your question, now answer mine. "Is that so hard to do?"

[George II]

135. How did the primary turn out? She won by a resounding 13.6%.

[NurseJackie]

137. That's very impressive. I'm confident of her victory in November.

She will be a well-seasoned ally to have on Hillary's side.

[MineralMan]

166. Carnival lost the primary, though.